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Dan G

08-12-2006, 08:06 PM

Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. 
I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. 
Here is the address for XM's headquarters.

1500 Eckington Place, NE 
Washington, DC 20002

It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 09:17 PM

Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. 
I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. 
Here is the address for XM's headquarters.

1500 Eckington Place, NE 
Washington, DC 20002

It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis.   XM knows how many people are listening.  When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know.

mikeyboy

08-12-2006, 09:20 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. Here is the address for XM's headquarters. 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis.   XM knows how many people are listening.  When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know.  Do they?  I've heard some people say that they do and some people say that they can't track that information by individual.  Point me to the information that illustrates what you are apparently so sure of.

Dan G

08-12-2006, 09:24 PM

Satellite transmissions are one way. XM has no way of knowing which stations are listened to other than by surveys and feedback from listeners.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 09:37 PM

mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. Here is the address for XM's headquarters. 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis. XM knows how many people are listening. When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know. Do they? I've heard some people say that they do and some people say that they can't track that information by individual. Point me to the information that illustrates what you are apparently so sure of.   Opie has said on the show (and others have commented) that XM has very good data on what people are listening to, but don't want to release the numbers so as not to give a competitive edge to Sirius.  During the first week, Opie gave a very specific idea ("the size of a small college town") to the size of the audience.  O&A's humbleness in the beginning, and their arrogance now leads me to believe that they have a VERY good idea what their listener data is. Panero also admitted that O&A are the most-listened to show on the platform.The online stream alone is very easily tracked.  I have personal experience knowing that stream software can give you breakdowns on how many people are listening, geographic locations (via IP address resolution) and how long they have been listening for.

mikeyboy

08-12-2006, 09:39 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. Here is the address for XM's headquarters. 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis.   XM knows how many people are listening. When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know.  Do they? I've heard some people say that they do and some people say that they can't track that information by individual. Point me to the information that illustrates what you are apparently so sure of.   Opie has said on the show (and others have commented) that XM has very good data on what people are listening to, but don't want to release the numbers so as not to give a competitive edge to Sirius.  During the first week, Opie gave a very specific idea ("the size of a small college town") to the size of the audience.  O&A's humbleness in the beginning, and their arrogance now leads me to believe that they have a VERY good idea what their listener data is. Panero also admitted that O&A are the most-listened to show on the platform.The online stream alone is very easily tracked.  I have personal experience knowing that stream software can give you breakdowns on how many people are listening, geographic locations (via IP address resolution) and how long they have been listening for. <img src="http://www.chariotaku.com/images/backpedal.jpg" border="0" />That's not what you said, and that's not what I asked you to back up.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 09:40 PM

Dango727 wrote: Satellite transmissions are one way. XM has no way of knowing which stations are listened to other than by surveys and feedback from listeners.   Doesn't the radio have to make a request from the repeaters what station it wants on?  In my experience, I haven't touched my radio at all, but I somtimes flip from channel to channel and watch the signal bars from from 3 to 1 on different stations.  Kinda makes me think SOMETHING is up.Where's the cite for YOUR info?

mikeyboy

08-12-2006, 09:45 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Dango727 wrote: Satellite transmissions are one way. XM has no way of knowing which stations are listened to other than by surveys and feedback from listeners.    Doesn't the radio have to make a request from the repeaters what station it wants on?  In my experience, I haven't touched my radio at all, but I somtimes flip from channel to channel and watch the signal bars from from 3 to 1 on different stations.  Kinda makes me think SOMETHING is up.Where's the cite for YOUR info? You're the one who stated your version as fact first.  I think the burden's on you.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 09:47 PM

mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. Here is the address for XM's headquarters. 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis. XM knows how many people are listening. When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know. Do they? I've heard some people say that they do and some people say that they can't track that information by individual. Point me to the information that illustrates what you are apparently so sure of. Opie has said on the show (and others have commented) that XM has very good data on what people are listening to, but don't want to release the numbers so as not to give a competitive edge to Sirius. During the first week, Opie gave a very specific idea ("the size of a small college town") to the size of the audience. O&A's humbleness in the beginning, and their arrogance now leads me to believe that they have a VERY good idea what their listener data is. Panero also admitted that O&A are the most-listened to show on the platform.The online stream alone is very easily tracked. I have personal experience knowing that stream software can give you breakdowns on how many people are listening, geographic locations (via IP address resolution) and how long they have been listening for. <img border="0" src="http://www.chariotaku.com/images/backpedal.jpg" />That's not what you said, and that's not what I asked you to back up.   I said "XM knows how many people are listening.  When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know." The first sentence was backed up with the statements I said about Opie's, Panero's, and my personal experience with online streams.  Perhaps the radios are one-way, but in doing a quick google, apparently XM DOES subscribe to Arbitron, it's just that XM's data isn't released in the reports like a regular radio station.  (i.e. if someone lists XM data, it goes directly to XM and is not featured in a Market report) BTW, if the radios are one-way, then how come each one has a specific ID that shuts down if the bill isn't paid, hmmm?

mikeyboy

08-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. Here is the address for XM's headquarters. 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis.   XM knows how many people are listening. When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know.  Do they? I've heard some people say that they do and some people say that they can't track that information by individual. Point me to the information that illustrates what you are apparently so sure of.   Opie has said on the show (and others have commented) that XM has very good data on what people are listening to, but don't want to release the numbers so as not to give a competitive edge to Sirius. During the first week, Opie gave a very specific idea ("the size of a small college town") to the size of the audience. O&A's humbleness in the beginning, and their arrogance now leads me to believe that they have a VERY good idea what their listener data is. Panero also admitted that O&A are the most-listened to show on the platform.The online stream alone is very easily tracked. I have personal experience knowing that stream software can give you breakdowns on how many people are listening, geographic locations (via IP address resolution) and how long they have been listening for. <img src="http://www.chariotaku.com/images/backpedal.jpg" border="0" />That's not what you said, and that's not what I asked you to back up.   I said "XM knows how many people are listening.  When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know." The first sentence was backed up with the statements I said about Opie's, Panero's, and my personal experience with online streams.  Perhaps the radios are one-way, but in doing a quick google, apparently XM DOES subscribe to Arbitron, it's just that XM's data isn't released in the reports like a regular radio station.  (i.e. if someone lists XM data, it goes directly to XM and is not featured in a Market report) BTW, if the radios are one-way, then how come each one has a specific ID that shuts down if the bill isn't paid, hmmm?  You said that if someone tunes to a channel, XM knows.  NOTHING you stated demonstrated that that was true.  You have absolutely no idea as to how they collect information on how many listeners they have.  You just think you do and decide to spout off like an expert.  The fact that XM subscribes to Arbitron probably works against you, given Arbitron's collection techniques for terrestrial radios.  Even now, you back your idea up with theories about how XM must know because they can shut down service if you don't pay your bill (which really doesn't amount to anything).  The bottom line is that YOU DON'T KNOW yet decide to throw it out there as

Dan G

08-12-2006, 09:56 PM

From XM's web site:

An XM radio can receive and play XM's encrypted digital signal once that radio is activated. XM radios incorporate a proprietary chipset that decodes the signals from the satellites and repeaters. The chipset, designed by XM in conjunction with STMicroelectronics, consists of two custom integrated circuits that process satellite and repeater signals, and decode audio and data streams.

They don't have the technology to upload what each tuned in radio is listening to. 
Online is much easier to calculate, but I imagine the majority of their subscribers have actual XM units.

