The Dark Knight

[TooLowBrow]

That looks good, but it also looks pretty fake. The lighting is pretty funky if it's the real deal.

i guess if you make a batman movie you can make it cool by keeping batman dark and scary, but the bad guys still have to be cartoony and colorful

[Doctor Manhattan]

That looks good, but it also looks pretty fake. The lighting is pretty funky if it's the real deal.

If it's real, It looks like a test of some kind. And if that's real, what a fucking scary Two Face they are going for!

[TheMojoPin]

If it's real, it's gonna look like shit "in motion."

[PapaBear]

Some idiot has been tagging "Why So Serious" around here lately. It's the same person doing it, because the writing is identical on all of them. For the most part, he's done it in places that really don't matter that much. But he did do one that was beyond stupid. He did it on the wall of a beautiful historic library. The graffiti was successfully removed the next day without any real damage to the building. But here's the REALLY stupid part. Though he spelled it right in all of the other places, on the wall of the library, he wrote "Why So Sereous". STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!:wallbash:

[CruelCircus]

Are there any popcorn movies worth seeing after The Dark Knight? Iron Man and Indiana Jones come out before it.


X-Files.

July 25th.

[Judge Smails]

I noticed that Comcast On-Demand has a bunch of free episodes of something called "Gotham Tonight" with Anthony Michael Hall playing the host.

If you have Comcast, go to On-Demand - go to Movies & Events - then go down to The Dark Knight.

Some are also available on THIS (http://gothamcablenews.com/gotham_tonight.aspx) website. Looks like they did a lot of work to create a backstory for this movie. I hope it's worth it.


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[TheMojoPin]

I finally saw those On Demand "Gothma Tonight" clips...pretty amusing. I guess that explains Anthony Michael Hall's "mystery role" with him showing up as the newscaster in the first clip. The second clip is newly up, and it's a profile of Bruce Wayne. Sounds like there will be at least one more about Lt. Gordon and the "new criminal element" in the city within a week or two.

On Demand also has an alternate theatrical trailer that has more new Joker lines and scenes:

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Granted, we've only seen a little so far, but Ledger looks and sounds amazing in this. He really seems like a completely different person compared to anything else he's played or how he seemed in interviews.

[Disaster]

looks good just hope it isnt a big let down cant figure out why its being released as late in the summer movie run as it is

[TheMojoPin]

looks good just hope it isnt a big let down cant figure out why its being released as late in the summer movie run as it is

Crowded summer schedule. With multiple comic book flicks coming out, WB likely didn't want to risk losing any money by trying to run this up against ay of the other big ones. By putting it towards the end, they're banking, wisely, tha the extra anticiaption will pull in people who might have otherwise been burned out by so many superhero flicks.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Crowded summer schedule. With multiple comic book flicks coming out, WB likely didn't want to risk losing any money by trying to run this up against ay of the other big ones. By putting it towards the end, they're banking, wisely, tha the extra anticiaption will pull in people who might have otherwise been burned out by so many superhero flicks.

Wait, they have a comic book about these characters?

[IamFogHat]

Things are looking good.
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=8511

[EliSnow]

I can't read this at work, but apparently, Rolling Stone has a review (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/16155928/review/21477208/the_dark_knight)that raves about the movie.

[Furtherman]

The first 4 days on the IMAX is sold out... unless you want to see a midnight showing on Sunday. I was able to get a ticket for Monday. If you want to see it in NYC on IMAX - buy 'em now!

[KingGeno]

This will be movie of the summer, specially with the buzz around Ledger's Joker being a legit oscar contender. All the reviews so far said that the movie not only is super R-rated, but it actually captures the panic and feel of 9/11 in some scenes. This movie is going to be amazing...

[Furtherman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/The_Dark_Knight_43.jpg

[epo]

WWTDD has the 6 minute opening of the movie up. Link here. (http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=8851)

I must admit that I generally hate popcorn movies, but that is a very interesting opening.

[KingGeno]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7453

The Dark Knight to Pack Theaters Just Before the Dawn
Source: Fandango
July 9, 2008


Need we say more?

With more than a week to go before the highly-anticipated release of "The Dark Knight," Fandango, the nation's leading moviegoer destination, reports that many of its pre-opening Thursday midnight shows on July 17 are already sold out in cities across the country, from New York to Boise, Idaho. Theaters continue to add 3:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. pre-opening showtimes to meet the ticketing demand.

"'The Dark Knight' may be responsible for a lot of bleary eyes at work next Friday morning," says Rick Butler, Chief Operating Officer for Fandango. "We're seeing a record number of late-night showtimes selling out in advance, while theaters are adding new performances every day."

More than 1,500 late-night showtimes of the movie have been scheduled for the film's pre-opening on Thursday night (Friday morning), July 17-18, at Fandango.com/TheDarkKnight. An online survey of more than 3,000 "The Dark Knight" fans on Fandango.com over the holiday weekend offered the following information on the late-night surge:

* 37% of respondents plan to see the film at least once during one of the late night performances on Thursday night.
* 38% say that they intend to take off a few hours or the entire day from work on Friday as a result of seeing the movie the night before.
* 60% of these moviegoers are male.
* 71% are under the age of 35.
* 39% plan to see the film in IMAX(R).
* 92% expect that the Academy will recognize Heath Ledger's performance as The Joker with a posthumous Oscar(R) nomination next year.

For Fandango, "The Dark Knight" is poised to be the year's top advance ticket-seller in wide release, outpacing "Iron Man," "Indiana Jones 4" and "Sex and the City" at the same point in those films' sales cycles.


This movie is sorta a big deal.

[HBox]

I just picked up Begins on Blu-Ray. It has the six minute IMAX opening on it in hi-def. I think I'll go watch that now.

[IamFogHat]

I'm guessing this will change at least slightly in the next week to two weeks or so as the film comes out and all the critics have seen it but has anyone seen this yet...
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight/
HOLY SHIT!

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm hoping this movie shows people what a *good* "summer movie" is all about. I hope it shows them that a summer movie doesn't have to be shit blowing up for no reason or 2 hours of dumbass dick jokes. Maybe this will put Michael Bay out of business. Maybe.

Or maybe it'll suck after all and I'll just be disappointed.

[EliSnow]

I have my ticket for Saturday night's show.

Going to pick up the animated "prequel" Gotham Night today to watch on friday. Anyone else seen this yet?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BFUzYNzyL._SS500_.jpg

[TooLowBrow]

I have my ticket for Saturday night's show.

Going to pick up the animated "prequel" Gotham Night today to watch on friday. Anyone else seen this yet?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BFUzYNzyL._SS500_.jpg
yeah, of the six stories, one was ok. batman wasnt very raspy, he used a normal speaking voice, even when dealing with criminals

[EliSnow]

yeah, of the six stories, one was ok. batman wasnt very raspy, he used a normal speaking voice, even when dealing with criminals

So one was okay, the rest weren't good?

Maybe I won't get it.

[spadanko]

The head of our department sent us an email the other day that he bought everyone tickets (60 tickets!) to the 10 AM showing on Friday. so sweet, can't wait.

One of the guys ehre at work has already seen it, and he was completely speechless. Says ledger was brilliant and that the trailers give absolutely nothing away.

[TheMojoPin]

So one was okay, the rest weren't good?

Maybe I won't get it.

It's pretty solid. Several of the segments are written by some quality comic writers, so it's got a faithful vibe to both the comics and the latest films. Loved the voicework...Kevin Conroy can voice Batman and Bruce Wayne whenever he wants. Whenver I read the comics, it's his voice I hear.

[Friday]

i'm going on friday!
i'm going on friday!
i'm going on friday!

wheeeeee

[Fallon]

i'm going on friday!
i'm going on friday!
i'm going on friday!

wheeeeee

Are you talking in third person about pissing yourself?

[Willmore]

Rottentomatoes is awesome.

The Dark Knight has 33 reviews, 29 positive, 4 negative.

The average positive review has 7-8 comments.

Just this one negative review by David Denby of the New Yorker has 475 comments.

Here are some:
im going to ****ing hunt you down and rip out your testicles and then im going to rip off your dick and stick it down your throat so you choke to death on your own semen you ****ing douche

can you please rid yourself from this world you bearded ****

your going to hell for this

i will pass along the story to my children about the bearded **** sucker named David Denby who gave the Dark knight a negative review and how he is a ***


And all of that just in the last hour or so.

Isn't the internet great?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think RT commenters (sp?) are possible worse than FARK, somethingawful, and WB combined.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I think RT commenters (sp?) are possible worse than FARK, somethingawful, and WB combined.

I had no idea there were comments on that site (I guess most have a place to post comments these days)

I usually just look at the Tomato meter, sometimes I will scan the reviews.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5711/darkknightam9.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

I had no idea there were comments on that site (I guess most have a place to post comments these days)

I usually just look at the Tomato meter, sometimes I will scan the reviews.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5711/darkknightam9.jpg

Yeah, same here. I didn't know there were comments, but man, after reading some of them for TDK, people are WAY too hung up on whether ot not a film gets a good review.

[KingGeno]

Even worse are the losers over at the Superhero Hype (http://www.superherohype.com) message boards. Lots of lowlife losers.

[Doctor Manhattan]

i'm going on friday!

I don't usually do this, but I just purchased tickets for Midnight tonight.
I don't have any "connections" for screeners or free tickets :furious:
There are no IMAX showings near me:thumbdown:

[furie]

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994%3ABlogPost%3A355506

[Friday]

I don't usually do this, but I just purchased tickets for Midnight tonight.
I don't have any "connections" for screeners or free tickets :furious:
There are no IMAX showings near me:thumbdown:

oooh have fun!
i am bummed about the IMAX thing too, but it will not rooon my enjoyment tomorrow night.

And this is big for me... I usually avoid opening weekends because I hate people, but I cannot wait for this one. So we got advance tix and I will be having buttery popcorn for dinner tomorrow evening! Wheeeeeeeeeeee

[IamFogHat]

Can you imagine being a person involved in a film opening the same weekend as this monster? Especially since when you were working on it you had no idea the date you'd be up on and what you'd be up against? Must be a nightmare.
Anyway, can't wait till tomorrow!!

[TheMojoPin]

Apparently from earlier today, every showing was sold out here for 36 hours. I'm not going until Sunday night at the earliest thanks to stupid work.

USE SPOILER TAGS, FUCKOS.

[Kit the Eskimo]

Going to the 4:20 showing at the Cinerama here in Seattle. Can't wait!

[HBox]

It lived up to the hype.

I have a magic trick. I'm going to make this pencil disappear.


:ohmy:






























:laugh:

[HBox]

Oh yeah, one more thing.

They have to be really, really, really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY regretting killing off Dent.

[Sheeplovr]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man

sooo solid thats all to say till everyone see it

in 2 weeks time chat it up liek rabid animals


annnd well this should be in my fourm jsut saying

i demand comicbook movies to be in my fourm

oh oh oh

I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE WATCHMEN TRAILER

and im the only fucking person who almost stood up and cried when they showed it oh my god

ask debbie she saw me freak

[Sheeplovr]

oh yeah the Day the Earth stood still trailer is like seeing my dad get kicked in the balls
god awful
just beyond awful
there's no words to describe how horrible it is

i think i have to make up a word

umm Qurapkrumkriday

yeah Qurapkrumkriday is the ticket thats how horible it is

[Jimbo_NY75]

oh yeah the Day the Earth stood still trailer is like seeing my dad get kicked in the balls
god awful
just beyond awful
there's no words to describe how horrible it is

i think i have to make up a word

umm Qurapkrumkriday

yeah Qurapkrumkriday is the ticket thats how horible it is

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j60/Jimbo_NY75/The-Day-the-Earth-Stood-Still-Maste.jpg

why can't they leave classics alone
"Klaatu barada nikto"

[KingGeno]

Oh boy. What a movie........went to a 12:03AM showing, non-IMAX, non-HD. Need more ccoffee before review is up though. I am just exhausted....

