Cut and Paste Journalism [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

Ogre

07-25-2006, 11:22 AM

I did not know to work for FOXNEWS all you had to know was a little mouse trickery.  The Fox Column has 4 original paragraphs then an entire AP story word for word as the remaining 90%.  That is not journalism it's call copying.  Just like turning in someone else's homework.  Fair and Balanced.  More like   Fairly Copied.  I know they use the wire for thier source info, but if your gonna squawk about the APs liberal slant, why do you copy it word for word.  Who's lookin out for FOXNEWS?  I just find it creepy.  Ok if the AP writes it it's wrong, but if we copy it then it's NEWS baby.  Wow.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel_432" target="_self">AP</a><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205378,00.html" target="_self">FOX</a>

HBox

07-25-2006, 11:25 AM

FOX News' James Rosen and the Associated Press contributed to this report.It was correctly attributed at the end of the story, this is common practice.

Ogre

07-25-2006, 11:28 AM

I am just saying that AP didnt just contribute, the AP writer for that story wrote 90% of it.  It just strikes me as odd that FOX calls the AP slanted then copies it verbatim and passes it off as thier guy's work. Like he spent his day picking through the AP wires to construct this story.  Lil left click right click.

This message was edited by Ogre on 7-25-06 @ 3:31 PM

HBox

07-25-2006, 11:32 AM

Has Fox News actually called the AP slanted? They write the most bland neutral stories I've ever read in my life. The AP literally provides filler for newspapers who need to fill space, in addition to very generic stories on major events.

Ogre

07-25-2006, 11:44 AM

I have heard the Dolt O'Rielly and Hannity both lump the AP in with thier "Liberal Left Media" grouping.  If this is more commonplace than I realize, then I guess I'm a rube on this.  Im just saying that if your gonna copy off the kid's paper,(FOX)  don't push him/her  (AP) down into a mud puddle during recess, just to impress a group of cool kids (desired audience).  I actually find Rueters News wire strangely arousing.

UnknownPD

07-25-2006, 11:57 AM

Journalism is a dead. It has been replaced by news-fo-tainment.

Furtherman

07-25-2006, 12:00 PM

UnknownPD wrote: news-fo-tainment. <img height="180" src="http://xo.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/blaccuweather.jpg" width="270" border="0" />IT'S GONNA RAIN!

joeyballsack

07-25-2006, 12:40 PM

Hannity and O'Reilly are not reporting news, they are commenting on it, similar to the Op-Ed section in any newspaper you may pick up. Do you find that equally as distasteful or is it just because those two are on Fox that you have a problem with them ?If so, do you also have a problem with Olberman on MSNBC or is he ok because his politics are different ?

HeyGuy

07-25-2006, 01:11 PM

joeyballsack wrote: Hannity and O'Reilly are not reporting news, they are commenting on it, similar to the Op-Ed section in any newspaper you may pick up. Do you find that equally as distasteful or is it just because those two are on Fox that you have a problem with them ?If so, do you also have a problem with Olberman on MSNBC or is he ok because his politics are different ?I have no problem with people not reporting the news rather commenting. The problem is Faux News tells you they are fair and balanced and that they report the news and we the viewer decides. Sorry they dont report and they are far from fair and balanced. They are so far right. I love how they call every other media the "Masinstream Media" like their the poor little boys. They are the mainstream media financed by the largest media company in the world NewsCorp , but their views are so scewed from most Americans with a brain that their audience actually believes everything they say like a religion.

TheMojoPin

07-25-2006, 01:14 PM

joeyballsack wrote: Hannity and O'Reilly are not reporting news, they are commenting on it, similar to the Op-Ed section in any newspaper you may pick up. Do you find that equally as distasteful or is it just because those two are on Fox that you have a problem with them ?If so, do you also have a problem with Olberman on MSNBC or is he ok because his politics are different ?I have a problem with all pundits, and I have ranted about far too many times here.Presenting talking heads with opinions is fine...I can't stand that it's these people who are in the primetime slots for the "news" channels.  They should be daytime filler at best, just like all the other talk shows out.  It's irresponsible to present these people when most of the public can or will watch, because the public will, by and large, take what they say as news.  It's not.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 7-25-06 @ 5:19 PM

Gvac

07-25-2006, 01:22 PM

I firmly believe the old adage "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear."Besides, I'm the only one who really knows what's true and what isn't.

