i think i just solved the army prob & immigration

[FMJeff]

<p>So recruitment is really bad right now, Bush just authorized the involuntary marine recall...I propose this, tell me what you think...</p><p>Srrvice guarantees citizenship.</p><p>That's right folks, I took a page right out of Starship Troopers. Fight for our country for x amount of years, get paid a standard soldier's wage (which is probably more than what they're making doing odd jobs anyway) and after thier term is up, they are full fledged citizens. </p><p>What do you think? </p>

[HeyGuy]

I dont see a problem with that. We already let legal immagrants serve in our military. So this would be a great way to help illegals become americans and show their loyalty and love for thei new country. I like it.

[SinA]

so i, as an undocumented immigrant from syria, will be put in a position where i will have access to national secrets and learn how to use high powered weaponry?&nbsp; sign me up.

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>SinA</strong> wrote:<br />so i, as an undocumented immigrant from syria, will be put in a position where i will have access to national secrets and learn how to use high powered weaponry?&nbsp; sign me up. <p>&quot;National secrets?&quot;</p><p>You sure about that one?</p>

[HeyGuy]

<strong>SinA</strong> wrote:<br />so i, as an undocumented immigrant from syria, will be put in a position where i will have access to national secrets and learn how to use high powered weaponry?&nbsp; sign me up. <p>no you would just be a combat marine. So you would have no knowledge of anything except were to run when they shoot at you.</p>

[SinA]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>SinA</strong> wrote:<br />so i, as an undocumented immigrant from syria, will be put in a position where i will have access to national secrets and learn how to use high powered weaponry?&nbsp; sign me up. <p>&quot;National secrets?&quot;</p><p>You sure about that one?</p><p>yup.</p>

[PapaBear]

Most of the immigrants around here work for around 10 bucks+ an hour, so they wouldn't make more in the military. Most of them have families, and I don't think their kids would make good soldiers. Not to mention, that food service would suck balls, as no Americans that are worth a damn, will cook for 50-60 hours a week at 10 bucks an&nbsp;hour.

[spoon]

PB hit a ton of my issues with this, and I'll add the language issue.&nbsp; I believe communication is a pretty big factor with the military, but perhaps I'm crazy.

[HeyGuy]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />PB hit a ton of my issues with this, and I'll add the language issue.&nbsp; I believe communication is a pretty big factor with the military, but perhaps I'm crazy. <p>that another reason this is a great idea. It will force them to learn english or die.</p>

[PapaBear]

<p>Lately, I've been thinking we should blame corporations for the language barrier with Hispanics. I've worked with a lot of Eastern Europeans over the last several years. They all learn English very quickly, because they have no choice. They can't pick up a bottle of shampoo at Wal Mart and read the Bulgarian instructions... only the English and Spanish.</p><p>Businesses are quick to add Spanish to products, signs, phone help lines, etc. because they know there are huge numbers of Spanish speaking people in the market place now. It makes good business sense for them to do so. Therefore, it's not as hard for a Spanish speaking person to get by in the US, as it is for other nationalities.</p><p>I don't think there is a way to fix this problem, though. You can't ban companies from reaching out to Hispanics. That would be wrong on many levels. I'm thinking (hoping), in about 10 to 20 years, things will smooth out. We just need to accept the fact that, our little part of the world is changing. It has always been changing. The sun still rises in the East and sets in the West. Feel free to bitch about the things that bother you on a daily basis, but learn to deal with it and move on.</p><p>It's the American way.</p>

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I saw Star Ship Troopers and... you lost me. <br />

[spoon]

<strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />PB hit a ton of my issues with this, and I'll add the language issue.&nbsp; I believe communication is a pretty big factor with the military, but perhaps I'm crazy. <p>that another reason this is a great idea. It will force them to learn english or die.</p><p>Awful and funny!&nbsp; Nice move chessmaster.</p>

[spoon]

