Kenneth Lay Dead [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

FMJeff

07-05-2006, 06:21 AM

<a href="http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou060705_mh_laybio.29d73d64.html">http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou060705_mh_laybio.29d73d64.html</a>Now I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but if I was facing a prison sentence like that I'd fake my own death too. Somebody better be checking and re-checking that coffin.

A.J.

07-05-2006, 06:28 AM

They better do that before they Lay him to rest.

Sheeplovr

07-05-2006, 06:31 AM

holy shit I guess he was going to talk so they killed himholy shit manthats fucked upthis is so murder 
 

This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 7-5-06 @ 10:33 AM

booster11373

07-05-2006, 06:42 AM

This will give conspiracy theorists new material for years. I for one will believe it.

Earlshog

07-05-2006, 06:46 AM

I worked for Enron for a couple months when they bought the company I worked for in 2000. I lost a pretty nice chunk of change when the stock tanked. Its still so hard to beleive a man who once had such stature wound up with this ending

Dirtybird12

07-05-2006, 06:57 AM

Faked his own death with help from the Government. OR was going to talk and someone shut him up. Either way - another rich white guy gets off

This message was edited by CircusFreak on 7-5-06 @ 10:57 AM

TheQuestion

07-05-2006, 07:10 AM

I hope they continue making his delicious potato chips.

AKA

07-05-2006, 07:21 AM

<img height="238" src="http://www.dealbreaker.com/images/entries/lperry.jpg" width="360" border="0" />Ah, well.

booster11373

07-05-2006, 07:26 AM

I truly feel that's cases like these should be capitol crimes with the death penalty as a consequence if convicted. Not that it would ever happen

Jujubees2

07-05-2006, 07:38 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">TheQuestion wrote: I hope they continue making his delicious potato chips. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

FUNKMAN

07-05-2006, 08:16 AM

his heart had a blackout

badorties

07-05-2006, 09:50 AM

eager drudge jumped the gun a bit <img src="http://www.gawker.com/images/2006/07/drudge.jpg" border="0" /> i guess he was hoping that there was a new vince foster to hype

kdubya

07-05-2006, 11:07 AM

I am not a conspiracy guy, but that is some pretty crazy timing, and I must say with the current administration in power I would not rule out some kind of crazy "deal" between Lay and the White House. But then again maybe he just died.<img src="http://xs103.xs.to/xs103/06273/occum.jpg" border="0" />

Don Stugots

07-05-2006, 01:12 PM

TheQuestion wrote: I hope they continue making his delicious potato chips. god damn thats a good line.  i got nothing after i seen that.

Se7en

07-05-2006, 01:42 PM

kdubya wrote: I am not a conspiracy guy, but that is some pretty crazy timing, and I must say with the current administration in power I would not rule out some kind of crazy "deal" between Lay and the White House. But then again maybe he just died.  Come on.  I really am actually stunned that people are having a hard time believing that a man in his 60s, who just got done with the stress of a criminal trial in which he was found guilty, about to be sentenced to federal prison for what would likely be the remainder of his natural life, could have a heart attack and die because of all of the shit he's dealing with.Fucking christ, people, I know conspiracy theories are wacky and fun, but at some point you have to start living in reality, even if it isn't as much fun.

Bulldogcakes

07-05-2006, 02:17 PM

I say keep his coffin in a jail cell.

PapaBear

07-05-2006, 02:25 PM

I guess his prison sentence has been de Lay'd.

Bulldogcakes

07-05-2006, 02:30 PM

His wife is named "Linda Lay"? Didn't she star in Deepthroat?

