JESUS CHRST!!Did the mayor of N.O. just say that?? [Archive]

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 07:24 AM

SilentSpic wrote:  During the CBS "60 minutes" interview, a correspondent pointed out flood-damaged cars still on the streets of New Orleans' devastated Ninth Ward. Nagin replied, "You guys in New York can't get a hole in the ground fixed, and it's five years later. So let's be fair," according to CBS. I don't see anything wrong with that quote. He's telling the truth. The only difference is the way our people died.   Slight problem - how many people in N.O. died total due to Katrina compared to 9/11? How many of those people died because of the miscommunication by state and local government, as opposed to what FEMA did? How many millions of dollars were doled out to help them relocate?  It's not like we completely ignored the problem.  Shit was blown up because how FEMA handled it, and of course, everyone blamed Bush.  But there were much bigger, glossed over problems on the state and local levels.  Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now.  There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding.  How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero?  A year?

Doctor Manhattan

08-25-2006, 07:43 AM

Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now.  There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding.  How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero?  A year?Well, I think he was referring to the delay in rebuilding WTC. He didn't say "the hole in the ground" was not cleaned up after 5 years, he said "fixed" which I think would mean rebuilt. He was responding to criticism about the delay in rebuilding N.O. so I think he has a good point, but not very politically worded.God forbid someone in office just say what's on their mind. Good or Bad, it's refreshing to see.

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 07:51 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote:  Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now. There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding. How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero? A year? Well, I think he was referring to the delay in rebuilding WTC. He didn't say "the hole in the ground" was not cleaned up after 5 years, he said "fixed" which I think would mean rebuilt. He was responding to criticism about the delay in rebuilding N.O. so I think he has a good point, but not very politically worded.God forbid someone in office just say what's on their mind. Good or Bad, it's refreshing to see.   Yes, but he was being called out on clean-up, not rebuilding, which is a distinct difference.

ShelleBink

08-25-2006, 08:14 AM

Considering NYC is the "Big Apple," I think he's just bitter he can't get his "<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/17/nagin.city/" target="_blank">chocolate city</a>" idea off the ground...

JimBeam

08-25-2006, 08:17 AM

I don't find it to be terribly offensive.It's not like he was slighting or even demeaning how the hole got there but more pointing to the fact that there are complications in matters like this.I don't think you can start comparing tragedies.

Doctor Manhattan

08-25-2006, 08:23 AM

Yes, but he was being called out on clean-up, not rebuilding, which is a distinct difference.Sure, but you have to clean up before you rebuild. Give N.O. another 5 years.I imagine it takes a lot longer to clean up a city than it did to clean up Ground Zero, despite the type of damage suffered at WTC. His point is that stuff takes time, even if the comparision isn't correct (clean up vs. rebuild) he still has a point, it's been way too long at WTC.

UnknownPD

08-25-2006, 08:25 AM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now. There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding. How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero? A year? Well, I think he was referring to the delay in rebuilding WTC. He didn't say "the hole in the ground" was not cleaned up after 5 years, he said "fixed" which I think would mean rebuilt. He was responding to criticism about the delay in rebuilding N.O. so I think he has a good point, but not very politically worded.God forbid someone in office just say what's on their mind. Good or Bad, it's refreshing to see.Yes, but he was being called out on clean-up, not rebuilding, which is a distinct difference.   EXACTLY...all the guy's got to do is clean up thousands of square miles in one of the poorest parts of the country. How dare he compare that to the inability to rebuild a couple of buildings in the heart of the world's financial center?

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 8-25-06 @ 12:26 PM

narc

08-25-2006, 08:28 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">ShelleBink wrote: Considering NYC is the "Big Apple," I think he's just bitter he can't get his "<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/17/nagin.city/" target="_blank">chocolate city</a>" idea off the ground... <hr color="cococo" align="left">
I'm still mad he tried to usurp the "Chocolate City" title from DC.

grandzu

08-25-2006, 08:51 AM

He is comparing clean up and rebuilding of AN ENTIRE CITY to the lack of rebuilding progress at Ground Zero of 16 acres.  I think he has a valid point.

