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Fallon

07-21-2006, 10:25 AM

Went to see it this morning ($6 tix before Noon) before work and it was great. Some really funny shit I can't mention here because I wouldn't want to spoil it for others.

terry1979

07-21-2006, 10:59 AM

going tonight....can't wait

Coach

07-21-2006, 11:01 AM

Not playing anywhere around me :( :(

terry1979

07-21-2006, 11:04 AM

Coach wrote: Not playing anywhere around me <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smilefrown2.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smilefrown2.gif" border="0" /> looks like someone didn't think this Montana thing through too well...

furie

07-21-2006, 01:18 PM

i liked it

SatCam

07-21-2006, 02:49 PM

Joel Siegel says Clerks II left him hungry for more

SinA

07-21-2006, 04:08 PM

SatCam wrote: Joel Siegel says Clerks II left him hungry for more <a href="http://www.break.com/index/kevin_smith_vs_joel_siegel.html">http://www.break.com/index/kevin_smith_vs_joel_siegel.html</a>in case you missed it

Tenbatsuzen

07-21-2006, 08:14 PM

Saw it, enjoyed it very much. I really have to wonder why Jeff Anderson hasn't gotten work in TV or something. He really does have some decent comedic timing. 

This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 7-22-06 @ 12:17 AM

TheGameHHH

07-21-2006, 09:38 PM

saw it tonight, loved it! It absolutly exceeded my expectations. Kevin really did a great job, and Tenbats I totally agree with you about Anderson.

Snoogans

07-21-2006, 09:39 PM

im goin tomorrow at noon, so shut the fuck up

Justice4all

07-21-2006, 10:39 PM

You would think that with a name like Snoogans he would have been at the first showing for THIS movie above all others. 

Snoogans

07-21-2006, 10:42 PM

Justice4all wrote: You would think that with a name like Snoogans he would have been at the first showing for THIS movie above all others.   yea except im probably the only person called snoogans, besides jay, who has a job

Coach

07-22-2006, 12:22 AM

Neener neener neener...playing at the drive in...just need to find a date to avoid from seeming like a creep!

PapaBear

07-22-2006, 12:47 AM

Coach wrote: Neener neener neener...playing at the drive in...just need to find a date to avoid from seeming like a creep! <img height="200" src="http://www.spinningfiber.net/images/lamb01.jpg" width="160" border="0" />

Coach

07-22-2006, 12:55 AM

PapaBear wrote: Coach wrote: Neener neener neener...playing at the drive in...just need to find a date to avoid from seeming like a creep! <img height="200" src="http://www.spinningfiber.net/images/lamb01.jpg" width="160" border="0" />Shhhh!<a href="http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2006/07/11/newsbutte/hjjdjciijcggje.txt">http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2006/07/11/newsbutte/hjjdjciijcggje.txt</a>

terryc35

07-22-2006, 03:40 AM

funny shit....disturbing at times, but funny as hell!!!

chili

07-22-2006, 10:14 AM

I just saw it this morning. Fucking hilarious. The dialogue was fantastic, the acting was so-so. I, as usual, went to the whitest theater here in Atlanta that I could get to, and it was still awkard when the 'n' word and porch monkey scenes were on, I love those tense theater moments. The film was fantastic.

JimBeam

07-22-2006, 11:53 AM

I saw some pieces of a show they were doing on VH1 Classics about the movie.In one scene it looked like the premise was that Randal was in a way " in love " with Dante and that the g/f resented it.I hope they don't play that up too much because that's too similar to Smith's angle in Chasing Amy w/ jason lee & Affleck.I had read about the Siegel/Smith thing the other day on WWTDD.Durden had some good takes on Smith.I have enjoyed most of these movies ( Clerks, Chasing Amy, Mall Rats, Dogma & Jay & Bob Strike back ) and have never even attempted to watch any of his others ( Jersey Girl, not sure if there were any others ) but i can see how some of his stuff is getting tired. A lot like why I find Howard Stern to be unfunny these days. I've seen all the jokes already.I'll prob go see this and I'm sure I'll laugh.

chili

07-22-2006, 02:27 PM

JimBeam, I would say that the characters are getting tired, I don't see him being able to make any more films with them unless some drastic changes occur. I did thoroughly enjoy Clerks II, however. As for the storylines, I'm not giving anything away by saying that Dante is engaged and getting ready to move to Florida to live with his fiance and her family. The crisis occurs when he has to question whether he wants that life or a New Jersey existence.

chili

07-22-2006, 02:32 PM

I will add that there is a Jay impersonation of Jame Gumb to "Goodbye Horses" that is just a little bit more funny if you're familiar with O&A's obsession with that guy, it was hilarious.

patsopinion

07-22-2006, 02:35 PM

chasing amy vs monty pyton, but gayer.  And why the fuck didnt
those to go to acting classes during that huge dryspell between movies.First min i says to my buddie is said "So they didnt get better at acting"other then that its 5 stars.    
That and they gayness.  It was beyond gay jokes, it was kinna
creepy like 2 men crying while standing at an alter about to become fag
and fag kinna gay.  But only for a min again 5 stars

FMJeff

07-22-2006, 08:56 PM

I didn't like it. 1) For one, it did a lot of sentimental pandering, and I mean a LOT. Smith even resorted to montages, MONTAGES, of weepy emotionalism set to early 90's hits by Smashing Pumpkins, Alanis Morisette and Soul Asylum. There were moments which I'm sure intended to portray real human drama but utterly failed to deliver, mainly because they were sandwiched between bestiality and corny observations about the rancor between fans of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. It takes a really smart script and an equally smart director to walk that line and Kevin Smith is just not up to the task. 2) I found it a little insulting to my intelligence that Randal, schooled in racial slurs and pop culture as he is, was not aware that porch monkey was a black racial slur. It's just stupid. 3) I guess my biggest gripe with the movie was the love affair between Dante and Becky. Maybe it's just me but everytime I look at Dante's face I throw up a little in my mouth. I just didn't buy a woman as beautiful and down to earth as she was written to be ever being in love with a compromising, spineless bore...as he was written to be. 4) Do the Silence of the Lambs Joke once, funny and fresh. Do it twice and you're basically saying you can't come up with a new joke. Oh, and don't tell me someone with money to finance a new Quick Stop shop is still going to be slinging pot on the street to make money. Oh, and no Jay tag lines. I don't know why, but going an entire movie without hearing Snoochie Boochies was a real fucking dissapointment. 5) Jason Lee's cameo sucked. Why invent a whole new character, set up a potential storyline, and not follow through? Why, after what I imagine to be a daily reminder of his status in life, would Randall be offended by a random guy walking in and telling him how much his life sucks? I thought he likes his life, and was confident in it. To see him shaken up like that did not ring true to me. At all. 6) Ben Affleck. Why? Two words? Then gone? 7) Dante's fiance. Painting her as a controlling not-so-bitch was just bad storytelling. It's one thing to make her the evil character, to give us a clear black and white choice between a life of pampering in Florida and a life of hard work and real love in New Jersey, I can see that. But to paint her as gray, not being a bitch, so much as taking a man who is clearly directionless and giving him direction, than fucking her over in the end for the hotter of the two female leads, that was just a masterstroke of bad storytelling. See Saving Silverman. At least there it was done right, even if it wasn't entertaining. You don't get points for setting up real characters and fucking them over like that. 8) The Donkey Scene. I listened to the entire audience during that scene. The laughs were few and far between. Maybe it's just me, but it takes something a little smarter than a dominatrix fat man sucking donkey cock to pass as comedy. It was clearly shock me shock me humor and I wasn't shocked, which again, says a lot about me. 9) The Go-Cart scene? Why? At all? 10) Exposition. Too much fucking mindless babble. The prison scene is the perfect example of unfocused dialogue. Sentimentality with stupid comedy and homosexual slurs throwin in to alleviate the tension of two grown men sharing thier feelings. It was stupid and obvious pandering. What he basically did, and this is the most insulting part, was take Rosario Dawson, who is absolutely beautiful, and use her star power and screen presence to sucker guys in to seeing this movie. It's clear in the posters that this was his intention. All of them have her at the forefront, looking cute, even one in tight black leather. He banked on her sex appeal, and presented her as the obvious fucking choice, cute, sexual, into freaky shit, down with crude humor, the every girl every man wants. He did it with Chasing Amy. He's doing it again here. I don't like it. It's insulting to me. I guess what I'm trying to say is a lot of the ideas just