<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Lately, I've been thinking we should blame corporations for the language barrier with Hispanics. I've worked with a lot of Eastern Europeans over the last several years. They all learn English very quickly, because they have no choice. They can't pick up a bottle of shampoo at Wal Mart and read the Bulgarian instructions... only the English and Spanish.</p><p>Businesses are quick to add Spanish to products, signs, phone help lines, etc. because they know there are huge numbers of Spanish speaking people in the market place now. It makes good business sense for them to do so. Therefore, it's not as hard for a Spanish speaking person to get by in the US, as it is for other nationalities.</p><p>I don't think there is a way to fix this problem, though. You can't ban companies from reaching out to Hispanics. That would be wrong on many levels. I'm thinking (hoping), in about 10 to 20 years, things will smooth out. We just need to accept the fact that, our little part of the world is changing. It has always been changing. The sun still rises in the East and sets in the West. Feel free to bitch about the things that bother you on a daily basis, but learn to deal with it and move on.</p><p>It's the American way.</p><p>The biggest way to control immigration is to fine companies, big and small, for hiring illegals.&nbsp; They should be required to have everything needed for a check on file and they'd only be exempt from fines if their paperwork was forged well enough to trick most employers.&nbsp; Also, if these companies want to hire someone with little english ability, they should have to add the benefit of english classes for these employees as well.&nbsp; Not sure how to enforce this w/o a test at some point, but it would really help even out the cost of employees of different backrounds and help them fit in better.&nbsp; It also bothers me when bus drivers in the city, on NJ Path buses and cabbies don't have a clue as to the english language.&nbsp; How the fuck did they get their DL?&nbsp; Does anyone at the DMV even talk to the mofos??&nbsp; It's a fucking joke since they navigate by color until they at least memorize a few important signs like yield!</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p>not bad</p><p>draft half the prison population and kill two birds</p>

[KC2OSO]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Lately, I've been thinking we should blame corporations for the language barrier with Hispanics. I've worked with a lot of Eastern Europeans over the last several years. They all learn English very quickly, because they have no choice. They can't pick up a bottle of shampoo at Wal Mart and read the Bulgarian instructions... only the English and Spanish.</p><p>Businesses are quick to add Spanish to products, signs, phone help lines, etc. because they know there are huge numbers of Spanish speaking people in the market place now. It makes good business sense for them to do so. Therefore, it's not as hard for a Spanish speaking person to get by in the US, as it is for other nationalities.</p><p>I don't think there is a way to fix this problem, though. You can't ban companies from reaching out to Hispanics. That would be wrong on many levels. I'm thinking (hoping), in about 10 to 20 years, things will smooth out. We just need to accept the fact that, our little part of the world is changing. It has always been changing. The sun still rises in the East and sets in the West. Feel free to bitch about the things that bother you on a daily basis, but learn to deal with it and move on.</p><p>It's the American way.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Shhhh!&nbsp; Someone may believe you. :o/<br /></p><p>YOU ARE THE PUNISHER ENABLER!&nbsp;</p>

[PapaBear]

<p>Also, if these companies want to hire someone with little english ability, they should have to add the benefit of english classes for these employees as well.</p><p>If you do that, then many locally owned small businesses would go under. They hire Central Americans because, they will do good work for a decent wage that the business can afford to pay. If Americans were willing to work their asses off for decent pay, then there would be no jobs for immigrants, and the problem of illegal immigration would go away.</p><p>Here's a small example of what I'm talking about...&nbsp; Not too long ago, American kids weren't coddled by their parents. If they wanted something, they had to go mow some lawns. In the past 10 to 20 years, these kids stopped being willing to do that. The combination of two working parent households, and a boom in retail jobs, made the need to mow lawns go away for these kids.</p><p>Now we have suburban families that need their lawns mowed. No kids will do it. Hey... there's a guy who was passing out fliers the other day that said they'd mow my lawn! They call the guy, and he sends the Hispanic guys in his employ to do it.</p><p>Face it. Americans are lazy now. That may not be a bad thing. We worked long and hard to be able to be this lazy. Now that we have achieved this wonderful life that we all have, we need to accept the fact that there are people out there who want to be as lazy as us, some day. Eventually, they'll all be successful, too. They'll hire the next needy group, to perpetuate their new success.</p><p>I'm a &quot;big picture&quot; kinda guy. And I have a lot of free time. Sorry for the crappy essay.</p>

[spoon]

Sorry, but that guy probably pays him illegal wages and keeps most of it for themselves.&nbsp; I don't buy the kids won't work bullshit bc I was one recently and all my peeps and I&nbsp;cut plenty of&nbsp;lawns and snow shoveling bc it just so happened their aren't any people willing to do it for nothing just to be here illegally.&nbsp; Chicken or the egg buddy.&nbsp; I say you're wrong in most cases.&nbsp;

[DJEvelEd]

<p>Let me read this and I'll get back to you:</p><p><img height="500" src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0312360037.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V59845579_.jpg" width="500" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>...well apparantly there's a state of emergency...a third world invasion and conquest of America even!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 8-23-06 @ 7:36 AM</span>

[Yerdaddy]

