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Judge Smails

07-05-2006, 09:08 AM

Anyone who seriously believes that the moon landing was faked should probably check out this website: <a href="http://www.clavius.org/">http://www.clavius.org/</a>  as it will answer most questions.  As for why NASA seems to suck lately, this is some of what it has to say:NASA is, unfortunately, suffering a brain drain. While it was fashionable in the 1960s and 1970s to work for the space program, it isn't anymore. NASA is scrambling for talented scientists and engineers. There are probably two reasons for this. First, NASA isn't the same organization it was in the 1960s. Today it's more bureaucratic, more like the other government agencies. Second, much of what NASA does today is seen as routine and repetitive. The magical allure of space travel isn't what it used to be.

rooter

07-05-2006, 09:13 AM

In high school physics we either proved that they were on the moon, or it was the most incredible fake of all time.  There is a spot in the film where the astronauts casually bump into a piece of string hanging off the ship.  If you calculate the rate the the strings swings backwards, it is movement is affected by 1/6 the gravity on earth (as is on the moon).  The astronauts aren't moving in slow motion.  To pay that much attention to detail and to pull of a special effect so difficult at that time seems improbably to me.

Furtherman

07-05-2006, 09:15 AM

abortedfetus wrote: You would think that if you discovered something totally new you would be making regular trips back to investigate it.  Somehow in 1969 we land on the moon and 40 years later how many times have we been back or attempted to go back?  So basically everything since 1969 has gotten better except our space missions.  If you are not fixing my telephone or television signal stay on earth.First of all, we didn't just discover something totally new.  The moon has always been there for us.Second of all - the reason why we've never gone back.  Two reasons.1) The Space Race - when JFK said we would put a man on the moon and it was a race against the Russians - our space program had unlimited resources and money to do this.  After Russia launched Sputnik and they were first into space, we'd be damned as a country to let that happen again and have Russia get to the moon first.  After we beat them and they were no longer in the running to actually get there, we (meaning congress) started looking at those Apollo mission bills and seeing how expensive they were, funding was cut.  2) The Moon - we got there and discovered it was... well, a dead rock.  We collected some rocks, did some experiments and did all we could do with the equipment and technology that was available.  If we didn't go to the moon then the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station would not be a reality today.We can, and probably will go back, but more for research to see if there is water or ice on the dark side of the moon and to start a moon base as a fueling center for a trip to Mars.  When will this happen?  I guarantee it will kick start another space race once China reaches for it.  And they are well on their way.

kdubya

07-05-2006, 09:40 AM

CircusFreak wrote: TheQuestion wrote: I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but it always baffles me that somehow in 1969 we were able to send men to and from the moon but in 2006 we have trouble launching a space shuttle.  need more proof?<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysVGV9mkPgY&mode=related&search=moon%20armstrong" target="_self">case closed</a>That video was pretty funny

kdubya

07-05-2006, 09:43 AM

TheQuestion wrote: I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but it always baffles me that somehow in 1969 we were able to send men to and from the moon but in 2006 we have trouble launching a space shuttle.  Cars have been around for over 100 years, but they still crash and have problems, same thing with airplanes. Hell, boats have been around for thousands of years and they still sink.  Also, ROOTER, thank you for bringing actual science into the debate. Everything in the video was just  some nut saying, "come on that can't happen, it seems so fake" but no actual science to back it.

This message was edited by kdubya on 7-5-06 @ 1:47 PM

Tall_James

07-05-2006, 09:50 AM

Thanks for the link Perry.  I wanted to see that when it originally aired but missed it and then forgot about it.

abortedfetus

07-05-2006, 10:01 AM

Furtherman wrote: abortedfetus wrote: You would think that if you discovered something totally new you would be making regular trips back to investigate it.  Somehow in 1969 we land on the moon and 40 years later how many times have we been back or attempted to go back?  So basically everything since 1969 has gotten better except our space missions.  If you are not fixing my telephone or television signal stay on earth.First of all, we didn't just discover something totally new.  The moon has always been there for us.Second of all - the reason why we've never gone back.  Two reasons.1) The Space Race - when JFK said we would put a man on the moon and it was a race against the Russians - our space program had unlimited resources and money to do this.  After Russia launched Sputnik and they were first into space, we'd be damned as a country to let that happen again and have Russia get to the moon first.  After we beat them and they were no longer in the running to actually get there, we (meaning congress) started looking at those Apollo mission bills and seeing how expensive they were, funding was cut.  2) The Moon - we got there and discovered it was... well, a dead rock.  We collected some rocks, did some experiments and did all we could do with the equipment and technology that was available.  If we didn't go to the moon then the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station would not be a reality today.We can, and probably will go back, but more for research to see if there is water or ice on the dark side of the moon and to start a moon base as a fueling center for a trip to Mars.  When will this happen?  I guarantee it will kick start another space race once China reaches for it.  And they are well on their way.We haven't been to the moon.

