Buzz Aldrin admits to seeing UFOs on Apollo mission

[Furtherman]

<font size="1">In the documentary &quot;Apollo 11: The Untold Story,&quot; shown on Britain's Channel Five on Monday night, July 24, astronaut Buzz Aldrin says he, Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins all saw a UFO shadowing their spacecraft. Apollo 11, which took off on July 16, 1969, was the first manned mission to the moon. Aldrin says, &quot;There was something out there, close enough to be observed, and what could it be?&quot; </font><p><font size="1">In the documentary, he says, &quot;Now, obviously the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston, we've got something moving alongside of us and we don't know what it is,' you know? We weren't about to do that, because we knew that that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and somebody might have demanded we turn back because of aliens or whatever the reason is.&quot; He says NASA knew about the UFO but covered up the information.</font> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The only other Apollo astronaut I've know to admit seeing UFOs on the moon&nbsp;was Gordon Cooper, who unfortunatley passed away last year.</p><p>But now that Buzz is admitting it - that's a huge credible source.&nbsp; Something weird up there.</p><p><font size="1"><a href="http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/7761.html" target="_blank">First moon mission was a touch-and-go event: new documentary</a></font></p><p><a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17435592&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=man-on-moon--we-saw-a-ufo--name_page.html" target="_blank">MAN ON MOON: WE SAW A UFO</a></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Furtherman on 7-26-06 @ 1:03 PM</span>

[FUNKMAN]

a story like this probably pushes me a little closer to believing there are UFOs but as of now i'm still skeptical.&nbsp;

[Doogie]

<p>The only other Apollo astronaut I've know to admit seeing UFOs on the moon&nbsp;was Gordon Cooper</p><p>Cooper never went to the moon. The closest he came was backup on Apollo 10, but he never went anywhere near the moon. He might have of seen it in Earth orbit, that is what you might have of meant.</p>

[Furtherman]

<p>Such a high profile name to admit this is big news.&nbsp; I've read that there is a rule that military personnel cannot report such sightings&nbsp;publicly or they'll lose their pension and even face fines and jail time.&nbsp; I'm sorry I don't recall the name of that rule right now.</p><p>That's the basis to <a href="http://www.disclosureproject.org/" target="_blank">The Disclosure Project</a>,&nbsp;which has&nbsp;over 400 former military personnel ready to testify in front of Congress that we have technology reversed engineered from alien technology that could provide a new power source for everyone, eliminating most need for oil.&nbsp; But they don't want to be punished by losing their pension.</p><p>Sounds like crazy talk right?&nbsp; But <em>over 400?</em>&nbsp; I'm sure they'll be a few with screws loose, but it would still make a majority of credible witnesses.</p><p>Nonetheless,&nbsp;it is&nbsp;a bit of a&nbsp;shock that Buzz admits&nbsp;a NASA coverup.</p>

[nate1000]

<p>C'mon, how old is this guy? Which do you think is REALLY more likely: That Apollo 11 was chased by a UFO OR that an old fart has a screw loose? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Edit: You, too can peruse hundreds of pages of first hand accounts of UFO's and alien interaction at <a href="http://www.disclosureproject.org/">http://www.disclosureproject.org/</a>&nbsp;for a modest &quot;donation&quot; of $5.00. Thanks you for your business. PUUUUUHLLEEEEEZEEE.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by nate1000 on 7-26-06 @ 1:46 PM</span>

[Furtherman]

<strong>Doogie76</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p>The only other Apollo astronaut I've know to admit seeing UFOs on the moon&nbsp;was Gordon Cooper <p>&nbsp;</p><p>Cooper never went to the moon. The closest he came was backup on Apollo 10, but he never went anywhere near the moon. He might have of seen it in Earth orbit, that is what you might have of meant.</p><p>You are right Doogie76, Cooper said he saw them in orbit.&nbsp; What I meant to say is the only other astronaut who admitted to seeing UFOs was Cooper.&nbsp; </p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>nate1000</strong> wrote:<br /><p>C'mon, how old is this guy? Which do you think is REALLY more likely: That Apollo 11 was chased by a UFO OR that an old fart has a screw loose? </p><p>He's 76.&nbsp; BUT....</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKxAqpjroo&search=buzz%20aldrin%20punches" target="_blank">Buzz Aldrin could kick your ass.</a></p>

[kdubya]

The alian actually accused him of never going to the moon and Buzz cold-cokced him

[SamoanWoman]

I once met Scott Carpenter and asked him whether he had seen anything on his space missons.&nbsp; He went a little green around the gills and said &quot;no&quot;.&nbsp; He acted like he had.

[IamFogHat]

This is exciting indeed, but did he just feel like now was a good time to come out with it, since he's getting really old and all that?&nbsp; Why now?

[Furtherman]

<strong>IamFogHat</strong> wrote:<br />This is exciting indeed, but did he just feel like now was a good time to come out with it, since he's getting really old and all that?&nbsp; Why now? <p>Maybe that's just it - he kept it to himself all these years out of duty, or he was told to shut up or there would be repercussions.</p><p>But... eventually... how long could someone keep a secret like that.&nbsp; Maybe he wants his grandkids to know the truth.&nbsp; Maybe he wants us all too.&nbsp; </p><p>Armstrong still hasn't said anything, even about the moon missions themselves, ever I think.&nbsp; He's been tight-lipped since he came back!</p>

[Mike Teacher]