HeyGuy

08-25-2006, 08:57 AM

UnknownPD wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now. There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding. How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero? A year? Well, I think he was referring to the delay in rebuilding WTC. He didn't say "the hole in the ground" was not cleaned up after 5 years, he said "fixed" which I think would mean rebuilt. He was responding to criticism about the delay in rebuilding N.O. so I think he has a good point, but not very politically worded.God forbid someone in office just say what's on their mind. Good or Bad, it's refreshing to see.Yes, but he was being called out on clean-up, not rebuilding, which is a distinct difference.   EXACTLY...all the guy's got to do is clean up thousands of square miles in one of the poorest parts of the country. How dare he compare that to the inability to rebuild a couple of buildings in the heart of the world's financial center?This message was edited by UnknownPD on 8-25-06 @ 12:26 PM Ground zero only took a year true but New Orleans has a huge area to clean up, rebuild and still has levies to fix to make sure it doesnt happen again. I would say New Orleans has a lot more to do then the WTC did or will. As for the death comparisons, does it really matter who had more? No they were both bad. What made me sick about Katrina was we had a chance to get people out while they were still alive and it took days to get to some people in their homes. With all the boats and helicopters etc no one should have had to wait days to be rescued. You can say what you want about the Mayor but the Federal Govt should have responded a hell of a lot quicker.I have no problem with what he said. He is 100% right to say it. Shit I dont understand what is taking so long for us to start the rebuild of the WTC and I hate the design. Rebuild what fell. The Twin towers ere beautiful and should be rebuilt exactly the same way.

FUNKMAN

08-25-2006, 09:01 AM

this guy needs this kind of publicity like he needs a hole in the head...i don't believe he meant disrespect to the people who died, only to the powers-that-be who are making sure they make the right financial decision

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 09:43 AM

UnknownPD wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now. There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding. How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero? A year? Well, I think he was referring to the delay in rebuilding WTC. He didn't say "the hole in the ground" was not cleaned up after 5 years, he said "fixed" which I think would mean rebuilt. He was responding to criticism about the delay in rebuilding N.O. so I think he has a good point, but not very politically worded.God forbid someone in office just say what's on their mind. Good or Bad, it's refreshing to see.Yes, but he was being called out on clean-up, not rebuilding, which is a distinct difference. EXACTLY...all the guy's got to do is clean up thousands of square miles in one of the poorest parts of the country. How dare he compare that to the inability to rebuild a couple of buildings in the heart of the world's financial center?

     Do you have any idea the kind of money the government is pumping into the area to get the area cleaned up?  Don't pull the "poorest parts of the country".  As for "thousands of square miles", there's a lot of areas of N.O. that are operational.  But the ninth ward, which needs the most work, has barely been touched. Plus, the WTC was an immense amount of steel and infrastructure that had to be salvaged and cleared out.  The distance comparison doesn't work, because it was very concentrated at WTC, while it's not in NO.  Nagin has NEVER presented himself as a good manager.  He should have never brought it up.  He's been called out on inappropriate sound bites before.

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 09:47 AM

And for the record: This isn't about which is worse, WTC or NOLA.  The bigger problem this illustrates is the inept attitude of Mayor Nagin by even thinking about comparing 9/11 to this.

undressa

08-25-2006, 09:48 AM

I don't like him!!!!

GwEnYpOo

08-25-2006, 09:58 AM

what a cock wizard by the tenbats , i love your sig with the guy with the scissors . its so creepy.

radeon1921

08-25-2006, 10:09 AM

GwEnYpOo wrote: what a cock wizard  aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh u said the word of the day the mayor sould be pissed at the goverment for not helping the city rebuild

HeyGuy

08-25-2006, 10:22 AM

Plus, the WTC was an immense amount of steel and infrastructure that had to be salvaged and cleared out.  The distance comparison doesn't work, because it was very concentrated at WTC, while it's not in NO.  Not salvaged. The world trade center remains were taken from the site and disposed of. No one was even able to review the mess or steel. That is what a lot of the cover up people say is a good reason to believe there was a caver up. I dont know. But NOLA was a much harder clean up then wtc. You can compare 18 acres to hundreds of square miles and rebuilding levies asap are more important then the clean up.