FUNKMAN

07-05-2006, 10:05 AM

narc

07-05-2006, 10:09 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">abortedfetus wrote: Furtherman wrote: abortedfetus wrote: You would think that if you discovered something totally new you would be making regular trips back to investigate it. Somehow in 1969 we land on the moon and 40 years later how many times have we been back or attempted to go back? So basically everything since 1969 has gotten better except our space missions. If you are not fixing my telephone or television signal stay on earth.First of all, we didn't just discover something totally new. The moon has always been there for us.Second of all - the reason why we've never gone back. Two reasons.1) The Space Race - when JFK said we would put a man on the moon and it was a race against the Russians - our space program had unlimited resources and money to do this. After Russia launched Sputnik and they were first into space, we'd be damned as a country to let that happen again and have Russia get to the moon first. After we beat them and they were no longer in the running to actually get there, we (meaning congress) started looking at those Apollo mission bills and seeing how expensive they were, funding was cut. 2) The Moon - we got there and discovered it was... well, a dead rock. We collected some rocks, did some experiments and did all we could do with the equipment and technology that was available. If we didn't go to the moon then the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station would not be a reality today.We can, and probably will go back, but more for research to see if there is water or ice on the dark side of the moon and to start a moon base as a fueling center for a trip to Mars. When will this happen? I guarantee it will kick start another space race once China reaches for it. And they are well on their way.We haven't been to the moon. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

Such a witty rejoinder. They give you science, and you just respond that we haven't been. 
One thing people always forget is that we have been back. 5 times, with the last one being in 1972. Remember that cool Lunar rover thing?
So I guess you're going to say those are faked too. Because going to the moon is just impossible.

Furtherman

07-05-2006, 10:19 AM

We haven't been to the moon. When you do educate yourself, aborted fetus (how telling), please come back and give your reasons.  If they trump mine, then I would be glad to tip my hat to you.

kdubya

07-05-2006, 10:59 AM

The site Judge-smails gave <a href="http://www.clavius.org/">http://www.clavius.org/</a> is a great one. As many have mentioned it uses actual science to explain the perceived discrepancies in the pictures and video. Every one is entitled to an opinion, but if you want to debate it you need proof that can be substantiated, not just pointed at and say "see I am right". Also Buzz punching that guy was funny as hell. That was not the reaction of someone that has been lying for years, that was someone fed up with crazy theories and jerks putting it in his face.

AKA

07-05-2006, 11:19 AM

badorties wrote:  go ask <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuYfZQBa5h0" target="_blank">buzz</a>Yay BUZZ! After having worked at the NTSB, that's the way I feel about Pierre Salinger and his bullshit about TWA 800, not to mention the fuckers who claim the Pentagon wasn't hit by a plane.

Don Stugots

07-05-2006, 01:38 PM

Tall_James wrote: Thanks for the link Perry.  I wanted to see that when it originally aired but missed it and then forgot about it.how old are you?

sr71blackbird

07-05-2006, 01:49 PM

If you had a powerful enough telescope, you can see the lunar lander base and flags still on the moon.

Dirtybird12

07-05-2006, 01:55 PM

abortedfetus wrote: Furtherman wrote: abortedfetus wrote: You would think that if you discovered something totally new you would be making regular trips back to investigate it.  Somehow in 1969 we land on the moon and 40 years later how many times have we been back or attempted to go back?  So basically everything since 1969 has gotten better except our space missions.  If you are not fixing my telephone or television signal stay on earth.First of all, we didn't just discover something totally new.  The moon has always been there for us.Second of all - the reason why we've never gone back.  Two reasons.1) The Space Race - when JFK said we would put a man on the moon and it was a race against the Russians - our space program had unlimited resources and money to do this.  After Russia launched Sputnik and they were first into space, we'd be damned as a country to let that happen again and have Russia get to the moon first.  After we beat them and they were no longer in the running to actually get there, we (meaning congress) started looking at those Apollo mission bills and seeing how expensive they were, funding was cut.  2) The Moon - we got there and discovered it was... well, a dead rock.  We collected some rocks, did some experiments and did all we could do with the equipment and technology that was available.  If we didn't go to the moon then the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station would not be a reality today.We can, and probably will go back, but more for research to see if there is water or ice on the dark side of the moon and to start a moon base as a fueling center for a trip to Mars.  When will this happen?  I guarantee it will kick start another space race once China reaches for it.  And they are well on their way.We haven't been to the moon.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTvZPItszTI&search=fake%20moon" target="_self">LOOK</a>