UnknownPD

07-25-2006, 01:24 PM

Hannity and O'Reilly are not reporting news, they are commenting on it, similar to the Op-Ed section in any newspaper you may pick up. Do you find that equally as distasteful or is it just because those two are on Fox that you have a problem with them ?If so, do you also have a problem with Olberman on MSNBC or is he ok because his politics are different ?The problem is it's all Hannity and Colmes. Whether it's MSNBC, CNN or Fox it's all about ratings. Journalism simply does not exist. Everybody has a point and that point is to sell. Making money is the mantra of the media and anyone who doesn't believe that Fox would turn into the Liberal News Network if it thought it was more profitable is fooling themselves. Every bit of proof I need for this is wrapped up in one word "Couric"

HBox

07-25-2006, 01:41 PM

UnknownPD wrote: Hannity and O'Reilly are not reporting news, they are commenting on it, similar to the Op-Ed section in any newspaper you may pick up. Do you find that equally as distasteful or is it just because those two are on Fox that you have a problem with them ?If so, do you also have a problem with Olberman on MSNBC or is he ok because his politics are different ? The problem is it's all Hannity and Colmes. Whether it's MSNBC, CNN or Fox it's all about ratings. Journalism simply does not exist. Everybody has a point and that point is to sell. Making money is the mantra of the media and anyone who doesn't believe that Fox would turn into the Liberal News Network if it thought it was more profitable is fooling themselves. Every bit of proof I need for this is wrapped up in one word "Couric"  Does this stuff make sense to you in your head?

CuzBum

07-25-2006, 02:00 PM

have heard the Dolt O'Rielly and Hannity both lump the AP in with thier "Liberal Left Media" groupingStupid thing for them to say, when did they say that?

joeyballsack

07-25-2006, 02:10 PM

What I dont understand is how that all you people who hate Fox News so much know so much about what they do and dont say.

TheMojoPin

07-25-2006, 02:39 PM

joeyballsack wrote: What I dont understand is how that all you people who hate Fox News so much know so much about what they do and dont say. Shocked that there are people that are not myopic enough to actually watch multiple news channels?

joeyballsack

07-25-2006, 02:53 PM

Nah, I just know that there are enough sources of news available elsewhere that you would never have to deal with something that you find so distasteful or illegitimate. I think most people who bust on Fox spend very little time actually viewing it and are going off of what others have told them. I actually think a lot of people spend very little time watching the news period, but thats a problem for a different thread all together.

TheMojoPin

07-25-2006, 02:58 PM

Where did I say I "hate" Fox News?  I dislike the pundit shows that they bombard everyone with during primetime, but I hate those same type of shows on CNN and MSNBC, too.  I think pundit-driven programs are not news, but they are treated as such by their viewers, and that's worrisome.  If I had one beef with Fox that I don't have with other networks it's that they have such a ridiculous tagline that's so blatantly untrue.  They are not "fair and balanced" by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't expect or demand they should be.  I just think it sets a bad precedent to have such a hypocritical and false tagline.  What would be wrong with "Fox News - A Different Perspective"?  I get annoyed how they overtly and continually proclaim themselves as bastions of independent and non-partisan news reporting and they're not.  But that doesn't mean I think they can't have their own angle...I think they should.  People are going to approach stories differently, and having different viewpoints driving a network are going to give viewers a variety in what they can watch.  I think, however, that the networks should also all have versions of CNN's Headline News channell...just a constant stream of short news briefs that don't delve into editorial opinions.

joeyballsack

07-25-2006, 03:04 PM

I wasnt referring to just you Mojo, just the public in general. They read on a website or in the newspaper that Fox/MSNBC/CNN is slanted/biased and never even check it out to find out for themselves before repeating it to others.

HBox

07-25-2006, 04:16 PM

joeyballsack wrote: I wasnt referring to just you Mojo, just the public in general. They read on a website or in the newspaper that Fox/MSNBC/CNN is slanted/biased and never even check it out to find out for themselves before repeating it to others.   I've seen more than enough Fox News.

UnknownPD

07-25-2006, 04:27 PM

Couric... Does this stuff make sense to you in your head?Are you suggesting that Katie Couric is the an appropriate standard bearer for the legacy created by Murrow and Cronkite?