HBox

08-12-2006, 10:19 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: mikeyboy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dango727 wrote: Since XM isn't covered in Arbitron ratings, I thought it would be a good idea to let XM know how much we appreciate Ron & Fez. I know a lot of people argue that XM treats them like a red-headed stepchild, but I think we should let XM know just how many of us enjoy the Ron & Fez show. I feel that a hand written note will mean much more, especially if a huge pile comes in from us. E-mail is obviously easier, but I think a note has more impact. Here is the address for XM's headquarters. 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002It's up to you who you make it out to, whether it's CEO Hugh Panero, Chairman of the Board Gary Parsons, or President Nate Davis. XM knows how many people are listening. When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know. Do they? I've heard some people say that they do and some people say that they can't track that information by individual. Point me to the information that illustrates what you are apparently so sure of. Opie has said on the show (and others have commented) that XM has very good data on what people are listening to, but don't want to release the numbers so as not to give a competitive edge to Sirius. During the first week, Opie gave a very specific idea ("the size of a small college town") to the size of the audience. O&A's humbleness in the beginning, and their arrogance now leads me to believe that they have a VERY good idea what their listener data is. Panero also admitted that O&A are the most-listened to show on the platform.The online stream alone is very easily tracked. I have personal experience knowing that stream software can give you breakdowns on how many people are listening, geographic locations (via IP address resolution) and how long they have been listening for. <img border="0" src="http://www.chariotaku.com/images/backpedal.jpg" />That's not what you said, and that's not what I asked you to back up. I said "XM knows how many people are listening. When a radio is tuned to a channel, they know." The first sentence was backed up with the statements I said about Opie's, Panero's, and my personal experience with online streams. Perhaps the radios are one-way, but in doing a quick google, apparently XM DOES subscribe to Arbitron, it's just that XM's data isn't released in the reports like a regular radio station. (i.e. if someone lists XM data, it goes directly to XM and is not featured in a Market report) BTW, if the radios are one-way, then how come each one has a specific ID that shuts down if the bill isn't paid, hmmm?   They are activated and deactivated by signal. I've read stories on XM411.com where someone cancelled their subscription had their radio work for months before being deactivated. It's all dependent on when that radio receives that deactivation signal.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 10:20 PM

mikeyboy wrote: You said that if someone tunes to a channel, XM knows. NOTHING you stated demonstrated that that was true. You have absolutely no idea as to how they collect information on how many listeners they have. You just think you do and decide to spout off like an expert. The fact that XM subscribes to Arbitron probably works against you, given Arbitron's collection techniques for terrestrial radios. Even now, you back your idea up with theories about how XM must know because they can shut down service if you don't pay your bill (which really doesn't amount to anything). The bottom line is that YOU DON'T KNOW yet decide to throw it out there as fact anyway.    1) The idea that XM has hard data on it's online streams is not "theory".  It's FACT.  I say this because a job responsibility of mine was to submit a report of people listening and average time listening every week.  The information was also discussed with our GSM on how to increase ad sales on the cluster's websites. 2) The admission by Opie during the first week of the O&A show that they have technology to track listeners is a lie then?  Something that he just pulled out of his ass to say their audience is the size of a small college town? O&A have been told several times by higher ups not to mention hard numbers on the air.  Do you notice how much time O&A spend talking about the terrestrial arbitron numbers but never mention the data they have with XM, when you know damn well it's trade secrets and competitive information they don't want Sirius knowing about?  They're always vague, and for good reason - people don't like to know they are tracked.  Unless someone reverse engineers an XM unit, or has inside information at XM, you won't have "factual" information that you crave to know this.  It is widely accepted that the Arbitron ratings system is highly flawed and can producer wildly inaccurate data, and XM had to know this when they were putting together all their technology.   Cellphones with GSM chips can track you within a block.  You're telling me that an XM radio can't produce some sort of data block about what a person listens to?   The point is this: XM knows who and what is popular.  They have tons of research and technology to back them up.  A letter writing campaign (and boy, it worked great the last time!) is fruitless. And BTW, from the User Agreement that EVER SINGLE PERSON who signs up has to agree to: XM may collect personal information about your use of the Services that
helps us customize our Services. XM will use your information to (i)
provide and improve Services, (ii) enforce the Customer Agreement,
(iii) offer you new products and services and (iv) perform market
research for our own purposes. You acknowledge and agree that we will
have the right to make portions of our customer list and your
information available to carefully selected third parties that we
believe offer products and services that may be of interest to you.
However, if you prefer that we not provide your information to third
parties, please contact us at 1-800-XM-RADIO (1-800-967-2346) or at
legal@xmradio.com. Notwithstanding the foregoing, we reserve the right
to inform ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, and any other music royalty collection
organization of your subscription for the purposes of confirming to
them that you are not responsible for the payment of music royalties if
your establishment is using only XM Services. I know you speak law, but breaking it down, XM's being vague on what data is being collected, and basically says that if you don't want a third party knowing, fine, let us know, but other than that, we use all the info we can. &