SinA

07-05-2006, 08:17 PM

CNN has video of the autopsy?  (the rest of the news is fucked up too, esp. pig heads and kittens)<img height="456" src="http://webpages.charter.net/s_a/c.images/news.jpg" width="643" border="0" />

mikeyboy

07-05-2006, 08:19 PM

Se7en wrote: kdubya wrote: I am not a conspiracy guy, but that is some pretty crazy timing, and I must say with the current administration in power I would not rule out some kind of crazy "deal" between Lay and the White House. But then again maybe he just died.  Come on.  I really am actually stunned that people are having a hard time believing that a man in his 60s, who just got done with the stress of a criminal trial in which he was found guilty, about to be sentenced to federal prison for what would likely be the remainder of his natural life, could have a heart attack and die because of all of the shit he's dealing with.Fucking christ, people, I know conspiracy theories are wacky and fun, but at some point you have to start living in reality, even if it isn't as much fun.As much as agreeing with Se7en gives me hives, I have to concur.

Tenbatsuzen

07-05-2006, 08:28 PM

As a dumb question, how much jail time was Lay realistically looking at?  I mean, he wasn't going to a Supermax pen... he'd ben in a white collar minimum security joint.

tele7

07-05-2006, 08:35 PM

"HOUSTON - Kenneth Lay, the founder of Enron Corp. who ascended to the pinnacle of American business only to tumble into disgrace, died of a heart attack on Wednesday. He was 64.Lay, 64, faced the prospect of the rest of his life in prison after his conviction May 25 of fraud and conspiracy in one of the biggest debacles in American corporate history."

kdubya

07-05-2006, 08:46 PM

mikeyboy wrote: Se7en wrote: kdubya wrote: I am not a conspiracy guy, but that is some pretty crazy timing, and I must say with the current administration in power I would not rule out some kind of crazy "deal" between Lay and the White House. But then again maybe he just died.  Come on.  I really am actually stunned that people are having a hard time believing that a man in his 60s, who just got done with the stress of a criminal trial in which he was found guilty, about to be sentenced to federal prison for what would likely be the remainder of his natural life, could have a heart attack and die because of all of the shit he's dealing with.Fucking christ, people, I know conspiracy theories are wacky and fun, but at some point you have to start living in reality, even if it isn't as much fun.As much as agreeing with Se7en gives me hives, I have to concur.Sorry, I guess I was to subtle. The last line and the Occam's Razor picture were meant to imply my first statement was full of shit. As they say, when all facts are in, and all thing being equal, the simpliest explination is usualy the right one, in this case and old guy had a heart attack.

Bulldogcakes

07-06-2006, 02:53 PM

Best Ken Lay joke I heard today"Jeffery Skilling said today that Kens lay's health is just fine, and no need for investors to worry about it"

bobrobot

07-06-2006, 04:21 PM

HIYA SATAN!!!<img height="330" src="http://www.pdc.co.il/ken_lay1.jpg" width="450" border="0" />

Legolas

07-06-2006, 04:51 PM

kdubya wrote: mikeyboy wrote: Se7en wrote: kdubya wrote: I am not a conspiracy guy, but that is some pretty crazy timing, and I must say with the current administration in power I would not rule out some kind of crazy "deal" between Lay and the White House. But then again maybe he just died.  Come on.  I really am actually stunned that people are having a hard time believing that a man in his 60s, who just got done with the stress of a criminal trial in which he was found guilty, about to be sentenced to federal prison for what would likely be the remainder of his natural life, could have a heart attack and die because of all of the shit he's dealing with.Fucking christ, people, I know conspiracy theories are wacky and fun, but at some point you have to start living in reality, even if it isn't as much fun.As much as agreeing with Se7en gives me hives, I have to concur.Sorry, I guess I was to subtle. The last line and the Occam's Razor picture were meant to imply my first statement was full of shit. As they say, when all facts are in, and all thing being equal, the simpliest explination is usualy the right one, in this case and old guy had a heart attack.Occam's Razor to me is like the scientist's version of "Because the it's in the Bible"

cheeseman

07-06-2006, 04:54 PM

hip, hip, hoorrraay

Reephdweller

07-06-2006, 05:03 PM

kdubya

07-06-2006, 05:33 PM

Legolas wrote: Occam's Razor to me is like the scientist's version of "Because the it's in the Bible"How so? Occam's Razor is just a fancy way of using common sense.