[Doctor Manhattan]

Oh yeah, one more thing.

They have to be really, really, really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY regretting killing off Dent.

True, I am still upset they killed off Ra's al Ghul from the first movie...or did they? They have other villians they can use. I don't know how they could go back to Joker anytime soon.

So that guy who worked for Wayne who figured out who The Batman was because he found the plans for the Tumbler: When they made that for the military wouldn't there be a lot of people involved who would have noticed Batman driving the thing around Gotham? Why hasn't someone put it together before now? And now this guy is walking around knowing who he is on top of Fox and Alfred?

Will they(Fox) build another "car"? The "Batpod" is cool but it is just an escape pod, it can't remain his primary vehicle. He also lost the Lamborghini Murcielago (Was that the same one from Batman Begins?)

Holy shit Heath was bad ass in the film. The Oscar is going to him, no question.
Can't wait to see Watchmen!

[patsopinion]

man it was long

it really was like 2 complete movies rolled into one
excellent



see it!

[patsopinion]

True, I am still upset they killed off Ra's al Ghul from the first movie...or did they? They have other villians they can use. I don't know how they could go back to Joker anytime soon.

So that guy who worked for Wayne who figured out who The Batman was because he found the plans for the Tumbler: When they made that for the military wouldn't there be a lot of people involved who would have noticed Batman driving the thing around Gotham? Why hasn't someone put it together before now? And now this guy is walking around knowing who he is on top of Fox and Alfred?

Will they(Fox) build another "car"? The "Batpod" is cool but it is just an escape pod, it can't remain his primary vehicle. He also lost the Lamborghini Murcielago (Was that the same one from Batman Begins?)

Holy shit Heath was bad ass in the film. The Oscar is going to him, no question.
Can't wait to see Watchmen!


couldnt agree with you more
except im waiting for terminator
fuck that looks badass

they can prob wait a year before they get going on the next batman

[KingGeno]

Watchmen trailer got my nerd boner raging. Man, what an excellent teaser trailer. Great choice in music.

As for Dark Knight:

Saw it on a normal screen with marginal sound. Meh sauce. I highly suggest IMAX or a Digital Projection screen. The movie is really dark when it is dark.

The movie had up to four climaxes, and it really took your ass on a ride. You were part of the story. You were as helpless, and clueless as the main characters and citizens of Gotham. You had not a clue where the next knife in the back or explosion or surprise would come from. It was a tense movie, with the occasional psychotic funny moment where you shouldn't be laughing, but the acting makes you laugh.

Christian Bale was was great as Bruce Wayne/Batman. You could really feel the weight of the really really bad situation he got himself into just falling down around him, and there is nothing worse than having someone laugh at you and kick you when you down again. He was a pawn and the rock to which all of this mayhem happens. He was the thread that held it in place too.

Heath Ledger as the Joker really was unbelievable. I watched every little thing he did, such as smacking the lips and licking his lips, twitching and quickchanging facial expressions, going from puppet body to tense psycho strength tenseness that only a complete maniac shows. I compared his body and mind behavior to the beginning scene of Sixth Sense, Donny Wahlberg's acting as the crazed and lost lunatic. Muscle, Panic, non-caring, just ripping through his own flesh and bone for an exit. Heath's performance was so spot on as a psycho, and the Joker theme they had for him was spot on.

When you look at him on screen, you assume the scared cat stare position. You tuck that chin, and just stare up at him with your wide eyes. You HOPE you don't ever meet someone like him. His antics on screen are hilarious and tragic. I say with no doubt that he should be celebrated for his complete immersion into a roll with an Oscar. I can tell that this is a performance that I will never tire of. Oh, and that Pencil trick.....and the Nurse Act.......oh boy, so devilishly sweet!

Aaron Eckhart was the act that just came out of left field for me, and kicked my ass. Boy, was he amazing as the roll. Such a tragic character who loses himself in his pursuit of a peaceful city. Loses everything at the end, including his mind. The ultimate victim, and I am SO happy that they projected him as a mentally destroyed vigilante and not a villian. The man's mind was completely tore apart by Joker, and ya just hate to see the guy like that. TwoFace makeup was excellent, and I am very happy how they did it.

I am happy they killed off Rachel Dawes. It fed Harvey's downfall, and that was rough to watch.

As for the direction they are taking for the sequel, a man on the run. I like that. It is completely real. You know damn well that if something like this happened in New York or Philly, and someone or some group of citizen's took charge and started taking out the baddies, you would have that split. You want them to keep doing it, but you know that they too are breaking the law. it's gonna be interesting to see how Batman/Bruce Wayne resolves this issue.

I'm all over the place with the review, cuz I am exhausted.



Ten :thumbup:'s out of Ten.
Crime Drama on the level of Departed, Heat, and Godfather 2.
It's just that Damn Good.

[Furtherman]

I have to wait until Monday to see it. IMAX is worth the wait.

I enjoyed reading the beginning of this thread how so many of us had doubts about Heath as the Joker. Even I questioned the casting.

[foodcourtdruide]

Am I the only one that can read all spoilers and not enjoy a movie and any more or any less?

[KingGeno]

Am I the only one that can read all spoilers and not enjoy a movie and any more or any less?

I have a tendency to give into spoilers, specially with LOST. But I am glad I went into this movie spoiler-free, just due to the amount of climaxes and twists and turns it has.

[cartshlepper]

The movie sounds great, I can't wait to hear Fez and East Side Dave's rev.....oh wait, thats right. I guess I will have to see it myself with a big bucket of popcorn!:innocent:

[Friday]

Am I the only one that can read all spoilers and not enjoy a movie and any more or any less?

i like to go into a movie as cold as possible... i try not to watch too many trailers and definitely no spoilers. the element of surprise is very enticing to me.

that being said.... seeing all of this black is getting me amped for tonight! wheeeeeeeeeee

[Doctor Manhattan]

Am I the only one that can read all spoilers and not enjoy a movie and any more or any less?

Sure, if a movie is good then "spoilers" won't actually spoil the movie. I enjoyed the Lord of the Rings movies and I know how it ended with those 50 year old spoilers that were out there.

[Dirtybird12]

of all the idiots who have tried to rip of perrynoid's gimmick - the dead drug addict's joker is by far the best.
:clap:

[foodcourtdruide]

I think there is absolutely nothing that can happen in any movie that could invoke a sense of "shock" that I would be otherwise unprepared for. If Bruce Wayne drops dead in this movie nothing in reality would change and there would be no real reprocussions in my life.

[foodcourtdruide]

i like to go into a movie as cold as possible... i try not to watch too many trailers and definitely no spoilers. the element of surprise is very enticing to me.

that being said.... seeing all of this black is getting me amped for tonight! wheeeeeeeeeee

That's kind of depressing to me, I almost feel like I have no immagination. I'm a robot!

[KingGeno]

I'll say this again. I walked out of the theater happier than I have been from a movie then I can remember. I am going to see this movie again, but I walked out thinking it was up there with how I felt about Departed, Godfather 2, and Heat right afterwards.

That and the Watchmen (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/must-watch-zack-snyders-watchmen-trailer-absolutely-stunning/) trailer got me a little moisty eyed. That is one of the first and my fav novels of all time.

[spadanko]

Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg! Omg!

[Contra]

This movie was fucking amazing

This should put Ledger up for an Oscar!

And their were twists that I didn't expect, so I'm glad for not reading spoilers

Also the Terminator: Salvation trailer was the one that got me amped.

[Fallon]

Awesome movie, but during the Batman talking scenes all I could think about is Jimmy being upset.

Still, fantastic.

[Contra]

Yeah the raspy talking got to me too

[HBox]

The raspy voice thing got so bad and over the top during the Joker I could barely understand what Bale was saying.

That scene also had the most depressing line of the movie from the Joker: "I feel like we could be doing this forever."

:down:

[ScottFromGA]

awesome movie, the greatest superhero movie to date....IMO.


only beef with it is that Bale sounded more like Jim Carrey from The Cable Guy than The Dark Knight.

Batman needs lysp-therapy?

[KingGeno]

The problem was that he over-stressed his voice the whole movie. The voice he used in this movie was the voice he used from Batman Begins when he was screaming at Scarecrow, or screaming at thugs and such. If only he spoke as he did when he first met Rachel Dawes as Batman in the first movie, it would have worked.

Maybe it was deliberate to show that the man has a grizzly beaten down voice from all the work he has been doing?

[bobsnin]

I'll say this again. I walked out of the theater happier than I have been from a movie then I can remember. I am going to see this movie again, but I walked out thinking it was up there with how I felt about Departed, Godfather 2, and Heat right afterwards.

That and the Watchmen (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/must-watch-zack-snyders-watchmen-trailer-absolutely-stunning/) trailer got me a little moisty eyed. That is one of the first and my fav novels of all time.

Absolutely agree. It almost made superheroes/comics realistic. My only qualm was that it may have dragged out a little more than it should have. That and because of Fez, every time Ledger was on the screen, I thought, he's dead. My galfriend thought the same.

Taking my little brother to see it tomorrow morning, so I'll get a better perspective.

[Friday]

Yeah the raspy talking got to me too

really? it kind of made my panties moist :bye:

The raspy voice thing got so bad and over the top during the Joker I could barely understand what Bale was saying.

That scene also had the most depressing line of the movie from the Joker: "I feel like we could be doing this forever."

:down:

yeah... that was the tough part.
but after seeing his performance in 'Candy', i had a feeling he would up the anty and make something special out of the role.
and he did.

what a fantastic ensemble cast.
i <3 Christian Bale... and not just cause he is pretty. he BECOMES his characters.

there is so much to process.
i think i may need to see this again at some point. in theatre or Imax.

for now, all i can say is.....

:clap: Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :clap:

[bobsnin]

there is so much to process.
i think i may need to see this again at some point. in theatre or Imax.

Can't remember the last movie I saw twice in the theater, but I'm going tomorrow.

[Friday]

Can't remember the last movie I saw twice in the theater, but I'm going tomorrow.

I need a few days to process but I think i will go to another showing next week... during the day or something. Just to get another look. I really loved it.

On a side note... bravo to Maggie G. I normally hate when they change actors mid-stream but she was a great choice for Rachel replacement. The role of Rachel in this movie was way more involved and it worked brilliantly.

[HBox]

There was one pretty big plot hole:

It would cause a massive international incident at a minimum, and possibly even war, if a business man were abducted in such a way from China and the next day ends up in an American city.

[KingGeno]

One ploit hole that I expect will be fleshed out in the Blu-Ray/DVD:

Joker shows up in Wayne's place, Batman confronts him, jumps out window to save Maggie Gylenhall.....AND SCENE! What happened to Joker? And the people up there? How did Joker get out? I remember reading that the scene in the trailer with Joker sitting in the back of a car clapping his hands is RIGHT after this scene. This is when he supposedly figures out that the best way to bring down Batman is to wreck EVERYTHING he loves most. This echos a LOT of what Ra's Al Ghul and Alfred warned him about in Batman Begins. Would have liked to have that in the movie...