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 10:28 PM

All right, then my question is this. You're building a company with cutting edge technology.   Why WOULDN'T you put something in to give you automatic ratings?  You can't poll every single user about their listening habits.

Dan G

08-12-2006, 10:30 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Tenbatsuzen wrote: 
A letter writing campaign (and boy, it worked great the last time!) is fruitless.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

My purpose wasn't to gain a 4th hour or a better time slot. This is more like a letter of appreciation.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 10:38 PM

BTW: Disclaimer - yes, I have no idea how XM's technology works.  It IS just theory and what I've gathered from statements from Opie, Panero, et. all.  But I forgot to include the words "if" and "probably", and because of that, Mikey's jerking off because he thinks he's "got me", when I've owned him on calling me out several times in the past. So enjoy it, Mike.  But seriously, stop the Moe-Spoon-esque post stalking that you try and call me out every single time.  When I call people out, I know I'm right, and 98 percent of the time, I have facts, figures, charts, quotes, and the whole goddamn scientific method to back me up.  You try to do it as some sort of baiting mechanism, which makes YOU look bad as an admin. Maybe it's something that has to do with my own toe-the-line hostility towards other users - giving me a taste of my own medicine, perhaps?  But the problem is, I'm nearly NEVER wrong in my call-outs, and when I am, I own up to it.  (see above).  Take Jon's approach and attack my comedy stylings, or even better, take the Sheepy approach and attack my personal life.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 10:39 PM

Dango727 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: 
A letter writing campaign (and boy, it worked great the last time!) is fruitless.   

My purpose wasn't to gain a 4th hour or a better time slot. This is more like a letter of appreciation.   Then send the letters to R&F themselves, instead of Panero.  They could probably use the self-esteem boost more.

mikeyboy

08-12-2006, 10:45 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  mikeyboy wrote:   You said that if someone tunes to a channel, XM knows. NOTHING you stated demonstrated that that was true. You have absolutely no idea as to how they collect information on how many listeners they have. You just think you do and decide to spout off like an expert. The fact that XM subscribes to Arbitron probably works against you, given Arbitron's collection techniques for terrestrial radios. Even now, you back your idea up with theories about how XM must know because they can shut down service if you don't pay your bill (which really doesn't amount to anything). The bottom line is that YOU DON'T KNOW yet decide to throw it out there as fact anyway.  1) The idea that XM has hard data on it's online streams is not "theory".  It's FACT.  I say this because a job responsibility of mine was to submit a report of people listening and average time listening every week.  The information was also discussed with our GSM on how to increase ad sales on the cluster's websites. I'm not talking about online streams.  I didn't mention online streams.  I'm going to your original statement that when someone is listening to a channel, XM knows, which infers that XM can tell when one of their satellite radios is tuned to a channel, they have the technology to discern what channel that is.  2) The admission by Opie during the first week of the O&A show that they have technology to track listeners is a lie then?  Something that he just pulled out of his ass to say their audience is the size of a small college town?O&A have been told several times by higher ups not to mention hard numbers on the air.  Do you notice how much time O&A spend talking about the terrestrial arbitron numbers but never mention the data they have with XM, when you know damn well it's trade secrets and competitive information they don't want Sirius knowing about?  They're always vague, and for good reason - people don't like to know they are tracked.  Well, let's not pretend that there aren't other ways to determine the size of an audience.  As the self-proclaimed radio expert, you have to understand that.  The bottom line is that you have no idea what the methods used are to determine audience size.Now you're throwing out that they must know, but it's a secret?  Please.Unless someone reverse engineers an XM unit, or has inside information at XM, you won't have "factual" information that you crave to know this.  It is widely accepted that the Arbitron ratings system is highly flawed and can producer wildly inaccurate data, and XM had to know this when they were putting together all their technology.   Okay, so there might be the possibility that the equipment can give XM the info you claim, but we can't tell unless we reverse engineer.  Maybe.  Most likely bullshit, but once again, you have no idea.Cellphones with GSM chips can track you within a block.  You're telling me that an XM radio can't produce some sort of data block about what a person listens to?Can they?  Maybe.  Have they?  You have no idea. The point is this: XM knows who and what is popular.  They have tons of research and technology to back them up.  A letter writing campaign (and boy, it worked great the last time!) is fruitless.The bottom line is that XM information has some information about who listens to what?  How do they get it and how accurate is it?  You have no idea.As to whether a lett