Tenbatsuzen

07-22-2006, 09:12 PM

To follow up on Jeff's point about the grey area of Emma's character, what was she doing? Bringing a food item that she made herself to Dante at Work - the SAME thing that Silent Bob TOLD Dante made a woman special in the original Clerks. Weird dichotomy there.

newport king

07-22-2006, 09:52 PM

What he basically did, and this is the most insulting part, was take Rosario Dawson, who is absolutely beautiful, and use her star power and screen presence to sucker guys in to seeing this movie.not having seen the movie i can't argue any of your points except what you wrote above. I assume she is the "star" of the movie or at least the biggest "star" in the movie. i don't think he needed to sucker anyone into seeing anything. he already has a strong built in following with these movies. ask most people age 15 to 30 chances are they know who kevin smith and his movies. and i see it i may not agree with what you said, but i would fight to the death for your right to say it.

CovDiesel

07-22-2006, 10:15 PM

I couldn't disagree more with FMJeff... I left that theater saying this movie far exceeded my expectations and could not had been happier with it.  The porch monkey stuff was very funny.  VERY FUNNY.  Kevin Smith wrote a scene using every slur imaginable because it simply isn't done today in mainstream cinema unless it's used in a violent expression... this was done in humor and it succeeded.  It worked.  As far as Dante's fiance goes, the character was perfect.  Everyone knows a girl like that.  Everyone knows a guy who is in a relationship with a girl who makes decisions for him and he allows her to do it when he shouldn't.  It's the same guy who stays home on Sunday instead of going to the bar to watch football.   As far as Rosario Dawson and her sex appeal selling this movie?  I just dont see it.  Is she sexy as hell?  Of course.  Nothing about this movie used her sex appeal to move the plot.  She was good in this role and adapted to Smith's dialogue well. On to Jeff Anderson who put on a brilliant performance in the reprise of Randal.  This character is the funniest character Smith has written, which is no surprise because when he wrote the Clerks, he intended to play the role himself due to all the best lines being Randal's.  The comedic timing of Anderson carried this film.  The theater I was in got all the jokes... it was a sell out and a crowd well versed in the Askewniverse. The go-carts were poigniant.  It was a great way to show despite all the shit going on in these guys' lives, the last day you have with your buddy brings you to a place of simplicity... a place where there aren't any stresses.  I thought it was maybe the best shot scene in the movie and also gave similar insight into these characters as the hockey game did in the original Clerks.  It just serves as a visual way to understand our characters psyche a little better. Jason Lee in the movie served the same purpose as Affleck... they're buddies with Smith.  If you were Kevin Smith and you could get your two friends who are huge stars to appear in your flick in a cameo that you know will make people chuckle, then why not?  I like seeing Affleck and Lee in these films... I think it's a testimony to their roots.  Neither has to do it, but when I watch these films, I get a feeling of friendship between them all... they want to be there.  In a world of Hollywood where that isn't the norm, I applaud it.  Despite most of the world's opinion, I also think Affleck could play any character out there(even the shark in Jaws).    Jason Mewes had no Snootchie Bootchie lines, but he had scenes that STOLE the flick.  The mangina, the singing in the beginning... he was on top of his game.  As far as the money goes to re-open the quick stop... It comes from likeness rights for the Bluntman and Cronic film and comic book... as far as linear story telling goes, they would still have this money.  Them still selling cronic?  It's what these guys do.  You wouldn't like it if they were corporate characters?  So why not just stay with it and laugh at what they are, but stay focused that they have money based on when we saw them last?I thought the film was great.  It was some of the funniest dialogue I've heard in 10 years.  I didn't go into it expecting a great work of cinema.  I went into it expecting dick and fart jokes... I got more than I expected. At the conclusion of the show, the audience broke into a round of applause.  I have not seen that in years.  So while it isn't for everybody, it certainly was for me and appears to be for a lot of folks as well.

TheMojoPin

07-22-2006, 10:21 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: To follow up on Jeff's point about the grey area of Emma's character, what was she doing? Bringing a food item that she made herself to Dante at Work - the SAME thing that Silent Bob TOLD Dante made a woman special in the original Clerks. Weird dichotomy there.Wow, great fucking point, I completely missed that...I wonder if Smith did, too, because that's a pretty big slap to the face of the first film.And Jeff, just one point...Lee's character sent Randall into the tailspin because he wasn't "just some random guy."  He was a guy Randall mocked mercilessly in school who know is a multi-millionaire while Randall is slinging burgers and sliding into middle age.  That's not random at all.

chili

07-23-2006, 12:18 AM

Jesus FMJeff, what a fucking Pickey Pete you are. What kind of movies do you like? I'm not saying Clerks II was perfect, but you kind of demolished a decent film.

MHasegawa

07-23-2006, 02:22 AM

hes mr. too cool for the room

fezident

07-23-2006, 04:47 AM

Meh.I saw it, and I thought it was just okay.I think it was a decent Kevin Smith movie but, perhaps, I have just outgrown my love for Kevin Smith movies.  The humor just didn't do it for me this (5th) time around.  This is exactly what happened to me with Howard Stern and also with Opie & Anthony.  First I love 'em.... then I start getting all the little in-jokes....then it shifts from "comfort zone" to "predictable"... then I start to know what they're gonna say and do before they even say or do it.  Then I just tune out. Maybe if these movies were released closer together I would've LOVED this installment.  But, to wait 10 years, for a movie that doesn't break any new ground?!  I'm just not feelin' it.As I said earlier, I just outgrew it.

Doctor Manhattan

07-23-2006, 06:54 AM

What he basically did, and this is the most insulting part, was take Rosario Dawson, who is absolutely beautiful, and use her star power and screen presence to sucker guys in to seeing this movie.Does she have "star power"?And great point about "Mrs Dante Hicks" bringing Dante food to his work. How can Smith have missed that? If Kevin missed it, how can his whole file crew and cast (who I assume either worked on Clerks, or has seen it recently) missed it and didn't mention it to him? Kevin is a sloppy writer with a fat daughter (Dante waved to her during the smashing pumpkins scene) and a fat mother (Milk lady at the end of the film) and a really skinny wife (Emma)Pussy Trolls? Jesus!