<p><br /></p><a href="http://www.visalaw.com/05mar5/2mar505.html" target="_blank">The ABC&rsquo;s of Immigration: Military Service</a> <p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>Are immigrants required to be available for military service?</strong></p><p>Since World War I, immigrants to the US have been required to be available for military service. Nonimmigrants, those people who are in the US for a temporary period of time, do not have this obligation, but permanent residents, refugees, parolees and even undocumented immigrants do. Registration is required upon reaching the age of 18 or before reaching the age of 26 if entering and taking up residence in the US when older than 18. During times of peace, however, only citizens and permanent residents may volunteer for military service. As with all male citizens born after 1959, permanent residents must register with Selective Services when they turn 18, or at the time that they obtain their permanent residency if they are under age 26. Those who obtain permanent residency after age 26 are not required to register. Failure to properly register could lead to criminal punishment, and can also lead to denial of future immigration or naturalization benefits. </p><strong>Can immigrants receive immigration benefits as a result of their military service?</strong> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>Just as failure to abide by the Selective Service laws can result in a denial of future benefits, performing military service can produce benefits. People who have served for a total of three years in the US military and who, if no longer in the military, were honorably discharged, are exempted from standard residency requirements if the naturalization application is filed while still in the military or within six months of discharge.</p><p>Immigrants who served on active duty during World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War and other military conflicts are also exempt from the residency requirements, and may be naturalized regardless of their age. Permanent residents who died while serving in the US military are eligible for posthumous naturalization if the application is filed no more than two years after their death. Immigrants on active duty are not deportable under a special agreement between USCIS and the Department of Defense. Moreover, in many of these cases, the immigrant is given the opportunity to seek naturalization before USCIS initiates deportation proceedings.</p><p>Finally, at many times in the past, ceremonies have been held to naturalize permanent resident military personnel before they were sent overseas. </p><p><br /><strong>Can people who lack green cards join the military?</strong> </p><p><br />While all immigrants &ndash; legal or undocumented, are obligated to register with Selective Service, it is actually pretty difficult to join the military if you lack a green card or are not a citizen or asylees. The military is not supposed to accept undocumented individuals (though we are aware of a number of cases where undocumented immigrants made it into the military anyway) and none of the branches sponsor individuals for non-immigrant or immigrant status (with some minor exceptions). </p><p>Whether Congress and the military will relax its position in the wake of falling recruiting numbers remains to be seen. </p><p><br /><a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/52699pb.htm" target="_blank">Testimony of Paul Bucha, President, Congressional Medal of Honor Society, Before the Subcommittee on Immigration, Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Concerning &ldquo;The Contribution of Immigrants to America&rsquo;s Armed Forces&rdquo;, May 26, 1999</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p>Let me state my position clearly: All of us owe our freedom and our prosperity to the sacrifices of immigrants who gave of themselves so that we might have more. We are fortunate and we are forever indebted to those who have gone before. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>[quote]A review of the records sho

[A.J.]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>not bad</p><p>draft half the prison population and kill two birds</p><p><img height="475" src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004RF9H.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" width="321" border="0" /></p>

[HeyGuy]

<p>I'm as liberal as they come. But I do feel in order to become an American or work in this country you should learn how to speak english. My family came here in the 30's from Italy and everyone of them learned english in a mater of a few years. I have no problem with people speaking spanish at home or whatever. But when you come into my place of business or vis versue I shouldnt be expected to speak anything but english. </p><p>My father never taught my brother and I Italian because he thought we should learn english first. I wish I knew both but it is more important to speak english in this country then any other.</p>

[ShelleBink]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm as liberal as they come. But I do feel in order to become an American or work in this country you should learn how to speak english. My family came here in the 30's from Italy and everyone of them learned english in a mater of a few years. I have no problem with people speaking spanish at home or whatever. But when you come into my place of business or vis versue I shouldnt be expected to speak anything but english. </p><p>My father never taught my brother and I Italian because he thought we should learn english first. I wish I knew both but it is more important to speak english in this country then any other.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That's the big difference these days.&nbsp; So many people immigrating are so concerned with preserving their culture.&nbsp; I'm all for preservation of culture, but why would you leave the country where that culture originates in order to live in another country?&nbsp; I know when my grandparents and great grandparents came to America, they did all that they could in order to become &quot;American.&quot;&nbsp; They changed their names, and learned English as fast as they could.&nbsp; <br /></p>

[Yerdaddy]