-and-

I want more TWO-FACE dammit! I know the movie is long already, but there has to be some scenes showing how he goes from one minute killing mafioso....to deciding to want to harm an old friend's child. This felt rushed. His death was rushed too...........He died an evil sick man, and that is just heartbreaking. Amazing angle they took with Two-Face, and it makes him that much of a better character in the comic. Truly a fallen hero.

[ScottFromGA]

I need a few days to process but I think i will go to another showing next week... during the day or something. Just to get another look. I really loved it.

On a side note... bravo to Maggie G. I normally hate when they change actors mid-stream but she was a great choice for Rachel replacement. The role of Rachel in this movie was way more involved and it worked brilliantly.

wait....I thought she played in "Begins"


or was that Katie Holmes.....:wacko:

[fezident]

Has anyone, anywhere, at anytime, even jokingly, ever said that Maggie Gyllenhall was "good looking"?

Seriously.
I'd rather masturbate.



Oh yeah... and the movie was good. Too long... but really good.

[ScottFromGA]

Has anyone, anywhere, at anytime, even jokingly, ever said that Maggie Gyllenhall was "good looking"?

Seriously.
I'd rather masturbate.



Oh yeah... and the movie was good. Too long... but really good.

i dunno...I spent 30 bucks to see a movie last night. That movie left me feeling very satisfied with what I had purchased. If it was the same but 90 minutes, I'd probably be pissed.

[Drunky McBetidont]

the mummy trailer looked like dog shit. aand it showed what must be the entire movie.
had already seen watchmen trailer but loved it again

batman movie was better then i expected. i liked it.:thumbup:

[KingGeno]

Has anyone, anywhere, at anytime, even jokingly, ever said that Maggie Gyllenhall was "good looking"?

I don't think so, but I would rail that ass the way she acted in Secretary (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/).

[fezident]

When The Joker "made this pencil disappear"... the crowd had such a great reaction.

It was a sudden "WHOA!" followed by an amazing smattering of laughter and applause. It really set the tone.
As an audience, we were all totally into this movie. No cellphonery. No constant bathroomery.

I still feel like the third act of this film felt more like a trimester. It was way long. It was GOOD but... there's such a thing as too-much-of-a-good-thing... and this was it.
It felt like a "Director Cut".

I give it a 9/10.
And that's WITH my deep hatred for Maggie G.

Really good movie.

[NewYorkDragons80]

This was the best movie I've seen since The Departed. The acting, music, action, symbolism and THE STORY. I don't think another film will ever sum up America's reaction to/handling of the War on Terror so well. And the dark scenes are legitimately scary. Some people in the audience were laughing, but most were terrified of the Joker. Ledger and Nolan have molded a character that was meant to be a cartoonish pun-hurling thug into a completely realistic sociopathic serial killer. Not only should Ledger get the Oscar for best supporting actor, but this movie should be at least nominated for best screenplay, if not best picture. And Aaron Eckhart has finally done Harvey Dent justice. Tommy Lee Jones and Joel Schumacher should be spat on now that we've seen Two-Face as the tragic villain he is. 10 extra large popcorn buckets!

Yeah, same here. I didn't know there were comments, but man, after reading some of them for TDK, people are WAY too hung up on whether ot not a film gets a good review.
I think people are just sick and tired of elitist reviewers who need to be THE guy who didn't like something that is so far almost universally praised. Not trying to justify their bringing Judaism into it, just saying they are the fringes of frustrated movie fans.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Also, does anybody else feel that this movie could just as easily been Aaron Eckhart's or Gary Oldman's? Not a dig on the movie, just pointing out the way they were equally strong and represented characters as Batman and the Joker

[Friday]

Also, does anybody else feel that this movie could just as easily been Aaron Eckhart's or Gary Oldman's? Not a dig on the movie, just pointing out the way they were equally strong and represented characters as Batman and the Joker

Gary Oldman has been just phenomenal in the past two movies.
He is a dynamic performer to begin with... but to see him play so straight and just nail the character of Gordon is worthy of just as much praise as the Ledger and Bale performances.

I am excited to go see this one again this week. And that never happens.

[HBox]

I was thinking on the way home from seeing this a second time that this is essentially a retelling of the Killing Joke, except the Joker wins. That REALLY puts into perspective how dark this movie is.

[Friday]

I was thinking on the way home from seeing this a second time that this is essentially a retelling of the Killing Joke, except the Joker wins. That REALLY puts into perspective how dark this movie is.

and makes it suck even more that Ledger is no longer a part of the living world.
would have loved to see this continue with him and Bale. they truly do (did) make a good team.

[Drunky McBetidont]

and makes it suck even more that Ledger is no longer a part of the living world.
would have loved to see this continue with him and Bale. they truly do (did) make a good team.

there is probably enough film on the cutting room floor to make three more of this series with ledger's joker. it has been working for tupac.

[midwestjeff]

there is probably enough film on the cutting room floor to make three more of this series with ledger's joker. it has been working for tupac.

Tupac isn't dead.

[pladd]

saw this today... I thought it was fantastic!

[fezident]

The Joker makeup is never explained. (I'm not up on my Batman lore).
Does he apply it daily as a disguise or is it part of his skin a la Jack Nicholsen's Joker?

[HBox]

The Joker makeup is never explained. (I'm not up on my Batman lore).
Does he apply it daily as a disguise or is it part of his skin a la Jack Nicholsen's Joker?

It's makeup.

He appears very briefly in one scene completely without it, in fact.

[llc]

I'm sure we will be getting a negative review from Ron, considering his love for being negative about America's public mind, but...
This might be the perfect film for Americans at this time in our history. Lately, I've been incredibly depressed about what is going on in this country (energy crisis, war, elections, corporate scandals, loss of jobs, stock market depression, lack of influence globally, priest scandals, growing organ shortage, need for national guard in Chicago, our president, ext, ext). Everyday has been tragedy, indifference, and loss hope.

Well, I've just been given a great boost-a realistic one, but a big one and I thank Christopher Nolan. He has perfectly created the symbol for the disenchanted American. In Nolan's world, the good guys are hidden, and usually punished, the bad guys have joined forces to influence the powerful, and the heroes must be seen as villains or become them, with their motives in constant question. Sound familiar? Does anyone believe our nation's powerful can truly be trusted, our president really only wants to do good, and those trying to gain the greatest amount of power (our politicians) will be free of corruption once they gain such a thing. It seems to be no surprise that Gotham's real life counter is Chicago, a city with a government assumed to be riddled with scandal and fraud, constant tension between the public officials, and a depressing level of crime and injustice which can no longer be ignored. It was ominous to hear the Gotham police say national guard should be called in. Gotham looks like Chicago because it is shining a sad mirror on us.
And yet, even within a story in which the heroic can be destroyed or converted, we have individuals willing to take a stand. Batman of course, but others as well. And, with small, individualistic efforts, even the everyday citizen. The country is not lost, there are good people out there, most in fact who do small gestures of good works everyday. Our hope for this country now is that those with the opportunity to do good on a larger scale will do so, citizens will do more, and our next great symbol of hope (the new president perhaps) will be the true symbol we need to take us into this new, uncertain future.

There is value in this film and I hope people see, not just because it is cool, fun, and impressive to watch, but because it is truly about America today. There is value in, intelligently, keeping hope alive, because it makes us better people.

[fezident]

Funny you should mention that scene.
Because.... it looked to me like
he was heavily made up with fleshtone concealer. Jack did something very similar in Batman 89 and that's what got me thinkin'.

[HBox]

Funny you should mention that scene.
Because.... it looked to me like
he was heavily made up with fleshtone concealer. Jack did something very similar in Batman 89 and that's what got me thinkin'.

There were plenty of scenes where his makeup was running or fading away, the interrogation scene especially.

[HBox]

In the Joker penthouse scene, remember the guy to whom he says "You remind me of my father."

That's US Senator Patrick Leahy. I guess that's why Cheney told him to go fuck himself, they were both up for the same role.

[Flea_Man]

Easily the best superhero movie I've ever seen. And one of the best in recent memory. There was so much emotion and feeling and depth with this movie. I'm seeing it again on Tuesday in IMAX.

Ledger deserves the Oscar.

[JPMNICK]

Easily the best superhero movie I've ever seen. And one of the best in recent memory. There was so much emotion and feeling and depth with this movie. I'm seeing it again on Tuesday in IMAX.

Ledger deserves the Oscar.

did you bring a girl with you to see it? if so, tell us about it please

[grlNIN]

Fucking great, just great-nothing else needs to be said about it.

And i was completely blown away by the Watchmen trailer. Ii am not the type of person who is easily taken aback by movies but this one just looks breathtaking.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

just got home from seeing it and goddamn do I want a time machine to save that magnificent Australian bastard. this movie makes me believe that movies are not a dead art. this movie has everything you don't need to be a comic fan to enjoy it that's how good of a story it is, did anyone else get chills at the joker being done right for the first time ever not in a comic

[TooLowBrow]

it seems like the best villains are never the ones who are physically scary, but who frighten you in other ways (psychologically, emotionally, socially)
so the joker was a great choice.
who'd be a good opponent for the next movie?
mr freeze, killer croc would be out
plus they are too comic-y for the new look.
clayface would rely too much on cgi
i think the ventriloquist would be great
(maybe Paul Giamatti)
also bane, if they did him right, smart strong and crazy like the comic book. not strong and dumb like the cartoon.
i think knightfall would be a great movie storyline, we see a lot of enemies, batman gets his back broken, theres a new psycho batman, we see more of bruce using his skills in other aspects than just batman. perfect
who'd you like too see as the bad guy, and why would it make sense?

[Reynolds]

Whatever happened to using bombs? Who has the time and manpower to constantly wheel in hundreds of giant gasoline drums? How did the Joker know that those two boats were going to be used for that purpose, and have enough time to wheel in all that gasoline? The whole sonar thing was cool, but we were supposed to believe Batman put that all together himself? The timeframe on this movie had to of been 5 years for all this to happen. Other than that I enjoyed the movie, the acting was good, aside from the Christian Bale disguising his voice part that Jimmy pointed out

[MIKEYDAKEN]

sorry double post

[MIKEYDAKEN]

it seems like the best villains are never the ones who are physically scary, but who frighten you in other ways (psychologically, emotionally, socially)
so the joker was a great choice.
who'd be a good opponent for the next movie?
mr freeze, killer croc would be out
plus they are too comic-y for the new look.
clayface would rely too much on cgi
i think the ventriloquist would be great
(maybe Paul Giamatti)
also bane, if they did him right, smart strong and crazy like the comic book. not strong and dumb like the cartoon.
i think knightfall would be a great movie storyline, we see a lot of enemies, batman gets his back broken, theres a new psycho batman, we see more of bruce using his skills in other aspects than just batman. perfect
who'd you like too see as the bad guy, and why would it make sense? I can only think of Mr. Edward Nigma. can you imagine the riddler done by nolan. :thumbup:

[keithy_19]

I haven't seen this yet but I sure as hell will. I love the fact that it is a dark, sadistic Batman movie. I always felt that Batman was the one superhero who reveled in really wanting the bad guys dead.

And

This just makes me want to read what everyone put because I'm inquisitive. But thanks for the thoughtfullness not to ruin the movie.

[Gmann]

it seems like the best villains are never the ones who are physically scary, but who frighten you in other ways (psychologically, emotionally, socially)
so the joker was a great choice.
who'd be a good opponent for the next movie?
mr freeze, killer croc would be out
plus they are too comic-y for the new look.
clayface would rely too much on cgi
i think the ventriloquist would be great
(maybe Paul Giamatti)
also bane, if they did him right, smart strong and crazy like the comic book. not strong and dumb like the cartoon.
i think knightfall would be a great movie storyline, we see a lot of enemies, batman gets his back broken, theres a new psycho batman, we see more of bruce using his skills in other aspects than just batman. perfect
who'd you like too see as the bad guy, and why would it make sense?