Doctor Manhattan

08-25-2006, 10:30 AM

CampoNJ wrote:   Plus, the WTC was an immense amount of steel and infrastructure that had to be salvaged and cleared out.  The distance comparison doesn't work, because it was very concentrated at WTC, while it's not in NO.  Not salvaged. The world trade center remains were taken from the site and disposed of. No one was even able to review the mess or steel. That is what a lot of the cover up people say is a good reason to believe there was a caver up. I dont know. But NOLA was a much harder clean up then wtc. You can compare 18 acres to hundreds of square miles and rebuilding levies asap are more important then the clean up.So all they have to do it get some trucks and move all the mess to another location, I vote Tyler, TX

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 10:31 AM

CampoNJ wrote: Plus, the WTC was an immense amount of steel and infrastructure that had to be salvaged and cleared out. The distance comparison doesn't work, because it was very concentrated at WTC, while it's not in NO. Not salvaged. The world trade center remains were taken from the site and disposed of. No one was even able to review the mess or steel. That is what a lot of the cover up people say is a good reason to believe there was a caver up. I dont know. But NOLA was a much harder clean up then wtc. You can compare 18 acres to hundreds of square miles and rebuilding levies asap are more important then the clean up.   Poor choice of wording, BUT I thought some steel from the WTC was used in new battleships. And again, using the place where 3000 people died by calling it a "hole in the ground" shows a ton of tact on the Mayor's part.

Judge Smails

08-25-2006, 10:41 AM

CampoNJ wrote: Not salvaged. The world trade center remains were taken from the site and disposed of. No one was even able to review the mess or steel. That is what a lot of the cover up people say is a good reason to believe there was a caver up.  That's just another one of those wacky conspiracy theories.  <a href="http://wasteage.com/news/waste_tons_world_trade/" target="_self">60,000 tons of steel was sent overseas for recyling</a>.At least another 24,000 tons is being used to build the USS New York.  And I'm sure there's more that's being used.  There are a lot of towns around me with memorials that incorporate some steel from the WTC. <img src="http://www.amny.com/media/photo/2006-04/22760930.jpg" border="0" />

A.J.

08-25-2006, 10:43 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Poor choice of wording, BUT I thought some steel from the WTC was used in new battleships.'Twas.  But we don't make battleships anymore.  It's for the under-contruction LPD <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(LPD-21)" target="_self">USS New York</a>.Ah the Judge beat me to it.

This message was edited by A.J. on 8-25-06 @ 2:44 PM

UnknownPD

08-25-2006, 11:02 AM

This isn't about which is worse, WTC or NOLA.  The bigger problem this illustrates is the inept attitude of Mayor Nagin by even thinking about comparing 9/11 to this.  Inept by pointing out that we've had five years to get the WTC site together and haven't? Whatever else Nagin is he's right on this one.

patsopinion

08-25-2006, 11:03 AM

it seems like nagan is always fucking upthis dude cant help but say stupid shit constantly.Between
nagan, their aftrican american congress lady (or senator i forgot what
that crazy bitch was) the publicity of black violence/theft before
during and after the ordeal, this has set black people back 15 years.Ubama needs to go down there and show them how an intelligent person conducts themselfs.(I DONT HATE BLACK PEOPLE(although this post may make me look like it)

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 11:12 AM

UnknownPD wrote:  This isn't about which is worse, WTC or NOLA. The bigger problem this illustrates is the inept attitude of Mayor Nagin by even thinking about comparing 9/11 to this.  Inept by pointing out that we've had five years to get the WTC site together and haven't? Whatever else Nagin is he's right on this one.   No, inept in the fact that he's a public figure and using an extremely poor choice of words in a public interview.  He was trying deflect criticism of his own problems by comparing it to an unrelated situation. It's like the Ford Pinto catching on fire and the CEO of Ford saying, "But hey, Chevy Vegas roll over a lot."