<p>I guess the people who made the docu need some hype, coz this is very old news.</p><p>In short, many astros saw weird stuff up there; and remembering a UFO isnt an alien spaceship, but a flying object that hasnt been identified, doing some google-ing will reveal Buzz and others reporting seeing stuff, but it was just... stuff. </p><p>And there's plenty of stuff in orbit to see, it's a junkyard up there now, and when they blasted off to the moon, pieces of the craft, lower stages, lem adapters, etc. followed them, following newtons first law of motion. So many pieces around them reflecting sunlight, it's surprising more stuff wasnt reported. John Glenn and others Mercs reported 'Firefly' type lights buzzing around the craft. All explained as stuff from the ship burning/cooling/venting...</p><p>Coolest thing Buzz ever did: One Moon Conspiracy nut, Bart Sibrel, got punched out by Buzz. Sibrel basically harassed Buzz and other astros, presenting bibles for them to swear on that they went to the moon. Buzz had enough one day and slugged him, caught on tape I think.</p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>Mike Teacher</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Coolest thing Buzz ever did: One Moon Conspiracy nut, Bart Sibrel, got punched out by Buzz. Sibrel basically harassed Buzz and other astros, presenting bibles for them to swear on that they went to the moon. Buzz had enough one day and slugged him, caught on tape I think.</p><p>I posted that link a few replies above.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for this being old news, I just never heard Buzz actually say &quot;UFO&quot;.&nbsp; I had heard about the space junk and &quot;fireflies&quot;.&nbsp; </p><p>But, you are right about generating some hype - this should do it.&nbsp; I am suprised about the NASA cover-up comment.&nbsp; It just seems to fall into the hands of every conspiracy nut out there!</p>

[Mike Teacher]

<p>Yeah further I'm not sure what they said exactly either, I just finished 'First Man' which is the first and only Biography of Neil Armstrong that Neil has signed off on and authorized. I think it mentioned the UFO thing, and I think it was a case of saying something would just cause such a commotion, and distract away from the mission, they were discouraged, or censored themselves in reporting seeing stuff floating around with them, and it seems many saw stuff floating around. </p><p>I hope the docu plays here. It bums me out July 20th comes and goes and few seem to remember or care that we landed on the friggin moon, with 1960s technology, making the shuttle seem as antiquated as it is.</p>

[Don Stugots]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br />a story like this probably pushes me a little closer to believing there are UFOs but as of now i'm still skeptical.&nbsp; <p>whats to be skeptical about?&nbsp; isnt kind of selfish to think that as vast as the universe is that we the only ones out here?&nbsp; </p>

[Coach]

<p>I once read a book about ufo's..with &quot;UFO's The Scientific Debate&quot; in the title..it was a bit technical, but a few of the scientists conceded that there is evidence of the existance of UFO's</p><p>There was on Book that my roomate wanted me to read about how we have things like cell phones and microwave ovens thanks to alien technology...he is now a scientist that works on disease strains like ebola and stuff. When he was doing his doctorate, he told me that he would log into his lab computer and have alot of his files accessed by the government and have entire experiment logs&nbsp;deleted when he started working with disease bacteria.</p>

[Rockvillejoe]

<strong>SamoanWoman</strong> wrote:<br />I once met Scott Carpenter and asked him whether he had seen anything on his space missons.&nbsp; He went a little green around the gills and said &quot;no&quot;.&nbsp; He acted like he had. <p>I don't have my own radio show but I dated Carpenter's daughter Candy in high school when they were living Bethesda Md...</p>

[dereckfishboy]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>STUGOTS1</strong> wrote:<br><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br />a story like this probably pushes me a little closer to believing there are UFOs but as of now i'm still skeptical. <p>whats to be skeptical about? isnt kind of selfish to think that as vast as the universe is that we the only ones out here? </p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

Doesn't mean you have to think that the other ones you speak of are within spitting distance of our back yard. Drug induced hallucinations have taught me some very valuable lessons about the power of the mind and the ease in which your perception can be confused to the point where you can hear/see/feel what isn't there. I absolutely believe in other life forms, but until I see definitive proof, I'm going to assume that it is physically impossible for them to travel up to our neck of the woods.

[dereckfishboy]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>Coach</strong> wrote:<br><p>I once read a book about ufo's..with "UFO's The Scientific Debate" in the title..it was a bit technical, but a few of the scientists conceded that there is evidence of the existance of UFO's</p><p>There was on Book that my roomate wanted me to read about how we have things like cell phones and microwave ovens thanks to alien technology...he is now a scientist that works on disease strains like ebola and stuff. When he was doing his doctorate, he told me that he would log into his lab computer and have alot of his files accessed by the government and have entire experiment logs deleted when he started working with disease bacteria.</p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

I tend to believe a scienitist more often than not, but I've heard some flat out wacky shit from scientists, too. Great minds suffer from mental disorders as easily as the rest of us, and much like a good buzz, I imagine a chemical imbalance can make you believe some shit that makes perfect sense at the time, but looking back at through a clear mind just wasn't right.

[Coach]

This guy was the real deal.....totally serious no mental illness other than the Italian brand..

[angelinad128]

I believe we shouldn't think that we are the only beings alive.

[blakjeezis]

Yeah. There's also dogs and monkeys, foxes, uhm, caterpillars, the odd rosebush, E-Coli, telemarketers.

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>STUGOTS1</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br />a story like this probably pushes me a little closer to believing there are UFOs but as of now i'm still skeptical.&nbsp; <p>whats to be skeptical about?&nbsp; isnt kind of selfish to think that as vast as the universe is that we the only ones out here?&nbsp; </p><p>i hear what you're saying budday...&nbsp; i just think &quot;selfish&quot; doesn't even fit into it. i don't believe i'm looking to gain or keep anything for myself in not believing</p><p>if they exist Cool!&nbsp; &nbsp;if they're friendly i'll be friendly back. if they are aholes then they can take their big heads back to uranus, myanus, heranus, hisanus, or mydogsanus... wherever they come from</p><p>that's just crazytalk</p><p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>if they are aholes then they can take their big heads back to uranus, myanus, heranus, hisanus, or mydogsanus... wherever they come from</p><p>Are you sure you're looking at a planet?&nbsp; Because it might be a dog's ass.</p>

[Mike Teacher]