<strong>ShelleBink</strong> wrote:<br /><p>That's the big difference these days.&nbsp; So many people immigrating are so concerned with preserving their culture.&nbsp; I'm all for preservation of culture, <strong>but why would you leave the country where that culture originates in order to live in another country?</strong>&nbsp; I know when my grandparents and great grandparents came to America, they did all that they could in order to become &quot;American.&quot;&nbsp; They changed their names, and learned English as fast as they could.&nbsp; <br /></p><p>How many countries do you suppose have good cultures but shitty governments? </p><p>I never understood the view of picking one culture or another. Why? America doesn't know shit about the world, but we want to cut off one of the best sources of information - immigrants' experiences? Should we pass a law that Italian immigrants are not allowed to cook pasta, or Jamaicans can't smoke pot? What would that achieve? Would America be better or worse off?</p><p>I understand the language thing, but, seriously, how many immigrants really don't speak the language and aren't trying? Or is it that people just get pissed off because they have to make a little effort once in a while to understand someone's accent?&nbsp; I worked as a cahier for years in Northern California - probably one of&nbsp;the most multicultural populations in human history - and I actually had to deal with someone that spoke no English maybe once every couple of weeks. </p><p>I just don't see what the big deal is.</p>

[A.J.]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Should we pass a law that</strong> Italian immigrants are not allowed to cook pasta, <strong>or Jamaicans can't smoke pot?</strong> <p>I don't think ANYONE is allowed to smoke pot.</p>

[ShelleBink]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>ShelleBink</strong> wrote:<br /><p>That's the big difference these days. So many people immigrating are so concerned with preserving their culture. I'm all for preservation of culture, <strong>but why would you leave the country where that culture originates in order to live in another country?</strong> I know when my grandparents and great grandparents came to America, they did all that they could in order to become &quot;American.&quot; They changed their names, and learned English as fast as they could. <br /></p><p>How many countries do you suppose have good cultures but shitty governments? </p><p>I never understood the view of picking one culture or another. Why? America doesn't know shit about the world, but we want to cut off one of the best sources of information - immigrants' experiences? Should we pass a law that Italian immigrants are not allowed to cook pasta, or Jamaicans can't smoke pot? What would that achieve? Would America be better or worse off?</p><p>I understand the language thing, but, seriously, how many immigrants really don't speak the language and aren't trying? Or is it that people just get pissed off because they have to make a little effort once in a while to understand someone's accent? I worked as a <strong>cahier</strong> for years in Northern California - probably one of the most multicultural populations in human history - and I actually had to deal with someone that spoke no English maybe once every couple of weeks. </p><p>I just don't see what the big deal is.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You were the French word for notebook?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I didn't say anything about completely abandoning the individual's background or culture, but at least make some sacrifices to better function in your new land - just as millions upon millions of immigrants have done for over a century.&nbsp; Example: the language thing.&nbsp; While there is no 'official' language for America, history alone shows that English has been the dominant language since 1776.<br /></p><p>And its great that you lived in a multicultural population while in northern Ca.&nbsp; The county I grew up in ((and still technically live in, since my apartment is college-owned)) is one of the most diverse counties in the nation. &nbsp; I think its great, since I'm often around people from places than I'll never go to in this lifetime.&nbsp; But at the same time, this is where I live, and I'm decended from people who became what I consider &quot;American.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;Its a tricky debate, mostly because people get too sensitive over the matter.<br /></p>

[SatCam]

why don't we just build a wall?

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/specials/9904/nato.timeline/content/07.berlin.wall.jpg

[A.J.]

<p>&quot;Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If anything made by God can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.&quot;</p><p><img height="238" src="http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/28/images/wwii-patton.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p>what are they gonna do, cut the enemy down with weedwhackers and pelt them with oranges?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" /></p>

[HeyGuy]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>ShelleBink</strong> wrote:<br /><p>That's the big difference these days.&nbsp; So many people immigrating are so concerned with preserving their culture.&nbsp; I'm all for preservation of culture, <strong>but why would you leave the country where that culture originates in order to live in another country?</strong>&nbsp; I know when my grandparents and great grandparents came to America, they did all that they could in order to become &quot;American.&quot;&nbsp; They changed their names, and learned English as fast as they could.&nbsp; <br /></p><p>How many countries do you suppose have good cultures but shitty governments? </p><p>I never understood the view of picking one culture or another. Why? America doesn't know shit about the world, but we want to cut off one of the best sources of information - immigrants' experiences? Should we pass a law that Italian immigrants are not allowed to cook pasta, or Jamaicans can't smoke pot? What would that achieve? Would America be better or worse off?</p><p>I understand the language thing, but, seriously, how many immigrants really don't speak the language and aren't trying? Or is it that people just get pissed off because they have to make a little effort once in a while to understand someone's accent?&nbsp; I worked as a cahier for years in Northern California - probably one of&nbsp;the most multicultural populations in human history - and I actually had to deal with someone that spoke no English maybe once every couple of weeks. </p><p>I just don't see what the big deal is.</p><p>No one is saying they cant make a taco or keep their culture. All people say is learn English. I want them to keep their culture I love to see different culture other then italian. Its not a bad think it s a great thing. But every other immagrants learned english. The new immagrants of the past 10 years or so dont learn english (mostly spanish speaking nations) I just think come here bring your culture with you and let everyone learn and enjoy from it. But learn english first!</p>