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:14 AM

Maybe the point was this...Veronica was slightly controlling Dante as well - pressuring him to go back to school.  She was a good person, but trying to control Dante's life instead of letting him make his own decisions.  I think Emma was shown in the same way.  Not the perfect woman, not a horrible woman, but a woman who is basically good.  Showing that all women are flawed, just like all men are flawed. Veronica, Caitlin, Becky, and Emma all had the same exact dynamic with Randal.  It was Smith illustrating that Emma was NOT a bitch.  She was a good person, who got wronged because her boyfriend cheated on her, because again - Dante was looking for something else who wasn't Emma.Emma loved Dante, but Dante loved what Emma represented.  He loved Becky, but was so put off by Becky's facade about true love that he didn't act on it until en vino veritas.  Also, knowing that RST Video has a major porn collection, WHY THE HELL DID THEY HIRE ELIAS? And for what it's worth, in this day and age, what Bank would have approved a loan for a video store? There's a reason why the real RST closed.  Netflix and Blockbuster and TIVO put 'em out of business.

epo

07-23-2006, 08:19 AM

chili wrote: JimBeam, I would say that the characters are getting tired, I don't see him being able to make any more films with them unless some drastic changes occur. I did thoroughly enjoy Clerks II, however. As for the storylines, I'm not giving anything away by saying that Dante is engaged and getting ready to move to Florida to live with his fiance and her family. The crisis occurs when he has to question whether he wants that life or a New Jersey existence. Let's face it, the $ is what drives the studios.  Smith delivers Clerks II for something like $2 million and the first weekend the entire project turns a huge profit.  Plus the subsequent run on screens, plus budget screens, plus the DVD take.  For the Weinstein Brothers this is greatest type of movie on their schedule, a low risk, high yield bankable commodity with a built-in audience.   If Smith wants to recycle the same characters inside the Quick Stop with the milk maid, Harvey Weinstein will send him a check tomorrow.

FMJeff

07-23-2006, 08:23 AM

MHasegawa wrote: hes mr. too cool for the room That makes no sense. For questioning a movie everybody says I'm supposed to laugh at? I didn't find it funny, I didn't find it poignant, it was pandering and extremely sappy. Stop trying to sell me conveniently gift wrapped life lessons between dick jokes and displays of bestiality. It's something you learn, not something you're explained through 2 pages of sappy dialogue.

epo

07-23-2006, 08:45 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote:  What he basically did, and this is the most insulting part, was take Rosario Dawson, who is absolutely beautiful, and use her star power and screen presence to sucker guys in to seeing this movie.  Does she have "star power"?And great point about "Mrs Dante Hicks" bringing Dante food to his work. How can Smith have missed that? If Kevin missed it, how can his whole file crew and cast (who I assume either worked on Clerks, or has seen it recently) missed it and didn't mention it to him? Kevin is a sloppy writer with a fat daughter (Dante waved to her during the smashing pumpkins scene) and a fat mother (Milk lady at the end of the film) and a really skinny wife (Emma)Pussy Trolls? Jesus!Why hate on Kevin Smith's family to make a point about his lack of narrative structure writing skills?

davidb72

07-23-2006, 11:17 AM

I enjoyed it tremendously. Who is going to get the screen name "Pillow Pants"???

cougarjake13

07-23-2006, 01:31 PM

i liked the movie , it had some funny partsbut are we to believe that theres only 4 employees at moobys and they all work the open and closing shifts ???and when jason lee came onscreen all i could think was thats earl dressed a lil nicer, and other than affleck probably being in most if not all of smiths movies, what was the point of having him ?<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 02:01 PM

davidb72 wrote: I enjoyed it tremendously. Who is going to get the screen name "Pillow Pants"???    Listerfiend!

Doctor Manhattan

07-23-2006, 03:50 PM

Why hate on Kevin Smith's family to make a point about his lack of narrative structure writing skills?  It was a cheap shot. I know, but you forgot: and a really skinny wife (Emma)  Kevin Smith has made 7 films now. Clerks II had some funny stuff, but he hasn't really made a truely good film yet since Clerks I (Chasing Amy showed promise, Dogma showed promise, the other askewniverse films had some good jokes, but were not good films)He is still a funny guy (The Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs are great, he's wonderful on O&A)

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 7-24-06 @ 8:04 AM

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 03:57 PM

What I'd really like to see is a Kevin Smith WRITTEN movie, with a capable director.

TheMojoPin

07-23-2006, 04:59 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: What I'd really like to see is a Kevin Smith WRITTEN movie, with a capable director.Team him up with M. Night Shameelsmaozzle since that guy can come up with decent ideas and make them look purty, but the specific writing is ass.

Fallon

07-23-2006, 05:04 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: [QUOTE]He is still a funny guy (The Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs are great, he's wonderful on O&A)

I'm happy aboot this:
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/jsbstash_1904_5453965

angrymissy

07-23-2006, 05:48 PM

I thought it was funny.Jeff overanalyzes every movie...

badorties

07-23-2006, 06:58 PM

just saw it ... very funny, a lot of great jokes and timing ... but any sentimental aspect was forced and didn't click -- the '1979' scene was very unnecessarythe clerks cartoon was a better sequel for the feel of the humor without it being too forced

HBox

07-23-2006, 07:03 PM

Fallon wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote:  He is still a funny guy (The Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs are great, he's wonderful on O&A)  

I'm happy aboot this:
<img border="0" src="http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/jsbstash_1904_5453965" />  Uhhhhhhhh, wasn't he, uh, making fun of Siegel for awful puns? <blockquote />

mikeyboy

07-23-2006, 07:23 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote:  Why hate on Kevin Smith's family to make a point about his lack of narrative structure writing skills?  Kevin Smith has made 7 films now. Clerks II had some funny stuff, but he hasn't really made a truely good film yet since Clerks I (Chasing Amy showed promise, Dogma showed promise, the other askewniverse films had some good jokes, but were not good films)Well, let's be honest -- the original Clerks is only a "good film" when you accept what it is.  It's an indy film shot on a shoestring budget with a complete lack of visual direction and some really sub-par acting.  It's important because it works on a number of levels -- great story, great characters, and great filthy humor -- and it opened the doors for other directors to put together movies without a major studios budget.  As much as I love the film, it's still highly flawed.  I was a big Smith fan, because I always hoped that he'd be able to put it all together eventually and make something great.  He hasn't.  Mallrats has some fun to it, but it bombed for a reason.  Chasing Amy is probably his second strongest film, but I really feel it loses it's way at some point.  Dogma had so much potential.  A draft of the script floated around for years before it got produced.  I really loved that script.  It seemed to find a great balance of smart, funny, clever and stupid, which is damned difficult.  The final product cut so much from the original script that it ended up being not that funny, clever or smart.  Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was arguably his most consistent film, but really wasn't that good, and was nearly devoid of the elements that made his early movies show so much promise -- namely strong characters and Smith's snappy dialogue..  At this point, I haven't seen any real improvement in Smith's movies, so I've given up for now.  I won't bother seeing Clerks II until it ends up on cable.  I have absolutely no expectations for the movie, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Gvac

07-23-2006, 07:26 PM

Let's all be honest.Kevin Smith is the white Spike Lee - a one trick pony who is vastly overrated.

