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FMJeff

08-10-2006, 09:38 PM

I've been thinking about the recent failed attempt to blow up several US bound airliners and I was thinking...why don't they just eliminate carry-on luggage? I mean, aside from handbags and books, wouldn't we be worlds safer? Would you be against relinquishing your right to a carry on in exchange for faster inspections? I certainly would. I think carry-ons should be limited to the following:1) electronic devices that have been thoroughly inspected. 2) wallets that have been thoroughly inspected.3) ONE purse OR handbag containing no makeup or liquids that have been thoroughly inspected. 4) medication, inhalers, and baby formula that have been thoroughly inspected. 5) books and magazines that have been thoroughly inspected. and that's it. nothing else. what do you think?

FUNKMAN

08-10-2006, 09:41 PM

i guess if they could truly secure your other luggage then okay but don't people still find shit missing from their luggage or their luggage gets lost and never found?

A.J.

08-11-2006, 03:49 AM

What Funkman said.  When I go on business trips abroad, I always bring a small carry-on with a change of underwear and some toiletries in the event my other luggage gets lost.  Now I have to trust the competency of the airlines to ensure my things arrive on-time and in good shape.  I like the Red Sox' chances of winning the World Series this year a lot better.And as I said in another thread: do we now prohibit duty-free shopping?  How are you going to get your things into luggage that has already been checked?  The loss of business is going to suck for airports.

landarch

08-11-2006, 04:00 AM

I'd be up for that.  As for the loss of business in the duty free stores, a portion of those dollars could be made up in the sales of toiletries at the airports--You can't bring em in, but you can buy them on the way out.

HeyGuy

08-11-2006, 04:01 AM

Why not just make it so you cant bring anything on the plane at all? You will have to ship your shit in advance. At the end of the day, no matter what we do we will never stop this shit. You can fight all the wars and kill as many people as you want. But there will always be crazy nuts that are willing to die for whatever it is that are trying to do. They only need to get lucky once.

Judge Smails

08-11-2006, 05:20 AM

Or, we could follow The Kid's advice from another <a href="http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/video_disp.asp?videoid=1183" target="_self">thread</a>.

Dougie Brootal

08-11-2006, 05:39 AM

UnknownPD

08-11-2006, 06:00 AM

Last night I spent 4 hours on the Runway at Syracuse. Our 5:15 flight finally took off at 10:20 arrived at Kennedy at 11:25pm and then sat on the runway till 1am because they couldn't get to the gate. Finally got back to my car at 2am and then got stuck on the Van Wyck for an hour. Got in the door about 3:30 and had to get up at six to be at work. And my carry-on was hand searched. Lost my toothpaste, purell, face cream, sunscreen, shampoo and assorted stuff....

JustJon

08-11-2006, 06:40 AM

My mother, sister, niece and nephew are in Florida visiting family right now, and I have no idea what kind of hell they'll have to go thru tomorrow when they try and bring a 4 and almost 2 year old thru the airport and can't bring things on the plane for the kids.

FUNKMAN

08-11-2006, 06:47 AM

JustJon wrote: My mother, sister, niece and nephew are in Florida visiting family right now, and I have no idea what kind of hell they'll have to go thru tomorrow when they try and bring a 4 and almost 2 year old thru the airport and can't bring things on the plane for the kids. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_re_us/us_terror_plot_passengers" target="_self">news story</a>MIAMI - Security procedures were still evolving at U.S. airports early Friday, with a second layer of check points opening at the airplane gates and National Guard troops arriving to patrol major airports in New York, California and Massachusetts. Rather filling trash cans at the security checkpoints with now-banned makeup, perfume and suntan lotion, travelers were packing those items in their checked luggage instead. That helped shrink the check point lines for domestic flights to lengths closer to normal Friday morning at Miami International Airport, spokesman Greg Chin said.

JustJon

08-11-2006, 07:14 AM

Yeah, but they're coming from Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood airport  <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" />

fezident

08-11-2006, 07:36 AM

I don't care if they inspect each and every pocket and pouch on every single piece of my luggage and carry-on bags....just don't make me wait around while you do it. There needs to be at least 25 security "lanes" at these places.  Not TWO.  Not FOUR.  TWENTY FIVE.Those security/xray checkpoints should look like a f'cking bowling alley.  There should be so many lanes that, even when there is 200 people, the line is never more than 3 or 4 people.  Step over here...open your shit...turn on your shit...go through the thing...take off your belt...go through the thing AGAIN....take off your shoes...sir, step over here please....FUCK!! If they're gonna beef up security, they should maybe HIRE MORE SECURITY GUARDS!   And don't get me started on Customs.  Jeezchrist.

UnknownPD

08-11-2006, 07:39 AM

I have no idea what kind of hell they'll have to go thru tomorrow Hopefully they will have a better grasp on it by tomorrow. Every item was searched at the gate and a lot of the delay was created by people arguing with TSA. Maybe now that things are a little clearer people will check stuff. Also...banning all carry on's will kill airline travel. When you're flying into a place for the day or a quick weekend time is everything; checking bags is just not an option. Beyond that you should always carry backups with you in case the luggage gets lost.

PhishHead

08-11-2006, 08:03 AM

fezident wrote: I don't care if they inspect each and every pocket and pouch on every single piece of my luggage and carry-on bags....just don't make me wait around while you do it. There needs to be at least 25 security "lanes" at these places.  Not TWO.  Not FOUR.  TWENTY FIVE.Those security/xray checkpoints should look like a f'cking bowling alley.  There should be so many lanes that, even when there is 200 people, the line is never more than 3 or 4 people.  Step over here...open your shit...turn on your shit...go through the thing...take off your belt...go through the thing AGAIN....take off your shoes...sir, step over here please....FUCK!! If they're gonna beef up security, they should maybe HIRE MORE SECURITY GUARDS!   And don't get me started on Customs.  Jeezchrist.I completely agree...defintely need more lanes...JFK only has i believe 4 and they are one of the most traveled airports in the world, yet only has 4 per terminal that makes no sense whatsoever.