<p>whats to be skeptical about?&nbsp; isnt kind of selfish to think that as vast as the universe is that we the only ones out here?&nbsp;</p><p>=</p><p>agree completely with the other life out there, I'm just not convinced it's visiting as regularly as some who push UFOs through books/movies/ tv docus would have us believe.</p><p>I'll steal from Sagan, who was misunderstood because he was a big UFO skeptic while simultaneously a big proponent of radio astronomy searches for life around the Universe, as it was his hope, if not belief, that the universe was filled with life, the Q&nbsp;being does it acheive intelligence, then a high enough technology to travel around, or let&nbsp;itself be known by your radio emissions. Or care to visit even if it could.</p><p>Thats where I am; I like to imagine a universe filled with life, but the distances are huge to even the closest stars in the neighborhood, and even at light travel times, it's a big ass galaxy, and its only one of gazillions. Hell its 2 million years plus at light speed to the nearest big spiral in andromeda.</p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>Mike Teacher</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Thats where I am; I like to imagine a universe filled with life, but the distances are huge to even the closest stars in the neighborhood, and even at light travel times, it's a big ass galaxy, and its only one of gazillions. Hell its 2 million years plus at light speed to the nearest big spiral in andromeda.</p><p>I agree with you on the distance matter Mike T.&nbsp; The civilization would have to be so advanced that in all likely hood they probably wouldn't be interested in us.&nbsp; Too primitive.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BUT.. in doing some more research.. I found this about Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell!</p><p><a href="http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/546961411.html?FMT=FT&FMTS=FT&date=Feb+18,+2004&desc=Former+astronaut:+We've+had+otherworldly+visi tors" target="_blank">Former astronaut: We've had otherworldly visitors</a></p><p>The aliens have landed.</p><p>Thus declared Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell on Saturday to a crowd of more than 200 admirers.</p><p>&quot;A few insiders know the truth . . . and are studying the bodies that have been discovered,&quot; said Mitchell, who was the sixth man to walk on the moon.</p><p>Mitchell, who landed on the moon with Alan B. Shepard, said a &quot;cabal&quot; of insiders stopped briefing presidents about extraterrestrials after President Kennedy.</p><p>&quot;Presidents Carter and Clinton tried to get it opened up,&quot; he said, adding that only insistence by the public will produce the truth.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I know Clinton has mentioned he tried to find out but was shut out.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So now that is THREE American astronauts who have claimed aliens are afoot.&nbsp; Something's up!</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>Mike Teacher</strong> wrote:<br /><p>whats to be skeptical about?&nbsp; isnt kind of selfish to think that as vast as the universe is that we the only ones out here?&nbsp;</p><p>for some reason i'm not getting the &quot;selfish&quot; part... do you mean Elfish?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" /></p><p>honestly, what is selfish about not believing it, i'm not looking for any gain.&nbsp;&nbsp; if you do believe does that mean you are generous?</p>

[FezPaul]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/mad.jpg<br />

[FUNKMAN]

<p><img height="407" src="http://www.maxcatsrealm.com/main/mars_attacks.jpg" width="533" border="0" /></p><p>bring it on!</p><p>just don't let her blow you&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OUUUUUUCH!</p>

[sr71blackbird]

I am sure there is life out there.&nbsp; But knowing the distances and time it would take to travel, even if the closest sun to ours had a planet with like, it would take decades at near light speed to reach us, and then to head back? For what gain?&nbsp; Who would be willing to waste that much time to head out to see us?&nbsp; If we had the ability tio create craft that could travel these distances at near light speed, and it would take decades, why would we send them manned?&nbsp; More likely, if we were going to check stuff out, we would send probes.&nbsp; <br />I would go so far as to say it is impossible that there is no other life out there.&nbsp; I believe extinct life will even be found on Mars and on some of Jupiter's moons. <br />I would not at all be suprised if we start picking up transmissions from other civilizations that were broadcast decades ago.&nbsp;

[dereckfishboy]

All I know is, pretty much ever earth-based culture has it's own form of pornography. I want ALIEN PORNO GODDAMNIT!!!<br />

[bobrobot]

<p><font color="#000099"><strong></strong><font color="#000000"> </font><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/87/topic/51458">Buzz Aldrin admits to seeing UFOs on Apollo mission</a><font color="#000000"> </font><strong></strong></font></p><p><strong><font color="#000099">But have the UFOs admitted to seeing Buzz Aldrin?</font></strong></p><p><img height="52" src="http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/anisaucer.gif" width="144" border="0" /></p><p><img height="192" src="http://www.open2.net/digitalplanet/Photos/tv6space/buzzb.jpg" width="256" border="0" /></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by bobogolem on 7-27-06 @ 11:48 PM</span>

[soupcan]

aldrin was on coast to coast am last nite and denied seeing a ufo... he sounded a little anxious<br />

[Furtherman]

<p>So was he denying what he said in the special?&nbsp; Then again, I have not seen it and cannot say how his words were quoted.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>He probably saw something, possibly a piece of the rocket that launched them up there.&nbsp; </p>

[Furtherman]

Another astronaut... making the same claim...

Edit: Actually, he made this claim two years ago as well. He's still sticking by his story.

C'MON ARMSTRONG!!! It'll take him to say something for American press acknowledge.

Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html)

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'.

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said.

[ladyface]

Even if he didn't deny it, what's the story? He might have seen a UFO? An unidentified Flying Object. Like a thing which isn't a wasp or a bee, maybe a hornet, can't put my finger on it... It's not an alien though, it's just something, you know, moving through the air, unidentifiable.

[TheMojoPin]

http://jhoneil.smugmug.com/photos/187293314-L.jpg

[Furtherman]

BUMP!

Talking about it now...

[Furtherman]

A Las Vegas news station is investigating a story with witnesses and Men In Black!

I-Team: New UFO Mystery Surfaces (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/Story.asp?s=8750270)

A large object with a turquoise hue plummeted out of the sky earlier this summer and plowed into the earth south of Las Vegas near Needles, California.

Eyewitnesses say this was no meteorite, especially since a bunch of helicopters came looking for it and then hauled it away.