OGC

07-06-2006, 06:15 PM

In the next few years there will no doubt be many people screaming conspiracy about this. If there is anyone out there who even has a thought that this may be a conspiracy, this question is to you.What would it take right now to convince you that it isn't a conspiracy ? Is there anything that the government could do to silence the naysayers ? An autopsy ?  Photos of the body ? DNA test ? What would it take?

FUNKMAN

07-06-2006, 06:19 PM

now skilling is gonna have to take two cocks...

kdubya

07-06-2006, 08:27 PM

richg0404 wrote: In the next few years there will no doubt be many people screaming conspiracy about this. If there is anyone out there who even has a thought that this may be a conspiracy, this question is to you.What would it take right now to convince you that it isn't a conspiracy ? Is there anything that the government could do to silence the naysayers ? An autopsy ?  Photos of the body ? DNA test ? What would it take?The thing about conspiracy people is that no matter how many facts you pressent it doesn't matter to them. Take a look at the fake moon landing thread for proof of that.

UnknownPD

07-07-2006, 08:12 AM

The thing about conspiracy people is that no matter how many facts you pressent it doesn't matter to them. Take a look at the fake moon landing thread for proof of that.see: Vince Foster

SinA

07-07-2006, 09:38 AM

kdubya wrote: Legolas wrote: Occam's Razor to me is like the scientist's version of "Because the it's in the Bible"How so? Occam's Razor is just a fancy way of using common sense.It's also called the Principle of Parsimony.  The more steps involved in a process, the more likely there will be an error.  If you gave someone directions to your house for the first time, you give the simplest way, not the secret-ninja way behind the A&P you take during rush-hour.And the philosophical equivalent of "because it's in the Bible" is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager" target="_blank">Pascal's Wager,</a> not Occam's Razor.

Furtherman

07-07-2006, 09:42 AM

SinA wrote: not the secret-ninja way behind the A&P you take during rush-hour.You know that way too?  Damn it!

Jujubees2

07-07-2006, 10:05 AM

How's this for a kick in the ass.  Lay may have his conviction erased and not have to pay any of the fines.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13741485/from/RS.1/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13741485/from/RS.1/</a>

OGC

07-07-2006, 10:14 AM

kdubya wrote: The thing about conspiracy people is that no matter how many facts you pressent it doesn't matter to them. Take a look at the fake moon landing thread for proof of that. Yup, that is exactly the reason I asked the question.

Se7en

07-08-2006, 11:03 AM

This just in, Howard Dean says "We question the timing of Ken Lay's death."Seriously, conspiracy theories "in a few years"?  Try right now.  The crazies on the far-left seem to have two different theories on Lay's death, either a) Bush faked his death so that Lay wouldn't "talk about what he knew", or b) Bush had him killed in order to prevent him talking.  The real truth is that Lay was killed by Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe in the Conservatory.

Legolas

07-08-2006, 11:22 AM

kdubya wrote: Legolas wrote: Occam's Razor to me is like the scientist's version of "Because the it's in the Bible"How so? Occam's Razor is just a fancy way of using common sense.Not the way I see it.  Common sense is just what people believe to be true at the time; it's always changing.

Legolas

07-08-2006, 11:30 AM

SinA wrote: kdubya wrote: Legolas wrote: Occam's Razor to me is like the scientist's version of "Because the it's in the Bible"How so? Occam's Razor is just a fancy way of using common sense.It's also called the Principle of Parsimony.  The more steps involved in a process, the more likely there will be an error.  If you gave someone directions to your house for the first time, you give the simplest way, not the secret-ninja way behind the A&P you take during rush-hour.And the philosophical equivalent of "because it's in the Bible" is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager" target="_blank">Pascal's Wager,</a> not Occam's Razor.To me it's Occam's Razor. People have the tendency to throw it out there like it's the acid test for whether or not something is possible.Whenever I hear someone use it flags go up.Lazy ass, non-seeing the possibilities, non-wonder havin, closed mind motherfuckers!!! <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />

A.J.