Dan G

08-12-2006, 10:46 PM

I've e-mailed them to let them know I enjoy their show. I just thought it would be great if we let the people who sign their paychecks know just how much we appreciate the show.

HBox

08-12-2006, 10:52 PM

Dango727 wrote: I've e-mailed them to let them know I enjoy their show. I just thought it would be great if we let the people who sign their paychecks know just how much we appreciate the show.  Stop trying to derail the thread!!!!!!!oh wait........

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 10:58 PM

HBox wrote: Dango727 wrote: I've e-mailed them to let them know I enjoy their show. I just thought it would be great if we let the people who sign their paychecks know just how much we appreciate the show. Stop trying to derail the thread!!!!!!!oh wait........    Your avatar alone derails threads. (and of course, the site with all those hayden pics is now down)

mikeyboy

08-12-2006, 11:06 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: BTW: Disclaimer - yes, I have no idea how XM's technology works.  It IS just theory and what I've gathered from statements from Opie, Panero, et. all.  But I forgot to include the words "if" and "probably", and because of that, Mikey's jerking off because he thinks he's "got me", when I've owned him on calling me out several times in the past.Bullshit.  Examples please.So enjoy it, Mike.  But seriously, stop the Moe-Spoon-esque post stalking that you try and call me out every single time.  When I call people out, I know I'm right, and 98 percent of the time, I have facts, figures, charts, quotes, and the whole goddamn scientific method to back me up.  You try to do it as some sort of baiting mechanism, which makes YOU look bad as an admin.I have no problem with you on a personal level.  I do have a problem with how you conduct yourself on this board.  I have a problem when you post with complete arrogance, when you try to tell people what is and is not welcome on this board, when you act the authority when you are not.  When I see you do it, I will call you on it.  Why?  Perception.  It would pain me to think that when you act that way, that is the perceived face of this board.  As I said, it's not a personal thing (in fact we've never met), but I really don't like the way you tend to present yourself here.Maybe it's something that has to do with my own toe-the-line hostility towards other users - giving me a taste of my own medicine, perhaps?  But the problem is, I'm nearly NEVER wrong in my call-outs, and when I am, I own up to it.  (see above).  I don't think that's quite it, but now that you mention it, the passive-aggressive asshole tendencies probably aren't you're most redeeming traits.Take Jon's approach and attack my comedy stylings, or even better, take the Sheepy approach and attack my personal life.Look, it would be easy to take the cheap shots.  I'd like to think I'm above that.  I've made my issues with you clear.