[Bill From Yorktown]

<strong>SatCam</strong> wrote:<br />why don't we just build a wall? <img src="http://www.cnn.com/interactive/specials/9904/nato.timeline/content/07.berlin.wall.jpg" border="0" /> <p><span class="post_edited">Why not let the illeeegals build the wall, and then kick them out? (Joke).</span></p><p></p><p><span class="post_edited">Isnt there a difference between loving your culture (food, music, dance, language) and being an AMERICAN FIRST?&nbsp; We've lost sight of this, coddling people.&nbsp; You can have both.&nbsp; Learn english.&nbsp; Deal with it.</span></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bill From Yorktown on 8-23-06 @ 3:28 PM</span>

[DJEvelEd]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Should we pass a law that</strong> Italian immigrants are not allowed to cook pasta, <strong>or Jamaicans can't smoke pot?</strong> <p>I don't think ANYONE is allowed to smoke pot.</p><p><img src="http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123104/2133559/2138974/060424_MedEx_MedicalPotEX.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Only a select few...</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

How about the Hessians? Cant we just get them to fight for us? <br />

[narc]

Has Col. Carl Jenkins approved this yet?<br><p><img src="http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1997_Starship_Troopers/Thumb/997STS_Neil_Patrick_Harris_006.jpg"

[Ogre]

<strong>spoon</strong> wrote:<br />PB hit a ton of my issues with this, and I'll add the language issue.&nbsp; I believe communication is a pretty big factor with the military, but perhaps I'm crazy. <p>You are right on Spoon.&nbsp; The three basic functions that an Infantry soldier must have the ability to perform: 1) Shoot 2) Move and 3) Communicate.&nbsp; That was drilled into my head from day one. (After that marching in a straight line stuff).</p>

[furie]

this is a page right out of Rome's playbook. it didn't pan out too well for them. I don't think this'll work for US either.

[SatCam]

I think we should just conquer the world and then there would be no illegal immigration

[MadMatt]

<strong>ShelleBink</strong> wrote: <strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'm as liberal as they come. But I do feel in order to become an American or work in this country you should learn how to speak english. My family came here in the 30's from Italy and everyone of them learned english in a mater of a few years. I have no problem with people speaking spanish at home or whatever. But when you come into my place of business or vis versue I shouldnt be expected to speak anything but english. </p><p>My father never taught my brother and I Italian because he thought we should learn english first. I wish I knew both but it is more important to speak english in this country then any other.</p><p>That's the big difference these days.&nbsp; So many people immigrating are so concerned with preserving their culture.&nbsp; I'm all for preservation of culture, but why would you leave the country where that culture originates in order to live in another country?&nbsp; I know when my grandparents and great grandparents came to America, they did all that they could in order to become &quot;American.&quot;&nbsp; <strong>They changed their names,</strong> and learned English as fast as they could.&nbsp; <br /></p><p><font size="2">OK Shelle, so why did they choose the name Bink?</font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by MadMatt on 8-23-06 @ 5:26 PM</span>

[MadMatt]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br />How about the Hessians? Cant we just get them to fight for us? <br /><p><font size="2">This post made my history-lovin'-heart feel good.&nbsp; Bravo Sir!</font></p><p><img height="243" src="http://www.chaddsfordhistory.org/images/soldiers/hessian.jpg" width="148" border="0" /></p>

[CuzBum]

<strong>MadMatt</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br />How about the Hessians? Cant we just get them to fight for us? <br /><p><font size="2">This post made my history-lovin'-heart feel good.&nbsp; Bravo Sir!</font></p><p><img height="243" src="http://www.chaddsfordhistory.org/images/soldiers/hessian.jpg" width="148" border="0" /></p><p>I don't know about the Hessians, they tend to drink heavily on Christmas and get their asses handed to them by land surveyors from Virginia.</p>

[UnknownPD]

<p>I don't know about the Hessians, they tend to drink heavily on Christmas and get their asses handed to them by land surveyors from Virginia</p><p>Kind of like what's happening to us now</p>