Furtherman

08-25-2006, 11:15 AM

His city was pretty much shit on by all levels of government.  He's allowed to vent a little anger.

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 11:18 AM

Furtherman wrote: His city was pretty much shit on by all levels of government. He's allowed to vent a little anger.   Call a spade a spade.  I love how the Fed side gets shit on, but Madame Governor was just as responsible for a lot of clusterfuck shit that went down.   It really astounded me the amount of hell FEMA and Bush caught for this when the Mayor's inneptness and the Governor's unwillingness and lack of communication started a domino effect.

A.J.

08-25-2006, 11:28 AM

Remember all those school buses you saw stuck in the water?  I maintain that had it been Election Day they all would have been put into service to get people to the polls.  Nagin had warning that the storm was coming. I distinctly remember him saying to citizens "if you stay, you're on your own".  Then he goes and rails at the Federal government for his citizens dying.  He should have taken some lessons from Giuliani who had NO warning of the tragedy he was to deal with yet was able to effectively lead and utilize municipal departments and services.I should be surprised at how little people understand how the Federal system of government operates but given our school systems I'm not.

This message was edited by A.J. on 8-25-06 @ 3:28 PM

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 11:36 AM

Let me illustrate something for everyone. In this situation, Bush is the guy that controls the purse strings, and that's it.  All you have to do is come to him and say, "we have a problem", and he supplies the manpower and the money, but that's it.  He's not a manager for this type of situation, just a "gatekeeper".  It's not his responsible to take over the day-to-day management of the situation, just provide the money and let the underlings (in this case, state and local government) to take care of the problem. The same thing happened during 9/11.  Bush was dealing with the bigger picture, while Giuliani and Pataki were taking care of all the problems in the city.  It was up to Michael Brown, Blanco, and Nagin to get their shit together with all the aid that was coming in.  Brown failed miserably which is why he took the hit, but somehow, Blanco and Nagin did a MUCH worse job and they still have their jobs, fucking A, Nagin got re-elected for Christ's sake.

Judge Smails

08-25-2006, 11:37 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Call a spade a spade.   <img height="253" src="http://www.alvarezgtr.com/images/artists/ani_difranco.jpg" width="234" border="0" />and i told you i wouldn't hold you down i would only make you happy and i wouldn't let you drown now you say you're submerged in me well i'm out here writing dirges can't you see i need to be free?

Furtherman

08-25-2006, 11:44 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: The same thing happened during 9/11.  Bush was dealing with the bigger picture,Oh yea, the picture of the goat. <img height="291" src="http://fixco1.com/Mypetgoat.jpg" width="352" border="0" />

UnknownPD

08-25-2006, 12:06 PM

mmmm...goat<img title="Homer" height="107" alt="Homer" src="http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Homer.jpg" width="80" border="0" />

narc

08-25-2006, 12:42 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">GwEnYpOo wrote: what a cock wizard by the tenbats , i love your sig with the guy with the scissors . its so creepy.<hr color="cococo" align="left">
It's not creepy in context. He's about to die because he's running with them.

MadMatt

08-25-2006, 12:44 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me illustrate something for everyone.In this situation, Bush is the guy that controls the purse strings, and that's it.  All you have to do is come to him and say, "we have a problem", and he supplies the manpower and the money, but that's it.  He's not a manager for this type of situation, just a "gatekeeper".  It's not his responsible to take over the day-to-day management of the situation, just provide the money and let the underlings (in this case, state and local government) to take care of the problem.The same thing happened during 9/11.  Bush was dealing with the bigger picture, while Giuliani and Pataki were taking care of all the problems in the city. It was up to Michael Brown, Blanco, and Nagin to get their shit together with all the aid that was coming in.  Brown failed miserably which is why he took the hit, but somehow, Blanco and Nagin did a MUCH worse job and they still have their jobs, fucking A, Nagin got re-elected for Christ's sake.Quoted for Truth.However, I also think Michael Brown may have gotten the shaft in regards to the overall f-up.  If you have seen the video RE: Pres. Bush being briefed before Katrina, Brown says straight out (and I have to paraphrase here) "We are not properly prepared for this storm." and "I think there are going to be problems with the state and local government in LA."  [I'll provide the exact quotes later if I can find them]He may have been more of a fall guy than than anything.

