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Tenbatsuzen

07-01-2006, 07:18 AM

WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Wow, classic Jersey politics at its best or worse if youre form the garden state <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget</a>   <img width="180" height="187" border="0" src="http://www2.bc.edu/~steenje/sf/forrester.jpg" /> "You reap what you sow, asses."

reeshy

07-01-2006, 07:23 AM

Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChimneyFish

07-01-2006, 10:00 AM

Doug Forrester wouldn't have shut the government down, would he????      Of course, I didn't right click on the pic in Mr. Fridays post until after I had posted.What a maroon.

This message was edited by ChimneyFish on 7-1-06 @ 2:02 PM

HBox

07-01-2006, 10:07 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Wow, classic Jersey politics at its best or worse if youre form the garden state <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget</a> <img width="180" height="187" border="0" src="http://www2.bc.edu/%7Esteenje/sf/forrester.jpg" /> "You reap what you sow, asses."   That guy was an incompetent buffoon. He'd either be doing the same thing or conitnue driving this state's finances off a cliff.

mendyweiss

07-01-2006, 10:08 AM

Bring back the FAG!

Bulldogcakes

07-01-2006, 10:24 AM

<img width="200" height="200" border="0" src="http://www.cookrepublicans.com/content/img/f23764/SZ200_John%20Corzine.jpg" />"Look folks, I have some good news ands some bad news. The bad news is we're shutting down the government. The good news is . . . . . I"M A GAY AMERICAN! (wtf it worked for that crook McGreevy)"

mdr55

07-01-2006, 06:20 PM

WTF???? I can't play lotto now. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" />

FezPaul

07-01-2006, 07:50 PM

HBox wrote:  Tenbatsuzen wrote:  WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Wow, classic Jersey politics at its best or worse if youre form the garden state <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget</a>   <img height="187" src="http://www2.bc.edu/%7Esteenje/sf/forrester.jpg" width="180" border="0" /> "You reap what you sow, asses."    That guy was an incompetent buffoon. He'd either be doing the same thing or conitnue driving this state's finances off a cliff. Doug Forrester wants to drive your finances off a cliff in a Conga Line of corruption.

Tenbatsuzen

07-01-2006, 09:07 PM

FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Wow, classic Jersey politics at its best or worse if youre form the garden state <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget</a> <img width="180" height="187" border="0" src="http://www2.bc.edu/%7Esteenje/sf/forrester.jpg" /> "You reap what you sow, asses." That guy was an incompetent buffoon. He'd either be doing the same thing or conitnue driving this state's finances off a cliff. Doug Forrester wants to drive your finances off a cliff in a Conga Line of corruption.   Oh, BEAUTIFUL callback.  Bravo.

HBox

07-01-2006, 09:23 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Wow, classic Jersey politics at its best or worse if youre form the garden state <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget</a> <img width="180" height="187" border="0" src="http://www2.bc.edu/%7Esteenje/sf/forrester.jpg" /> "You reap what you sow, asses." That guy was an incompetent buffoon. He'd either be doing the same thing or conitnue driving this state's finances off a cliff. Doug Forrester wants to drive your finances off a cliff in a Conga Line of corruption. Oh, BEAUTIFUL callback. Bravo.   But you forgot Dem Bosses.

King Imp

07-02-2006, 10:30 PM

For those of you who helped put Corzine in office, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/02/nj.budget.ap/index.html" target="_self">I hope you're happy now</a>.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/annoyed.gif" border="0" />

Sheeplovr

07-03-2006, 01:53 AM

For those of you who helped put Corzine in office, <a target="_self" href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/02/nj.budget.ap/index.html">I hope you're happy now</a>. im not mad at him im mad at the state senate and asembly This is all over a penny

A.J.

07-03-2006, 03:30 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <img height="200" src="http://www.cookrepublicans.com/content/img/f23764/SZ200_John%20Corzine.jpg" width="200" border="0" />"Look folks, I have some good news ands some bad news. The bad news is we're shutting down the government. The good news is . . . . . I"M A GAY AMERICAN! (wtf it worked for that crook McGreevy)" "He sure has a purty mouth."

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 07:21 AM

Sheeplovr wrote:  For those of you who helped put Corzine in office, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/02/nj.budget.ap/index.html" target="_self">I hope you're happy now</a>.  im not mad at him im mad at the state senate and asembly This is all over a penny 
   A penny?  If you're buying a soda.  And the last time the state sales tax was raised?  It worked out real well. <img width="200" height="229" border="0" src="http://politicsnj.com/FlorioJim.jpg" />

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 07:22 AM

HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: FezPaul wrote: HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: WRESTLINGFAN wrote: Wow, classic Jersey politics at its best or worse if youre form the garden state <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_us/new_jersey_budget</a> <img width="180" height="187" border="0" src="http://www2.bc.edu/%7Esteenje/sf/forrester.jpg" /> "You reap what you sow, asses." That guy was an incompetent buffoon. He'd either be doing the same thing or conitnue driving this state's finances off a cliff. Doug Forrester wants to drive your finances off a cliff in a Conga Line of corruption. Oh, BEAUTIFUL callback. Bravo. But you forgot Dem Bosses.    You know what?  The conga line ad was much better than the Dem Bosses ad, even though the Dem Bosses ad was a lot more creepy and effective.

FMJeff

07-03-2006, 12:06 PM

ha ha, screw you suckers...i got out just in time...looks like its mohican sun from now on...fuck ac anyway...nothing but a bunch of...

Gvac

07-03-2006, 12:10 PM

What was New Jersey's answer to try to fix one of the most corrupt state governments in the US?  Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor!Sounded like a good idea at the time...