Furtherman

07-05-2006, 02:06 PM

Ok, I'll bite... I looked.And if you... well... believe that...  then sleep well.  What else can I say?  If believing that crock of shit helps you, so be it.  But be careful who you yell it too - they might think you're coo-coo.

docgoblin

07-05-2006, 02:27 PM

kdubya wrote: The site Judge-smails gave <a href="http://www.clavius.org/">http://www.clavius.org/</a> is a great one. As many have mentioned it uses actual science to explain the perceived discrepancies in the pictures and video. Every one is entitled to an opinion, but if you want to debate it you need proof that can be substantiated, not just pointed at and say "see I am right".  Also Buzz punching that guy was funny as hell. That was not the reaction of someone that has been lying for years, that was someone fed up with crazy theories and jerks putting it in his face. Here's another excellent scientific site to debunk this absurdity:<a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html">http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html</a>Just like the rediculous 9/11 conspiracy theories, this would have been much too difficult to pull off (especially 40 years ago). There would have been thousands of people in on it. Someone legitimate would have blabbed by now. I've never seen any testimony from someone actually involved who said, "We faked it!"

Bulldogcakes

07-05-2006, 02:28 PM

<img border="0" src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMibWPKxEHYEAcVujzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=129an4nku/EXP=1152224854/**http%3a//www.aktionsgeraete.de/sinatrashow/sinatra4.jpg" /> Fly me to the moon, let me plaaaaaay among the stars. Let me know what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars

PapaBear

07-05-2006, 02:31 PM

I suppose they faked Apolo 13, too? A fake disaster that almost ruined NASA... great idea.

sr71blackbird

07-05-2006, 02:52 PM

I found it laughable in the first video when the british girl is trying to explain how the image of the Earth in the window is faked, when everything everyone was doing to capture the image is just what anyone would do to try and capture such a shot.  All the stuff about what was being said on tape seems to not indicate anything unrealistic. The second video seemed to have more compelling images that seem to clash with reality, especually the background stuff and the two hills, but the moons lighting is unlike anything else, because if the reflective quality of the soil.  It is because of that quality that the moon is so bright to us!  People can see by reflected moonlight on earth!  The camera facing a shadowed LEM or astronaut had light reflecting from it or the astronaut holding the camera.  This reflected light illuminated shadowed images.

FUNKMAN

07-05-2006, 03:06 PM

Mary Moon.. she's a vegetarian (Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon) Mary Moon.. will outlive all the septuagenarians (Mary Moon, Mary Moon, Mary Moon)

SatCam

07-05-2006, 03:11 PM

Spy report...

the cow jumping over the moon was a hoax

http://www.our-sma-angels.com/Molly/images/cow2.gif

spy report

abortedfetus

07-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Furtherman wrote:  We haven't been to the moon.  When you do educate yourself, aborted fetus (how telling), please come back and give your reasons.  If they trump mine, then I would be glad to tip my hat to you.Educate myself?  I have a masters in History from Miami University of Ohio. Anytime you want to put your GED up against my degree we can. Unless you went to an Ivy League School or maybe Stanford you should educate yourself. And besides that just because you disagree with what the government and its agencies doesn't make you uneducated.  I could blow up all of your theories with historical fact.  That's what I base my opinion on.  We haven't been to the moon in 35 years.  During this time the Cold War is still raging on and also nobody else has the capabilities to reach the moon?  Highly unlikely.  No England, Germany, Japan, China, France, etc.  I could've swore Bush said we were going back to the moon not too long ago.  How much progress do you think has been made in that endeavor?  And whoever said we will go back once China has the capability to reach it.  That makes absolutely no since whatsoever.  If you could live on the moon it's bigger than anything else ever discovered and you think we'll get motivated once China begins to explore?  I find it very odd that we've gotten ourselves into a war and now space is all the rage.  Does Iran or N. Korea remind you any of Russia?  Probably not to you.  My feeling is that within the next twenty years if we still have problems with N. Korea we'll claim we've been on Mars.  Then they'll say "Oh, well we can and have been as well."  So everybody can stop with the history references.  I do not want to hear about Sputniks, U-2 spy planes, Yuri  Gagarin, Neil Armstrong or anything else cause I already know it. Use your fucking head.  The Soviets reach space and a week later so have we.  How does that not sound like two 9 year olds?  Plus, I'm sure with your high level education you know that there are theories there were two other cosmonauts sent to space before Gagarin with their fates being totally opposite. Thanks.  Come again.