Tenbatsuzen

08-12-2006, 11:46 PM

Mikey, I've never presented myself as the "face" of RonFez.net, and I've never tried to act (legitimately) as deputy mod, even though there has been a few times when I've helped out in certain situations. First, I resent the fact you are calling me passive agressive.  If anything, I'm the complete opposite.  For the most part, everyone knows where they stand with me, because I believe in a policy of being completely upfront with people.  I'm not the type of person who posts one thing and then says another.  I have made great lengths to try and patch up relationships with people on this board, and through one avenue or another, it either gets blown up or I get stabbed in the back.  So why the fuck should I put on a mask like other posters do?  I am who I am.  I'm VERY self-aware of my asperger like qualities, thank you very much.  It either endears you or it doesn't.   You want an example of your call-out BS towards me?  Perfect example, "Drink with the Buddies".  You called me out saying that "my vote doesn't matter if I'm not going to show up." You want to talk about representing the FACE of RonFez.net?  Are you out of your mind?  How do you think, as an admin, a post like that represents YOU to the rest of the people on this board?  Granted it's rare I go to board events.  And in the past, I've made fun of them.  But in the past, I usually made an effort to go to Bar 9, even leading up to when R&F left.  But the main reason I didn't go to any of these drinking nights recently was the plain reason it was in the middle of the week, and it's a hassle for the both of us to go in, especially when Liz has to be up at 6am the next morning.  Call me pussywhipped, but personally I think it's a real dick move to go hang out with mutual friends and one of us has a good time while the other stays home alone.   Missy suggested Karaoke, Jon said to make it a Friday night, I agreed it would be awesome and you called me out.  And even when I explained to you my reasons, did I even get an apology or even a simple "all right" or just the courtesy of a response?  No. I also remember another time when I posted something and I SPECIFICALLY used the terminology "if" and "probably" and you jumped down my throat because you thought I was presenting something as fact.  I had to point it out to you like a third grade school teacher before you backed down. I don't try to present myself as the face of the site, and I think the tone of my posts for the most part makes it obvious.   I have a very in-depth knowledge of radio, and perhaps explaining it to people the way I do is condescending.  *shrug*.  I get annoyed when people trying to talk about something I spent 8 years of my life dedicated to, and think they know it all.  I don't call people out on how to play guitar, or how to practice law, or how to cook a meal.  I know radio, and I know marketing.  You don't like it... sorry.Ron's even called me out on it during the show, but I realized that being brutally honest to the point of hurt feelings is the one way to avoid drama.  I don't really know any other way to avoid drama here outside of being repulsive to the people who are drama centers, and at leas that way, everyone knows the score with me.

spoon

08-13-2006, 01:31 AM

I'll call your spoon/moe feud and raise you a tenbats/mikeyboy tiff!!!DERAILing a nice effort by Dango, are you two happy with yourselves in the morning?  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

Sheeplovr

08-13-2006, 01:54 AM

I read about how Xm Radios have the Radio Id Name and Xm coudl Send
Messages to individual radios and that they did with the katrina flood
so since they have these Id numbers i think its like Ip numbers so liek
when your on a channel its like visiting a website and thats also why
they dont like ot talk about it cause it makes it sound like they can
track you and people dont like the taste of that  now i dont knwo if anyone said thisi  jsut went ot the end of the whole thing and replyed

spoon

08-13-2006, 02:15 AM

I read about how Xm Radios have the Radio Id Name and Xm coudl Send Messages to individual radios and that they did with the katrina flood so since they have these Id numbers i think its like Ip numbers so liek when your on a channel its like visiting a website and thats also why they dont like ot talk about it cause it makes it sound like they can track you and people dont like the taste of that  now i dont knwo if anyone said thisi  jsut went ot the end of the whole thing and replyed<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />

This message was edited by spoon on 8-13-06 @ 6:16 AM

mdr55

08-13-2006, 08:37 AM

Why are the numbers so secret? Wouldn't they want to rub it in to the other company that they got better numbers?

walking joint

08-13-2006, 09:26 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: So enjoy it, Mike.  But seriously, stop the Moe-Spoon-esque post stalking that you try and call me out every single time.  it really is pathetic.  especially from a mod.

suggums

08-13-2006, 09:49 AM

Thanks XM!