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 12:14 PM

Gvac wrote: What was New Jersey's answer to try to fix one of the most corrupt state governments in the US? Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor!Sounded like a good idea at the time...    The bruise on my head is from banging my head into the wall since November.  This was nothing more than an orchestrated attempt by Corzine for the oval office.  And it's backfiring spectacularly.   My god, Bring back Codey

FMJeff

07-03-2006, 01:13 PM

i will never vote for corzine for president

narc

07-03-2006, 01:40 PM

Why did you elect Corzine anyway? Was it the whole union support thing? Because you had to know he was going to tax you back to the stone age first chance he got. That was his biggest M.O. in Congress. 
Then again, I'm from a state that's about to elect Spitzer, who's just as bad.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 01:46 PM

FMJeff wrote: i will never vote for corzine for president   He won't make it that far.  No offense, the Midwest will have enough of a problem with Hilary, let alone a ultra-rich Jew.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 01:55 PM

narc wrote: Why did you elect Corzine anyway? Was it the whole union support thing? Because you had to know he was going to tax you back to the stone age first chance he got. That was his biggest M.O. in Congress. 
Then again, I'm from a state that's about to elect Spitzer, who's just as bad.    Both Candidates pushed cleaning up corruption in Trenton and a better-running government.  Forrester had a plan to reduce property taxes in three years, which was torn to shreds by the Democrats.  Both came off as rich stiffs, but I guess Corzine had the better PR spin team.   Long story short, this marks the fourth Democratic governor in a row that's had major issues.  Florio, McGreevey, Codey (kinda - not enough time in office to really do much damage, outside of appropriating money to his pet projects, which I've dicussed previously on this board) and now Corzine.    I don't claim to be a government budget genius, but there's obviously a major problem if Corzine's own party is turning on him. It could be one of two things... 1) The new budget closes up a lot of holes in the corruption and pocket lining schemes in NJ OR 2) The budget is so monumentally fucked up that it's not going to work.  Or are there other options I'm unaware of?

HBox

07-03-2006, 02:10 PM

Sheeplovr

07-03-2006, 02:15 PM

Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor! he
is so uncurpt he was asked ot joint the Dlc and he said no that takes
balls and also why he had ot get out of senate and call the man curpt
he gave 200 million in cash to ny for 911 in the first week im not goign to let some corzine bashing go down hes a good dudei met him i worked for him he's a good one yall
dont see the bgi picture of his budget being passed makeing it so we
can refinance the bonds witch works out in the long runhis plan is to run the state with his buisness skills and it could work he's
not the bad guy its the state senate and assembly careing baout the
rich peoples intrests they talk about voter backlash its not its rich
donater backlashp.s. he's not a jew and he's from iowa i'd vote him for president twice not at the same time but 4 years apart 


This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 7-3-06 @ 6:21 PM

UnknownPD

07-03-2006, 02:25 PM

i'd vote him for president twice not at the same time but 4 years apartYup, cause that's what we need another billionaire financier whose made his money of the labors of others telling us what to do.

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 7-3-06 @ 6:28 PM

Death Metal Moe

07-03-2006, 03:04 PM

Fuck this asshole.  I was so unimpressed with the 2 canidates last election, it was the 1st I've ever missed voting in.  Nothing ever changes in NJ politics.These motherfuckers need even MORE taxes to mismanage?  Fuck you.  Die.I don't want to see the fucking sales tax go up a fucking tenth of a percent.

Gvac

07-03-2006, 03:17 PM

I wonder if there will ever come a day when people who identify themselves as "liberal Democrat" or "conservative Republican" will be able to look at issues and candidates objectively.  Instead, they seem to deify someone who espouses the beliefs they know their contituents want to hear.  If you think Jon Corzine is a wonderful man with no evidence of bribery, misappropriation of funds, and ties to organized crime in his past, and he's just an incredibly wealthy "man of the people" you've got a lot of tough lessons ahead of you in life.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 03:19 PM

HBox wrote: Gvac wrote: What was New Jersey's answer to try to fix one of the most corrupt state governments in the US? Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor!Sounded like a good idea at the time... And exactly how is Corzine corrupt?    The 400K to his ex-girlfriend who happens to be a union leader comes to mind.

HBox

07-03-2006, 03:19 PM

Gvac wrote: I wonder if there will ever come a day when people who identify themselves as "liberal Democrat" or "conservative Republican" will be able to look at issues and candidates objectively. Instead, they seem to deify someone who espouses the beliefs they know their contituents want to hear. If you think Jon Corzine is a wonderful man with no evidence of bribery, misappropriation of funds, and ties to organized crime in his past, and he's just an incredibly wealthy "man of the people" you've got a lot of tough lessons ahead of you in life.   Well then come with the examples. I'm not going to take your word for it.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 03:24 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor! he
is so uncurpt he was asked ot joint the Dlc and he said no that takes
balls and also why he had ot get out of senate and call the man curpt
he gave 200 million in cash to ny for 911 in the first week im not goign to let some corzine bashing go down hes a good dudei met him i worked for him he's a good one yall
dont see the bgi picture of his budget being passed makeing it so we
can refinance the bonds witch works out in the long runhis plan is to run the state with his buisness skills and it could work he's
not the bad guy its the state senate and assembly careing baout the
rich peoples intrests they talk about voter backlash its not its rich
donater backlashp.s. he's not a jew and he's from iowa i'd vote him for president twice not at the same time but 4 years apart 


This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 7-3-06 @ 6:21 PM   Just because a man is charitable does not mean he's not corrupt.  See: John Gotti.  Secondly, where's the cite on the donation of 200 million to 9/11 victims?  I see him passing legislation on tax breaks to 9/11 victims, but I see nothing about a large cash donation.