The object was seen in the early morning hours of May 14. It appeared to crash into the ground just west of the Colorado River. And that's when things got interesting for residents of the area.

Bob says he saw at least five helicopters flying in formation, including a large sky crane. The crane picked up the oval shaped object, still glowing, and flew away, heading in the direction of Las Vegas. One odd detail, the choppers arrived only 17 minutes after the object crashed. He described it to Hayes.

"It was about the size of a semi-trailer, he says, oblong shaped thing," said Hayes.

Out of the blue, the station got a call from a friend in Laughlin who said the Laughlin Airport had been inundated on the night of the crash with so-called Janet planes. That's the airline that flies workers to top secret Area 51. Costigan says the airport could not confirm this because no one is on duty after 6 p.m. at night, not even in the tower.

The black vehicles have left Needles. Bob the houseboat guy can't be found either.

Poor Bob. You saw a weather balloon. That's all you had to say. You saw a weather balloon. Now you're gone.

[Knowledged_one]

On the link that you provided, did you click the learn more button at the bottom of the article? Interesting things

[Furtherman]

On the link that you provided, did you click the learn more button at the bottom of the article? Interesting things

Yea, I've seen that site before. It's a good mix of the scientific and such events that could be considered "X-Files". Fantastic research on the complex crop circles that are popping up more and more. Not claiming aliens made them, but the messages and mathematics behind them.

[Furtherman]

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[NateCantDance]

That's really strange.

[razorboy]

I blame the sauce.

[sailor]

they should have insulated those apollo program space suits better.

[razorboy]

they should have insulated those apollo program space suits better.

They thought cotton candy would suffice in the land of make believe.

[Snoogans]

why is it so hard to believe him? And believe they saw aliens in space?

Can someone explain to me what it is about aliens that people look at it with such fear. Why is there a stigma?

[NateCantDance]

1) Some people think that proof of aliens would discredit their favorite religion.
2) Other people point out the ridiculousness of the idea that interstellar beings both capable and willing to travel hundreds of light years visit Earth choose to do nothing more than occasionally stick probes up our asses and giggle about it from their secret moonbases.
3) Because usually the only people that ever claim to "see" aliens are toothless hillbillies.

[RhinoinMN]

You callin Buzz Aldrin a liar!!!


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[sr71blackbird]

What are the astronomical odds that we would go to the moon and at the same time, aliens be visiting at the same moment? Utter impossibility. Why would any race travel the dozens of years necessary to move through space (assuming they can get to light speed), and make the journey and just observe, without making official contact? If we went on a manned trip to Mars and discovered a town with a kind of people living in it, you dont think we would try and meet them? Sure we would look at them for a bit first to make sure they are not dangerous, but we would absolutely try and make contact. Why would any other race capable of that travel do any different? The monolith he is talking about is simply a formation of the surface of that moon, not a built structure by any intelligence.

[NateCantDance]

What are the astronomical odds that we would go to the moon and at the same time, aliens be visiting at the same moment? Utter impossibility. Why would any race travel the dozens of years necessary to move through space (assuming they can get to light speed), and make the journey and just observe, without making official contact? If we went on a manned trip to Mars and discovered a town with a kind of people living in it, you dont think we would try and meet them? Sure we would look at them for a bit first to make sure they are not dangerous, but we would absolutely try and make contact. Why would any other race capable of that travel do any different? The monolith he is talking about is simply a formation of the surface of that moon, not a built structure by any intelligence.

I for one hope that NASA is sending along the worlds finest assortment of military grade anal probes on every Mars mission they attempt just in case we do happen to find life. God only knows why what we could learn from Martian buttholes.

[brettmojo]

1) Some people think that proof of aliens would discredit their favorite religion.
2) Other people point out the ridiculousness of the idea that interstellar beings both capable and willing to travel hundreds of light years visit Earth choose to do nothing more than occasionally stick probes up our asses and giggle about it from their secret moonbases.
3) Because usually the only people that ever claim to "see" aliens are toothless hillbillies.

1) The biggest issue of all
2) In the same sense why do we bother studying ants, bugs or neanderthals then?
3) Ronald Regan saw a UFO.

What are the astronomical odds that we would go to the moon and at the same time, aliens be visiting at the same moment? Utter impossibility. Why would any race travel the dozens of years necessary to move through space (assuming they can get to light speed), and make the journey and just observe, without making official contact? If we went on a manned trip to Mars and discovered a town with a kind of people living in it, you dont think we would try and meet them? Sure we would look at them for a bit first to make sure they are not dangerous, but we would absolutely try and make contact. Why would any other race capable of that travel do any different? The monolith he is talking about is simply a formation of the surface of that moon, not a built structure by any intelligence.
The flaw in this statement is that you assume space travel/interdimensional crossing is the same chore as it is for us to accomplish as it would be for other civilizations. Whereas it could be as simple for them to do as flipping a switch.

And the reason they might not directly contact Earth's population is that they don't think we're ready for that some sort of contact. Do you go up to monkeys and seriously try to start relations with them?

[Serpico1103]

1) The biggest issue of all
2) In the same sense why do we bother studying ants, bugs or neanderthals then?
3) Ronald Regan saw a UFO.


The flaw in this statement is that you assume space travel/interdimensional crossing is the same chore as it is for us to accomplish as it would be for other civilizations. Whereas it could be as simple for them to do as flipping a switch.

And the reason they might not directly contact Earth's population is that they don't think we're ready for that some sort of contact. Do you go up to monkeys and seriously try to start relations with them?

1) Religion ruins everything.
2) We also burn ants with magnifying glasses, I don't see people getting burned by giant rays- unless I read World News and Reports at the supermarket.
3) Regan was senile. Everyone has seen a UFO. Whether that UFO was an alien spacecraft is a huge leap.

We do try to communicate with monkeys. We try to understand their language and we try to teach them ours.

The belief in aliens is just a new religion. Something to keep your mind off your own insignificant existence- on a universal scale.

