Speeding Ticket

[newport king]

<p>Ok, so long story short i got caught speeding the other morning on the way to work. when i saw him i saw i was doing roughly 70. When he comes to my window he informs me he had me doing 90 in a 50. whatever pig. this is the same cop who game me a ticket for doing 33 in a 25 then when i turned into a park accused me of &quot;trying to run&quot; when i didn't know he was behind me.</p><p>So my question is if i go before a judge (talk to the prosecutor, whatever) is there a way that i can spend a shitload in fines and have the points dropped? I have no problem forking over 1000 to make this go away. Some people have told me its like &quot;lets make a deal&quot;. Anyone have any experience in this field?</p>

[FUNKMAN]

all i know is you can go to court and plea bargain to reduce points. i've only witnessed and experienced 2 points being dropped. maybe they'll drop 4 but i doubt they'll go further than that.

[newport king]

<p>you think theyd go further if i keep telling them i'll give more money??</p>

[reeshy]

Money can't buy you love!!!!!<br />

[absinthe]

I have no personal experience in this, but friends tell me if you hire any sort of legal representation thats pretty much an automatic reduction in points unless you have extensive violations or some other red flag.&nbsp; Then again, most of my friends are idiots or in jail.&nbsp; <br />

[Hottub]

<p>As you mentioned. you have to talk to the prosecutor before court is in session. plead your case, and he will more than likely cut a deal.</p><p>Also, if the officer doesn't show up, it may be acquitted.</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>Do you live in Jersey?&nbsp; If so, I can be of help.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>If you live in Jersey, you want to plead your case to this violation:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><table width="499" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" border="0"><tr><td width="85">39:4&ndash;97.2 </td>
<td width="351">Driving in an unsafe manner (points only assessed for the third or subsequent violation(s) within a five-year period)</td>
<td width="47"><div align="center">4</div></td></tr></table><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Here's how it works.&nbsp; 39:4&ndash;97.2 was created by the NJ State Government because they saw all these people pleading down speeding tickets, which was great for the municipalities, but the State wanted their cut.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So they created this law to eliminate the loopholes so they get their money as well.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Your first offense, you'll be tagged for about 400 dollars, if memory serves.&nbsp; No points.&nbsp; The state gets their cut, plus you have to pay court costs and other crap.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If you have a clean record, it's pretty worthless to use 39:4&ndash;97.2 because it's just a wash against your insurance, but if you have a spotty record, it's a better bet so you don't get dropped by your insurance and risk losing your license.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>39:4-97.2 Unsafe Driving, operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner, offense
created; fines., 4 points on third offense </p>
<p>1. a. Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, it shall be unlawful
for any person to drive or operate a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner likely to endanger
a person or property. </p>
<p>B. A person convicted of a first offense under subsection a. shall be subject to a fine
of not less than $50.00 or more than $150.00 and shall not be assessed any motor vehicle
penalty points pursuant to section 1 of P.L. 1982, c.43 (C.39:5-30.5). </p>
<p>c. A person convicted of a second offense under subsection a. shall be subject to a
fine of not less than $100.00 or more than $250.00 and shall not be assessed any motor
vehicle penalty points pursuant to section 1 of P.L. 1982, c.43 (C.39:5-30.5). </p>
<p>d. A person convicted of a third or subsequent offense under subsection a. shall be
subject to a fine of not less than $200.00 or more than $500.00 and shall be assessed
motor vehicle penalty points pursuant to section 1 of P.L. 1982, c.43 (C.39:5-30.5). </p>
<p>e. An offense committed under this section that occurs more than five years after the
prior offense shall not be considered a subsequent offense for the purpose of assessing
motor vehicle penalty points under subsection d. of this section. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[HeyGuy]

<strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br /><p>39:4-97.2 Unsafe Driving, operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner, offense created; fines., 4 points on third offense </p><p>1. a. Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, it shall be unlawful for any person to drive or operate a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner likely to endanger a person or property. </p><p>B. A person convicted of a first offense under subsection a. shall be subject to a fine of not less than $50.00 or more than $150.00 and shall not be assessed any motor vehicle penalty points pursuant to section 1 of P.L. 1982, c.43 (C.39:5-30.5). </p><p>c. A person convicted of a second offense under subsection a. shall be subject to a fine of not less than $100.00 or more than $250.00 and shall not be assessed any motor vehicle penalty points pursuant to section 1 of P.L. 1982, c.43 (C.39:5-30.5). </p><p>d. A person convicted of a third or subsequent offense under subsection a. shall be subject to a fine of not less than $200.00 or more than $500.00 and shall be assessed motor vehicle penalty points pursuant to section 1 of P.L. 1982, c.43 (C.39:5-30.5). </p><p>e. An offense committed under this section that occurs more than five years after the prior offense shall not be considered a subsequent offense for the purpose of assessing motor vehicle penalty points under subsection d. of this section. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Are you a lwayer? If so what kind? I may need one some day.</p>

[newport king]

<p>1. yes i live in jersey</p><p>2. the first thing you posted, paying a shitload in fines sounds like what i'm looking to do. but will they do that on a 5 point ticket?</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>newport king</strong> wrote:<br /><p>1. yes i live in jersey</p><p>2. the first thing you posted, paying a shitload in fines sounds like what i'm looking to do. but will they do that on a 5 point ticket?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>How many points do you have on your license now?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Do you have any DUIs on your license?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As long as you have a semi-clean record, no DUIs, and you are cordial with the prosecutor, you'll be fine, I'm pretty sure.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Normally, the municipalities would prefer you to please Unsafe Operation because they get more money that way.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It doesn't hurt to ask for Unsafe Operation.&nbsp; Worse case scenario, they say no and you're no worse off.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br /><p>39:4-97.2 Unsafe Driving, operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner, offense created; fines., 4 points on third offense </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Are you a lwayer? If so what kind? I may need one some day.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm not a lawyer, but I'm familiar with how the system works, and I apply my real-world experience to give advice to people.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Shit, Mikey's gonna sue me now.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[PapaBear]