Now here's the problem with a 3rd movie....
which villain can you bring in and make it seem realistic?
Penguin, Killer Croc, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Man-Bat, Mad Hatter are all waaaaaaay too over the top and cartoony.
Id def love to see a take on the Ventriloquist character and Riddler. Deadshot ? Hush even ?

[TjM]

Hugo Strange

[llc]

Now here's the problem with a 3rd movie....
which villain can you bring in and make it seem realistic?
Penguin, Killer Croc, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Man-Bat, Mad Hatter are all waaaaaaay too over the top and cartoony.
Id def love to see a take on the Ventriloquist character and Riddler. Deadshot ? Hush even ?


Why couldn't they use a character like Harley Quinn?

[Reynolds]

Now here's the problem with a 3rd movie....
which villain can you bring in and make it seem realistic?
Penguin, Killer Croc, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Man-Bat, Mad Hatter are all waaaaaaay too over the top and cartoony.
Id def love to see a take on the Ventriloquist character and Riddler. Deadshot ? Hush even ?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25681350/page/2/

[Sheeplovr]

The role of Rachel in this movie was way more involved and it worked brilliantly.

i don't think potato face was any good at all

[Sheeplovr]

Now here's the problem with a 3rd movie....
which villain can you bring in and make it seem realistic?
Penguin, Killer Croc, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Man-Bat, Mad Hatter are all waaaaaaay too over the top and cartoony.
Id def love to see a take on the Ventriloquist character and Riddler. Deadshot ? Hush even ?


Why couldn't they use a character like Harley Quinn?

Deadshot and croc are done in the dvd movie cartoon and done well and fun

Penguin is so realistic its incredibly easy he's not superposed to be the monster that tim burton made him

Clayface would be all cgi

Mr Freeze isn't over the top he's a very deep touching charector that would make a interesting telling in the new world

but i would expect the 3rd is more ralhs al guhl with a touch of someone else to make sense story wise and not to just roll out villian after villain it's gotta make sense

i would actully just like more cartoon movies to keep going wih the universe thats been created espcilly since the dvd introduced Crispus Allen with would mean Renee Montoya could come in and slowly jsut make a GCPD cartoon that i would freaking go ape about

another movie thing that could happened wold be Bruce going into the gang world as matches Malone

[EliSnow]

Whatever happened to using bombs? Who has the time and manpower to constantly wheel in hundreds of giant gasoline drums? How did the Joker know that those two boats were going to be used for that purpose, and have enough time to wheel in all that gasoline? The whole sonar thing was cool, but we were supposed to believe Batman put that all together himself? The timeframe on this movie had to of been 5 years for all this to happen. Other than that I enjoyed the movie, the acting was good, aside from the Christian Bale disguising his voice part that Jimmy pointed out

Joker's method of getting gasoline drums everywhere without detection should be taken with a bit of suspension of disbelief.

But how did he know that the boats would be used for that purpose? Because he set it up that way. He broadcast that Gotham would be his, and that the only way to live was not to play the game (get out of Gotham), but then he said that the bridge and tunnel people would be suprised. Apparently Gotham's an island like Manhattan (although filmed in Chicago), so the only way off was the ferrys.

[EliSnow]

I saw it last night, and loved it.

But Heath Ledger was in the movie? If I had not known who played the Joker before hand, I would never have been able to guess who played him. Superb job and he completely immersed himself in that role.

I could of times I needed to suspend my disbelief more than others, but for the most part, I didn't need to as much as with other superhero movies, or with the Burton or Schumacher Batmans (I mean really how does a pretend train of circus performers stealing kids not get stopped by the police?)

One thing sort of bugged me though and it's why I hate trailers, even the Dark Knight ones, that didn't give much away:

If you watched the trailers or promos, you knew Gordon was never killed, because they showed him in an interrogation room with the Joker. So if you knew that scene was coming, you knew Gordon was faking his death.

Of course, that brings up another nit, if the mayor is being targeted for death by someone as tricky as the Joker, would you really have an outdoor memorial?

Still all in all a great flick. I didn't see it on IMAX though, so I may go back to see it again.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Now here's the problem with a 3rd movie....
which villain can you bring in and make it seem realistic?
Penguin, Killer Croc, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Man-Bat, Mad Hatter are all waaaaaaay too over the top and cartoony.
Id def love to see a take on the Ventriloquist character and Riddler. Deadshot ? Hush even ?
Poison Ivy is not over the top. They could certainly have her in a movie while still making it seem realistic.

To answer Reynolds's question
They called the Ferries Spirirt and Liberty. I think the 2 Ferries in NY that go to Liberty Island are called Spirit and Liberty. In such a situation in NY, I know we'd be using Ferries as a mode of transportation if the bridges were unusable as they were in this film. The Joker planned for evacuation with boats because he's a brilliant metaphor for al-Qaeda

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If they can adapt Dark Victory for the third movie, it could probably work. You've got the aftermath of Harvey going bonkers, crime families at war in the streets, Batman being hunted down, the Riddler helping Batman solve a series of Hangman clues left on victims that were enemies of the mobs and Harvey, and it introduces Robin in a realistic way (and not in any shape or form would it be like what Batman Forever looked like).

[EliSnow]

If they can adapt Dark Victory for the third movie, it could probably work. You've got the aftermath of Harvey going bonkers, crime families at war in the streets, Batman being hunted down, the Riddler helping Batman solve a series of Hangman clues left on victims that were enemies of the mobs and Harvey, and it introduces Robin in a realistic way (and not in any shape or form would it be like what Batman Forever looked like).

Given the end of Dark Knight, I don't think that's the right way to go, at all.

Also, from what I've read, Robin will not be appearing in this franchise.

[Tall_James]

Also, from what I've read, Robin will not be appearing in this franchise.

I read an interview with Christian Bale in which he said he would walk if that happened.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Given the end of Dark Knight, I don't think that's the right way to go, at all.

Also, from what I've read, Robin will not be appearing in this franchise.
That's a mistake on Bale's part. I understand he wants to stay away from the campiness, but they shouldn't have shut out the possibility. They should spend one movie with Dick Grayson/Tim Drake moving in as a minor plot development, then spend the next film with him learning Batman's identity and training to be Robin.
Especially after the way this movie ended, the door is way open for Bruce Wayne to want to open his life up for some type of companionship or understanding his own mortality better. They should at least introduce Tim Drake or Dick Grayson as a civilian somewhere in the series and see if it's plausible to develop him into Robin

[ScottFromGA]

when the Joker "Made the Pencil disappear"....that had to be one of the greatest reactions I've ever seen from an audience.


That one scene set the tone of how the movie was gonna be till the end. awesome.


another issue I'm having is folk talking about the length being too long. Am I the one person in this country that loves to have a 2 to 3 hour movie? I'm spending enough money on one night to fill my gas tank up, I want to watch something that I'm gonna enjoy and feel like I got enough of. 90 minutes just wouldn't do that for me.....If the movie was longer, I would have loved it even more. It didn't do like most movies and lose direction cause of the length of time.......

Movie of the Decade, in my opinion. Just cause the rest have been shit.

[fezident]

when the Joker "Made the Pencil disappear"....that had to be one of the greatest reactions I've ever seen from an audience.


That one scene set the tone of how the movie was gonna be till the end. awesome.


another issue I'm having is folk talking about the length being too long. Am I the one person in this country that loves to have a 2 to 3 hour movie? I'm spending enough money on one night to fill my gas tank up, I want to watch something that I'm gonna enjoy and feel like I got enough of. 90 minutes just wouldn't do that for me.....If the movie was longer, I would have loved it even more. It didn't do like most movies and lose direction cause of the length of time.......

Movie of the Decade, in my opinion. Just cause the rest have been shit.

YES!
I mentioned that pencil scene in an earlier post too! It got such a great reaction from the audience! At that moment, the crowd was like "okay... we're gonna interact with this movie".
This also happened when Batman made a "U turn" on the Batcycle.



As for the length, I don't think of those other factors that you and some others do. I don't think about the gas... leaving the house... the babysitter... the popcorn... and stuff like that. I focus on the movie itself.
There are times when the whole theater is engaged and satisfied. Then, a movie reaches a point where everybody starts to shift in their seat, fiddle with their phones, and maybe make a run to the bathroom.
That's USUALLY a sign that some footage could be excised. Not always... but usually.

While I loved TDK, I will say that maybe it was a bit too much of good thing. If it were 20 mins shorter, it would've carried the same impact AND maybe not have sparked so much seat-shifting during the 3rd act.

[foodcourtdruide]

If they can adapt Dark Victory for the third movie, it could probably work. You've got the aftermath of Harvey going bonkers, crime families at war in the streets, Batman being hunted down, the Riddler helping Batman solve a series of Hangman clues left on victims that were enemies of the mobs and Harvey, and it introduces Robin in a realistic way (and not in any shape or form would it be like what Batman Forever looked like).

Why not how they introduced him in Batman Forever?!!!?? The power of all characters should be introduced while they're doing laundry!

[KingGeno]

Anyone notice that not ONCE during any scene involving Commissioner Gordon's family that they said Barbara's name? I was waiting for it when Two-Face was asking Gordon which family member of his was most important, and for Barbara's name to be dropped. That would have garnered some applause. Barbara Gordon is Commissioner Gordon's daughter, and eventually becomes Batgirl.

Another thing I thought great, but could be a plot hole due to the cut of the movie:

The Wayne Enterprise employee that was going to go public with Batman's identity. I thought it was great that the Joker put a public reward out on his death, just because he didn't want this sniveling cry baby spoiling all of his fun.

I had a feeling that Joker knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman. He spotted that from the party he crashed, and sorta hinted at it while Batman smeared his ass all over the Interview Room at Gotham PD.

I still really enjoy the post-9/11 "individual rights" spotlight of this movie. This movie not only shows you how a "superhero" monitors the city for crime, but also showed that with having that floating veil of safety you lose your individual rights. Maybe not a problem for some, but it was great how Lucuis Fox smacked down Batman for it.

Anyone else like the fact that Batman isn't just one man saving a city? I like the realistic aspect of these movies that show that a TEAM of people are keeping the Batman symbol alive, and the people involved are willing to toss themselves under the bus for the greater good.

[HBox]

On a second viewing you really start to appreciate how deep and masterful Ledger's performance was.

A few very subtle moments: the Dent fundraiser was full of them, but my favorite was the way he looked at US Senator Patrick Leahy before he said before he said you remind me of my father. Another was after he asked the cop in the interrogation room how many of his friends he had killed. The guy responds six, and the way Ledger mouths six is brilliant. And another was the way he said hi to Dent when he's in his hospital room.

Another brilliant acting choice: the way the Joker is always licking his lips and such. An incredible choice by Ledger. Because is you look at where the scars are on the Joker's mouth, if that really happened it would be destroying most of the saliva glands in you mouth. Hence the dry mouth.

[Fallon]

'Dark Knight' sets weekend record with $155.34M (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080720/ap_en_mo/box_office_5)

They got my nine dollars.

[EliSnow]

Anyone notice that not ONCE during any scene involving Commissioner Gordon's family that they said Barbara's name? I was waiting for it when Two-Face was asking Gordon which family member of his was most important, and for Barbara's name to be dropped. That would have garnered some applause. Barbara Gordon is Commissioner Gordon's daughter, and eventually becomes Batgirl.