This message was edited by abortedfetus on 7-5-06 @ 9:22 PM

FUNKMAN

07-05-2006, 03:21 PM

<img height="165" src="http://www.honeymooners.net/anim.gif" width="220" border="0" />" one of these days Alice, one of these days "

Don Stugots

07-05-2006, 03:23 PM

PapaBear wrote: I suppose they faked Apolo 13, too? A fake disaster that almost ruined NASA... great idea. silly goose that was a movie.  so yes it was "fake."

furie

07-05-2006, 03:47 PM

the cross hairs make for some compelling evidence

mdr55

07-05-2006, 04:06 PM

<img width="330" height="500" border="0" src="http://image.imgfarm.com/images/gossip/celebrities/0924moon.jpg" /> But her boobsd are real!!

furie

07-05-2006, 04:12 PM

mdr55 wrote: <img width="330" height="500" border="0" src="http://image.imgfarm.com/images/gossip/celebrities/0924moon.jpg" /> But her boobsd are real!! 

better before the surgery

kdubya

07-05-2006, 04:19 PM

I think many of us on here are educated. I have a masters of science, but that is beside the point. That point being one side has hard facts and science behind it, the other has interesting little points that they claim create facts. If someone is educated they know to look at the facts, not go off on hearsay and anecdotal evidence. The points brought up are interesting. The shadow argument seems to make sense until you look at the physics of it, the most important being the surface of the moon is not flat, and a lot of the inconsistencies claimed are due to uneven ground. Also, abortedfetus, you claim you can back it up with facts. What present is an account of what else was going on at the time and what you think makes sense considering the current climate. Your background and education in history gives your perspective much weight, but no one persons persepective can be called fact. As many have said on here if someone can present hard substantiated data I am willing to listen.What do you think old <a title="" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/William_of_Ockham">William of Ockham</a> would have to say about this debate, wich side has the less complex explination?My last point, or more of a question, why do so many conspiracy films use people with British accents   <img src="http://xs103.xs.to/xs103/06274/---ocamsrazor.jpg" border="0" />

This message was edited by kdubya on 7-5-06 @ 8:20 PM

FezPaul

07-05-2006, 04:35 PM

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/dkmoneyshirts.gif "There will always be a moon over Marin."

boeman

07-05-2006, 05:13 PM

abortedfetus wrote: <blockquote />I have a masters in History from Miami University of Ohio. Anytime you want to put your GED up against my degree we can. Unless you went to an Ivy League School or maybe Stanford you should educate yourself.  You had me here...abortedfetus wrote:That makes absolutely no since whatsoever.  But such a huge grammatical mistake from such an educated person... "since" is a word used to show time between to other points... i.e. "I haven't understood anything you've written since you've arrived on our fair message board"The word you were looking for "sense" is a word describing intellectual perception... i.e. The lack of common sense from your post is very apparent. Maybe you should proof read your posts like any educated person would...

Death Metal Moe

07-05-2006, 05:16 PM

I wish everyone would quit it with their Education Pissing contest.No one fucking cares where any of you went to school, what you majored in or  what you do for work now.  Unless any of you are NASA insiders, you know as much as the rest of us about the Moon conspiracy.After trying to see and read both sides, I am still in the "we didn't go" camp.

abortedfetus

07-05-2006, 05:20 PM

boeman wrote: abortedfetus wrote: I have a masters in History from Miami University of Ohio. Anytime you want to put your GED up against my degree we can. Unless you went to an Ivy League School or maybe Stanford you should educate yourself.  You had me here...abortedfetus wrote:That makes absolutely no since whatsoever.  But such a huge grammatical mistake from such an educated person... "since" is a word used to show time between to other points... i.e. "I haven't understood anything you've written since you've arrived on our fair message board"The word you were looking for "sense" is a word describing intellectual perception... i.e. The lack of common sense from your post is very apparent. Maybe you should proof read your posts like any educated person would...TYPOS MAKE ME UNEDUCATED!