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 07:31 PM

Gvac wrote: Let's all be honest.Kevin Smith is the white Spike Lee - a one trick pony who is vastly overrated.    How the hell can you even say that?  I'm not a huge fan of Spike Lee, but I HAVE enjoyed some of his work. Nobody is saying these films have huge artistic merit.  They are fart joke movies that are profitable.  And even using the Spike Lee analogy is weak, because even WITH She's Gotta Have It and Do The Right Thing, Spike has made OTHER movies that even though they are black-themed, still tackle other subjects OTHER than racism. You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use M. Night.  Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M Night's movies LOSE money.

HBox

07-23-2006, 07:33 PM

Gvac wrote: Let's all be honest.Kevin Smith is the white Spike Lee - a one trick pony who is vastly overrated.   Spike Lee is a great director in my opinion, which is something you can disagree with, but he is far from a one trick pony. He has made many different types of films.Kevin Smith, well, you know what you are getting every single time.

HBox

07-23-2006, 07:36 PM

You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use
M. Night.  Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M
Night's movies LOSE money.All of M Night's films since Sixth Sense have made a healthy profit. That probably ends now, but even the Village made money.

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:02 PM

HBox wrote:  You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use
M. Night. Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M
Night's movies LOSE money. All of M Night's films since Sixth Sense have made a healthy profit. That probably ends now, but even the Village made money.    You sure about the village?  I thought the VIllage's failure is why the Disney execs were getting in his face about "Lady in the Water" in the first place.

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:03 PM

HBox wrote:  You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use
M. Night. Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M
Night's movies LOSE money. All of M Night's films since Sixth Sense have made a healthy profit. That probably ends now, but even the Village made money.    Still, that being said, M. Night is a one-trick.  His movies are basically the same: ordinary people put into extraordinary, supernatural circumstances, with a twist ending.

HBox

07-23-2006, 08:08 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use
M. Night. Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M
Night's movies LOSE money. All of M Night's films since Sixth Sense have made a healthy profit. That probably ends now, but even the Village made money. You sure about the village? I thought the VIllage's failure is why the Disney execs were getting in his face about "Lady in the Water" in the first place.   $114 gross just in the US, $72 million budget. Unbreakable was a bigger disappointment than the Village, costing about the same but only grossing $94 million. I think what happened with Disney was more due to himself.

kdubya

07-23-2006, 08:11 PM

The wife and I saw the movie today, pretty funny. My only complaints are, I would have liked to see more interactions with customers( Wanda Sykes was hysterical) and the second is there was no Steve Dave.

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:11 PM

HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use
M. Night. Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M
Night's movies LOSE money. All of M Night's films since Sixth Sense have made a healthy profit. That probably ends now, but even the Village made money. You sure about the village? I thought the VIllage's failure is why the Disney execs were getting in his face about "Lady in the Water" in the first place. $114 gross just in the US, $72 million budget. Unbreakable was a bigger disappointment than the Village, costing about the same but only grossing $94 million. I think what happened with Disney was more due to himself.    What's funny is, out of ALL of M. Night's movies, Unbreakable is undoubtedly one of my favorites AND one of my Top 50.

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:13 PM

kdubya wrote: The wife and I saw the movie today, pretty funny. My only complaints are, I would have liked to see more interactions with customers( Wanda Sykes was hysterical) and the second is there was no Steve Dave.   I liked how two pairs of customers (Wanda and her husband, and the two latinos) equalled Mooby's being "weeded".

King Imp

07-23-2006, 08:14 PM

I personally think Rosario Dawson is an absolute dog. A dog with a killer body mind you, but a dog nonetheless.

HBox

07-23-2006, 08:14 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: HBox wrote: You want to use a "one trick pony" analogy, use
M. Night. Even THAT doesn't work, because unlike Lee and Smith, M
Night's movies LOSE money. All of M Night's films since Sixth Sense have made a healthy profit. That probably ends now, but even the Village made money. You sure about the village? I thought the VIllage's failure is why the Disney execs were getting in his face about "Lady in the Water" in the first place. $114 gross just in the US, $72 million budget. Unbreakable was a bigger disappointment than the Village, costing about the same but only grossing $94 million. I think what happened with Disney was more due to himself. What's funny is, out of ALL of M. Night's movies, Unbreakable is undoubtedly one of my favorites AND one of my Top 50.   I don't care what people say about it or how incredibly stupid the end is, I loved Signs. If the ending made some sense, it would be in my top ten.As I attempt to re-rail the thread, I haven't seen Clerks II yet.

narc

07-23-2006, 08:15 PM

I agree with GVac. There are a lot of parallels. I enjoy parts of Kevin Smith and Spike Lee movies. They both have some really interesting ideas that don't get explored in other movies. But most of the whole of most of their movies are just kinda eh. Kevin Smith relies way too heavily on cheap laughs. And even though I think Spike considers himself to be an auteur, most of his movies get TERRIBLE reviews from the mainstream press, because his ideas, while interesting, don't have enough broadbased appeal or substance to do a whole movie about. He's also a first-class pompous dick in person. 
Case in point: I recently watched "She Hate Me." There were parts of it that were kind of hot, but the movie would've actually worked a lot better as a porno than as legit cinema. It was impossible to relate to the character. How many people have hot, brilliant, rich lesbian ex-wives who they still pine after but who want to use them to impregnate all their ridiculously hot lesbian friends (the old fashioned way)? It's an interesting idea, but sorry, I just can't relate. Believe me, I wish I could. 
Shamalamadingdong is a hack too. Darren Aronofsky on the other hand, is a genius. 
Can't wait for "The Fountain." 
Has anyone heard about this movie? The cast looks fantastic. And I've heard there's already Oscar buzz about it. Geh geh geh!! <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/</a>

This message was edited by narc on 7-24-06 @ 12:21 AM

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:21 PM

narc wrote: 
Case in point: I recently watched "She Hate Me." There were parts of it that were kind of hot, but the movie would've actually worked a lot better as a porno than as legit cinema. It was impossible to relate to the character. How many people have hot, brilliant, rich lesbian ex-wives who they still pine after but who want to use them to impregnate all their ridiculously hot lesbian friends (the old fashioned way)? It's an interesting idea, but sorry, I just can't relate. Believe me, I wish I could.    I saw She Hate Me too.  I didn't like the execution of it either.  (although I liked the concept)  I didn't understand the Mafia subplot at all.  And what made HIM so special?  Why wouldn't these lesbians just save 10 grand and seduce a good looking, intelligent male, get his seed, and split? I did enjoy He Got Game and the 25th Hour though.

HBox

07-23-2006, 08:26 PM

Can't wait for "The Fountain." Has anyone heard about this movie? The cast looks fantastic. And I've heard there's already Oscar buzz about it. Geh geh geh!! <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/</a>Man, I've been waiting for that since Brad Pitt bailed on it and almost destroyed the thing. I'm just relieved it got made.As for Spike Lee, She Hate Me, 25th Hour, Inside Man and Summer of Sam, all movies that deal with genres or situations that he typically doesn't deal with, and all but She Hate Me well thought of. And he's venntured out in documnetaries and done a fine job with them.Kevin Smith tried Jersey Girl and couldn't have fallen harder on his face. M Night hasn't tried to do anything else and seems to have lost the ability to even do his bread and butter.