In current continuity, Barbara is actually Gordon's niece, who he adopts when her parents die. In Batman:Year One, it's established that Jim Jr, is his first child.

[EliSnow]

By the way, anyone else love Tiny Lister's part in the movie?

Great scene.

And his character was right. That is exactly what the guy should have done 10 minutes prior.

Plus, anyone else think that, with the detonators, the Joker pulled a similar stunt to what he did with Harvey and Rachel (i.e. the detonators were hooked up the explosives on their own ferrys-- so if the convicts pressed it, their ship would have blown up?

[BoondockSaint]

I liked the part when Batman was doing the Batusi.

[Gmann]

Why couldn't they use a character like Harley Quinn?

You can't have a Harley Quinn without the Joker, and unless they plan on doing a "Weekend At Bernies II" thing with Heath Ledger, I dont see it happenening.

And now I just thought about if they DO wanna bring back the Joker, even for a small scene, who would play him now?

[fezident]

And now I just thought about if they DO wanna bring back the Joker, even for a small scene, who would play him now?
I'm sure Nolan could find a a few secs of unused Ledger footage and weave it in to the next bat movie.
Ya know... show him getting on a plane or into a car or sumthin' and then blow it up. Farewell to The Joker... introduce the next enemy.


Cillian Murphy had about 14 secs of screen time in TDK. They showed him... and moved along with the new story. Same thing could happen with Heath.

[cougarjake13]

Plus, anyone else think that, with the detonators, the Joker pulled a similar stunt to what he did with Harvey and Rachel (i.e. the detonators were hooked up the explosives on their own ferrys-- so if the convicts pressed it, their ship would have blown up?


that was my exact thought and i kept waiting for batman to tell dent they he went for rachel but the joker tricked them

[pladd]

that was my exact thought and i kept waiting for batman to tell dent they he went for rachel but the joker tricked them

I was waiting for that very same thing.

[fezident]

We can probably stop using spoiler-vision now. At 155 million, it's safe to say that just about everyone's seen it.

[patsopinion]

We can probably stop using spoiler-vision now. At 155 million, it's safe to say that just about everyone's seen it.

yea but it makes it feel like theres some secret lying around
and makes me want to read posts

[fezident]

Batman dies.

[Friday]

We can probably stop using spoiler-vision now. At 155 million, it's safe to say that just about everyone's seen it.

Furtherman isn't seeing it until tomorrow. He said so in this very thread. :smile:


As far as the length of the movie... it didn't bother me at all. And honestly, I would not have wanted them to cut from the final product to cater to the attention deficit that constant technological stimulus has created.
The only thing that bothers me is someone vocally complaining about it while the movie is going on... instead of just shutting their fat face and either leaving, or enduring to the end.

<~~ not really a fan of people in general when it comes to this subject :bye:

[Gmann]

Yeah really.
In this day and age where you pay $11 for a movie ticket, another $12 on a small soda and popcorn just for a movie that they claim is gonna be good only to have it be a 1h 15min peice of shit, you'd think people would appreciate gettin their moneys worth for once.

[fezident]

True, but this thread has obviously become a forum for the people who HAVE seen it. If I didn't wanna get spoiled, I certainly wouldn't come to a 15 page thread about it.

As for the length, this is my take:
These movies are blockbusters.
Millions and millions of people see these franchise films. Almost nobody sees the third one without seeing the first two. SO.... I think the directors should focus more on making these films self-contained and less about setting up the next installment.

Spiderman and the 90ies Batman films all had too many villians. Too many setups. Too much connective tissue. Trimming some of that stuff would shine a bigger light on the main story. Nolan and WB know that we're all gonna tune in at the same bat time and channel in two years anyway.


EDIT: I'm on the other side of the "getting my money's worth" fence. If it's good... it's good. It has a value. If it's too long, like say... King Kong.... I feel like I'm being taken advantage of. I feel like my money has been wasted.

[Reynolds]

Poison Ivy is not over the top. They could certainly have her in a movie while still making it seem realistic.

To answer Reynolds's question
They called the Ferries Spirirt and Liberty. I think the 2 Ferries in NY that go to Liberty Island are called Spirit and Liberty. In such a situation in NY, I know we'd be using Ferries as a mode of transportation if the bridges were unusable as they were in this film. The Joker planned for evacuation with boats because he's a brilliant metaphor for al-Qaeda

OK....

What about the constant use of 100's of gasoline drums? And Bruce creating the Bat Sonar thing singlehandedly from millions of cell phones in such a short amount of time?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, well, there's still SOME suspension of disbelief to be had. However, I do think that if there was an answer to "What would happen if someone actually decided to be a superhero in a crime ridden city?" this movie is definitely one of those answers.

[Friday]

OK....

What about the constant use of 100's of gasoline drums? And Bruce creating the Bat Sonar thing singlehandedly from millions of cell phones in such a short amount of time?

How about we try to suspend our disbelief.... let's say.....just long enough to enjoy a film. :bye:

[KingGeno]

OK....

What about the constant use of 100's of gasoline drums? And Bruce creating the Bat Sonar thing singlehandedly from millions of cell phones in such a short amount of time?

Lucius Fox created it, gave it to Bruce in China. Bruce just expanded its usage accross a whole town.

[MisterSmith]

OK....

What about the constant use of 100's of gasoline drums? And Bruce creating the Bat Sonar thing singlehandedly from millions of cell phones in such a short amount of time?

Bruce diverted the Waynetech Communications R&D team to work on the project. The lawyer found out and Lucius asked Bruce about it. Remember, he said "I am playing this one close to the chest." So Bruce didn't do it single-handedly, but he did do it under-handedly.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I saw it.

I give it a 8 out of 10. Would have given it a 10 but Bale's voice as Batman detracted that much from it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here are my nitpicks.

They had bomb teams, etc on the bridges. So why wouldn't they even give a cursory sweep of the boats and find the bombs?

Also, it was daylight when the boats were being loaded. And suddenly, it's 11:30PM when the bombs are discovered?

BTW, Tiny Zeus Lister rules.

Batman's voice - horrific. He was lisping and mumbling his words. I know Norton did a rant on this, but it totally took away from the movie.

They said Harvey killed five people. The cop in the bar was one. Sally and his driver were two. But Ramirez flipped on the "good" slide, and they just showed her being knocked out. So why was there "five deaths"? Besides, all the people Dent killed were crooked cops or gangsters. Why pin those deaths on the Batman?

[mikeyboy]

We can probably stop using spoiler-vision now. At 155 million, it's safe to say that just about everyone's seen it.

Not me.

[Tenbatsuzen]

In current continuity, Barbara is actually Gordon's niece, who he adopts when her parents die. In Batman:Year One, it's established that Jim Jr, is his first child.

They made a point of not showing Barbara at all. She didn't say a word and you hardly saw her face when Two-Face held them hostage. But if they are reticent to add Dick Grayson as Robin, I doubt we'll ever see Batgirl in the Nolan Batmanverse.

[Sinestro]

Looking to see it at the IMAX next weekend.


Don't spoil it for me people!

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it's real, it's gonna look like shit "in motion."

Mojo on Two-Face. Yeah.... no. Sorry Mojo.

[fezident]

Not me.

So YOU'RE the guy who hasn't seen it! We're going again tomorrow on 42nd St. Come with us! (if you're in NYC). My treat!

[HBox]

They made a point of not showing Barbara at all. She didn't say a word and you hardly saw her face when Two-Face held them hostage. But if they are reticent to add Dick Grayson as Robin, I doubt we'll ever see Batgirl in the Nolan Batmanverse.



I just thought it was a subtle way of saying sons matter more than daughters.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Since we're still using spoiler bands

I was probably most impressed with the subplots. There was a a lot going on, it was all interesting and yet none of it took away from the main storyline (unlike Batman Returns)

Aside from the few 'suspension of disbelief' parts the only thing I thought was lacking was a bit of blood. Specifically, the scene where Batman shots his arm blades and it barely looks like they did anything to Joker. I was expecting him to get one in the eye, a la Dark Knight Returns. Oh, and it still bugs me that they have Batman packing such heavy artillery in his vehicles but doesn't kill.

I was very surprised to see Two Face so involved in the story and to see him get killed off. I had assumed that this movie would set him up as the villain of the third. In hindsight I wonder if they would have killed the Joker and kept Dent around.

I'm sure Ron will find a way to trash it tomorrow.

[booster11373]

I'm sure Ron will find a way to trash it tomorrow.


I predict 10 popcorn buckets out of 10

[Dr.Rockso]

I do cocaine!!!!

[scottinnj]

Just got back from seeing The Dark Knight.

It was everything I hoped it would be.


Loved It!


GO SEE THE DARK KNIGHT!!!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I do not think that Harvey died. Yes they had a funeral for him, but perhaps it's because Gordon had him locked away in a super secret spot. The next film will have to deal with him restoring order in a world gone mad.

It's unfortunate that Heath did in fact die and if he were to be used in the next film, I would have seen it as almost a Hanibal Lector type villain that Batman uses to figure out the motives of a threat to Gotham that can help clear his name. Unfortunately that'll never be. Something tells me they still might use this element in the next film. Perhaps with Riddler.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

t's unfortunate that Heath did in fact die and if he were to be used in the next film, I would have seen it as almost a Hanibal Lector type villain that Batman uses to figure out the motives of a threat to Gotham that can help clear his name. Unfortunately that'll never be. Something tells me they still might use this element in the next film. Perhaps with Riddler.

Nolan is a big fan of the Long Halloween mini series where Batman had some meetings with the Calendar Man which were pretty blatant homages to Hannibal.

[Aqualad]

My only (ONLY!) complaint with the movie was Bale's Gob Bluth-style Batman voice. When he was talking to Gordon and Dent on the rooftop the voice was just LOL funny. Other than that, it was flawless. Well they could have shaved twenty minutes off the run time. But other than that, flawless.

[scottinnj]

My only (ONLY!) complaint with the movie was Bale's Gob Bluth-style Batman voice. When he was talking to Gordon and Dent on the rooftop the voice was just LOL funny. Other than that, it was flawless. Well they could have shaved twenty minutes off the run time. But other than that, flawless.

Didn't bother me at all. It adds to the scariness, and if we are to suspend belief for these types of movies, I just figured he was using a voice scrambler or whatever you call it in the throat portion of his mask.

[grlNIN]

The voice was funny, distracting and envoked thoughts of "How am i going to get past this?" but literally after the initial 5 minutes i didn't notice it at all. I would say that this is both because we all relatively know Bale's voice plus we think the raspy voice is cliched and could serve to take away from the character that Batman truly is.


I think the change in voice is somewhat necessary for identity reasons. Obviously everyone know who Bruce Wayne is, hes not exactly a subtle every day Joe. So it would kind've be stupid if he didn't take the extra precaution to disguise the simplest thing in the world and probably the most recognizable after his face, his voice.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My friend called it... Joker's voice = Richard Dreyfus.

[fezident]

I do cocaine!!!!

Okay... that was f'ing funny.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Wow. Does sound a bit like Hooper from Jaws.

[scottinnj]

I would have loved to have seen the Joker's face when he said "like me" when he and Batman were in the interrogation room. The camera was panning around his back when he got to those two words.

[The_Showstopper]

Here are my nitpicks.

They had bomb teams, etc on the bridges. So why wouldn't they even give a cursory sweep of the boats and find the bombs?

Also, it was daylight when the boats were being loaded. And suddenly, it's 11:30PM when the bombs are discovered?