sdesort

08-13-2006, 09:53 AM

Tenbat-The reason why XM knew exactly how many subscribers where listening to O&A during their first week, was because O&A were a premium channel at that time. In order to hear O&A, you HAD TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE CHANNEL. They knew EXACTLY how many subscribers were PAYING for the channel. Now that it's no longer a premium channel, I doubt they have any kind of exact numbers any more, other than what they extrapolate from the online stream (which they CAN track as you said), subscriber feedback, polls, etc.AFAIK, the XM receivers do not have the ability to transmit. They do not contain a transmitter. And the silver-dollar sized antenna is entirely too small to transmit a signal back to the satellite. XM transmits authorized radio ID's down in their data stream. If a radio does not see it's ID in the stream as authorized, it will not allow you to tune to anything but channel 1.Also, consider the fact that the XM satellites have massive antenna arrays that spread the signal across the surface of the continental US at an angle. In order for your receiver to be able to get a signal back up to the satellite from the little antenna on the roof of your car or in the headband of your portable unit, it would also need to be able to spread a signal across the entire horizon in order to find the satellite. Since your receiver AND the satellite are always in motion with respect to each other, it cannot just focus a return signal on a known position in the sky. It would need to spread the signal across the sky in the same way the XM signal is spread across the surface of the US. Considering the size of the XM receiver's antenna, I do not believe this is possible.DirecTV and DishNet are the same way... they can only receive data from the satellites. They cannot transmit. The only connection they have back to the satellite company is via a telephone line, which is generally only used for pay-per-view billing. The HughesNet satellite internet service DOES obviously transmit back to the satellites. But it has a much more powerful TRANSceiver, and a much larger dish with a special LNB.Not taking sides here... just clarifying a few things. But I am no expert.  Corrections are welcomed.

reeshy

08-13-2006, 10:06 AM

Dear Baby Jesus,  Please don't let this thread die...EVER!!!!! It gives me a reason for living!!!!                               Thanking you in advance,                                Your devoted son, reeshy!!!!

Snoogans

08-13-2006, 10:16 AM

sdesort wrote: Tenbat-The reason why XM knew exactly how many subscribers where listening to O&A during their first week, was because O&A were a premium channel at that time. In order to hear O&A, you HAD TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE CHANNEL. They knew EXACTLY how many subscribers were PAYING for the channel. Now that it's no longer a premium channel, I doubt they have any kind of exact numbers any more, other than what they extrapolate from the online stream (which they CAN track as you said), subscriber feedback, polls, etc.AFAIK, the XM receivers do not have the ability to transmit. They do not contain a transmitter. And the silver-dollar sized antenna is entirely too small to transmit a signal back to the satellite. XM transmits authorized radio ID's down in their data stream. If a radio does not see it's ID in the stream as authorized, it will not allow you to tune to anything but channel 1.Also, consider the fact that the XM satellites have massive antenna arrays that spread the signal across the surface of the continental US at an angle. In order for your receiver to be able to get a signal back up to the satellite from the little antenna on the roof of your car or in the headband of your portable unit, it would also need to be able to spread a signal across the entire horizon in order to find the satellite. Since your receiver AND the satellite are always in motion with respect to each other, it cannot just focus a return signal on a known position in the sky. It would need to spread the signal across the sky in the same way the XM signal is spread across the surface of the US. Considering the size of the XM receiver's antenna, I do not believe this is possible.DirecTV and DishNet are the same way... they can only receive data from the satellites. They cannot transmit. The only connection they have back to the satellite company is via a telephone line, which is generally only used for pay-per-view billing. The HughesNet satellite internet service DOES obviously transmit back to the satellites. But it has a much more powerful TRANSceiver, and a much larger dish with a special LNB.Not taking sides here... just clarifying a few things. But I am no expert. Corrections are welcomed.  i didnt read past your first paragraph, and you are a winner!

Tenbatsuzen

08-13-2006, 10:46 AM

He's right.  I completely forgot you had to be subscribed.  Sdesort wins.

