college and liberalism

[phixion]

<p>i was thinking today about how many of my professors have all been liberal and why that is? i dont want to be condescending and say that 'their smarter so obviously their liberal.' i mean every american history professor has mentioned how they truly believe FDR is up one of our 3 greatest presidents and hes the grand daddy of liberalism. i have never heard a professor say anything bad about roosevelt except as far as it came to jewish refugees and the expansion of the Supreme Court. but thats it and over the course of three terms, that is paltry shit. now these same professors bash bush endlessly. they ask how could a third world country under UN sanctions ever build a WMD, they ask if we just wanted saddam out of power because its the moral thing to then there are many dictators that worse human rights records then bush. but when they talk about clinton they complain about his giving welfare control back to the states. </p><p>has it always been like this, im 22 and a first generation American so its not like i can ask any older family members about this, so ill ask the older board members.&nbsp;what did your professors say about nixon outside of watergate, what&nbsp;did they say about reagan? i know educators have usually been liberal but lately its been far more fervent with their passion. and im wondering about how this will effect my generation...&nbsp;</p>

[A.J.]

<p>I can really simplify this and say that&nbsp;true conservatives are all about making money and would therefore&nbsp;pass on a low-paying job like being a teacher.</p><p>It's probably been like this since the postwar era when more people started going to college than ever before with the GI Bill.&nbsp; The influx of different backgrounds and ideas may have had some impact.</p><p>Of course it depends on the school itself.&nbsp; For example,&nbsp;religious universities tend to be more conservative.&nbsp; However, I went to The Catholic University of America and was surprised to find it very moderate to almost liberal in its curriculum and faculty...with the exception of gays and abortion of course.</p>

[EliSnow]

<strong>phixion</strong> wrote:<br /><p>but lately its been far more fervent with their passion. and im wondering about how this will effect my generation...&nbsp;</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">I wouldn't think that &quot;lately&quot; it has been any different than in the past.&nbsp;&nbsp;Universities and their professors were the hotbed of passionate dissent against the establishment during the '60s.&nbsp; And when I went to school, a lot of my professors were definitely liberal, but then again, I went to a liberal college in the Northeast known for its liberalism, even though certain republican presidents attended it.&nbsp; I think if you went to a college in the south, you would see a different trend (of course that's speculation on my part).</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3">Here's the thing about my professors though -- they didn't expect you to feel the same way, and if you were willing to make intelligent thought out arguments as to why you thought they were wrong, they would hear them out.&nbsp; Your grade wasn't dependent upon you echoing their beliefs.&nbsp; It was based on your ability to read the materials, and&nbsp;analyze the facts in an intelligent way.</font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by EliSnow on 6-30-06 @ 11:17 AM</span>

[phixion]

<p>oh and for the record right now i taking classes at CUNY Queensborough but it was the same at SUNY Stony Brook where i went for awhile. and my professors have been great they ll listen to anything, one of them actually had to defend a person in my class who didnt believe in evolution, saying they have the right to believe anything they want yada yada pc crap yada yada</p><p>but in the 50's i couldnt see them attacking eisenhower, i couldnt imagine them saying reagan is too senile for the job. and as far as the schools down south goes, im not sure if you count florida as south but my sis is in law school down there and its&nbsp;basically the same thing. &nbsp;</p><p>a professor once told me, i love america, i love the constitution, and i truly believe that this country has done far more good in this world then bad. but that isn't to say we are saints. we have done some really fucked up things in this world, and in my(his) opinion that bush has never learned that. he believes america is right and valid in everything it does now and has ever done. you know how to catholics the pope is infallible, well bush wants the world to believe that america is infallible. and just like papal infallibilty eventually led to protestantism this idea of american infallibiltiy has only led to america making more enemies. &nbsp;</p><p>i agree with that statement but i cant imagine anyone saying that about reagan.</p>

[EliSnow]