boeman

07-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I wish everyone would quit it with their Education Pissing contest.No one fucking cares where any of you went to school, what you majored in or  what you do for work now.  Unless any of you are NASA insiders, you know as much as the rest of us about the Moon conspiracy.After trying to see and read both sides, I am still in the "we didn't go" camp.I'm in the "I don't give a shit" camp... at this point it makes no difference to the fact that the act (either way) did assist in advancing technology tremendously by giving people new goals to shoot for. abortedfetus wrote: TYPOS MAKE ME UNEDUCATED! I never said that, I was merely pointing out the irony of your post bragging about your education.

This message was edited by boeman on 7-5-06 @ 9:26 PM

Gvac

07-05-2006, 05:25 PM

I remember wanting to be an astronaut when I was a kid.Thank God I didn't follow my dream.  I'm an awful liar.

docgoblin

07-05-2006, 05:26 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I wish everyone would quit it with their Education Pissing contest.No one fucking cares where any of you went to school, what you majored in or what you do for work now. Unless any of you are NASA insiders, you know as much as the rest of us about the Moon conspiracy.After trying to see and read both sides, I am still in the "we didn't go" camp. Don't forget... While we're all out here talking about our amazing degrees, Ronny's at home f**king a bag of money... with no degree!Like I said before. To pull off a hoax of this magnitude, involving hundreds, if not thousands, of people, would be nearly impossible without someone blabbing by now. Someone with absolute proof. That person has not come forward, even given the payday that would be theirs. 

This message was edited by docgoblin on 7-5-06 @ 9:27 PM

abortedfetus

07-05-2006, 05:32 PM

boeman wrote: abortedfetus wrote: TYPOS MAKE ME UNEDUCATED! I never said that, I was merely pointing out the irony of your post bragging about your education.This message was edited by boeman on 7-5-06 @ 9:26 PM I was merely defending myself from a previous message.  However, touche.

tele7

07-05-2006, 05:33 PM

I googled that nutjob a few months back.  I'm too lazy to do it again.  He has a shady past and is completely full of shit.

boeman

07-05-2006, 05:35 PM

telecaster7 wrote: I googled that nutjob a few months back.  I'm too lazy to do it again.  He has a shady past and is completely full of shit. I am not a nutjob...

tele7

07-05-2006, 05:59 PM

"Where did you learn that moon landing was fake!?"Outa dis book"<img src="http://www.actwin.com/toaph/life/rascals/brisbain.jpg" border="0" />

kdubya

07-05-2006, 06:09 PM

I think there is one point on folks education that is very valid. abortedfetus went to Miami of Ohio, which is the same school Roger Sweet, the dude that created He-Man went. As far as I am concerned that adds major stroke to his degree. That actually brings up a good point. If the moon landing was fake then how did He-Mans dad get to Eternia?

This message was edited by kdubya on 7-5-06 @ 10:11 PM

tele7

07-05-2006, 06:14 PM

kdubya wrote: I think there is one point on folks education that is very valid. abortedfetus went to Miami of Ohio, which is the same school Roger Sweet, the dude that created He-Man went. As far as I am concerned that adds major stroke to his degree. That actually brings up a good point. If the moon landing was fake then how did He-Mans dad get to Eternia?This message was edited by kdubya on 7-5-06 @ 10:11 PM  Hello, exactly!

Judge Smails

07-05-2006, 06:15 PM

Come to think of it, <a href="http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm" target="_self">The Flat Earth Society</a> puts forth a very convincing argument also.  Wake up!  It's all about the Ether people!

kdubya

07-05-2006, 06:25 PM

Further proof.As you can see from this photo, the shadows allign perfectly, proving this picture to be real. You will also notice the man in the picture is a perfect blend of human and Eternian, the proof is in the hair cut. Also if we were to fake a moon landing, wich would mean He-man doesn't exist why would we show him hanging out with a dude in a wheelchair? The final piece of proof is the star design etched into the lens, it is clearly over top of the image.  That my friends is what we call Rock Solid<img height="700" src="http://xs103.xs.to/xs103/06274/1heman.png" width="466" border="0" />

This message was edited by kdubya on 7-5-06 @ 10:35 PM

tele7

07-05-2006, 06:39 PM

"The phony astronaut can be spotted by his high top sneakers and incredably foul mouth"<img height="180" src="http://www.kikman.de/Logos-Signs/SI-Kent.gif" width="210" border="0" />

Gvac

07-05-2006, 06:57 PM

telecaster7 wrote: "Where did you learn that moon landing was fake!?"Outa dis book"<img border="0" src="http://www.actwin.com/toaph/life/rascals/brisbain.jpg" /> Unbelievable.You have my eternal respect, Tele.