[NateCantDance]

2) In the same sense why do we bother studying ants, bugs or neanderthals then?

How are the two topics even remotely related?

3) Ronald Regan saw a UFO.

And he definitely didn't campaign on that issue. If anything that hurt his credibility.


The flaw in this statement is that you assume space travel/interdimensional crossing is the same chore as it is for us to accomplish as it would be for other civilizations. Whereas it could be as simple for them to do as flipping a switch.

You're proposing that a mode of transport that defies the laws of physics and the universe as we currently know them not only exists but can also be trivialized down to the flip of a switch, and you're suggesting that HIS argument is flawed? :laugh:

And the reason they might not directly contact Earth's population is that they don't think we're ready for that some sort of contact. Do you go up to monkeys and seriously try to start relations with them?

No, we catch them, put the in cages, make them wear tiny hats and play tiny accordions for our amusement.

[brettmojo]

2) We also burn ants with magnifying glasses, I don't see people getting burned by giant rays- unless I read World News and Reports at the supermarket.

We do see cattle mutilations reported from all over... Which are largely ignored because really who cares about cows being mutilated. I would imagine any alien species, assuming the intelligence enough to travel to our world, would consider leaving dismembered humans lying around all over the place not the best way to go about studying a planet where they are the dominate species.

You're proposing that a mode of transport that defies the laws of physics and the universe as we currently know them not only exists but can also be trivialized down to the flip of a switch, and you're suggesting that HIS argument is flawed? :laugh:
And you're proposing that humans, a few hundred years removed from KNOWING the Earth was flat and the center of the universe, could even begin to be so arrogant that they can laugh at any possibility just because they couldn't currently begin to comprehend it.

[keithy_19]

http://www.alanhoyle.com/comics/simpsons_aliens.jpeg

[razorboy]

Ronald Regan saw a UFO.

Ronald Regan was a UFO.

[Serpico1103]

We do see cattle mutilations reported from all over... Which are largely ignored because really who cares about cows being mutilated. I would imagine any alien species, assuming the intelligence enough to travel to our world, would consider leaving dismembered humans lying around all over the place not the best way to go about studying a planet where they are the dominate species.


And you're proposing that humans, a few hundred years removed from KNOWING the Earth was flat and the center of the universe, could even begin to be so arrogant that they can laugh at any possibility just because they couldn't currently begin to comprehend it.

Like the original "big guy in the sky", I think it is just another attempt at being part of something larger than ourselves.

[NateCantDance]

And you're proposing that humans, a few hundred years removed from KNOWING the Earth was flat and the center of the universe, could even begin to be so arrogant that they can laugh at any possibility just because they couldn't currently begin to comprehend it.

Is this the RonnyB principal? :laugh:

The flaw in applying the "we're too freaking dumb to understand Aliens/God" argument is that we don't have any sort of proof that either even exists. If they don't, then the whole point is moot. I could just as easily argue that Big Foot's intellect is soooo much more advanced than these visiting aliens that they would have no hope of understanding his purposes and methods, and you'd have no real recourse.

[A.J.]

3) Ronald Regan saw a UFO.

I saw UFO when they opened for Rush back in '87.

[Furtherman]

It was Jimmy Carter who reported seeing the UFO.

And it has since been speculated that because of the time of year, day and where he was looking is that he saw Venus, probably the most common misidentified UFO.

And cattle mutilations are a very real, very unexplained phenomenon that is usually only reported in small town press because that is where most of them happen.

[Snoogans]

What are the astronomical odds that we would go to the moon and at the same time, aliens be visiting at the same moment? Utter impossibility. .

right, ya know, unless they were already there. It could explain why we havent gone back.

My main thing is, people look at the possibilities of aliens while imagine technologies we have. We are discovering things now that in theory makes alot of things "aliens" have been said to be able to do very possible. Yea it seems outlandish to be able to fly 500 million light years to see us. But worm holes arent outlandish. Look at what we have done in the past 100 years. Imagine what we will be able to do in 100 more.

Now imagine there is a civilization that is a couple THOUSAND years ahead of us. From the year 1 to the year 2009, i can easily buy that we can do what "UFO's" can do by the year 4018. Maybe they are in their year 4018. If thats the case, is it so nuts to think they could have some satelite shit, see us leaving earth, and come through a worm hole to see what we are doin? Im sure they are just as curious about other life as we are, wouldnt you think?

What if its future humans who are time traveling? Coming back to make sure we dont fuck anything up? The less active humans get, the easier it is to believe we could evolve into these pussy beings with huge brains who dont like to go outside.


As for the religious angle, I can definately see that. I can also see that the gods of the sky that religions worship ARE actually aliens that came at that time, much like the Cargo Cults in Asia thought we were gods

[topless_mike]

i definately believe that there is life out there somewhere, and i will until i am proven wrong.

[TheMojoPin]

Is this the RonnyB principal? :laugh:

The flaw in applying the "we're too freaking dumb to understand Aliens/God" argument is that we don't have any sort of proof that either even exists. If they don't, then the whole point is moot. I could just as easily argue that Big Foot's intellect is soooo much more advanced than these visiting aliens that they would have no hope of understanding his purposes and methods, and you'd have no real recourse.

Holy shit.

I'm now terrified of genius Bigfoot.

[TheMojoPin]

i definately believe that there is life out there somewhere, and i will until i am proven wrong.

I don't think anyone here is arguing or disputing the idea of life elsewhere in the universe. The debate seems to be over the idea that in the vastness of the universe what are the odds that life elsewhere would intentionally end up here with anything resembling the frequency and volume of sightings that people attribute or are willing to possibly attribute to being aliens.

Personally, I find it ironic that so much of the idea of us being the only life in the universe is hinged on a very profound sense of ego and arrogance, yet so much of the idea of life being out there is hinged on the same since the "proof" of it relies on the inherrent ego and arrogance of thinking that life would of course come here to observe/study/kidnap/whatever us.