HBox

07-03-2006, 03:28 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: Gvac wrote: What was New Jersey's answer to try to fix one of the most corrupt state governments in the US? Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor!Sounded like a good idea at the time... And exactly how is Corzine corrupt? The 400K to his ex-girlfriend who happens to be a union leader comes to mind. Well, point conceded there, there's no defense for that. I forgot about that story. I know some will just write me off as a typical liberal, but one story in a vacuum doesn't mean he's corrupt. It's not like I was sitting here supporting Torricelli when tried to run again for office, and I called out McGreevey's "gay american" thing for what it was,  trying to distract from his real scandals and rampant corruption, so don't try and pull out that card on me. At least Corzine is trying to tackle the budget problem, something Governors of this state have been ignoring for years. 

This message was edited by HBox on 7-3-06 @ 7:34 PM

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 03:36 PM

One more thing - Just because you meet people, and they're nice people, it doesn't mean they aren't corrupt and/or don't do their job particularly well. I've met both McGreevey and Codey.  I found them both to be nice, social men who were polite and friendly.  But it doesn't help the fact that McGreevey was incredibly corrupt who used his homosexuality as his "out" - literally and figuratively - and Codey was a media whore who appropriated large amounts of state money for his pet projects, simply because he could.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 03:38 PM

HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: Gvac wrote: What was New Jersey's answer to try to fix one of the most corrupt state governments in the US? Elect one of the most corrupt politicians to be its governor!Sounded like a good idea at the time... And exactly how is Corzine corrupt? The 400K to his ex-girlfriend who happens to be a union leader comes to mind. Well, point conceded there, there's no defense for that. I forgot about that story. I know some will just write me off as a typical liberal, but one story in a vacuum doesn't mean he's corrupt. It's not like I was sitting here supporting Torricelli when tried to run again for office, and I called out McGreevey's "gay american" thing for what it was, trying to distract from his real scandals and rampant corruption, so don't try and pull out that card on me. At least Corzine is trying to tackle the budget problem, something Governors of this state have been ignoring for years. 

This message was edited by HBox on 7-3-06 @ 7:34 PM   As I said - the shutdown is either because it's a very sound budget that closes out a lot of corrupt loopholes, or the shutdown is because it's a horrific budget that will lead us further down the wrong path. I hope, for the sake of the state it's the former, but given past performance, I cringe that it's the latter.

HBox

07-03-2006, 03:48 PM

I think its some Democrats (most in the assembly) that are terrified of raising the sales tax because of what happened the last time they did that. Florio was destroyed, Democrats lost control of the State House for a few years and the backlash was so bad that Bill Bradley almost lost his campaign for re-election to the US Senate, which had nothing to do with the state sales tax increase.Personally, I think the backlash won't be that bad since most people in the state realize the budget situation is serious. But there will be some as there always is. You guys won't believe it, but Corzine's approval ratings are still in the positive, 50-46 at the last polling.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 03:58 PM

HBox wrote: Personally, I think the backlash won't be that bad since most people in the state realize the budget situation is serious. But there will be some as there always is. You guys won't believe it, but Corzine's approval ratings are still in the positive, 50-46 at the last polling.    If the shutdown lasts much longer past Wednesday, those numbers will start to drop like a rock.

nwm

07-03-2006, 04:08 PM

I live in Jersey and there is one thing I do not understand. Where the hell is the money going? I am tired of the high taxes. Mcgreevy imposed a millinares tax that raised taxes on people making a combined income of over half a mil. Where did that money go. The wonderful Gardenstate parkway isn't supposed to have tolls on it since the bond was paid off that was over 10 years ago where the hell is that money. I cannot for the life of me figure out why we are in a budget crisis. Hell they even rasied the taxes on cigarettes.Jersey will rasise taxes at a drop of the hat and it never seems to be a end. I don't like Corzine but respect him for standing up to Trenton but the dope is loseing money with lost wages, no lottery, and the casionos being shut down. Its the equivlent of being broke and decideing not to work anymore. Also raiseing the sales tax is dumb because alot of people from neighboring states shop in Jersey because the sales tax is lower then there state. you raise the tax there is no reason to shop here. Another fact is that Jersey tends to tax the higher class at a rate that caused them to moveout of NJ and there is more revenue lost. Trenton should make due with the money they have just like every other working stiff. (Patriotic music needs to be playing in the background to get the full effect of this post.)

This message was edited by nwm on 7-3-06 @ 8:13 PM

Don Stugots

07-03-2006, 04:10 PM

nwm wrote: I live in Jersey and there is one thing I do not understand. Where the hell is the money going? I am tired of the high taxes. Mcgreevy imposed a millinares tax that raised taxes on people making a combined income of over half a mil. Where did that money go. The wonderful Gardenstate parkway isn't supposed to have tolls on it since the bond was paid off that was over 10 years ago where the hell is that money. I cannot for the life of me figure out why we are in a budget crisis. Hell they even rasied the taxes on cigarettes. I don't like Corzine but respect him for standing up to Trenton. Also raiseing the sales tax is dumb because alot of people from neighboring states in Jersey because the tax is lower then there state. you raise thae tax there is no reason to shop here. Another fact is that Jersey tends to tax the higher class at a rate that caused them to move to another state and there is more revenue lost. Trenton should make due with the money they have just like every other working stiff. (Patriotic music needs to be playing in the background to get the full effect of this post.) you know as i was reading this post i was humming battle hyme of the republic.

nwm

07-03-2006, 04:14 PM

as you should

Don Stugots

07-03-2006, 04:16 PM

nwm wrote: as you shouldwell i did.  so there <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

FezPaul

07-03-2006, 04:49 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: nwm wrote: as you shouldwell i did.  so there <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />I went with the Star-Spangled Banner (it being so close to the 4th and all).