Tenbatsuzen

07-23-2006, 08:29 PM

You'll never see David Wright in a Spike Lee movie, I'll tell you that much!

narc

07-23-2006, 08:29 PM

I think Spike was trying to get into a gender/race reversal thing by showing wealthy powerful white women sexually exploiting a black man, whereas traditionally powerful wealthy men take advantage of women sexually, and the fact that black men are typically portrayed in the media as being "players" or whatever. 
Fine. We know feminism has done a lot of things for women, and they can be just as sexually powerful as men. Spike just didn't expand on this idea or do anything that interesting with it.

SatCam

07-23-2006, 08:33 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: You'll never see David Wright in a Spike Lee movie, I'll tell you that much! 

Do we?

no homo

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mikeyboy

07-23-2006, 09:14 PM

When did Matty and HBox become an old married couple?

Sheeplovr

07-24-2006, 02:11 AM

Kevin Smith tried Jersey Girl and couldn't have fallen harder on his face.in
the long run jersey girl will be liked threw out the years as one of
those flicks that you rent for your daughter whens shes 4 and then she
will want to rent it again and again til you buy it then she will want
to see it alot anywhowhat the F i thought everyone wanted to see clerks 2 it only made 9 million this weekendcome on now everyone will have to see it like 20 more times when does the downloadable commentary that told him to do come outwhat a good flick and people gotta go see it

BrownTown

07-24-2006, 03:10 AM

Hated It! <img border="0" src="http://image.com.com/tv/images/processed/thumb/29/4a/5780.jpg" /> I had such high expectations, and was let down so hard on this one. This was just a desperate attempt to cling to what the first film was without the freshness that made the it great. Did I laugh a few times? Sure. Is it the worst thing I ever saw? Absolutely not. I was just expecting alot more than a lackluster retread.

This message was edited by BrownTown on 7-24-06 @ 7:10 AM

narc

07-24-2006, 03:14 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Sheeplovr wrote: <hr color="cococo" align="left">Kevin Smith tried Jersey Girl and couldn't have fallen harder on his face.<hr color="cococo" align="left">in
the long run jersey girl will be liked threw out the years as one of
those flicks that you rent for your daughter whens shes 4 and then she
will want to rent it again and again til you buy it then she will want
to see it alot anywhowhat the F i thought everyone wanted to see clerks 2 it only made 9 million this weekendcome on now everyone will have to see it like 20 more times when does the downloadable commentary that told him to do come outwhat a good flick and people gotta go see it <hr color="cococo" align="left">

You also live in Jersey Sheepy, so your view might be a little askew...geh geh geh

Doctor Manhattan

07-24-2006, 04:12 AM

mikeyboy wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote:  Why hate on Kevin Smith's family to make a point about his lack of narrative structure writing skills?  Kevin Smith has made 7 films now. Clerks II had some funny stuff, but he hasn't really made a truely good film yet since Clerks I (Chasing Amy showed promise, Dogma showed promise, the other askewniverse films had some good jokes, but were not good films)Well, let's be honest -- the original Clerks is only a "good film" when you accept what it is.  It's an indy film shot on a shoestring budget with a complete lack of visual direction and some really sub-par acting.  It's important because it works on a number of levels -- great story, great characters, and great filthy humor -- and it opened the doors for other directors to put together movies without a major studios budget.  As much as I love the film, it's still highly flawed.  I was a big Smith fan, because I always hoped that he'd be able to put it all together eventually and make something great.  He hasn't.  Mallrats has some fun to it, but it bombed for a reason.  Chasing Amy is probably his second strongest film, but I really feel it loses it's way at some point.  Dogma had so much potential.  A draft of the script floated around for years before it got produced.  I really loved that script.  It seemed to find a great balance of smart, funny, clever and stupid, which is damned difficult.  The final product cut so much from the original script that it ended up being not that funny, clever or smart.  Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was arguably his most consistent film, but really wasn't that good, and was nearly devoid of the elements that made his early movies show so much promise -- namely strong characters and Smith's snappy dialogue..  At this point, I haven't seen any real improvement in Smith's movies, so I've given up for now.  I won't bother seeing Clerks II until it ends up on cable.  I have absolutely no expectations for the movie, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.I'm not sure, but it doesn't look like you disagree with me. <ul><li><div>I didn't say Clerks I was a perfect film, but it was a good film. You said it has a "great story, great characters, and great filthy humor" That sounds like a great film! </div></li><li><div>I said Chasing Amy and Dogma had promise "Chasing Amy is probably his second strongest film, but I really feel it loses it's way at some point.  Dogma had so much potential..." </div></li><li><div>I said his other films had good jokes but were not good films "Mallrats has some fun to it, but it bombed for a reason...Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was arguably his most consistent film, but really wasn't that good..."</div></li></ul>I may be wrong, but the "Well, let's be honest" sounds like you were going to correct me, not state a similar opinion.

thepaulo

07-24-2006, 04:13 AM

what i said on the air was clerks was a better film than clerks II (mostly because it had more integrity) Kevin Smith is a smart funny writer but not a good director....all his films run the gamut from brillantly witty to completely juvenile.....I hear he might do a sequel to Dogma. Dogma and Chasing Amy show that he might achieve greatness.I will say I was hated on for daring to say something bad about Smith on the air....I think I'm owed an.....a.......pol.....what?

mikeyboy

07-24-2006, 05:17 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: mikeyboy wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote:  Why hate on Kevin Smith's family to make a point about his lack of narrative structure writing skills?  Kevin Smith has made 7 films now. Clerks II had some funny stuff, but he hasn't really made a truely good film yet since Clerks I (Chasing Amy showed promise, Dogma showed promise, the other askewniverse films had some good jokes, but were not good films)Well, let's be honest -- the original Clerks is only a "good film" when you accept what it is.  It's an indy film shot on a shoestring budget with a complete lack of visual direction and some really sub-par acting.  It's important because it works on a number of levels -- great story, great characters, and great filthy humor -- and it opened the doors for other directors to put together movies without a major studios budget.  As much as I love the film, it's still highly flawed.  I was a big Smith fan, because I always hoped that he'd be able to put it all together eventually and make something great.  He hasn't.  Mallrats has some fun to it, but it bombed for a reason.  Chasing Amy is probably his second strongest film, but I really feel it loses it's way at some point.  Dogma had so much potential.  A draft of the script floated around for years before it got produced.  I really loved that script.  It seemed to find a great balance of smart, funny, clever and stupid, which is damned difficult.  The final product cut so much from the original script that it ended up being not that funny, clever or smart.  Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was arguably his most consistent film, but really wasn't that good, and was nearly devoid of the elements that made his early movies show so much promise -- namely strong characters and Smith's snappy dialogue..  At this point, I haven't seen any real improvement in Smith's movies, so I've given up for now.  I won't bother seeing Clerks II until it ends up on cable.  I have absolutely no expectations for the movie, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.I'm not sure, but it doesn't look like you disagree with me. <ul><li>*>I didn't say Clerks I was a perfect film, but it was a good film. You said it has a "great story, great characters, and great filthy humor" That sounds like a great film! <div /></li><li>*>I said Chasing Amy and Dogma had promise "Chasing Amy is probably his second strongest film, but I really feel it loses it's way at some point.  Dogma had so much potential..." <div /></li><li>*>I said his other films had good jokes but were not good films "Mallrats has some fun to it, but it bombed for a reason...Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was arguably his most consistent film, but really wasn't that good..." <div /></li></ul>I may be wrong, but the "Well, let's be honest" sounds like you were going to correct me, not state a similar opinion.It wasn't so much disagreeing with you.  It was more of me taking issue with the characterization of Clerks as a great film.  It's very enjoyable and has some great strengths, but for me it's still too flawed to be a "great film".  After that I was just throwing out my opinions on Smith's body of work, which, yes, is pretty consistent with what you said.