Personally, I am of the end that there is indeed evolved life elsewhere in the universe but that we have not been "visited."

[topless_mike]

Personally, I am of the end that there is indeed evolved life elsewhere in the universe but that we have not been "visited."

i agree. i find it hard to believe that with all the millions of galaxies out there, that we are the only ones with a star/rock combo that is hospitable enough to support life.

[DarkHippie]

Holy shit.

I'm now terrified of genius Bigfoot.

Genius Bigfoot would kick ass

[NewYorkDragons80]

1) The biggest issue of all

The Bible has made no claims on other worlds, so I don't think religion is in that much trouble. I'm a big fan of Fr. George Coyne, SJ. He's commented on the issue many times if you're willing to give him the time of day.

[Serpico1103]

The Bible has made no claims on other worlds, so I don't think religion is in that much trouble. I'm a big fan of Fr. George Coyne, SJ. He's commented on the issue many times if you're willing to give him the time of day.

The bible is never the problem. It is a cute collection of gossip, allegories and metaphors. It is organized religion and their "interpretation" of the bible that is anti-progress.

[Furtherman]

Genius Bigfoot would kick ass

Damn right, he hasn't been caught yet!

[NateCantDance]

Fear not, Genius Bigfoot is a benevolent and loving primate. He asks only that you accept him into your heart, and pay a weekly tithe to him.

[KatPw]

I think aliens are a definite possibility. We don't even know all there is to know about our own planet, how would we be able to assume we know everything about everything? We are still discovering new elements. We barely know what lies within the deepest of our ocean trenches. We have only had use of an internal combustion engine since the 1850's. We continue to make leaps and bounds in all different fields of technology. Why would it be impossible to assume that there would be other life forms out there far more advanced than us?
And regarding aliens being in the vicinity of the moon during the moon landing, why would that not be possible? They could have been observing us from a far from quite some time. If you were an alien, and saw the wars and awful things we humans do to each other on a daily basis why would you want to walk up to some random earthling and say "hey how are you, I'm really not from around here"? I wouldn't.

[NateCantDance]

Why would it be impossible to assume that there would be other life forms out there far more advanced than us?
And regarding aliens being in the vicinity of the moon during the moon landing, why would that not be possible? They could have been observing us from a far from quite some time. If you were an alien, and saw the wars and awful things we humans do to each other on a daily basis why would you want to walk up to some random earthling and say "hey how are you, I'm really not from around here"? I wouldn't.

It's not impossible at all to think that there's other life out there. It's just extremely unlikely that sentient life from another star system
1) knows about us
2) is capable of traveling the immense distances between themselves and us
3) can afford the immense energy expenditure it must take to do so
4) Chose to do so.
5) Wants neither to befriend us, nor to exploit us and our planet, but only to watch us for decades from behind the moon. Are they filming a Discovery Channel documentary?

If a race is so much more advanced than us that they can travel between the stars easily, then they're not intimidated by us. Our wars would be like bands of monkey throwing shit at each other from their perspective.

[KatPw]

It's not impossible at all to think that there's other life out there. It's just extremely unlikely that sentient life from another star system
1) knows about us
2) is capable of traveling the immense distances between themselves and us
3) can afford the immense energy expenditure it must take to do so
4) Chose to do so.
5) Wants neither to befriend us, nor to exploit us and our planet, but only to watch us for decades from behind the moon. Are they filming a Discovery Channel documentary?

If a race is so much more advanced than us that they can travel between the stars easily, then they're not intimidated by us. Our wars would be like bands of monkey throwing shit at each other from their perspective.

1) Our planet is very "noisy". How can other beings avoid picking up the noise we send out to the universe? Granted, radio signals are fairly week but they would still travel for about a light year or so (unless something obstructs them).

2) We don't know what technology they have.

3)Again, we don't know what technology they have or what fuel they use.

4)They are an alien intelligence, so how do we know what their thought processes are like. If they are humanoid like us I think we can make assumptions in behavior and motivation but I would not bet the bank on it.

5)What would the aliens have to gain from a relationship with us? Technology? Doubtful since their technology would have to be far superior to ours otherwise they wouldn't be visiting to begin with. Resources? Anything you find on earth (element-wise) can be found in space and would be easier to retrieve. If you want to observe something you need to do it from afar lest you taint the data.

[NateCantDance]

So you're going with the documentary idea?

[Snoogans]

I would say chances are any "visitors" we have to Earth would most likely be future time travelin humans.

YOU CUT OUT THEIR BRAINS

[TheMojoPin]

***NEWSFLASH****

We're not that important and the universe is ginormous.

[KatPw]

So you're going with the documentary idea?

Sure. And I hope they would title it "Look at the Monkeys".

[hanso]

Yea a ufo thread. I did a search under ufo and no threads showed up, not even this one.:sad:

[PapaBear]

Yea a ufo thread. I did a search under ufo and no threads showed up, not even this one.:sad:
The search function doesn't work with anything under 4 letters.

[sailor]

The search function doesn't work with anything under 4 letters.

it does if you add an asterisk. or you can go to google and search the term on this site. just ask gvac.

[A.J.]

***NEWSFLASH****

We're not that important and the universe is ginormous.

Speak for yourself.

[Furtherman]

As much as the unlikelihood of visiting aliens in spaceships due to the limits of our reality (that we know), it is remarkable how many nations have declassified their formerly secret UFO files in the past decade.

France, Canada, Britain, Brazil, Spain, Chile, Peru and Denmark have all released their files to the public. Just this month, Russia released theirs, with a majority of reports matching what former astronaut Gordon Cooper and many, many UFO witnesses have been saying for years: That the UFOs are hiding in the oceans. (http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-07-21/russian-navy-ufo-records-say-aliens-love-oceans.html)

The U.S. has not released any files.

[brettmojo]

As much as the unlikelihood of visiting aliens in spaceships due to the limits of our reality (that we know), it is remarkable how many nations have declassified their formerly secret UFO files in the past decade.