SatCam

07-05-2006, 06:59 PM

A man who was all too real

http://www.thewho.org/moon/keith.jpg

FUNKMAN

07-05-2006, 07:14 PM

narc

07-05-2006, 07:18 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">abortedfetus wrote: Furtherman wrote: We haven't been to the moon. When you do educate yourself, aborted fetus (how telling), please come back and give your reasons. If they trump mine, then I would be glad to tip my hat to you.Educate myself? I have a masters in History from Miami University of Ohio. Anytime you want to put your GED up against my degree we can. Unless you went to an Ivy League School or maybe Stanford you should educate yourself. And besides that just because you disagree with what the government and its agencies doesn't make you uneducated. I could blow up all of your theories with historical fact. That's what I base my opinion on. We haven't been to the moon in 35 years. During this time the Cold War is still raging on and also nobody else has the capabilities to reach the moon? Highly unlikely. No England, Germany, Japan, China, France, etc. I could've swore Bush said we were going back to the moon not too long ago. How much progress do you think has been made in that endeavor? And whoever said we will go back once China has the capability to reach it. That makes absolutely no since whatsoever. If you could live on the moon it's bigger than anything else ever discovered and you think we'll get motivated once China begins to explore? I find it very odd that we've gotten ourselves into a war and now space is all the rage. Does Iran or N. Korea remind you any of Russia? Probably not to you. My feeling is that within the next twenty years if we still have problems with N. Korea we'll claim we've been on Mars. Then they'll say "Oh, well we can and have been as well." So everybody can stop with the history references. I do not want to hear about Sputniks, U-2 spy planes, Yuri Gagarin, Neil Armstrong or anything else cause I already know it. Use your fucking head. The Soviets reach space and a week later so have we. How does that not sound like two 9 year olds? Plus, I'm sure with your high level education you know that there are theories there were two other cosmonauts sent to space before Gagarin with their fates being totally opposite. Thanks. Come again.

This message was edited by abortedfetus on 7-5-06 @ 9:22 PM<hr color="cococo" align="left">

As a fellow historian, I would say you're taking events out of context. I'm not denying there was a pissing contest, because there undoubtedly was one. BUT, that only gives us motive. I don't see how you get from that to the moonlanding being faked without more evidence than the bullshit that's out there. The Space Race was subject to political pressures - but some were more committed than others, which accounts for the fact that we caught up to the Soviets who were ahead of us. There's a whole bunch of other factors that have contributed to us not going back. The decision was made in the 80's to transition to the shuttle program, which has been operating continuously since then, despite the Challenger and Columbia accidents. Those were the only interruptions. Connecting going to space to war just isn't accurate. But the reason they've shifted to an emphasis on shuttles is long term sustainability in space. The plan all along has been shuttles - space station- building better craft in space/building something more permanent on the moon. Plus, how do you account for the whole Apollo 1 blowing up on the tarmac and killing Gus Grissom and Ed White? I suppose that was faked too and they're living out their days in hiding. Or Armstrong really died and Apollo 11 blew up. There's NO credible evidence it was staged.

TheQuestion

07-05-2006, 07:23 PM

Sounds like they've gotten to Narc, too.Stand up to them buddy!  Don't take NASA's strong arm bullshit!

HBox

07-05-2006, 07:29 PM

MMMMMAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!

tele7

07-05-2006, 08:03 PM

Bart Sibrel, the Geraldo of outer space.<a href="http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Bart%20Sibrel.htm">http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Bart%20Sibrel.htm</a>The main guy responsible for the moon hoax videos.p.s.  Buzz Aldrin punched him in the face in 2002.

narc

07-05-2006, 08:34 PM

I really want to know what Jerry thinks about all this. I mean, if ever there was a time when he could actually be topical, it would be in this thread.