BTW, Tiny Zeus Lister rules.

Batman's voice - horrific. He was lisping and mumbling his words. I know Norton did a rant on this, but it totally took away from the movie.

They said Harvey killed five people. The cop in the bar was one. Sally and his driver were two. But Ramirez flipped on the "good" slide, and they just showed her being knocked out. So why was there "five deaths"? Besides, all the people Dent killed were crooked cops or gangsters. Why pin those deaths on the Batman?


in regards to your last nitpick... I was wondering the same thing my self and still cant come to a conclusion on the number.

I absolutely loved this movie. I am a big batman fan and had huge expectations for this movie and it met and surpassed them all by miles. What can I say that hasent already been said about it.
Ledgers joker to me was fantastic in every facet possible, And in my opinion became the definitive take on the joker for all time.
I also loved Aaron Eckhart in this film as well. Admitedly I had not seen much if any of his previous works (although I heard thank you for smoking was good and I will check it out)
He brought Harvey Dent to a whole new level and did the character justice.
Everyone else nailed their parts. (massive kudos to gary oldman as gordon) There wasent a moment where i felt the film draged or was distracted.
One thing i also espically loved that i havent seen alot of people coment on was the music for the film. It totaly fit and added to the over all tone so much (espically jokers music.) I loved it, Loved it so much that after the movie was over i went to the nearby mall and picked up the soundtrack (and i almost never buy movie soundtracks)
Fantastic movie and i cant wait to see it for a 3rd time this week.

[mikeyboy]

So YOU'RE the guy who hasn't seen it! We're going again tomorrow on 42nd St. Come with us! (if you're in NYC). My treat!

Thank you, sir. Were I not going out of town for a couple of days, I very well might take you up on that.

Why am I still talking in spoilers?

[Reephdweller]

http://images.showhype.com/uploads/photos_large/2008/04/04/heath-ledger-joker-02.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/miss_whisky/HeathLedgerJackNicholsonJoker.jpg

As others have said, if I hadn't known it was Heath Ledger in the role of the Joker I would have no clue it was him. He played the role absolutely brilliant and absolutely fell into the character.

I also agree with others who said that Christian Bale's raspy voice was a bit distracting in the movie. I think it's necessary and realistic for him to use another voice as Batman but I don't think he did all that well with the way he used it.

All in all I absolutely loved the movie. Brilliant all around from Bale to Nolan, and Gary Oldman as Gordon I've loved him in that role since the first one. He's just a great actor and one of my favorites in that his performances alone can steal movies for me. Yet in this franchise I think it is awesome that he is more reserved and leaves it other leads to take the movies to the next level. Also great was Aaron Eckhart as Two Face, his whole story and ultimate demise (it seems) was so good it could have been a movie all on it's own. There were many times in it that I had no idea what would happen next and in others where what I predicted would happen didn't happen at all.

I will definitely have to check it out again.

[Slumbag]

All in all, I say "Meh". Liked it a lot, didn't love it. Heath Ledger was fucking awesome though.

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but did anyone else think Two Face looked fucking stupid. I know it's supposed to be all brutal and stuff, I just didn't really buy it. Someone actually sent me a picture of that like two months ago, and I told them "That can't be Two-Face, it looks phony as shit.

[DJEvelEd]

All in all, I say "Meh". Liked it a lot, didn't love it. Heath Ledger was fucking awesome though.

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but did anyone else think Two Face looked fucking stupid. I know it's supposed to be all brutal and stuff, I just didn't really buy it. Someone actually sent me a picture of that like two months ago, and I told them "That can't be Two-Face, it looks phony as shit.

Agreed. Heath was the best Joker since Caesar Romero. Best performance from a dead guy....EVER!
Those coffin worms aren't eating Heath, they're gently kissing him all over.

I thought TwoFace looked pretty nasty, in a good way. I didn't love the movie either but I liked it enough to want to see it again to see what other people are picking apart about certain scenes. Bale was great but the movie should have been called The Dark Joker since Heath stole the show. Hell of a way to go out with a bang before leaving the planet Earth, Heath. I hope that night of booze, pills & hookers was worth it Heath. You just fucked up the sequel for all of us. Selfish accidental death prone bastard.

Dark Night was good, like a poor mans Iron Man.

Maggie G's face fat left little room for anyone else though...whatta buttaface

[Freitag]

Wow. Does sound a bit like Hooper from Jaws.

Wanna know how I got these scars?

I was eating dinner with my wife one night, and I started playing with my mashed potatoessssssss....

[KingGeno]

Dunno why this scene still bothers me, but it is really important in showing that Harvey Dent went through multiple stages of flip-flopping between good and bad.

The Funeral scene, where the Joker attempted to assassinate the Mayor. The police caught one of the "criminals" involved in the attempted kill, and eventually Harvey Dent kidnapped him. Harvey was threatening to shoot the guy for the Joker's location, and the nutso started crying. Batman intervened, stating that Harvey was out of his wit and trying to shakedown a complete mental wreck for information. You can tell in Harvey's face he felt terrible.

Dunno why this scene keeps bothering me. Just sucks there are people out there that may be involved in stuff like this, and they may not have a clue.

[TheMojoPin]

Finally saw it. Enjoyed it very much...definitely one of the best action/comic book flicks I've seen.

Two-Face doing his thing seemed really pointless and forced in. What a waste of a villain who could have easily carried an entire film. I agree with those who have said that movie is about 20 minutes too long, and I think they should have saved Two-Face on the loose until the 3rd movie. And man, his big eyeball looked fucking goofy. I know it's comic book logic, but he suffers trauma so bad to basially strip away everything around his eye socket...yet his eye is totally fine and completely functioning? All I could think of when I saw him was how he must have been frantically drenching it with eye drops in between each dramatic confrontation since he aparently couldn't fucking blink.

Gordon's speech at the end was cheesy as fuck and super cringe-worthy. And why not blame Two-Face's crimes on the nutjob murdering clown they just took down?

Dawes' death was one of the most blatant Girlfriend in a Refrigerator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators) cases I've seen comic-wise in a while.

In all, it was a very solid, quality film.

[KingGeno]

Agreed Mojo. Harvey Dent's downfall should have been the third movie.

Now they have a big problem with having to come up with a comparable or better movie for the third. I can't think of anything that can come close.

[Aqualad]

Agreed Mojo. Harvey Dent's downfall should have been the third movie.

Now they have a big problem with having to come up with a comparable or better movie for the third. I can't think of anything that can come close.

The Riddler. Make him a nutjob in Arkham who gets inspired by the Joker and his worldview. He pulls off murderous crimes but is compelled to leave Batman clues so he has a chance of stopping them. Make the Riddler a cool Hannibal Lechter type like in the cartoon.

[Freitag]

My idea is this:

Penguin, as the man who takes over the Maroni crime family, but he's a Mason Verger type without the disfigurement - truly sick.

[spadanko]

We don't know for sure that Dent is dead. He could pop up in the next one.

As for the next movie, anyone think Steve Buscemi would be a good riddler?

[KingGeno]

Hmm.

Riddler + a mix of The Long Halloween (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Long_Halloween) storyline? The Falcone's have already been introduced, and the mob is heavily features. So why not?

So confusing.

[Freitag]

The sad thing is, Eric Roberts would have made an excellent vision of Penguin in my mind. He was such an amazing creep in Heroes, and it matches up with an early role he did in a movie called "Paul's Case". He wears a tux and a flower and he's smelling the flower and just exudes creepiness.

Was Eric Roberts in the first movie?

[cougarjake13]

Was Eric Roberts in the first movie?

no

[HBox]

Dunno why this scene still bothers me, but it is really important in showing that Harvey Dent went through multiple stages of flip-flopping between good and bad.

The Funeral scene, where the Joker attempted to assassinate the Mayor. The police caught one of the "criminals" involved in the attempted kill, and eventually Harvey Dent kidnapped him. Harvey was threatening to shoot the guy for the Joker's location, and the nutso started crying. Batman intervened, stating that Harvey was out of his wit and trying to shakedown a complete mental wreck for information. You can tell in Harvey's face he felt terrible.

Dunno why this scene keeps bothering me. Just sucks there are people out there that may be involved in stuff like this, and they may not have a clue.

You missed the point of that scene.

He was just trying to intimidate the guy. He never intended to shoot the guy. He was scaring him with the double-sided coin.

[Furtherman]

Furtherman isn't seeing it until tomorrow. He said so in this very thread. :smile:

Thanks for looking out for me Friday!

But I hadn't read anything on the movie since last week. Going in fresh is the only way to see a movie.

Well worth the price of an IMAX ticket. Awesome all around. Yes, Heath was fantastic. I just don't want to hear any of this Oscar talk. He's dead. He can't enjoy it. Pointless.

What was with Gotham's mayor wearing the dark eyeliner?

Everyone loves the batpod! Especially that little turn around on the wall move.

We don't know for sure that Dent is dead. He could pop up in the next one.

Yea we do. We saw him die.

[KingGeno]

What was with Gotham's mayor wearing the dark eyeliner?

Everything he has been in he has wore eye-liner. Just his thing. I like putting potato chips in my underwear, doesn't make me a weirdo.

Saw the movie again last night, second time. The movie moved MUCH quicker this time, and flowed better. Upon first viewing, this movie really hits you hard and fast the whole time. Definitely a multiple viewing flick. Made me appreciate and like it even more.

[EliSnow]

Everything he has been in he has wore eye-liner. Just his thing. I like putting potato chips in my underwear, doesn't make me a weirdo.



I don't think he did in Suddenly Susan, but he does wear it on Lost, and on Cane (or was it Kane? or Cain? Or Kain?).

[Doctor Manhattan]

We don't know for sure that Dent is dead. He could pop up in the next one.

Yea we do. We saw him die.

But we didn't see the autopsy:tongue:

[Furtherman]

Everything he has been in he has wore eye-liner. Just his thing.

I don't think he did in Suddenly Susan, but he does wear it on Lost, and on Cane (or was it Kane? or Cain? Or Kain?).

I doubt he does. He wouldn't be considered much of an actor if he gets all these jobs but mentions before they start shoots "And one more thing, I'll be wearing eye-liner."

I thought it was something about Gotham's Mayor that might have been in the comics.

[KingGeno]

I doubt he does. He wouldn't be considered much of an actor if he gets all these jobs but mentions before they start shoots "And one more thing, I'll be wearing eye-liner."

I thought it was something about Gotham's Mayor that might have been in the comics.

He does.

Richard Alpert on Lost:
http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS3E20_Richard_Ageless.j pg
http://www.superiorpics.com/hs/nestor_carbonell/main1.jpg

Not something about the comic. Just does it.

[EliSnow]

I doubt he does. He wouldn't be considered much of an actor if he gets all these jobs but mentions before they start shoots "And one more thing, I'll be wearing eye-liner."

I thought it was something about Gotham's Mayor that might have been in the comics.

I think Gotham has had a number of essentally no-name mayors who don't really stand out like other Gotham characters do. None of them use eye-liner.

[Furtherman]

He does.

Richard Alpert on Lost:
http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS3E20_Richard_Ageless.j pg

Errr... where? The second picture isn't coming out, but in this one, there is no eye-liner.

[Friday]

Everything he has been in he has wore eye-liner. Just his thing. I like putting potato chips in my underwear, doesn't make me a weirdo.