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 12:52 PM

narc wrote: GwEnYpOo wrote: what a cock wizard by the tenbats , i love your sig with the guy with the scissors . its so creepy. 
It's not creepy in context. He's about to die because he's running with them.    Gas.  The silent killer.

UnknownPD

08-25-2006, 01:36 PM

"You guys in New York can't get a hole in the ground fixed, and it's five years later. So let's be fair," Seems like an appropriate comparison. Both suffered from disasters and both have been the victims of political ineptitude. What Nagan was pointing out is that its not easy and his city is certainly not the only one to suffer from failue. And before you start assigining blame and suggesting how Nagan has money coming out his ass you might want to see how much he has control over. You also might want to consider that the measure of recovery may not be how many cars are cleaned off the road.

Tenbatsuzen

08-25-2006, 02:03 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">UnknownPD wrote: <hr color="cococo" align="left">"You guys in New York can't get a hole in the ground fixed, and it's five years later. So let's be fair," <hr color="cococo" align="left">Seems like an appropriate comparison. Both suffered from disasters and both have been the victims of political ineptitude. What Nagan was pointing out is that its not easy and his city is certainly not the only one to suffer from failue. And before you start assigining blame and suggesting how Nagan has money coming out his ass you might want to see how much he has control over. You also might want to consider that the measure of recovery may not be how many cars are cleaned off the road.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Again - see the comparison of the Ford CEO deflecting criticism from his product issues by blaming Chevy.

HeyGuy

08-25-2006, 02:14 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Furtherman wrote: His city was pretty much shit on by all levels of government. He's allowed to vent a little anger.    Call a spade a spade.  I love how the Fed side gets shit on, but Madame Governor was just as responsible for a lot of clusterfuck shit that went down.   It really astounded me the amount of hell FEMA and Bush caught for this when the Mayor's inneptness and the Governor's unwillingness and lack of communication started a domino effect.    Did you watch any news last night? Reports that have now been released and aired all over tv news and even Faux news stated that the GOV of LA was actually the only one who did things right. I will look for video or an article but I seen it last night on ABC, CNN and even Faux news. On Faux News they had a round table talking about this and they were very appologetic (SP?) towards the GOV and admited after the reports she did what she was suppose to do.

HBox

08-25-2006, 02:19 PM

CampoNJ wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Furtherman wrote: His city was pretty much shit on by all levels of government. He's allowed to vent a little anger. Call a spade a spade. I love how the Fed side gets shit on, but Madame Governor was just as responsible for a lot of clusterfuck shit that went down. It really astounded me the amount of hell FEMA and Bush caught for this when the Mayor's inneptness and the Governor's unwillingness and lack of communication started a domino effect. Did you watch any news last night? Reports that have now been released and aired all over tv news and even Faux news stated that the GOV of LA was actually the only one who did things right. I will look for video or an article but I seen it last night on ABC, CNN and even Faux news. On Faux News[/b] they had a round table talking about this and they were very appologetic (SP?) towards the GOV and admited after the reports she did what she was suppose to do. Please. Just stop. It's not funny, it's not witty, it's not insightful and the only point you are making is that you are a hack. 

This message was edited by HBox on 8-25-06 @ 6:19 PM

sr71blackbird

08-25-2006, 03:10 PM

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high fly

08-26-2006, 11:14 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: So all they have to do it get some trucks and move all the mess to another location, I vote Tyler, TXThere's an 1,800 acre ranch outside of Crawford that is being used to raise nothing but brush. What a waste of good space.AND the homeowner is hardly ever there (except when he's hiding from another national emergency).

This message was edited by high fly on 8-27-06 @ 3:16 AM

A.J.