This message was edited by narc on 7-6-06 @ 12:34 AM

Furtherman

07-06-2006, 07:05 AM

narc wrote: abortedfetus wrote: Furtherman wrote:  We haven't been to the moon.  When you do educate yourself, aborted fetus (how telling), please come back and give your reasons. If they trump mine, then I would be glad to tip my hat to you.Educate myself? I have a masters in History from Miami University of Ohio.   What a waste.  All those smarts and you believe a whack job who just wants some attention.  We went to the moon.  Thinking otherwise is just naive.As a fellow historian, I would say you're taking events out of context. I'm not denying there was a pissing contest, because there undoubtedly was one. BUT, that only gives us motive. I don't see how you get from that to the moonlanding being faked without more evidence than the bullshit that's out there. The Space Race was subject to political pressures - but some were more committed than others, which accounts for the fact that we caught up to the Soviets who were ahead of us. There's a whole bunch of other factors that have contributed to us not going back. The decision was made in the 80's to transition to the shuttle program, which has been operating continuously since then, despite the Challenger and Columbia accidents. Those were the only interruptions. Connecting going to space to war just isn't accurate. But the reason they've shifted to an emphasis on shuttles is long term sustainability in space. The plan all along has been shuttles - space station- building better craft in space/building something more permanent on the moon. Plus, how do you account for the whole Apollo 1 blowing up on the tarmac and killing Gus Grissom and Ed White? I suppose that was faked too and they're living out their days in hiding. Or Armstrong really died and Apollo 11 blew up. There's NO credible evidence it was staged.  Thank you narc.  Well said.

FUNKMAN

07-06-2006, 09:33 AM

Fake Moon Landing <img src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_RtlHSa1EgXIAbuKjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12eigiiuh/EXP=1152293575/**http%3a//www.zene.net/pictures/pop/milli_vanilli_14_3581.jpg" border="0" />

phixion

07-06-2006, 09:42 AM

ok first of all anyone sho says in space there is only one source of light, the sun, is fucking retard. the moon itself is a light source. it reflects sun light extremely well so that people for thousands of years were able to travel without a flashlight. secondly and should be finally there is an experiment that is being carried out to this day on the moon.  it involves lasers being refracted and some other shit that i just dont remember, but that doesnt matter cause that laser is pointed toward earth and right now there are scientists who all are making  living staring at the laser coming from the moon, if you want you could find these guys and ask to see the laser and they would let you. period.  thank you mr d 'antoni and high school physics.

Furtherman

07-06-2006, 10:08 AM

phixion wrote: secondly and should be finally there is an experiment that is being carried out to this day on the moon.  it involves lasers being refracted and some other shit that i just dont remember, but that doesnt matter cause that laser is pointed toward earth and right now there are scientists who all are making  living staring at the laser coming from the moon, if you want you could find these guys and ask to see the laser and they would let you. period.  EXCELLENT point phixion!  I had forgotton about that, and yes, it is the end all of a dumb argument.<img height="277" src="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/images/llr/lrcubed1_med.jpg" width="270" border="0" />It is used to measure the distance between the Earth and the Moon.  Sort of a space sonar, whereas with a lazer, we can "ping" that mirror and the returning photons can be measured.

East Side Dave

07-06-2006, 10:48 AM

i can't make my mind up---did it happen? did it not happen? who can tell, at this point.........[color=White]THE X-FILES IS RIGHT. WE ARE ENGULFED IN AN INTERNATIONAL CONSIPIRACY THEORY THAT SPREADS THROUGH THE LANDS OF EARTH AND ENCAPSULES HUMANITY IN AND OF ITSELF end whtie text[/White]......can't make up my mind.

Dougie Brootal

07-06-2006, 10:49 AM

Furtherman wrote: phixion wrote: secondly and should be finally there is an experiment that is being carried out to this day on the moon.  it involves lasers being refracted and some other shit that i just dont remember, but that doesnt matter cause that laser is pointed toward earth and right now there are scientists who all are making  living staring at the laser coming from the moon, if you want you could find these guys and ask to see the laser and they would let you. period.  EXCELLENT point phixion!  I had forgotton about that, and yes, it is the end all of a dumb argument.<img height="277" src="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/images/llr/lrcubed1_med.jpg" width="270" border="0" />It is used to measure the distance between the Earth and the Moon.  Sort of a space sonar, whereas with a lazer, we can "ping" that mirror and the returning photons can be measured."fire zee LAY-ZAA!!!!"<img src="http://www.austinpowers.com/objects/images/frausurprise.jpg" border="0" />

tele7

07-06-2006, 01:14 PM

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