Saw the movie again last night, second time. The movie moved MUCH quicker this time, and flowed better. Upon first viewing, this movie really hits you hard and fast the whole time. Definitely a multiple viewing flick. Made me appreciate and like it even more.

is he really wearing eyeliner? ha. i never thought about it... just assumed he had dark areas around his eyes that gave off an eyeliner effect.

i think i will go tomorrow to an afternoon showing. i definitely want to see this one again in the theatre. i have a few friends waiting until it comes out on Blue Ray.... i told them they are being sillyheads.

[KingGeno]

I see him on Lost all the time, and he wears eye liner. Maybe it has something to do with his past? Maybe he is egyptian, I dunno. Just google image search him. I'm tired of staring and research another man's makeup patterns... :sad:

[Furtherman]

Just google image search him. I'm tired of staring and research another man's makeup patterns... :sad:

HA! Yea, I did... no eye-liner. Maybe it is just dark circles under his eyes that the IMAX heightened their darkness.

[KingGeno]

Do a search for noriega: god's favorite on google image search. The man wears eye liner. He does it on Lost too.

No matter how hard you try Furtherman.....I will not love man ass. IT WON'T HAPPEN! :furious:

[Furtherman]

The man wears eye liner. He does it on Lost too.

No matter how hard you try Furtherman.....I will not love man ass. IT WON'T HAPPEN! :furious:

With the exception of The Dark Knight, I respectively disagree. I guess only someone who really knows makeup could answer. Until then... I'm sick of his face too!

[cougarjake13]

Thanks for looking out for me Friday!

But I hadn't read anything on the movie since last week. Going in fresh is the only way to see a movie.

Well worth the price of an IMAX ticket. Awesome all around. Yes, Heath was fantastic. I just don't want to hear any of this Oscar talk. He's dead. He can't enjoy it. Pointless.

What was with Gotham's mayor wearing the dark eyeliner?

Everyone loves the batpod! Especially that little turn around on the wall move.



Yea we do. We saw him die.

we saw him fall and then so did batman, batman didnt die , so maybe dent didnt either

yeh they had a funeral but they had one for gordon as well

[HBox]

we saw him fall and then so did batman, batman didnt die , so maybe dent didnt either

yeh they had a funeral but they had one for gordon as well

I don't think they had a funeral for Gordon he just "died" at one.

[EliSnow]

we saw him fall and then so did batman, batman didnt die , so maybe dent didnt either

yeh they had a funeral but they had one for gordon as well

Batman wears body armor, and had some other things break his fall. Harvey didn't have either. Plus, Bats and Gordon checked him, and both talked as if he was dead.

In the words of the great DeForrest Kelly, he's dead, Jim.

[fezident]

I doubt he does. He wouldn't be considered much of an actor if he gets all these jobs but mentions before they start shoots "And one more thing, I'll be wearing eye-liner."

I thought it was something about Gotham's Mayor that might have been in the comics.

He was on a show called CENTURY CITY a few years ago. It looked like he was wearing eyeliner then too. I guess it's natural. Ya know... like how some boobs look like a boobjob but, they're actually natural.

Damn it. Now I'm starvin'.

[Doctor Manhattan]

we saw him fall and then so did batman, batman didnt die , so maybe dent didnt either

Batman has training, he knows what he is doing. Dent was a noobie and wasn't expecting to fall.

[reillyluck]

hahaha!! i went to see this last night and EVERYONE i went with said "why the fuck is he wearing eyeliner?"

[KingGeno]

Whole Discussion about his character on LOST, and the importance of his Eye Liner (http://forum.lostpedia.com/archive/index.php/t-5564.html)

[cougarjake13]

Batman wears body armor, and had some other things break his fall. Harvey didn't have either. Plus, Bats and Gordon checked him, and both talked as if he was dead.

In the words of the great DeForrest Kelly, he's dead, Jim.

im not saying he's alive , just that its possible for them to say he's not dead as a way to bring him back b/c heath's dead

[Epschtein]

i wanted to love it, but really think it was just OK, better than most stuff, but not spectacular.

i was laughing at tiny jamie nordstrom when he was making fun of bale doing the gruff voice thing, i figured it wouldnt bother me because hell its a comic book movie, it can be over the top a little, but it was so fucking unnecessary and overdone, it really was ridiculous.

dent's fall and turn into twoface was rushed and not believable.

and the thing that surprised me the most - i really didnt think heath ledger was all that great, he was good, a much better portrayal than jack's joker, but i didnt think it was oscar worthy.

oh well, seems like most people loved it. :( i guess im just a douche.

[JustJon]

I didn't care for either Batman or Joker's voices. Batman had that awful lisp rather than the gruff lowered voice. Joker's voice just didn't carry the psychosis for me, but honestly I don't think anyone can match Mark Hammil's voice on BTAS.

[riptide]

I like the original better. Fuck all these bs comic/super hero movie garbage!

http://images.allposters.com/images/102/039_black_knight.jpg

[FunkyDrummer]

Article (http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB121694247343482821.html)

[FunkyDrummer]

Link (http://washingtonindependent.com/view/batmans-dark-knight)

[RoseBlood]

Yay! I'm finally going to see this today :smile:
Then I can actually read this thread, maybe.

[Gwen]

Saw it last night. I liked it, IMO not as good as the first one. Heath Ledger was menacing and creepy which I enjoyed. I thought it could have been shorter and I could have done with out the hokey cramming down our throat about goodness and heroism.

I really enjoyed Batman Begins (only saw it last week) and I wanted to hate it. I think Bale is a great Batman.

Not really a spoiler, but don't want to ruin anything in case someone hasn't seen it yet. I thought in the animated series (my only "real" exposure to Batman prior to this and I watched only casually because my brother would have it on while we were doing our homework) that he became two face because of an acid spill or burn and I wished he had his white hair on the other side to go with it, but I thought he looked cool.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Honestly, Batman ceased to interest me around the time Danny Devito's blood-caked face took an ice bath at the end of Batman Returns. I was 9 years old and found the storyline trite and unconvincing. SCUD-missile penguins? Come on.

Then we had the Six Flags inspired Batman movies with the nipple suits. Blech.

Batman Begins was interesting but I found it a little hard to watch because all the action scenes were blurry extreme close-ups of Batman's elbows doing jerky movements. I also think Katie Holmes not only is a horrid actress whose touch turns everything to shit (I reference her amazing slap-stroke she gives Bale in the beginning+ the only shitty part of Thank you for Smoking). She's also vastly overrated in the looks department. I'm sure some people here like porcelain saggy doll-faced melting clayheads. Not me.

Which is why Dark Knight is such a pleasant surprise for me. I really enjoyed the whole thing. I think the Holmes replacement is actually quite beautiful and all the guys who complain about her looks are babbling psycopaths to me. Everyone has already made the comments I'd make about it all... I echo Patrice's lamenting that this movie really makes you feel bad that Heath is dead. Soundtrack was top-notch. I was actually at the edge of my seat a couple times... I give alot of credit to these guys for once... it's rare that I enjoy a comic book movie this much. Let alone write this much...christ almighty I wrote a fuggin book over here.

[thepaulo]

Batman Begins had boring villians as well as other problems...
The Dark Knight does have a truly great villian and even though I'm still not overjoyed with the Nolan approach here (no matter how great Memento was) it is still a huge improvement.

[TeeBone]

This movie was great but Maggie Gyllenhaal is just horrific to look at.
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/images/user/MaggieGyllenhaal.jpg
Even when she's all gussied Up, its hard to look at her. Her acting is equally ugly.
The proverbial, '100 yard dash in a 90 yard room' syndrome.

[KingGeno]

Just thought of this. When the Joker was at the dock, with the stack of his half of the Mob money, he set it ablaze. When the scene started, he was up on top of the stack with the Chinese businessman who orchestrated the mass money cover-up. Joker jumped off, said a few things, and lit all the money up.

Did they ever show the Chinese business man being pulled down off, or did they light him up with the stack also?

[TooLowBrow]

Just thought of this. When the Joker was at the dock, with the stack of his half of the Mob money, he set it ablaze. When the scene started, he was up on top of the stack with the Chinese businessman who orchestrated the mass money cover-up. Joker jumped off, said a few things, and lit all the money up.

Did they ever show the Chinese business man being pulled down off, or did they light him up with the stack also?
no, there was a scene where they took him down, brushed him off and sent him on his way

[Captain Rooster]

Awesome film, a bit long.

Nothing can beat the "Begins" story--so epic, so Campbell's "Hero Wheel"

Heath Ledger ... and this is not simply a comic fan typing ... should be considered for awards ... he really brought CRAZY to a historically "wacky" adaptation for film and TV.

No spoiler ... the ass-kicking scenes are brutal ... LOVE the realism rather than the fly-by-wire Matrix-style shit done in other action films.

[foodcourtdruide]

Finally saw this movie with my wife and I was very happy with it. I thought the story was phenominal and Ledger's acting was incredible. Also, Gary Oldman is perfect for Gordon.

The film was obviously not perfect and I think it's a bit premature to call this an instant oscar winner, and Ledger the instant best supporting actor.

If I could say I have critiques of the film they'd be as follows:

- Bale's sore throat voice. I don't understand why he talked like this. Kinda took you out of the film a few times.
- The Chinese Businessman piece of the plot really went no where and seemed like an excuse to use the escape on a plane special effect and go to China.
- The editing was blah. They had quick cuts in places that I thought called for dramatic pause.
- Stylistically, I wasn't impressed. There's a lot you can do color-wise with Batman and I just didn't see it here. Nolan did a great job directing his actors and following a clean narrative, but I don't think he captured Gotham well.

Overall I'd say it's clearly the best superhero movie I've ever seen and I thought it was really good.

Edit: Also, I really hated the sonar cell phone scene. It was so far-fetched and unbelievable. It was almost as ridiculous as the Apple Powerbook being able to upload a virus to an alien computer in Independence Day.

[TheMojoPin]

Bale's sore throat voice. I don't understand why he talked like this. Kinda took you out of the film a few times.

When it's mentioned in the comics, it's usually said he speaks with a "rasp." It makes sense that he has to do this since out of the mask he's a high society type who is in the news a lot. He's gotta sound significantly different than he normally talks.

- Stylistically, I wasn't impressed. There's a lot you can do color-wise with Batman and I just didn't see it here.

I'm curious about this...what colors are there to use with Batman? At best he's clad in black and gray with a yellow belt.

[foodcourtdruide]

When it's mentioned in the comics, it's usually said he speaks with a "rasp." It makes sense that he has to do this since out of the mask he's a high society type who is in the news a lot. He's gotta sound significantly different than he normally talks.



I'm curious about this...what colors are there to use with Batman? At best he's clad in black and gray with a yellow belt.

I don't know if he has to sound significantly different than he normally talks. We suspend so much disbelief throughout the film, why can't we suspend disbelief for that?

Also, by Batman, I mean the Batman world, not the actual physical character. I really liked the way Burton painted Gotham and to some extent how Nolan painted it in Batman Begins. This may be more of a critique of the cinematographer though.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't know if he has to sound significantly different than he normally talks. We suspend so much disbelief throughout the film, why can't we suspend disbelief for that?

That would be a pretty big leap.

Also, by Batman, I mean the Batman world, not the actual physical character. I really liked the way Burton painted Gotham and to some extent how Nolan painted it in Batman Begins. This may be more of a critique of the cinematographer though.

I still really like the Burton films, but that was his touch in the first on more than him "playing with the character." It was more "this is a Tim Burton world and I'm sticking Batman into it" as opposed to Gotham supposedly being a major east coast city in America.

[KingGeno]

- Bale's sore throat voice. I don't understand why he talked like this. Kinda took you out of the film a few times.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1824339 - This pretty much sums up the voice issue....