nwm

07-03-2006, 05:06 PM

FezPaul wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: nwm wrote: as you shouldwell i did.  so there <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />I went with the Star-Spangled Banner (it being so close to the 4th and all).Throw in some fireworks and a couple of topless women and you have one hell of a post

Se7en

07-03-2006, 05:08 PM

HBox wrote:   I know some will just write me off as a typical liberal, Done and done.  *brushes hands*

HBox

07-03-2006, 05:14 PM

Another fact is that Jersey tends to tax the
higher class at a rate that caused them to moveout of NJ and there is
more revenue lost.You sure about that? New Jersey has the 3rd highest average personal income in the US and is growing at a high rate.<a href="http://www.bea.gov/bea/newsrel/SPINewsRelease.htm" target="_blank">Despite the high taxes.</a>

HBox

07-03-2006, 05:18 PM

Se7en wrote: HBox wrote: I know some will just write me off as a typical liberal, Done and done. *brushes hands* I love how you drop your posts into threads like it was a radioactive turd, and then run away never to return. I won't be expecting a reply this time either. 

This message was edited by HBox on 7-3-06 @ 9:18 PM

LordJezo

07-03-2006, 06:02 PM

Typical lying libs in action, but that's what this state gets. Went against everything he stood for in his campaign, said he was going to raise taxes, and is now shutting down all of the money making revenue sources the government has just so he can force us all to spend more in taxes so the government can raise how much it spends.  He'll make the state lose even more money and the worthless sheep that vote will elect him for a second term, something like 2 million a day when the casinos close.   Way to go.  Morons.

Don Stugots

07-03-2006, 06:04 PM

LordJezo wrote: Typical lying libs in action, but that's what this state gets. Went against everything he stood for in his campaign, said he was going to raise taxes, and is now shutting down all of the money making revenue sources the government has just so he can force us all to spend more in taxes so the government can raise how much it spends.  He'll make the state lose even more money and the worthless sheep that vote will elect him for a second term, something like 2 million a day when the casinos close.   Way to go.  Morons. i am an independent but what would have the conservatives done?  (i say conservatives like its a bad word, same for liberals)

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 06:12 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: LordJezo wrote: Typical lying libs in action, but that's what this state gets. Went against everything he stood for in his campaign, said he was going to raise taxes, and is now shutting down all of the money making revenue sources the government has just so he can force us all to spend more in taxes so the government can raise how much it spends. He'll make the state lose even more money and the worthless sheep that vote will elect him for a second term, something like 2 million a day when the casinos close. Way to go. Morons. i am an independent but what would have the conservatives done? (i say conservatives like its a bad word, same for liberals)   The state didn't have nearly the problems it did when Whitman and Kean were governors. I know it was different times back then, but it just seems that whenever there's a Democrat in the governor's office in the past 20 years, there's been problems. I can't tell you how Forrester would have changed things.  Hindsight is 20/20.

Tenbatsuzen

07-03-2006, 06:14 PM

nwm wrote: I live in Jersey and there is one thing I do not understand. Where the hell is the money going? I am tired of the high taxes. Mcgreevy imposed a millinares tax that raised taxes on people making a combined income of over half a mil. Where did that money go. The wonderful Gardenstate parkway isn't supposed to have tolls on it since the bond was paid off that was over 10 years ago where the hell is that money. I cannot for the life of me figure out why we are in a budget crisis. Hell they even rasied the taxes on cigarettes.Jersey will rasise taxes at a drop of the hat and it never seems to be a end. I don't like Corzine but respect him for standing up to Trenton but the dope is loseing money with lost wages, no lottery, and the casionos being shut down. Its the equivlent of being broke and decideing not to work anymore. Also raiseing the sales tax is dumb because alot of people from neighboring states shop in Jersey because the sales tax is lower then there state. you raise the tax there is no reason to shop here. Another fact is that Jersey tends to tax the higher class at a rate that caused them to moveout of NJ and there is more revenue lost. Trenton should make due with the money they have just like every other working stiff. (Patriotic music needs to be playing in the background to get the full effect of this post.)

This message was edited by nwm on 7-3-06 @ 8:13 PM   16 posts, member for four years, NASCAR avatar, and you're funny.  I salute you sir.

HBox

07-03-2006, 06:39 PM

Whatever solution to this problem, whether it be liberal or conservative, is going to be painful because of the huge size of the budget shortfall. It's either higher taxes or huge budget cuts, and in any sensible plan a combination of the two. The sad fact of the campaign for governor is that both sides were touting property tax reform and cuts when they knew full well that they could not put forth a responsible budget doing that. If you are to believe Corzine's plan, he is setting aside a portion of the sales tax increase for property tax reform later this year.

mdr55

07-04-2006, 04:05 AM

Tax the illegals.   Oh wait. They don't pay taxes.

Bulldogcakes

07-04-2006, 04:11 AM

Tax the Homosexuals.

King Imp

07-04-2006, 09:33 AM

I personally don't care much about this penny increase, but he better not raise the property taxes. Especially since this was the main stance he ran on in his platform. We already get raped by these high taxes. I myself pay around $7000 a year and for what. Any higher and a lot of people won't be able to live here any longer. 

This message was edited by King Imp on 7-4-06 @ 1:34 PM

HBox

07-04-2006, 10:29 AM

Tax posts by Death Metal Moe, the budget problem will be solved in a fortnight.

Tenbatsuzen

07-04-2006, 10:42 AM

King Imp wrote: I personally don't care much about this penny increase, but he better not raise the property taxes. Especially since this was the main stance he ran on in his platform. We already get raped by these high taxes. I myself pay around $7000 a year and for what. Any higher and a lot of people won't be able to live here any longer. 