<p>&nbsp;I don't know about where you live, but in VA, you can pay to take a defensive driving course. The course is required for some offenses, but you can take it voluntarily. I think it costs about 300 bucks, and it takes 5 points off your license. Since you're looking at trying to spend money to keep your points down, check with your state's rules about this. </p><p>&nbsp;Surprisingly, the course actually can teach you some good stuff. I even learned how to avoid some tickets. For instance... The instructor told us about cop's attitudes about running yellow lights. He said that if you speed up at the yellow, even if you make it through before it turns red, you can be ticketed for running a red light. He said to take your foot off the gas and coast through. The cops recognize that you &quot;know the deal&quot;, and won't ticket you (even if the light does turn red in the middle of the intersection). I've been doing this daily for the past 6 years. I've had cops look right at me, and leave me alone. I haven't had a ticket since.</p>

[suggums]

<a href="http://www.jesbeard.com/29ab.htm" target="_self">the information is from 1998 but a lot of it is likely still valid</a><br />

[narc]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br><p> </p><strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br /><p>39:4-97.2 Unsafe Driving, operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner, offense created; fines., 4 points on third offense </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Are you a lwayer? If so what kind? I may need one some day.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I'm not a lawyer, but I'm familiar with how the system works, and I apply my real-world experience to give advice to people.</p><p> </p><p>Shit, Mikey's gonna sue me now.</p><p> </p><p> </p><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

Don't even mention lawsuits, maan! I've lost too many friends on this board! It's just not funny!

[A.J.]

<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;I don't know about where you live, but in VA, you can pay to take a defensive driving course. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I did that when I was lived in DC and got pinched on Rock Creek Parkway.&nbsp; I didn't pay for the class though -- I just volunteered for it at DMV.</p>

[newport king]

<p>How many points do you have on your license now?</p><p><strong>none</strong></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Do you have any DUIs on your license?</p><p><strong>no</strong></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As long as you have a semi-clean record, no DUIs, and you are cordial with the prosecutor, you'll be fine, I'm pretty sure.</p><p><strong>a few speeding tickets spread over the years, nothing on a consistent basis</strong></p><p>Normally, the municipalities would prefer you to please Unsafe Operation because they get more money that way.&nbsp;</p><p><strong>thats what i'm hoping for</strong></p><p>It doesn't hurt to ask for Unsafe Operation.&nbsp; Worse case scenario, they say no and you're no worse off.</p><p><strong>worst case scenario is walking out with points. insurance will drop me and then pay a fortune for the next few years.</strong></p><p></p>

[PhishHead]

<p>i have talked down 4 points, with a plea bargin with the Prosecutor, i am not sure of what they called it, but it cost me $400 on the spot but no points or any record of it on file.&nbsp; </p><p>The part i was pissed about, was that I had an agreement with the cop that they would take away eveyrthing, but he didnt show up to court until my case was called and by then i had already bargained with the prosecutor i was pissed.</p>

[Skellington]

Blow $1500 on a lawyer and made it go away.&nbsp; Literally.&nbsp; I had a 105 in a 45, lawyer got it down to&nbsp; 'disobeying a traffic sign'.&nbsp; I&quot;m not sure about the points, but most definitely just get a consultation from a lawyer at least and see what they say they say they can do for you.&nbsp; Most likely a lawyer will make you go get your spedometer calibrated and tell you to take the driving school *5 good points*.&nbsp;

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>wbskellington2</strong> wrote:<br />Blow $1500 on a lawyer and made it go away. Literally. I had a 105 in a 45, lawyer got it down to 'disobeying a traffic sign'. I&quot;m not sure about the points, but most definitely just get a consultation from a lawyer at least and see what they say they say they can do for you. Most likely a lawyer will make you go get your spedometer calibrated and tell you to take the driving school *5 good points*. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In Jersey, a lawyer will give the same advice that I just gave, and charge a lot more.&nbsp; There aren't a lot of loopholes to plead down outside of the statute that I quoted.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Driving school is another option, and I would actually even tell the prosecutor that if they accept the plea for Unsafe Operation, that you'll go to defensive driving school.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Hell, can another person represent you in court w/o a law degree?&nbsp; If that's the case, I'll be your Mattylock.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote: <p>Hell, can another person represent you in court w/o a law degree?&nbsp; If that's the case, I'll be your Mattylock.</p><p>well sometimes you see the defendant pleading his own case and they dont usually have a law degree but im not sure how it would work with you pleading for newport king</p>

[SatCam]

how it would work with you pleading for newport king

sodomy is legal in NJ

[cougarjake13]

<strong>SatCam</strong> wrote:<br />how it would work with you pleading for newport king sodomy is legal in NJ <p>nice !!!! <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" /></p>

[mdr55]

Funny. I got pulled over for speeding today and I only got a warning.<br />

[reeshy]

<p>Sounds like you already have points on your license. Correct me if I'm wrong.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm a retired police officer. If I stopped someone like you and you had the attitude that shows in your post....you probably would not have received a summons ...you probably would have been arrested.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Calm down.....money will not solve this problem....you may be a rich person but that doesn't solve everything.....get a lawyer and try to lie your way through this one.&nbsp;</p>

[newport king]

<p>yeah, i didn't say anything to the cop when he pulled me over. i'm by no means rich but i''d rather pay fines and court fees than insurance skyrocketing. and no i don't currently have points on my liscence.</p><p>what would i have been arrested for? handing him my insurance and registration?</p>