UnknownPD

08-11-2006, 08:21 AM

I completely agree...defintely need more lanes...JFK only has i believe 4 and they are one of the most traveled airports in the world, yet only has 4 per terminal that makes no sense whatsoever. There was no problem yesterday getting through the X-Ray line. It was at the gate. No matter how many TSA guys you had doing the inspections they would have been outnumbered by the asshole complainers.

kdubya

08-11-2006, 08:39 AM

FMJeff wrote: I've been thinking about the recent failed attempt to blow up several US bound airliners and I was thinking...why don't they just eliminate carry-on luggage? I mean, aside from handbags and books, wouldn't we be worlds safer? Would you be against relinquishing your right to a carry on in exchange for faster inspections? I certainly would. I think carry-ons should be limited to the following:1) electronic devices that have been thoroughly inspected. 2) wallets that have been thoroughly inspected.3) ONE purse OR handbag containing no makeup or liquids that have been thoroughly inspected. 4) medication, inhalers, and baby formula that have been thoroughly inspected. 5) books and magazines that have been thoroughly inspected. and that's it. nothing else. what do you think? The only problem is the "thoroughly inspected". Its hard to define how somehting like that should be inspected, and how to do it in an ammount of time that won't completely bring an airport to a standstill. Thats why they have just banned the stuff.

Tenbatsuzen

08-11-2006, 08:49 AM

My parents are in Phoenix right now, and are due home late Sunday night.  I have a feeling I should append that to "early Monday morning".

patsopinion

08-11-2006, 09:03 AM

how about a fast track kind of thing for those of us without anybags at all

Thebazile78

08-11-2006, 09:23 AM

JustJon wrote: My mother, sister, niece and nephew are in Florida visiting family right now, and I have no idea what kind of hell they'll have to go thru tomorrow when they try and bring a 4 and almost 2 year old thru the airport and can't bring things on the plane for the kids.   Juice and formula for babies and toddlers is still OK. Your sister & mom may need to sip it for the security folks at the 2nd checkpoint to confirm it is what it advertises itself to be, but they should be OK bringing that aboard. <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm" target="_blank" title="TSA - Threat Level and Airport Security Measures">From the TSA:</a> Exception: Baby formula and breast milk if a
baby or small child is traveling; prescription medicine with a name
that matches the passenger’s ticket; and insulin and essential other
non-prescription medicines

JustJon

08-11-2006, 09:35 AM

Thebazile78 wrote: JustJon wrote: My mother, sister, niece and nephew are in Florida visiting family right now, and I have no idea what kind of hell they'll have to go thru tomorrow when they try and bring a 4 and almost 2 year old thru the airport and can't bring things on the plane for the kids. Juice and formula for babies and toddlers is still OK. Your sister & mom may need to sip it for the security folks at the 2nd checkpoint to confirm it is what it advertises itself to be, but they should be OK bringing that aboard. <a title="TSA - Threat Level and Airport Security Measures" target="_blank" href="http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm">From the TSA:</a> Exception: Baby formula and breast milk if a
baby or small child is traveling; prescription medicine with a name
that matches the passenger’s ticket; and insulin and essential other
non-prescription medicines   I hope so.  The two kids can be very particular eaters/drinkers, so I'd feel sorry for the other passengers if they can't bring along the right food and drink for the kids.

DJEvelEd

08-11-2006, 10:34 AM

How do we protect our buses, trains, subways, malls, movie theaters and restaurants?Can this be done without eroding our rights?

SatCam

08-11-2006, 12:07 PM

this is exactly why I don't leave my house

furie

08-11-2006, 01:05 PM

every day i suggest that all carry on items be checked. the technology to screen checked baggage is on average superior and faster than checkpoint screening.

the main reason is customer service. people want to carry items on, and since most people are dissatisfied with the current intrusive searches, TSA doesn't want to piss people off more. basicly the public wouldn't stand for it for long.

furie

08-11-2006, 01:12 PM

patsopinion wrote: how about a fast track kind of thing for those of us without anybags at all 


actually, there is a pilot program for this. not for people without items, but for people who have gone through a security background check. basicly, you'll go to a lane off to the side and go through a less intensive check, since it's reasonable that if you passed the background check and have been made part of the "secure flight" program then they're less concerned with what you'd have.

right now it's only being done in orlando. it is uncertain if the program will be expanded.

i'm against it.

Bulldogcakes

08-11-2006, 02:18 PM

FMJeff wrote: I've been thinking about the recent failed attempt to blow up several US bound airliners and I was thinking...why don't they just eliminate carry-on luggage? I mean, aside from handbags and books, wouldn't we be worlds safer? Would you be against relinquishing your right to a carry on in exchange for faster inspections? I certainly would. I think carry-ons should be limited to the following:1) electronic devices that have been thoroughly inspected. 2) wallets that have been thoroughly inspected.3) ONE purse OR handbag containing no makeup or liquids that have been thoroughly inspected. 4) medication, inhalers, and baby formula that have been thoroughly inspected. 5) books and magazines that have been thoroughly inspected. and that's it. nothing else. what do you think?  Remember how the President (and others) always said after 9/11 that if we dont just normally go about our lives then "The Terrorists have won?"Everytime I see one of these lists, I think they have.    <blockquote />

FMJeff

08-15-2006, 09:09 PM

they have. As for additional security guards, I cannot imagine the kind of overhead required to add additional staff to reduce traffic load, but I can guess its more than what the airports can afford to be profitable.