    It's not a penny increase.  It's a one percent increase.  Big difference. Part of the budget is supposed to relieve property taxes.  Trust me - if property taxes went up, I think the citizens of NJ would be outside the statehouse with pitchforks and torches.

Tenbatsuzen

07-04-2006, 10:43 AM

HBox wrote: Tax posts by Death Metal Moe, the budget problem will be solved in a fortnight.    Tax every sperm that's left your body on account of Tanith Belbin.

King Imp

07-04-2006, 10:52 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Part of the budget is supposed to relieve property taxes.  Trust me - if property taxes went up, I think the citizens of NJ would be outside the statehouse with pitchforks and torches.  If this actually happens and propery taxes do go down, I will gladly be the first to sing this man's praises. If it goes up, I will gladly re-enact the scene from Frankenstein as one of the angry townsfolk.

Bulldogcakes

07-04-2006, 10:59 AM

TAX THE HOMOSInstitute a 50% tax on all Hollywood personal assistants, Male Flight attendants, Broadway Performers, Cabana Boys, Interior Decorators, TV gardening experts and Astro Glide. Problem solved.

Tenbatsuzen

07-04-2006, 11:23 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: TAX THE HOMOSInstitute a 50% tax on all Hollywood personal assistants, Male Flight attendants, Broadway Performers, Cabana Boys, Interior Decorators, TV gardening experts and Astro Glide. Problem solved.    1) California.2) OK.3) New York.4) Florida5) OK6) Florida, California7) Straight people use astroglide too.

Death Metal Moe

07-04-2006, 11:28 AM

nwm wrote: Throw in some fireworks and a couple of topless women and you have one hell of a postBut what post wouldn't be made better by adding those 2 things?

Death Metal Moe

07-04-2006, 11:28 AM

HBox wrote: Tax posts by Death Metal Moe, the budget problem will be solved in a fortnight. Do you want me to leave again?

Judge Smails

07-04-2006, 11:31 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: 7) Straight people use astroglide too.<img src="http://rad.usuhs.mil/rad/allgreek.jpg" border="0" />

Death Metal Moe

07-04-2006, 11:35 AM

"It don't make you a bad person" is the non-judgemental MANTA of this radio show.Let's not label anyone now.

Tenbatsuzen

07-04-2006, 12:11 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: "It don't make you a bad person" is the non-judgemental MANTA of this radio show.Let's not label anyone now.   <img width="304" height="232" border="0" src="http://members.aol.com/SprFriends/blackmanta2.jpg" /> I think you meant MANTRA.

Tenbatsuzen

07-04-2006, 12:12 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: HBox wrote: Tax posts by Death Metal Moe, the budget problem will be solved in a fortnight. Do you want me to leave again?   I find it somewhat... strange that you took a self-prescribed long term vacation from this place and you still have the highest post count.

Death Metal Moe

07-04-2006, 12:12 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I think you meant MANTRA.<img height="250" src="http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/imus1.jpg" width="184" border="0" />"I know what I meant ya jerk!!!"

HBox

07-04-2006, 09:57 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13661651/" target="_blank">No budget deals, casinos to shut down tomorrow as of right now.</a> The guy opposing Corzine, Joseph Roberts, is a well-known crony of George Norcross, one of the notirous "Dem Bosses" referred to in Forrester's commercials. He is proposing an income tax increase instead of a sales tax increase. In Corzine's latest proposal he is dedicating half of the sales tax increase for property tax relief. So Corzine is standing up to the Democratic establishment. So prehaps Tenbats was right.

Sheeplovr

07-05-2006, 03:44 AM

shuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttt dooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnno work for me today but i cant seam to get back to sleepim changing the name to the Sheepdown

LordJezo

07-05-2006, 04:12 AM

King Imp wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Part of the budget is supposed to relieve property taxes. Trust me - if property taxes went up, I think the citizens of NJ would be outside the statehouse with pitchforks and torches. If this actually happens and propery taxes do go down, I will gladly be the first to sing this man's praises. If it goes up, I will gladly re-enact the scene from Frankenstein as one of the angry townsfolk. I really doubt anyone will do anything. Property taxes are going to go up and Corzine is going to win a second term.It's past 8 AM. Does anyone have any casino news? "In Corzine's latest proposal he is dedicating half of the sales tax increase for property tax relief." Yeah, and in his latest election campaign he said he wasnt going to raise taxes.  How can you trust a word he says?  He's just saying those things in order to get the tax to 7%. 

This message was edited by LordJezo on 7-5-06 @ 8:26 AM

CuzBum

07-05-2006, 04:25 AM

I heard on the radio they're starting to close.*edit* p.s. I turned 21 in March and I just realized i haven't even gone to a casino yet, what the hell have I done with my life?

This message was edited by CuzBum on 7-5-06 @ 8:28 AM

Death Metal Moe

07-05-2006, 04:43 AM

CuzBum wrote: I heard on the radio they're starting to close.*edit* p.s. I turned 21 in March and I just realized i haven't even gone to a casino yet, what the hell have I done with my life?You haven't pissed your money away on an empty dream.

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 05:21 AM

I ASSURE YOU, WE'RE CLOSED.

UnknownPD

07-05-2006, 05:50 AM

The guy opposing Corzine, Joseph Roberts, is a well-known crony of George Norcross, one of the notirous "Dem Bosses" referred to in Forrester's commercials. He is proposing an income tax increase instead of a sales tax increase. In Corzine's latest proposal he is dedicating half of the sales tax increase for property tax relief. So Corzine is standing up to the Democratic establishment. So prehaps Tenbats was right. Gee or maybe the "Democratic Machine" is standing up against a typical tax and spend policitcian

ADF

07-05-2006, 06:05 AM

I think you mean a typical "tax and spend on a multi-billion dollar budget defecit" politician.  It's not like he's proposing any new programs.