Oh, and I highly suggest all of you to go see Dark Knight another 2-3 times. Titanic is gay at #1 movie of all time.

[foodcourtdruide]

That would be a pretty big leap.



I still really like the Burton films, but that was his touch in the first on more than him "playing with the character." It was more "this is a Tim Burton world and I'm sticking Batman into it" as opposed to Gotham supposedly being a major east coast city in America.

I think the entire story takes a pretty huge leap, honestly I just think it was a really weird voice that kinda took me out of the film a few times. Not a huge deal, but I may have done it differently.

And I agree with your second point and to be honest, it worked really well.

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1824339 - This pretty much sums up the voice issue....

Oh, and I highly suggest all of you to go see Dark Knight another 2-3 times. Titanic is gay at #1 movie of all time.

A superhero movie would be kinda embarrassing too.

[Doctor Manhattan]

As a huge Christopher Nolan fan, I would not be embarrassed if this superhero movie was the #1 movie of all time, Not like it's Batman & Robin we're talking about here.

[angrymissy]

Saw this over the weekend and was also perplexed by eyeliner guy. Enjoyed it, EXCEPT (this seems to happen all the time now) someone decided to bring a fucking toddler to the movies, that was crying on and off the whole time. WTF. I wish we had those fancy restaurant expensive style movie theaters here, because I would gladly play $20 to ensure I'm not going to have the movie interrupted by kids or babies.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

This movie was great but Maggie Gyllenhaal is just horrific to look at.
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/images/user/MaggieGyllenhaal.jpg
Even when she's all gussied Up, its hard to look at her. Her acting is equally ugly.
The proverbial, '100 yard dash in a 90 yard room' syndrome.

You sir, have no dick or balls.

[TheMojoPin]

You sir, have no dick or balls.

You're confused. He didn't say he was a butch lesbian lusting after the turtle you can draw to get ino art school.

[TonyStark]

I though Gyllenhaal brought way more depth to the role in a regard that Katie Holmes could not. Sure she's nice to look at but her acting leaves something to be desired. Still though I would have liked to have one actress throughout if for nothing more than continuity and trying to keep my suspension of disbelief in the 'on' position.

[TheMojoPin]

I think Dawes was a shittily written Mary Sue of a character in both films.

[KingGeno]

I think Dawes was a shittily written Mary Sue of a character in both films.

I'm glad they killed her ass. Really happy they moved away from the female holding back the hero. I mean...that's what they always do. Look at how Spider-Man 3 turned out. He had to save bitches, fix turmoil with bitches, etc. Took away from the story of a superhero saving people, and not focusing on saving this relationship. Corny ass shit.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm glad they killed her ass. Really happy they moved away from the female holding back the hero. I mean...that's what they always do. Look at how Spider-Man 3 turned out. He had to save bitches, fix turmoil with bitches, etc. Took away from the story of a superhero saving people, and not focusing on saving this relationship. Corny ass shit.

I totally agree. Like I've said, superhero comics are almost always classically homoerotic with female characters awkwardly fit in to try and make things seem "less gay." Just cut the bullshit and make these things what they are...muscular men getting all worked up and obsessed with and sweaty over other dudes and wanting to wrestle with them.

[TooLowBrow]

batman/bruce wayne was never a dating type of character. he'd have some playboy chicks on his arms as bruce, but he'd never date any of them. mostly they only went out with him the one time. this is because he has too much to do with saving gotham to pursue a relationship with some floozy. plus he is gay.

[MobCounty]

Yeah, proven by the shitastic spiderman love interest plots...


Just saw it, great movie.

Man, I wanted there to be a twist on the ferry.. It would have been great to see the 'good' people blow up because they chose to kill the 'bad' people.


Really, the only thing I found distracting was the bat costume. I think batman should look more like Rainbow Six instead of a literal 'batman' costume..

[Doctor Manhattan]

Really, the only thing I found distracting was the bat costume. I think batman should look more like Rainbow Six instead of a literal 'batman' costume..

I'm not sure if it's a "rainbow six" type costume (since I am not familar with R6) but batman's costume (at least the one from Batman Begins and the beginning of this movie is a military combat suit. He's just painted it all black and added the half mask, bat ears, bat symbol and cape/wings to it.

[Gwen]

Yeah, proven by the shitastic spiderman love interest plots...


Man, I wanted there to be a twist on the ferry.. It would have been great to see the 'good' people blow up because they chose to kill the 'bad' people.


I totally thought the same thing!

[cougarjake13]

- Bale's sore throat voice. I don't understand why he talked like this. Kinda took you out of the film a few times.
.

When it's mentioned in the comics, it's usually said he speaks with a "rasp." It makes sense that he has to do this since out of the mask he's a high society type who is in the news a lot. He's gotta sound significantly different than he normally talks.




yeh his normal voice is going to be very recognizable so he has to do something but its not as bad as clark let me throw on a pair of glasses and no one will know im superman kent

[cougarjake13]

I don't know if he has to sound significantly different than he normally talks. We suspend so much disbelief throughout the film, why can't we suspend disbelief for that?



but you're thinking as you the viewer watching the movie

you have to think as if you were a gothamite

if he didnt change his voice somewhat, eventually someone would recognize the voice

[cougarjake13]

Man, I wanted there to be a twist on the ferry.. It would have been great to see the 'good' people blow up because they chose to kill the 'bad' people.


..


i guess only nolan knows but i think with how twisted the joker was in the movie that was exactly what would happen

[angrymissy]

Why doesn't get just have morgan freeman make him a spiffy voice modulator built into his suit?

[cougarjake13]

Why doesn't get just have morgan freeman make him a spiffy voice modulator built into his suit?

only problem with that is his mouth is exposed so where would it go ??

[TooLowBrow]

only problem with that is his mouth is exposed so where would it go ??

it would be over his voicebox, and change the sounds from there

[cougarjake13]

it would be over his voicebox, and change the sounds from there

wouldnt that just be a target for bad guys to just rip at it ??

[TooLowBrow]

wouldnt that just be a target for bad guys to just rip at it ??

no, because no one would know it was there and it would be under his costume

[TheMojoPin]

Why doesn't get just have morgan freeman make him a spiffy voice modulator built into his suit?

Then just cast a nobody as Batman and hire a name to do his voice. They're simply not going to do a voiceover of the dude they shelled out the bucks for to play Bats.

In the comic, he tends not to talk much, if at all, around people he definitely doesn't want to know who he really is. You can't get away with that too much in the films.

[KingGeno]

no, there was a scene where they took him down, brushed him off and sent him on his way

Hmm. Not according to this picture.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4780/ac0708dk25jd8.jpg

Lau's still on top. Unless they changed this. I've seen the film three times, maybe I keep missing this scene you describe. I think it is more implied that the guy was worthless now, and was being burnt alive.

[Dougie Brootal]

I totally agree. Like I've said, superhero comics are almost always classically homoerotic with female characters awkwardly fit in to try and make things seem "less gay." Just cut the bullshit and make these things what they are...muscular men getting all worked up and obsessed with and sweaty over other dudes and wanting to wrestle with them.

im very aroused...

[TheMojoPin]

Why do I keep reading people comparing this flick to Heat?

TDK is good, but it's in nowhere near the same realm as a film like Heat. Hell, I don't even see how they're similar.

[FunkyDrummer]

Why do I keep reading people comparing this flick to Heat?

TDK is good, but it's in nowhere near the same realm as a film like Heat. Hell, I don't even see how they're similar.

From IMDB.com:

# Christopher Nolan cites the film Heat (1995) as a major influence on this movie. 'William Fitchner' played in ‘Heat’ and in the scene in ‘The Dark Knight’ that was obviously inspired by Heat.
LINK (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/trivia)

[Furtherman]

Why do I keep reading people comparing this flick to Heat?

TDK is good, but it's in nowhere near the same realm as a film like Heat. Hell, I don't even see how they're similar.

I think it was Christopher Nolan who said Heat was one of the movies he watched to prepare making this film. I'm guessing people try to find the similarities, but you're right, they can't be compared.

[TheMojoPin]

From IMDB.com:

# Christopher Nolan cites the film Heat (1995) as a major influence on this movie. 'William Fitchner' played in ‘Heat’ and in the scene in ‘The Dark Knight’ that was obviously inspired by Heat.
LINK (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/trivia)

"Obviously?" It's a bank heist that is nothing like any of the ones in Heat with an actor playing a completely different character. Nolan may have been "inspired" by the film, but I see little to none of it carrying over to TDK.

[Furtherman]

Maybe President Palmer was the wheel man.

[TonyStark]

"Obviously?" It's a bank heist that is nothing like any of the ones in Heat with an actor playing a completely different character. Nolan may have been "inspired" by the film, but I see little to none of it carrying over to TDK.

It didn't really have that much in common. They were both really cool heists and movies overall but there wasn't much common ground there.

[Furtherman]

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[Dr Steve]

I'm sure some people here like porcelain saggy doll-faced melting clayheads. Not me.

ok, this made me laugh really hard.



Which is why Dark Knight is such a pleasant surprise for me. I really enjoyed the whole thing. I think the Holmes replacement is actually quite beautiful and all the guys who complain about her looks are babbling psycopaths to me.


yeah, ms gyllenhall (sp?) is a very good actress, and she has a very odd beauty. In some scenes she looked like a li'l pig nose, but she carried herself so well that she was still beautiful, IMHO. I really liked her in "Stranger than Fiction", and I was glad they got a real actress for this movie.


I echo Patrice's lamenting that this movie really makes you feel bad that Heath is dead.


that's the first thing I said after the movie was over...his rant at about how Batman would never kill him because he had principles and that he'd never kill Batman because he was just too much fun was classic Joker/Batman stuff. I really felt at that moment that they could just make one Joker movie after another and I'd watch every one.


Soundtrack was top-notch. I was actually at the edge of my seat a couple times... I give alot of credit to these guys for once... it's rare that I enjoy a comic book movie this much. Let alone write this much...christ almighty I wrote a fuggin book over here.

what he said ^^^

my experience exactly.


the movie had holes a mile wide and in the end I just didn't care; I thought the events leading to the creation of TWO FACE made him make sense. I loved the "Killing Joke" Joker with the morphing origin stories, and the turn of events that have turned Batman into a real outlaw for the third and (so I hear) last Nolan/Bale Batman movie.

Anyone have any ideas on who the villans will be in the next one?

[Captain Rooster]

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VERY COOL.

[Dirtybird12]

Reports going around that Johnny Depp is being offered the Riddler role and Phillip Seymour Hoffman for Penguin.

[EliSnow]

Reports going around that Johnny Depp is being offered the Riddler role and Phillip Seymour Hoffman for Penguin.

I'm guessing those are bullshit reports. While either or both of those villains are likely choices for the third movie, I think I read that there isn't even a script yet. Until they get a final script, I think it's too early to hire someone to play these roles.

Not that Hollywood hasn't done this before, because they certainly have. But often that leads to a bad movie. And I don't think the parties involved will do that here. They'll come up with a script that works well, and then cast (hopefully).

[TonyStark]

Reports going around that Johnny Depp is being offered the Riddler role and Phillip Seymour Hoffman for Penguin.I'm almost positive that Nolan said he would not be doing anything with the Penguin because he didn't like the villian.

Well: in 2006 this is what he said
http://www.cinematical.com/2006/10/14/chris-nolan-says-no-to-the-penguin/

"'I'd be more excited to have Philip Seymour Hoffman in the film than to have the Penguin. There are certain characters that are easier to mesh with the more real take on Batman we're doing. The Penguin would be tricky."