AKA

07-24-2006, 05:33 AM

Saw it - enjoyed it - agree with a lot of the points (pro & con) on here, though. I had the chance to see the first one when it first came out in the theatres in 1994, and I remember really enjoying it, but at the time indie movies were flowing through Washington at an incredible rate that one blurred into another. Clerks stood out the same way Reservoir Dogs stood out before and sex, lies and videotape stood out before that - the writing. Even still, it would be a long time before I'd watch it again after it came out on video, and even then I didn't get bit by the Kevin Smith bug.Ultimately, I enjoyed Mallrats more than Chasing Amy & Jay and Silent Bob more than Dogma, but in the end I would not consider any of them to be great movies - just funny distractions made by a guy who is fun to root for. He has the carnival barker quality, in a way like a William Castle, where he makes being a fan of the film part of the point of the expeirence.I rewatched Clerks over the weekend, before and after seeing Clerks II, and I think it still holds up as a terrific no-budget indie project. The thing I picked up finally, though, that I never wanted to admit that Kevin Smith is not the brilliant screenwriter everyone who gives him the backhanded compliments will say, as if tossing him a bone. Compared to Sodderbergh, Tarantino, the Coen brothers, or Spike Lee, Smith's dialogue comes across as words that were written and being read. I actually enjoy the actors in the film - and their direction I find no fault in - it's the words they are having to speak. I feel like I'm watching an adaptation of a play; they are too stagey for "the big screen" and ring a little false to me. like he tried to hard to be David Mamet to pay attention to differences between what was written for film and what was written for the theatre. That said: one day Kevin Smith will agree to a broadway (hopefully not musical) adaptation of Clerks, and it will seem like the most obvious decision to everythone. I would be shocked if someone hasn't already floated that idea out there, even as a joke.Clerks II - the only real problem I had was the two girls into Dante, which rang oh-so-false. I was happy that Randal addressed the fact that we've seen this play out before, and to be honest I wasn't annoyed by the sappiness, and appreciated it when he made fun of himself by randomly having a musical number to defuse the sugar buzz. I blame the writing for having the odd contrivances of Dante leaving so they can set up for the donkey show and the go-cart interlude (came at a perfect time for a bathrooom break), and I would have loved more customer interaction (DC's own Wanda Sykes stealing a scene! Hell to the yeah!), but I will never hate a move that gave me the character of Elias - Trevor Fehrman is a comedic God!

fezident

07-24-2006, 05:33 AM

I was once a Kevin Smith superfan and I find that his movies are great IF (and only if) you grade them on the right curve.You always find yourself having to defend a Kevin Smith movie.  "yeah, the camerawork -such as it is- sucks and yeah, the dialog has a weird cadance & pace and, yeah the acting kinda sucks because these guys aren't even actors and, yeah the whole thing was shot on the cheap but, I LOVE IT!"  His movies look and feel like DEMOS.  They're not quite album quality but...they have a charm and some people like that rawness.  The audience is very specific for a Kevin Smith flick.  And even within that target audience, not everyone agrees on what's good.  I frickin' haaaaate Dogma.  Other people think it's the best one.  And yet, we're both Kevin Smith fans.Then Kevin goes and makes a "real" movie like Jersey Girl and he is abandoned.  His fan base ignored him.  They have no desire to see him do anything else.

Doctor Manhattan

07-24-2006, 05:41 AM

It wasn't so much disagreeing with you.  It was more of me taking issue with the characterization of Clerks as a great film.  It's very enjoyable and has some great strengths, but for me it's still too flawed to be a "great film".  After that I was just throwing out my opinions on Smith's body of work, which, yes, is pretty consistent with what you said.That's cool Mikey. But to be honest I never called it a "great" film. I said "truely good". I used those words because I think there is good stuff in all his films (even Jersey Girl) but Clerks I had enough good stuff to make it a good film, truely.

Doctor Manhattan

07-24-2006, 05:47 AM

HBox wrote:  Fallon wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote:  He is still a funny guy (The Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs are great, he's wonderful on O&A)   I'm happy aboot this: <img src="http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/jsbstash_1904_5453965" border="0" />   Uhhhhhhhh, wasn't he, uh, making fun of Siegel for awful puns? Yes, but Kevin's Movies and other works (Like the Q&A tours) isn't all puns

fezident

07-24-2006, 05:50 AM

What's the over-under on how many times Kevin Smith will say "Rubber Poop Monster!!" in this new dvd?!  It's his mantra.

Furtherman

07-24-2006, 06:34 AM

I thought it was hilarious.  Great follow up to the original.I'm not one to compare it to any other, but I thought it stands as a funny film on its own. I did however, sit near some uber-smith fans who were talking about his Siegel fued like it was Ali vs. Foreman.  They also OVER-laughed at the really funny points, like jump up and down in your seat laughing.  Hey, that's fine.  But watch that scene when Randall is talking about Lord Of The Rings - that's YOU uber-smith fan.  You've got your Smith Ring in your pocket and you're annoying to everyone else. But besides those losers - I loved the movie.  Thumbs up.

This message was edited by Furtherman on 7-24-06 @ 10:35 AM

Tenbatsuzen

07-24-2006, 07:53 AM

thepaulo wrote: what i said on the air was clerks was a better film than clerks II (mostly because it had more integrity) Kevin Smith is a smart funny writer but not a good director....all his films run the gamut from brillantly witty to completely juvenile.....I hear he might do a sequel to Dogma. Dogma and Chasing Amy show that he might achieve greatness.I will say I was hated on for daring to say something bad about Smith on the air....I think I'm owed an.....a.......pol.....what?   Must you make every post about yourself?  Between this and your post in Bobo's thread, you're becoming my least favorite poster. You are owed NOTHING.  You called Smith an incompetent filmmaker.  You failed to mention that every single one of Smith's films have been profitable.  You want to mock his skills, fine, but the bottom line is, he makes money.

mikeyboy

07-24-2006, 07:57 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Must you make every post about yourself?   <img src="http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/oa048.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

JimBeam

07-24-2006, 09:43 AM

HBox here's something that they had posted on WWTDD regarding Smith's complaints about puns and then doing it himself.I think Smith went from being a uniquely funny dude to being a self-important douche ( but again I did and still do like his older stuff ) :'Good Morning America' film critic Joel Siegel walked out of a Monday night press screening of 'Clerks II' just 40 minutes into the movie, telling others as he left: "Time to go! First movie I've walked out of in 30 fucking years!"Siegel later told Page Six: "It was so foul and mean and repulsive. I finally realized I could not say anything positive ... I wasn't ready for this kind of smut ... I hope he doesn't make any more movies."And now 'Clerks' writer/director Kevin Smith has fired back on <a href="http://www.myspace.com/therealkevinsmith" target="blank">his myspace</a>. Among the "highlights": "You'd imagine this would bother me, and yet, I'm delighted ... I mean, it's Joel Siegel, for Christ's sake ... getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on being "punny" - that is, he likes to add his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay into the reviews he writes/gives. For "Pirates 2", he made us all titter with "Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun". For Pixar's latest, he made us squeal with delight when he wrote "Wheelie Good Time for 'Cars'"."Ummm, so, it just kind of goes on like that for a while. And it would be a much more scathing attack, except that Joel Siegel is probably funnier than Kevin Smith these days. Im sure if Siegel had a gooey chocolate center, Smith would fuckin love him. If you hate wordplay jokes so much Kevin, than why is <a href="http://www.wwtdd.com/images/ks1.shtml" target="blank">your second dvd</a> called 'An Evening with Kevin Smith 2: Evening Harder'. Why do the <a href="http://www.jayandsilentbob.com/noname6.html" target="blank">posters for 'Clerks II'</a> that your shilling on your myspace have taglines like: "Leading The War Against Counter Terrorism". (Get it? Because they work behind a counter. Tee-hee, tee-hee.) Kevin attacks Siegel for loving the spotlight in a blog entry just above the one where he lists all of his interviews and promotional appearances. I assumed Kevins two favorite pastimes were eating cookie dough and sitting very still, but clearly they are promoting himself and being slightly less funny than a dead Christmas puppy.