France, Canada, Britain, Brazil, Spain, Chile, Peru and Denmark have all released their files to the public. Just this month, Russia released theirs, with a majority of reports matching what former astronaut Gordon Cooper and many, many UFO witnesses have been saying for years: That the UFOs are hiding in the oceans. (http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-07-21/russian-navy-ufo-records-say-aliens-love-oceans.html)

The U.S. has not released any files.
Where is SeaQuest DSV when you need it?

[Snoogans]

As much as the unlikelihood of visiting aliens in spaceships due to the limits of our reality (that we know), it is remarkable how many nations have declassified their formerly secret UFO files in the past decade.

France, Canada, Britain, Brazil, Spain, Chile, Peru and Denmark have all released their files to the public. Just this month, Russia released theirs, with a majority of reports matching what former astronaut Gordon Cooper and many, many UFO witnesses have been saying for years: That the UFOs are hiding in the oceans. (http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-07-21/russian-navy-ufo-records-say-aliens-love-oceans.html)

The U.S. has not released any files.

Where is SeaQuest DSV when you need it?

Dont laugh. There is as many reports from people seeing USO's as UFO's.

We even have an underwater research facility in the bahamas that has cables leading out to what seems like no where

[ToiletCrusher]

Dont laugh. There is as many reports from people seeing USO's as UFO's.

We even have an underwater research facility in the bahamas that has cables leading out to what seems like no where

Not to mention that there has been less research into the contents of our oceans than there has been of space.

[Furtherman]

Not to mention that there has been less research into the contents of our oceans than there has been of space.

True. We know more about our moon than we do our sea beds.

[Snoogans]

Not to mention that there has been less research into the contents of our oceans than there has been of space.

and theoretically if they can fly around in ways we cant figure out, why couldnt they be able to go through water deeper than we can

[TheMojoPin]

If they can do that, why can't they also turn rock into gold, breathe cotton candy and have the power to shoot electricity?

Sky's the limit.

[Furtherman]

If they can do that, why can't they also turn rock into gold, breathe cotton candy and have the power to shoot electricity?

Sky's the limit.

Oh don't be silly. Carnies can't fly spaceships.

[Snoogans]

If they can do that, why can't they also turn rock into gold, breathe cotton candy and have the power to shoot electricity?

Sky's the limit.

Yea, that makes total sense. Not like humans ever created anything that can go on water AND fly. So crazy to even imagine

[brettmojo]

I want more info on this underwater research place.

[Misteriosa]

http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/attachment/%3Cnar1a1dsu2i8qslul7n7q0ohmuljdc95i6@4ax.com%3E/21.jpg

:thumbup:

[ToiletCrusher]

and theoretically if they can fly around in ways we cant figure out, why couldnt they be able to go through water deeper than we can

The more important question would be to answer why there are squid packs making it further north off the west coast of the US than ever before since we have had interest in migratory patterns of sea creatures.

The most recent thing I had read on the topic was that waters were getting warmer further north.

However, there is no explanation why.

They also know that the squid are killing fish populations that are crucial to the ecosystem of the region and are also cultivated for human consumption.

How is this less important than life outside this planet?

I get it, we aren't the most important thing. But, when threatened in any way, we should investigate the issues that are more impactful on the survival of mankind.

[Snoogans]

I want more info on this underwater research place.

its called AUTEC. They actually have a website, but you can find some special on Youtube from UFO Hunters show where they follow this cable that connects from autec and runs over this underwater cliff and down to what seems like no where, and its like a communications and/or tether cable. Big fuckin steel cable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Undersea_Test_and_Evaluation_Center

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtG02dF4iRQ

this is the link to youtube part 1. It wont let me embed

[ToiletCrusher]

Are there other research facilities like this in the world?

[Snoogans]

Are there other research facilities like this in the world?

im gonna go ahead and say probably. Its a US Navy thing. Im sure other countries have their own type of this shit. Mostly its used for underwater weapons testing and shit. But who really knows why you would need a 4 mile cable running to 20K feet deep water for weapons tests

[TheMojoPin]

Yea, that makes total sense. Not like humans ever created anything that can go on water AND fly. So crazy to even imagine

So again it all comes back to being about us.

This whole thing is a giant "ME-ME-ME-ME!" circlejerk for the human race.

[TheMojoPin]

im gonna go ahead and say probably. Its a US Navy thing. Im sure other countries have their own type of this shit. Mostly its used for underwater weapons testing and shit. But who really knows why you would need a 4 mile cable running to 20K feet deep water for weapons tests

It's the microphone into HELL.

[Snoogans]

So again it all comes back to being about us.

This whole thing is a giant "ME-ME-ME-ME!" circlejerk for the human race.

actually no. Its pointing out your ego of saying it cant happen is wrong because we have almost done it. So it will happen eventually.

[brettmojo]

It's the microphone into HELL.
Nixon is still down there running things.

[TheMojoPin]

Nixon is still down there running things.

All the thing is recording is "HAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

[hanso]

Dont laugh. There is as many reports from people seeing USO's as UFO's.

We even have an underwater research facility in the bahamas that has cables leading out to what seems like no where
Thats
The AUTEC complex on Andros Island in the Bahamas. The installation is facing the Tongue of the Ocean, which contains deep-water hydrophones used in AUTEC's ...
Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Undersea_Test_and_Evaluation_Center

[Snoogans]

Thats
The AUTEC complex on Andros Island in the Bahamas. The installation is facing the Tongue of the Ocean, which contains deep-water hydrophones used in AUTEC's ...
Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Undersea_Test_and_Evaluation_Center

yea, used for what? TALKING TO ALIENS???????

[hanso]

Torpedo testing .
If you google
Torpedo testing autec
You will see lots of returns.

[Snoogans]

Torpedo testing .
If you google
Torpedo testing autec
You will see lots of returns.

of course you will. And im sure they do that. And Im sure they would also tell you if it was something they didnt want you to know.