Snoogans

08-13-2006, 10:53 AM

wow do you look like an ass overall now

SinA

08-13-2006, 11:08 AM

I don't know if XM can tell what I listen to, and they've never sent me a survey.  However, I LOVE XM, and want the program to succeed even though I am not a stockholder.  I want to do whatever I can to help, so here is my info.My two year old MyFi XM unit is on for six to eight  hours every day. From about 10am-4pm it's on 202, the rest of the time it's either on 13, 15, or one of the 40s.  I used to have the ArtistSelect filled with all kinds of bands but got pissed that it beeped every five minutes.  Now all I have programed in there is the Grateful Dead and Nirvana.Thanks XM.

Tenbatsuzen

08-13-2006, 11:15 AM

Snoogans wrote: wow do you look like an ass overall now    This is news?  My point still stands about Mikey's behavior.

Don Stugots

08-13-2006, 11:48 AM

reeshy wrote: Dear Baby Jesus,  Please don't let this thread die...EVER!!!!! It gives me a reason for living!!!!                               Thanking you in advance,                                Your devoted son, reeshy!!!!   Dear God and Baby Jesus,i will give up jerking off in the shower for a week if this spat goes just one more day.Thanks for everything,your wayward son,stugots.

FezPaul

08-13-2006, 11:49 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: My point still stands about Mikey's behavior.I agree, he should be banned.

ChimneyFish

08-13-2006, 12:26 PM

I'm just glad we can argue over this.

Grendel_Kahn

08-13-2006, 01:17 PM

s the only one who had that happen.  Some channels come in
better than others.  That shouldn't be ther case  in a closed
bandwidth situation.  Anthony once accidently read a part of a
communique from E-LO about how they actually have MORE band than other
channels.   Makes one think how much stroke O/A REALLY have?
huh.

Splooge

08-13-2006, 02:15 PM

I get down on my knees every day and thank God for XM radio, but I only listen to channel 202. I keep getting a nagging feeling that I'm being ripped off...........

FreshJ

08-13-2006, 02:41 PM

To try and explain something about addressable systems I will say that an Xm radio is an addressable system, how else are you going to do channel blocking and other such things that they have agreed on.  With an addressable system you may have 2 way or 1 way communication.  More then likely it is one way due to the technology.  But even with satellite I'm sure there is a way to see how much is being pulled down off of one radio stream, much like a website.  Because I do believe that in statallite unlike terestial broadcast you have to make a short request to the satalite for the signal, but I could be wrong.  Kind of like a short handshake, until you get the next channel, making sure you are an authorized user.  This could be where xm gets their data.

trackstand

08-13-2006, 03:55 PM

1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002If you think I'm going down to that part of DC to say thanks, You're crazy!

OGC

08-13-2006, 04:52 PM

sdesort wrote: Tenbat-The reason why XM ........ But I am no expert.  Corrections are welcomed. <img src="http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8868/cowbelleb7.gif" border="0" />Send this guy into the big ass prize closet

Don Stugots

08-13-2006, 04:58 PM

Splooge wrote:     I get down on my knees every day and thank God for XM radio, but I only listen to channel 202. I keep getting a nagging feeling that I'm being ripped off........... you are missing out on some great stuff.  check out Lucy, Fred, Ethel, Fugus, the bone yard, top hits, deep tracks.  the comedy channels are great also.  once a week i will record 5 random hours on one of the comedy channels.  i am almost never dissapointed, maybe.(did i cover myself good enough there?)

sdesort

08-13-2006, 05:15 PM

richg0404 wrote: <address>Send this guy into the big ass prize closet</address>  <opens closet door> Oooh... a pair of Poison tickets. I can't believe no one else has snatched this prize up already. My 9 year old niece has been BEGGING me to go <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" /> <blockquote />

Don Stugots

08-13-2006, 05:38 PM

this Kat is funny.

rumplestiltskin

08-13-2006, 07:51 PM

What would Ron say?

This message was edited by rumplestiltskin on 8-20-06 @ 11:24 PM