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 06:29 AM

UnknownPD wrote: The guy opposing Corzine, Joseph Roberts, is a well-known crony of George Norcross, one of the notirous "Dem Bosses" referred to in Forrester's commercials. He is proposing an income tax increase instead of a sales tax increase. In Corzine's latest proposal he is dedicating half of the sales tax increase for property tax relief. So Corzine is standing up to the Democratic establishment. So prehaps Tenbats was right.  Gee or maybe the "Democratic Machine" is standing up against a typical tax and spend policitcian   As far as I know, you don't live in NJ.  That being said, trust me - you don't need snarky quotations around Democratic Machine when dealing with this state.

Death Metal Moe

07-05-2006, 06:31 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: HBox wrote: Tax posts by Death Metal Moe, the budget problem will be solved in a fortnight. Do you want me to leave again?I find it somewhat... strange that you took a self-prescribed long term vacation from this place and you still have the highest post count.Yea, well....ya know.

HBox

07-05-2006, 10:43 AM

UnknownPD wrote: The guy opposing Corzine, Joseph Roberts, is a well-known crony of George Norcross, one of the notirous "Dem Bosses" referred to in Forrester's commercials. He is proposing an income tax increase instead of a sales tax increase. In Corzine's latest proposal he is dedicating half of the sales tax increase for property tax relief. So Corzine is standing up to the Democratic establishment. So prehaps Tenbats was right.  Gee or maybe the "Democratic Machine" is standing up against a typical tax and spend policitcian  You obviously don't know what you are talking about. The debate isn't over whether to raise taxes, but HOW. The only people who don't want to raise taxes are Republicans, but nobody's listening to them.

Don Stugots

07-05-2006, 11:19 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Death Metal Moe wrote: HBox wrote: Tax posts by Death Metal Moe, the budget problem will be solved in a fortnight. Do you want me to leave again?I find it somewhat... strange that you took a self-prescribed long term vacation from this place and you still have the highest post count.Yea, well....ya know.Moe. dont leave us.......

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 01:29 PM

Dennis Malloy and Tommy G on New Jersey 101.5 have been phenomenal on their coverage of the shutdown.  It's a nice change of pace with O&A and R&F away.

Death Metal Moe

07-05-2006, 01:35 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dennis Malloy and Tommy G on New Jersey 101.5 have been phenomenal on their coverage of the shutdown.  It's a nice change of pace with O&A and R&F away.How much did they pay you to say that?

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 01:38 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dennis Malloy and Tommy G on New Jersey 101.5 have been phenomenal on their coverage of the shutdown. It's a nice change of pace with O&A and R&F away.How much did they pay you to say that?   Less than a teacher, 50 hours a week.

Death Metal Moe

07-05-2006, 01:41 PM

Wow, you've undersold yourself my friend.

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 01:43 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Wow, you've undersold yourself my friend.   Will Market and Promote for Food

Bulldogcakes

07-05-2006, 02:06 PM

HBox wrote: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13661651/">No budget deals, casinos to shut down tomorrow as of right now.</a> The guy opposing Corzine, Joseph Roberts, is a well-known crony of George Norcross, one of the notirous "Dem Bosses" referred to in Forrester's commercials. He is proposing an income tax increase instead of a sales tax increase. In Corzine's latest proposal he is dedicating half of the sales tax increase for property tax relief. So Corzine is standing up to the Democratic establishment. So prehaps Tenbats was right. PLease explain to me why one plan is any better than the other. Corzine cuts property taxes, but raises sales taxes. Norcross keep the sales tax the same, but increases income taxes. If you have a job, live in a house (own or rent) and occasionally buy stuff, you get fucked one way or the other. I LOVE how whenever these discussions take place there's no real disussion about REAL SPENDING cuts. As if the state of NJ runs at maximun efficiency, and there's nowhere to cut. Which everyone knows is ridiculous.I know both sides are talking about "cutting" spending, but those are usually cuts in the rate of growth of spending, or flatlining a budget. So in other words they spend a dollar now, and they were going to spend $1.10 next year, but now they're "cutting" it to $1.05. Or worse case scenario they'll actually break down and only spend a dollar next year. Try to run your houshold like that. You'll be bankrupt in no time. As usual, the greed of politicians with other people's money is endless. You obviously
don't know what you are talking about. The debate isn't over whether to
raise taxes, but HOW. The only people who don't want to raise taxes are
Republicans, but nobody's listening to them.  Ding ding ding!!!And those are the consequences of an election. Or as they say in Chinatown, an erection. 

 Now had you folks voted for a Republican, he would have made your grandchildren pay for todays problems, like they're supposed to.      

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-5-06 @ 6:15 PM

HBox

07-05-2006, 02:56 PM

PLease explain to me why one plan is any better than the other. I'd say Corzine's is better because Norcross (or Roberts, whatever, essentially the same thing) wants to raise income taxes only so he can raise sales taxes later and use all of it to reduce property taxes. Property taxes are so out of whack here that even if a cut in those taxes are simply replaced elsewhere it will be worth it.But judging just their current plans and none in the future, it just goes to a matter of preference. What ius significant here though is that whatever you think of Corzine's plan, at least for now he is challenging the current corrupt Democratic party establishment. There much more to do of course, but for now Corzine does look like he is trtying to change thing. Whether he is successful now in this current battle, or whether he is successful in the future, or whether he even continues to try and change things in the future is all up in the air.New Jersey is really a microcosm of the nation at large, in reverse. Democrats control the government and seem invincible, despite a large portion being corrupt and mismanaging. Everyone is pissed, but the Republicans are hapless and put up lame candidate after lame candidate. However, things seem to be changing. Tom Kean Jr. is running for Senate and seems competent enough so far. And the last two major Democratic candidates for major offices, Jon Corzine and Robert Menendez, seem to be pretty clean.It is really telling though that despite the national mood and the mood in NJ in particular regarding Bush and Republicans, that Kean and Menendez are running in a dead heat.I really wish they would ditch this stupid rebate program and just take the money they use for that and just apply a tax cut. It's a waste of time and resources.