thepaulo

07-24-2006, 10:13 AM

Tenbat.....It's getting to be time for a grudge match....add yourself to the list...i'm ready for you anytime

Tenbatsuzen

07-24-2006, 11:11 AM

thepaulo wrote: Tenbat.....It's getting to be time for a grudge match....add yourself to the list...i'm ready for you anytime   Ooooh, I'm on Paulo's list.  Get in line.  Staples is more entertaining on the radio.

HBox

07-24-2006, 11:11 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: HBox wrote: Fallon wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: He is still a funny guy (The Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs are great, he's wonderful on O&A) I'm happy aboot this: <img border="0" src="http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/jsbstash_1904_5453965" /> Uhhhhhhhh, wasn't he, uh, making fun of Siegel for awful puns? Yes, but Kevin's Movies and other works (Like the Q&A tours) isn't all puns  I looked at Siegel's website and I'll tell you what happened: Smith's "research" of Siegel consisted of going to his web page on ABC and picking out all the headlines, which were awful puns. And writers rarely, if ever, write their own headlines. Which is why Siegel had no idea where Smith got this stuff. It's a 99% certainty those puns Smith were citing were the product of some crappy editor somewhere at ABC.One thing Smith and M Night have in common: hyper-sensitivity to critics, which I think is subconsciously related to insecurity in their own works.

Tenbatsuzen

07-24-2006, 11:16 AM

I think all young directors are sensitive to critics, unless they have helmed hugely profitable films and have that fuck-you clout.  (Brett Ratner, Michael Bay comes to mind) Smith's MAIN beef - that Siegel disrupted his film during a professional screening - is completely and totally valid. I think Smith was looking for more ammo and went after Siegel's puns, kind of like a pile-on.   And Siegel HAS done those stupid puns before.  Someone brought this up on Wackbag, that when he did those pre-taped segments on Channel 7 (WABC) news, he actually said them.  Kind of like Dragnet being "Dumb, da Dumb Dumb Dummmmmb."  I didn't bare witness to that, but I know he did close out his Channel 7 segments back in the day with stupid puns.  It was his hook and what he's known for.

JimBeam

07-24-2006, 11:29 AM

But even if Seigel did/does use them doesnt Smith upend his own argument by the fact that he uses them too ?

HBox

07-24-2006, 11:36 AM

When you start making scenes in your movie depicting violence against your critics, you have a serious problem. Both Kevin Smith and M Night have done this. And Kevin Smith quote about Jersey Girl before it even came out that "It's not for critics" or something like that was pathetic.Not defending Siegel's actions, but someone confident in their own abilities wouldn't give a shit.

Tenbatsuzen

07-24-2006, 11:51 AM

JimBeam wrote: But even if Seigel did/does use them doesnt Smith upend his own argument by the fact that he uses them too ?   No, because Kevin's writing hook isn't dependent on bad puns.  Just like Siskel and Roeper are known for the "thumbs", Shalit and Siegel are known for their puns. Smith is known for being a good writer, usage of puns or not.  Siegel's reviewing career has been dependent on them. And even if there's an "editor" in the mix, Siegel can request that better headlines be written.  It's a fucking online producer at ABC.com, not a New York Times editor.

thepaulo

07-24-2006, 12:26 PM

tenbat....is that the best you can do....you hate me that much and you do nothing to feed the grudge match....let it all out....I like positive comments but if you're gonna hate then bring it....but you gave me nothing.....I've been on the air for mumble mumble years and there is gonna be love and hate....right now, I prefer you say thank you and go on your way

HBox

07-24-2006, 12:30 PM

thepaulo wrote: tenbat....is that the best you can do....you hate me that much and you do nothing to feed the grudge match....let it all out....I like positive comments but if you're gonna hate then bring it....but you gave me nothing.....I've been on the air for mumble mumble years and there is gonna be love and hate....right now, I prefer you say thank you and go on your way  You'd think... a guy... who reviews... movies... would know... the correct... usage... of... ellipsis... but... then... you'd... be... wrong...

Furtherman

07-24-2006, 12:31 PM

thepaulo wrote: I've been on the air for mumble mumble years Ahh the mumble mumble years.  Much better than the grumble grumble years.

thepaulo

07-24-2006, 02:36 PM

I have to agree with you Hbox.....my use of dotdotdot is lazy and insufferable...................................... ..............................but I love it so

Sheeplovr

07-24-2006, 02:40 PM

if only kevin didn't take my in theaterr commentary idea without giveing my props it would of made more money

Tenbatsuzen

07-24-2006, 02:45 PM

thepaulo wrote: tenbat....is that the best you can do....you hate me that much and you do nothing to feed the grudge match....let it all out....I like positive comments but if you're gonna hate then bring it....but you gave me nothing.....I've been on the air for mumble mumble years and there is gonna be love and hate....right now, I prefer you say thank you and go on your way   Do you even notice that there's quite an active discussion going on about films, directors, and critics, and you're adding NOTHING to the conversation?

epo

07-24-2006, 05:54 PM

I miss Green Paulo at Monday Night Nitro.  He was the best.

thepaulo

07-24-2006, 06:59 PM

part of the problem is I'm reponding to you tenbats since you clearly want a piece of me....."NOTHING".....well....I didn't contribute nothing to the conversation...I put in my two cents....nothing more NOTHING less.....to respond to one of your more recent posts....I didn't call Smith an incompetent film maker.....but an incompetent director, in so much as he underminds his own writing....His slacker charm has it's place but I'm sure even you must think he's selling himself short.....and since when did incompetent film making have anything to do with box office revenues.....Clearly sir, we must meet on a field of honor and settle our differences...call your seconds

fezident

07-24-2006, 07:01 PM

Has Kevin Smith ever directed anything he didn't write?  Has he written anything that somebody else directed??

TheMojoPin

07-24-2006, 09:43 PM

If only there was some kind of online informtion resource for such questions...maybe a database...of films...on the internet...