[hanso]

Things dealing with subs are kept that way.
I bet there is video of this testing on the interwebs however.

[Furtherman]

Buzz Aldrin Is Not All That Impressed With Walking on the Moon (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2010/06/buzz-aldrin-is-not-all-that-impressed-with-walking-on-the-moon.html)

Fantastic interview. Asks the important questions, like how do you shit in space?

He also reiterates that he saw UFOs in space.

http://blog.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/Buzz.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

Buzz Aldrin Is Not All That Impressed With Walking on the Moon (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2010/06/buzz-aldrin-is-not-all-that-impressed-with-walking-on-the-moon.html)

Fantastic interview. Asks the important questions, like how do you shit in space?

He also reiterates that he saw UFOs in space.

http://blog.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/Buzz.jpg

He then thanked the interviewer for his time and punched him out.

[StanUpshaw]

He also reiterates that he saw UFOs in space.


:rolleyes:

A. So an orbit later, we looked out the window and there were three bags in a row, heading straight for us.

Q. Did you recognize what they were right away? A couple of years ago you hinted that you might’ve seen a UFO during a space mission. Is it possible you were just looking at floating bags of your own poo?

A. (Laughs.) No, not at all. They were very close. We could certainly tell what they were.

Don't be an asshole. Aldrin didn't mention UFOs at all.

[Furtherman]

He's referring to what he said in the interview that was linked in the article. So yea, that's not being an asshole.

[StanUpshaw]

Please try to comprehend what you're reading.

Aldrin is only talking about bags of piss and shit.




So yea, either asshole or dummy.

[Furtherman]

Is it possible you were just looking at floating bags of your own poo?

A. (Laughs.) No, not at all.


Yea, please work on your reading comprehension.

[hammersavage]

I think the 'no, not at all' settles it.

[StanUpshaw]

"No, not at all. They were very close. We could certainly tell what they were."

"they" is the bags. That is why they could tell what "they" were. If they knew what "they" were, then "they" sure as fuck weren't UNIDENTIFIED flying objects.

Not to mention that he insists that video clip edits out his explanation that they were "one of four detached spacecraft adapter panels."


ASSHOLE!

[Furtherman]

Someone hates aliens! But loves personal attacks!

Come back tomorrow when you can be a little more personable and calm.



You see, I don't really think aliens are landing, nor robots are taking over, nor octopi will eat us when we sleep. They're fun stories. Floating bags of shit in space? That's priceless.

Lighten up, Francis.

[Chigworthy]

Down goes Upshaw!

[keithy_19]

Down goes Upshaw!

It's kind of an oxymoron..

Ok, not really.

He should know not to be a smartass to futherman.

[Suspect Chin]

Furtherman got his feelings hurt and wielded his pretend hand of god.

[hanso]

The closed minded fact checker is surfing with the aliens.

[torker]

smote'd

[torker]

http://paranormaldailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fire-in-the-sky-125.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

Someone hates aliens! But loves personal attacks!

Come back tomorrow when you can be a little more personable and calm.



You see, I don't really think aliens are landing, nor robots are taking over, nor octopi will eat us when we sleep. They're fun stories. Floating bags of shit in space? That's priceless.

Lighten up, Francis.

Then claim YOU saw saw a ufo. Don't deliberately twist an astronaut's words to fit your fun little stories. If you said you saw a flying saucer, I wouldn't have reacted, since your testimony is of zero worth.

But you didn't. You found a person whose words actually have value, and decided to spread lies in his name. It's a shady, loathsome thing you did.

[StanUpshaw]

The closed minded fact checker is surfing with the aliens.

"Fact checker" is an insult to you.

That speaks volumes.

[hanso]

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[Furtherman]

But you didn't. You found a person whose words actually have value, and decided to spread lies in his name. It's a shady, loathsome thing you did.

Yes. I'm spreading filthy lies. Guess who else I'm going to run through the mud and smear his good name?

Edgar Mitchell! Apollo 14 astronaut and sixth man on the moon!


"Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out."

[StanUpshaw]

Mitchell actually says things like that.

Aldrin, however, does not. And he did not "reiterate that he saw UFOs in space."

You were factual when you posted about Mitchell. You were either ignorant of the facts, or just plain deceitful, when you posted about Aldrin.




I hope this clears it up for you!

[Furtherman]

Nothing to be cleared up. I've only stated what these guys have said.

[StanUpshaw]

No, you've been taken in by some ominous music and breathy narration, and bought the bullshit they spewed on some trashy UK "documentary." If you'd cared to know what Aldrin says, such clips are readily available. So answer the question: Are you ignorant of the facts, or are you being deliberately dishonest?

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[Furtherman]

I'm deliberately enjoying your responses.

[StanUpshaw]

Seems odd that you'd ban me then.

[Chigworthy]

Seems odd that you'd ban me then.

You've got to slap your pet monkey once in a while to keep things interesting.

[Furtherman]

Seems odd that you'd ban me then.

Rules are rules.

But to clear it up for you, so you know we're not having too much fun, here are some past responses in this very thread.


He probably saw something, possibly a piece of the rocket that launched them up there.&nbsp; </p>

As much as the unlikelihood of visiting aliens in spaceships due to the limits of our reality.

That's how I really think.

Then again, I love when he says stuff like this:

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MONOLITH!!!!

[hanso]

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[Radioguy]

I'd believe it more if Sean Connery narrated it.

[Chigworthy]

You've got to slap your pet monkey once in a while to keep things interesting.
I don't remember posting this.

[Crash]

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Sooo...

..we're being stalked by a species of glowing dust mites?

And really, if NASA knew there were aliens within our orbit, and they wanted to keep it on the down low from the public, don't you think they would have given our astronauts a code word so they wouldn't blurt out shit like "alien spacecraft"? I don't know, maybe something like "sunspot". Or "flaming cheerio". You know, something a little more subtle.

[Crispy123]

I don't remember posting this.

That doesn't make it any less true.