Hottub

07-05-2006, 03:10 PM

I have to disagree with your plan for ditching the rebate. I paid $10,000 last year in property taxes. I cannot tell you how happy I was when I got my "Property Relief" check.Damn near 300 bucks!!!   FUCK YOU!!!!I voted for Forrester for mainly one reason. His 30 in 3 plan. I still am not sure where he planned to make up the shortfall, but he looked me in the eye and promised 30% reduction in 3 years. He also signed a pledge, and invited us to sign under his name.I am still wondering how many of these ass hats would not be getting their pockets lined if they voted for the proposed budget.

HBox

07-06-2006, 12:02 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13714765/" target="_blank">A deal has reportedly been reached.</a>

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 12:15 PM

HBox wrote: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13714765/">A deal has reportedly been reached.</a>    1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original plan. OK, Corzine's got a spine.  I respect him.

UnknownPD

07-06-2006, 12:59 PM

1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original planRaising the tax from 6 to 7 % is more like a 16% increase. And as for Corzine's spine. The sales tax more directly impacts the poor as they spend a larger percentage of their incomes and are much less likely to own property. Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush.

Recyclerz

07-06-2006, 01:24 PM

Although I live in NY, I just can't help but stick my nose into these NJ political threads. (I spend a fair amount of time there for work,so I'll be paying the higher sales taxes on pretzels and beer.)Politically, I think this was a excellent move for Corzine: establish alpha male cred and get the dirty work out of the way early in one fell swoop.  This leaves plenty of time to be the good guy before the next election.  And although Unknown PD is right in his narrow point about sales taxes being regressive, those are probably the "least high" relative to property  & income in NJ right now.If you Republicanos want to be mad at anybody for this situation I submit that it should be 1. Christie Whitman, for her three card monte financing of the state finances back in the late '90's and 2. The state municipal union leaders for being smarter that the elected officials and negotiating great pension deals for their workers, the costs of which will start to bite way before Bulldogcakes grandchildren can even start paying income taxes.

UnknownPD

07-06-2006, 01:28 PM

Politically, I think this was a excellent move for CorzineThis is an exact copy of the Bloomberg move. Just after occupying city hall Bloomie raised taxes, by the time he was up for reelection everybody forgot.

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 01:29 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original plan Raising the tax from 6 to 7 % is more like a 16% increase. And as for Corzine's spine. The sales tax more directly impacts the poor as they spend a larger percentage of their incomes and are much less likely to own property. Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush.   YOU DON'T LIVE IN NEW JERSEY, WHY ARE YOU EVEN COMMENTING ON THIS?  You have NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCKING PROPERTY TAX SITUATION IS!   First - there are Open Enterprise Zones in some of the poorest areas in NJ, with 3% sales tax. Secondly - the reduction of the property taxes will help the poor be able to buy houses!   Jesus Christ, you've really pissed me off.

HBox

07-06-2006, 01:39 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original plan Raising the tax from 6 to 7 % is more like a 16% increase. And as for Corzine's spine. The sales tax more directly impacts the poor as they spend a larger percentage of their incomes and are much less likely to own property. Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush.  Did you forget the millionaire's tax instituted a couple years ago? How did the rich win there? Secondly, the NJ sales tax is more progressive than you'd think thanks to its exemptions. Almost all food purchases, for example, are not taxed. And something desperately needed to be done about property taxes, if you don't realize this you don't live here or you are being purposely dense.

crb1

07-06-2006, 01:58 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original plan  Raising the tax from 6 to 7 % is more like a 16% increase. And as for Corzine's spine. The sales tax more directly impacts the poor as they spend a larger percentage of their incomes and are much less likely to own property. Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush.Property tax reduction will help the middle class a HELL of a lot more than the upper class. It is a crippling expense for a lot of people in this state and is a reason a lot of people can't afford a house in NJ.   Just because something may not benefit the poor, it doesn't mean it will only help the rich. It's a nice aid to the middle class who get fucked over repeatedly by politicians from both sides of the fence.

Bulldogcakes

07-06-2006, 01:58 PM

Recyclerz wrote: Although I live in NY, I just can't help but stick my nose into these NJ political threads. (I spend a fair amount of time there for work,so I'll be paying the higher sales taxes on pretzels and beer.)Politically, I think this was a excellent move for Corzine: establish alpha male cred and get the dirty work out of the way early in one fell swoop. This leaves plenty of time to be the good guy before the next election. And although Unknown PD is right in his narrow point about sales taxes being regressive, those are probably the "least high" relative to property & income in NJ right now.If you Republicanos want to be mad at anybody for this situation I submit that it should be 1. Christie Whitman, for her three card monte financing of the state finances back in the late '90's and 2. The state municipal union leaders for being smarter that the elected officials and negotiating great pension deals for their workers, the costs of which will start to bite way before Bulldogcakes grandchildren can even start paying income taxes. One thing about the regressive nature of sales taxes. In NJ, food clothing and shelter are exempted fron sales taxes, so they're not all that regressive. They're actually modestly progressive, since the rich tend to spend more on non essentials, because. . . uh . . .I dunno they're rich. And I hope you got my "pox on both their houses" sarcasm about the grandkids. Not that I have any or plan too. I , of course, meant YOUR grandkids. Bah hahahah.  