AKA

07-25-2006, 04:09 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: If only there was some kind of online informtion resource for such questions...maybe a database...of films...on the internet... Ok, hippy, quit the crazy pot talk...some of us prefer to life in the "real world"<img height="240" src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0451216091.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" width="240" border="0" />

fezident

07-25-2006, 04:42 AM

Wassup Mojo?  Was my attempt to steer this thread back on-topic THAT lame??  (insert sheepy trumpet here)

DJEvelEd

07-25-2006, 08:20 AM

<div>It was great hearing Jeff Anderson on O&A. He's about to hit big time and it's been a long time comin. I worked with him like 15 years ago at AT&T when he used to cut out of work early to go work on Clerks with Chuck (the guy who got his hand caught in the Pringles jar) Does Chuck come back? I can't wait to see this one. Go Jeff GO Jeff Go JEFF!!!!John Kudenchek called in and I almost shit. I haven't heard his voice in years. I think I'm the only person left at Bell Labs who didn't get laid off or go on to make movies/music.Tico Torres's father used to pass around a tape of his son's band at work. The tape contained the song "Runaway". We knew it would hit but wow. JBJ had nice hair but we all know Tico carried that band.Enough of us Bell Labbers. Let's get the show on the road! Woooo Weeeee Woooo Weeeee Woooooo Weeeeee. I feel bad they only made 10 million. No illegal downloads please...</div>

Tenbatsuzen

07-25-2006, 09:52 AM

Christ almighty, between myself, Hosp, Evel Ed, and Jeff Anderson, who HASN'T worked at the Borg Cube in Holmdel?

TheMojoPin

07-25-2006, 10:17 AM

Everyone except those four people?

Tenbatsuzen

07-25-2006, 10:19 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Everyone except those four people?   The Borg Cube in Holmdel is Lucent's biggest office in the Tri-State area.  I know a huge amount  of people in the O&A Universe who have worked there.  The wow stickers I saw in the parking lot were a huge clue.  Don't hate, DC Boy.

JustJon

07-25-2006, 10:30 AM

And that's why I worked for AT&T and not Lucent...

DJEvelEd

07-25-2006, 01:19 PM

They sold that building and will be demolishing it within the next 2 years. There goes New Jersey's talent pool!      

This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 7-25-06 @ 5:19 PM

Fallon

07-28-2006, 11:57 AM

Got me a Leonardo Reapers hat in the mail today. Nice. <img width="345" height="469" border="0" src="http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h281/WWFallon/leo.gif" />

narc

07-28-2006, 12:03 PM

Reading through this thread, I think Tenbats is the Randy Orton of RF.net. He should do a series of legend killings on Billy and Paul O.

JustJon

07-31-2006, 08:02 AM

Finally saw the flick Saturday night and it was very entertaining.  Some of the usual Kev Smith humor, sir, with a nice little message at the end.

Tenbatsuzen

07-31-2006, 08:07 AM

narc wrote: Reading through this thread, I think Tenbats is the Randy Orton of RF.net. He should do a series of legend killings on Billy and Paul O.   Wait til Shelle Bink finds out what I left for her in her gymbag.

cougarjake13

07-31-2006, 03:36 PM

did anyone else stay past the credits ???<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" border="0" />

JustJon

08-01-2006, 07:34 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: did anyone else stay past the credits ???   no, were we supposed to?

SatCam

08-01-2006, 11:10 AM

JustJon wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: did anyone else stay past the credits ??? no, were we supposed to? 

You see how Xavier is really still alive, allowing another sequal to be made.

Enabler

08-01-2006, 12:59 PM

I liked how Kevin Smith named one of his characters Elias after Patrik Elias. At least thats how I interpreted that. I did not like the ABC scene or the go-karts. This movie needed another roller hockey scene in a bad way. "I'll kick your teeth out and pass all over your ass" was one of my favorite lines from Clerks.

fezident

08-01-2006, 01:17 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: did anyone else stay past the credits ??? I stayed.Nothin'.  Although at the end of the actual credit roll, there was some jibberjabber about how "Jay And Silent Bob may return one day. Or maybe they won't."

ShelleBink

08-01-2006, 01:35 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: narc wrote: Reading through this thread, I think Tenbats is the Randy Orton of RF.net. He should do a series of legend killings on Billy and Paul O. Wait til Shelle Bink finds out what I left for her in her gymbag.   My vibrator?

Tenbatsuzen

08-01-2006, 01:38 PM

ShelleBink wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: narc wrote: Reading through this thread, I think Tenbats is the Randy Orton of RF.net. He should do a series of legend killings on Billy and Paul O. Wait til Shelle Bink finds out what I left for her in her gymbag. My vibrator?    I thought that was one of the rockets Hezbollah was using

ShelleBink

08-01-2006, 01:49 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: ShelleBink wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: narc wrote: Reading through this thread, I think Tenbats is the Randy Orton of RF.net. He should do a series of legend killings on Billy and Paul O. Wait til Shelle Bink finds out what I left for her in her gymbag. My vibrator? I thought that was one of the rockets Hezbollah was using   Since it glows in the dark, it'd probably be shot down while in midair

phixion

08-01-2006, 01:51 PM

Since it glows in the dark i smell your light saber

ShelleBink

08-01-2006, 01:58 PM

phixion wrote:  Since it glows in the dark  i smell your light saber  Ironically, that IS my nickname for it.

narc

08-01-2006, 02:43 PM

Does it have a ballbag attached to it?

ShelleBink

08-01-2006, 03:09 PM

No

booster11373

08-07-2006, 06:13 PM

I really enjoyed that movie very funny, and I hate say it but a sweet touching (no homo) ending. I saw a little of my life in that movie.On another note does any one know who sings the song during the final montage Frustrated Incorparated might be the title, It sounds like Soul Asylum any help?

fezident

08-07-2006, 06:18 PM

"Misery" by Soul Asylum from LET YOUR DIM LIGHT SHINE.

booster11373

08-07-2006, 06:19 PM

thanks

Fallon

09-16-2006, 10:14 PM

Hot damn!<img width="219" height="180" border="0" src="http://pix.nofrag.com/4b/4e/e16f7d5f71e2cd17beebc954b2f1.gif" alt="Rosario Dawson" title="Rosario Dawson" />

PapaBear

09-16-2006, 10:28 PM

Fallon wrote: Hot damn!<img title="Rosario Dawson" height="180" alt="Rosario Dawson" src="http://pix.nofrag.com/4b/4e/e16f7d5f71e2cd17beebc954b2f1.gif" width="219" border="0" /> abdubbanuddqueebalub.

cougarjake13

09-17-2006, 06:22 AM

Fallon wrote: Hot damn!<img title="Rosario Dawson" height="180" alt="Rosario Dawson" src="http://pix.nofrag.com/4b/4e/e16f7d5f71e2cd17beebc954b2f1.gif" width="219" border="0" /> if anyone needs me i'll be cleaning up in the shower for the next few minutes

Don Stugots

09-17-2006, 06:25 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Fallon wrote: Hot damn!<img title="Rosario Dawson" height="180" alt="Rosario Dawson" src="http://pix.nofrag.com/4b/4e/e16f7d5f71e2cd17beebc954b2f1.gif" width="219" border="0" /> if anyone needs me i'll be cleaning up in the shower for the next few minutesi'll pass.  thanks though.

DJEvelEd

12-28-2006, 09:18 AM

I laughed out loud 4 times and chuckled once. Is that about right? It was average I guess but definitely worth seeing if it's free. I wish I could talk it up more because I knew Jeff A. when he worked at Bell Labs and would like to see him succeed in more movies. I'm not that sure Kevin Smith is a comedic genius. He needs someone like Larry David writing funny dialogue/situations. This movie was not as awful as some say and not as great as others say....Average, like most movies these days.