HBox

07-25-2006, 04:46 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  Couric... Does this stuff make sense to you in your head? Are you suggesting that Katie Couric is the an appropriate standard bearer for the legacy created by Murrow and Cronkite?  And who would be? Couric has been a journalist her whole career. If you want to prove the point that news media is overly profit driven, you could point out about 50% of the crap the news chooses to cover these days. The people who report them are very much secondary to the people who tell them what to report.

NortonRules

07-25-2006, 05:16 PM

I'm confused - you're saying Fox News copied a story from the AP (common practice - if you have ever read any news, you'd realize all the stories about a given topic are all the same no matter what the news channel or site).  I thought the liberals said FOX news was a horrible horrible company for spinning everything and lying and making stuff up?  Which is it?  Are they liars or do they copy the liberal AP?  Everytime I look at the FOX news website, I look at it critically and try to understand why everyone is so angry that they are 'conservative'.  I can never find anything on their website that is spun conservatively.  As a matter of fact, it's too liberal.  "Did George Bush go too far this time?"   "Is Iraq a mess that can't be fixed?" - that's hardly conservative spin.  I think everyone is soooo used to liberal bias, that when they see something down the middle it looks 'conservative'.  Of course, O'Reilly is garbage, but if you look at the other networks, most of their hosts are the liberal equivalant to O'Reilly, but for some reason that's ok.  I understand that O'Reilly is garbage off the show, too.  I hate him and refuse to watch his show.  I used to hate Hannity.  Then I researched what he was saying and realized he was right.  That made me really mad.  I finally gave in.  He does his research and kills others who don't.  He knows his shit.  I respect him.

HBox

07-25-2006, 05:33 PM

I used to hate Hannity. Then I researched what
he was saying and realized he was right. That made me really mad. I
finally gave in. He does his research and kills others who don't. He
knows his shit. I respect him. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=91585">Really?</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020826.html">Really?</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sean_Hannity">Really?</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/02/hannitys-schiavo-nurse-may-lose-her-license/">Really?</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/01/05/sean-hannity-lies-about-fisa-anyone-surprised/">Really?</a> He's just as bad as the rest.

This message was edited by HBox on 7-25-06 @ 9:34 PM

UnknownPD

07-25-2006, 06:04 PM

The people who report them are very much secondary to the people who tell them what to report.Thanks for making my point. Big corporations decide what we hear and that decision is profit driven.

HBox

07-25-2006, 06:07 PM

UnknownPD wrote:  The people who report them are very much secondary to the people who tell them what to report. Thanks for making my point. Big corporations decide what we hear and that decision is profit driven.   Your point was fine. Using Couric to make it made no sense.

UnknownPD

07-25-2006, 06:10 PM

I used to hate Hannity.  Then I researched what he was saying and realized he was right.  That made me really mad.  I finally gave in.  He does his research and kills others who don't.  He knows his shit.  I respect him.Hannity is an entertainer. He provides simplistic answers for complex problems. My guess is he's more of an echo of what you want to hear than a fountain of new knowledge.

TheMojoPin

07-25-2006, 06:16 PM

Of course, O'Reilly is garbage, but if you look at the other networks, most of their hosts are the liberal equivalant to O'Reilly, but for some reason that's ok.Who?I can only think of one, and that's really just because he called O'Reilly out.

Ogre

07-25-2006, 07:29 PM

Well since I started this, all I was trying to say that I found it odd that the same network who has a commentator (ORielly) who was just recently stating that the "Mainstream Media" (like he is not) was taking a pro Lebanon position and was not doing enough to report the Isreali side.  I started with the AP story, read it through and said,"hey let's see what FOX has to say today"  went to FOXNEWS site and the stories we're almost identical.  Yes I do read quite a bit of news online and in print.  And I do realize that excerpts from AP and other wire services are pulled and used in stories.  I just found it odd that OReilly, who I consider a big mouthpiece for FOXNEWS, says that the AP and others are slanted and then his News org. quotes the AP verbatim and it constitutes 90% of the FOX piece.  As far as Hannity goes he does do his homework and maybe it was unfair of me to group him with "VIBRATORMAN".  I listen to and read alot of different sources and try to find some truth in the rubbish.  Believe it or not I have learned some things from some of the maniacs that post here too.  And knowing is half the battle.I would love to see a cage match between Olberman and OReilly.