<strong>phixion</strong> wrote: <p>i agree with that statement but i cant imagine anyone saying that about reagan.</p><p><font size="3">Why not?&nbsp; I think Bush's patriotism stems from the movement by Reagan to make patriotism big again.&nbsp; I could see some people saying that Reagan had the exact same viewpoint.&nbsp; The only difference is the circumstances surrounding their presidencies, and the fact that Reagan knew much better than Bush how to communicate to people.&nbsp; M</font><font size="3">y wife and mother-in-law are conservative and even they can't believe how Bush sounds when he's talking to the nation, answering questions, etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;To the extent that they disagree with his viewpoints, it's because he doesn't sell them as well as Reagan sold his.&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>&nbsp;</p>

[phixion]

no see my prof was basically saying bush is so stupid that he doesnt see that america was wrong in putting a catholic in charge of buddhist country in Vietnam, how we were wrong in siding with theChiquita banana company instead of the country the company was raping, or that the war on drugs&nbsp;is a losing one&nbsp;especially outside the US&nbsp;in which&nbsp;the 'war' has&nbsp;basically only affected poor farmers.&nbsp; bush is as naive as a child

[narc]

I went to a school with a reputation as one of the most liberal in the entire country. I actually kind of enjoyed it as a challenge, because there were so many people there who had never met anyone conservative, and were shocked they weren't baby eating monsters. But then there were also people who'd just as soon throw blood on you as look at you. <br><p>
I took a bunch of classes in the classics department there and, surprise surprise, one of my professors I definitely suspect was conservative. I also took an English class from a professor who was a devoted socialist and is on that list of 100 most dangerous professors or whatever. I actually didn't hate his class as much as I thought, but he did politicize everything, whereas I just wanted to talk about the pretty poems. But I did learn a lot. And in the end, I think that's really all that matters. If they can teach, I don't care what they believe. If they just use the class solely for propaganda, liberal or conservative, then I have no time for the guy.

[blakjeezis]

I had a Poli-Sci professor who said that Castro was the greatest leader of the 20th century, and a Cuban friend in the class who I had to restrain from throwing a desk at him.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by blakjeezis on 6-30-06 @ 6:28 PM</span>

[suggums]

<p>sounds like you might've just read</p><p><img width="365" height="365" border="0" src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0895260034.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1141081095_.jpg" />&nbsp;</p><p>or if not, you'd probably like it&nbsp;</p>

[jagsfans]

<strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>phixion</strong> wrote: <p>i agree with that statement but i cant imagine anyone saying that about reagan.</p><p><font size="3">Why not?&nbsp; I think Bush's patriotism stems from the movement by Reagan to make patriotism big again.&nbsp; I could see some people saying that Reagan had the exact same viewpoint.&nbsp; The only difference is the circumstances surrounding their presidencies, and the fact that Reagan knew much better than Bush how to communicate to people.&nbsp; M</font><font size="3">y wife and mother-in-law are conservative and even they can't believe how Bush sounds when he's talking to the nation, answering questions, etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;To the extent that they disagree with his viewpoints, it's because he doesn't sell them as well as Reagan sold his.&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>&nbsp;</p><p>The Biggest Difference between Reagan and Bush is Reaganhad an honest belief in smaller government.&nbsp; He's the closest&nbsp;we will ever see to a Libertarian in the White House and if he had a cooperative Senate and House his&nbsp;agenda would really.have helped this country.&nbsp; Daddy Bush &amp; Bush&nbsp; Dubya&nbsp;have done nothing but squander&nbsp;years&nbsp;to destroy what Reagan tried to accomplish.&nbsp; Dubya in theory could've really advanced a conservative agenda, if he were a real conservative.&nbsp; Damn&nbsp;big spending phony.&nbsp;</p><p>Sorry my post took this wa of topic, but I think Liberalism will always exist on campuses more because as was stated, less money means conservatives will avoid like Kryptonite.</p>