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-6-06 @ 6:03 PM

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 01:58 PM

Look gang, conservatives AND liberals can agree! GO TEAM TEN BOX!

HBox

07-06-2006, 02:05 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Look gang, conservatives AND liberals can agree! GO TEAM TEN BOX!   <img width="400" height="525" border="0" src="http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7123/goteamventure2ls.jpg" />

Furtherman

07-06-2006, 02:06 PM

Looks like Fred and Archie.  On Earth 2.

Bulldogcakes

07-06-2006, 02:07 PM

UnknownPD wrote:Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush. HELLO 1965! That hasn't been true for at least 30 years. I have friends and family in those brackets. They pay through the nose. The people who get off are the super rich who live on investments and only pay 15% on Cap gains (Yes, thanks to GW). And incomes tend to go up and down, depending on your business conditions. So taxing the people with high incomes only serves to PREVENT new people from GETTING rich. Which of course, is the American way. Isn't it. 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 7-6-06 @ 6:14 PM

Hottub

07-06-2006, 02:27 PM

Anybody want to pay the 10 Grand/year on my post-war cape, on a 50x100 lot? It has become CRITICAL! When I bought the place 8 years ago it was <$4,500!We need relief, Now! at least this is a step in the right direction.

LordJezo

07-06-2006, 04:51 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original plan Raising the tax from 6 to 7 % is more like a 16% increase. And as for Corzine's spine. The sales tax more directly impacts the poor as they spend a larger percentage of their incomes and are much less likely to own property. Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush.  Yup, I have to agree.  Now we all get raped on extra sales tax just so we can get a few bucks back at the end of the year.Whoop de do.  I get to spend $300 more in sales tax a year just so I can get maybe a third of that back at the end of the year off my property taxes.  In all I'll be paying higher taxes this year than last year.  Bah.  It's even worse for people who rent. Worthless liberals making this state worse and worse to live in.

Don Stugots

07-06-2006, 05:04 PM

i have to apologize to Sheepy.  when he was telling me about this last week, i ignored him because i thought he was talking about the flooding. 

reeshy

07-06-2006, 05:09 PM

I hope they reopen jersey real soon.....Sheepy is spending way too much time in the chat room!!!!!!

Tenbatsuzen

07-06-2006, 05:24 PM

LordJezo wrote: UnknownPD wrote: 1% sales tax, half of which to relieve property taxes... which was Corzine's original plan Raising the tax from 6 to 7 % is more like a 16% increase. And as for Corzine's spine. The sales tax more directly impacts the poor as they spend a larger percentage of their incomes and are much less likely to own property. Once again the rich win and the rest take it in the tush. Yup, I have to agree. Now we all get raped on extra sales tax just so we can get a few bucks back at the end of the year.Whoop de do. I get to spend $300 more in sales tax a year just so I can get maybe a third of that back at the end of the year off my property taxes. In all I'll be paying higher taxes this year than last year. Bah. It's even worse for people who rent. Worthless liberals making this state worse and worse to live in.    Hottub paid 10K in property taxes.  If we're following your extra 300 bucks to "get maybe a third back", you're actually getting a $2700 break, which can be 6-9 months of car payments.  I'll be honest.  I'm a renter right now.  I'm getting married in less than a year, and one of things my future wife has her heart set on is a "house with a backyard".  And to be honest, I was scared because with the way NJ property taxes are, there is no way we could afford to buy a house unless there was some serious tax relief.   I don't care - liberal or conservative - who gets it done - I just want property tax relief so it can clear the way for me to buy a house in the near future.

Don Stugots

07-06-2006, 05:30 PM

worst thing about property taxes is not matter what your house is worth or what state the economy is in they still go up.   Charoltte here we come!!!  i honeslty feel that the tri state area is becoming out of reach for a first time home owner.

King Imp

07-06-2006, 06:12 PM

Glad to hear this is finally over, but I have to wait until I see just how much my property taxes go down before I sing the man's praises. $100 per year is not gonna cut it.

UnknownPD

07-07-2006, 08:07 AM

Anybody want to pay the 10 Grand/year on my post-war cape, on a 50x100 lot? It has become CRITICAL! When I bought the place 8 years ago it was <$4,500! We need relief, Now! at least this is a step in the right direction.I don't get the notion of "relief". you'll be paying the same amount, but since its sales tax its not deductible on your federal taxes. Sounds like a pretty big increase to me.

LordJezo

07-11-2006, 10:48 AM

Finally found a good list of the new taxes: As of Oct. 1, plenty of other goods and services will fall under the
sales tax, including downloaded music, ringtones, movies and books.Also
subject to the tax beginning in October will be: shipping and handling,
drapery and carpet dry cleaning, floor installing, contracted
landscaping, self-storage, tanning, massages, tattooing, magazines and
investigation and security services such as armored cars and alarm
systems will fall under it.Limousines, except for those used in funerals, will be taxed, as will memberships in health, athletic and shopping clubs.  Whoopie. Even more expensive movie tickets. Gym memberships are going to be more money now as well. Glad they care about people getting healthy. Some questions and an answers about New Jersey's new, $30.8 billion budget: Q. What about my property-tax rebate?A.
Senior and disabled citizens will again receive up to $1,200, while
those earning less than $70,000 per year will again get up to $350. But
those earning more than $70,000 per year will see their rebates slashed
$100.Yay, anyone making a living wage in NJ are going to get less in property tax rebates.Rock on NJ!   

This message was edited by LordJezo on 7-11-06 @ 2:50 PM