07-10-2006, 04:39 AM

Se7en wrote: This just in, Howard Dean says "We question the timing of Ken Lay's death."Apparently his death didn't take much time at all.

Furtherman

07-10-2006, 06:53 AM

Funny cartoon in the Post today.Tombstone reads: Here Lay Ken LiesMan says: Typo?Other man says: Hard to say.

mendyweiss

07-12-2006, 10:07 AM

hmmm<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_banker_death">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_banker_death</a>

Dirtybird12

07-12-2006, 10:45 AM

mendyweiss wrote: hmmm<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_banker_death">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_banker_death</a>yikes. nice pull

suggums

07-12-2006, 11:22 AM

CircusFreak wrote: mendyweiss wrote: hmmm<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_banker_death">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_eu/britain_banker_death</a>yikes. nice pull  whats not a conspiracy these days? anything relating to the corporatocracy?

Furtherman

07-12-2006, 11:59 AM

You gotta admit, that is really creepy.

Jujubees2

07-13-2006, 05:51 AM

What the F is that reverand smoking?  Comparing Kenny Boy to MLK and Jesus?  You've got to be kidding me.  I mean I don't expect them to bad mouth Kenny Boy at his funeral, but to glorify him?<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/lay.reut/index.htm?section=cnn_topstories">http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/lay.reut/index.htm?section=cnn_topstories</a>

Yerdaddy

10-18-2006, 02:14 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: How's this for a kick in the ass.  Lay may have his conviction erased and not have to pay any of the fines.<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13741485/from/RS.1/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13741485/from/RS.1/</a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101700808_pf.html" target="_blank">Done and done.</a>A federal judge in Houston yesterday wiped away the fraud and conspiracy conviction of Kenneth L. Lay, the Enron Corp. founder who died of heart disease in July, bowing to decades of legal precedent but frustrating government attempts to seize nearly $44 million from his family.The ruling worried employees and investors who lost billions of dollars when the Houston energy-trading company filed for bankruptcy protection in December 2001. It also came more than a week after Congress recessed for the November elections without acting on a last-ditch Justice Department proposal that would have changed the law to allow prosecutors to seize millions of dollars in investments and other assets that Lay controlled.With the judge's order, Lay's conviction on 10 criminal charges will be erased from the record. "The indictment against Kenneth L. Lay is dismissed," U.S. District Judge Simeon T. Lake III wrote in a spare, 13-page order.Legal analysts said Lake's ruling closely hewed to a long-held doctrine called abatement, which allows a conviction to be vacated if defendants die before they are able to exercise their right to appeal. Courts typically rule that defendants' constitutional rights to challenge their convictions outweigh other considerations, and the law hesitates to punish the dead, the analysts said.Samuel J. Buffone, a Washington-based lawyer for Lay, said the family was pleased with the ruling. "As far as we're concerned, this is the last step," Buffone said. "It's as if the indictment never occurred."Regulators at the Securities and Exchange Commission still may pursue their civil case against Lay's estate, but their task will be more difficult because they can no longer introduce the fact of his conviction and instead must prove again, in a resource-intensive trial, that he broke the law. The SEC case has been stayed pending resolution of the status of Lay's criminal conviction. The agency's five commissioners must decide in the weeks to come whether to proceed against Lay's estate.In recent weeks, Lay's family paid an undisclosed sum to settle a smaller civil case filed by former Enron employees over their pension and retirement funds.Ken Horton, a former Enron manager who was laid off alongside thousands of others in December 2001, said he had steeled himself for the conviction to be extinguished after word of Lay's death three months ago. But Horton, who pegged his retirement and savings plan losses in the six-figure range, expressed "great" concern that he and former colleagues would never be made whole financially. Horton said he has received only $4,000 to date."If I got 10 cents on the dollar, I would be elated," Horton said.As usual, the regular folks continue to get fucked.

bobrobot

10-18-2006, 03:42 PM

Small loss, he was a bad Lay anyway...<img height="240" src="http://static.flickr.com/56/162634336_adba6d7284_m.jpg" width="180" border="0" />