08-28-2006, 03:53 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me illustrate something for everyone. In this situation, Bush is the guy that controls the purse strings, and that's it.  All you have to do is come to him and say, "we have a problem", and he supplies the manpower and the money, but that's it.  He's not a manager for this type of situation, just a "gatekeeper".  It's not his responsible to take over the day-to-day management of the situation, just provide the money and let the underlings (in this case, state and local government) to take care of the problem.Actually, that's Congress' job to give out the money as per Article I, Section 8 of the Contitution.

A.J.

08-28-2006, 03:55 AM

high fly wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: So all they have to do it get some trucks and move all the mess to another location, I vote Tyler, TXThere's an 1,800 acre ranch outside of Crawford that is being used to raise nothing but brush. What a waste of good space.AND the homeowner is hardly ever there (except when he's hiding from another national emergency).This message was edited by high fly on 8-27-06 @ 3:16 AM You mean the spread that Cindy Sheehan bought there?

Justice4all

08-28-2006, 12:13 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Also, the "hole in the ground" is basically a vacant lot right now.  There's a difference between CLEANUP and rebuilding.  How much time did it take to completely clean up ground zero?  A year? Actually less then a year. If I recall it took only 9 months to clean up the immediate area around WTC. Most of that was due to the amazingly (and VERY Uncharacteristic) clear weather we had for 4 monts following. And again, using the place where 3000 people died by calling it a "hole in the ground" shows a ton of tact on the Mayor's part. Not just died Tenbats....Murdered. The problem I have with his quote is on several levels.#1. The fact the he took an area where over 3000 people were killed and turned it into something trivial was amazing. Yes I do understand people are STILL coming to him about why N.O. still looks like the hurricane hit just last week. But if he got off of his ass and did something with the Gov. instead of butting heads with each other maybe it would not look so bad.The question was posed because there's still alot of damage that should have been taken care of by now (such as flooded out cars and wrecks from damaged homes in the street). #2. Do not compare something that happened by an act of nature and was not in anyones hands to avoid vs. the insane actions of extreme fundimentalists. (the operative part of that word being MENTAL) If a building is destroyed because of a tornado or an earthquake it is tragic. We mourn the losses if there is any and rebuild in the hopes that it does not happen again. If a building is destroyed because someone blew it up and took out hundreds of people with him, it is horrific and not only do you figure out IF you should rebuild but take care on what you put back on that site. What the WTC is now is a memorial AND an impromptu cemetary. you HAVE to handle that site with care.#3. This guy seems to be irritated that people are still coming to him about the hurricane. His attitude seems to be "ENOUGH already". If he can't handle the heat....don't try to take it out on someone else.AJ:Nagin had warning that the storm was coming. I distinctly remember him saying to citizens "if you stay, you're on your own".  Then he goes and rails at the Federal government for his citizens dying. Amen! At least this guy HAD warning. And let's not forget that when they packed these people in the Superdome (really brilliant idea there) that there were several RAPES that occured while every one was packed in like rats.    What happened in both areas was tragic to say the least but he seriously needs to gain some perspective on things.

spoon

08-28-2006, 11:52 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  UnknownPD wrote:  This isn't about which is worse, WTC or NOLA. The bigger problem this illustrates is the inept attitude of Mayor Nagin by even thinking about comparing 9/11 to this.  Inept by pointing out that we've had five years to get the WTC site together and haven't? Whatever else Nagin is he's right on this one.   No, inept in the fact that he's a public figure and using an extremely poor choice of words in a public interview.  He was trying deflect criticism of his own problems by comparing it to an unrelated situation. It's like the Ford Pinto catching on fire and the CEO of Ford saying, "But hey, Chevy Vegas roll over a lot."    That's a great way to sum it up.  He really is an ass, not just Bush.

Doogie

08-29-2006, 04:53 AM

#1. The fact the he took an area where over 3000 people were killed and turned it into something trivial was amazing.He didnt trivialize it, but rather made a tactless comment. A truthful tactless coment. And one that should open the eyes of this nation to how unprepared we are in this nation to deal with disasters from a civilian perspective. When you look at things, many of the great projects undertaken to repair areas are done by military organizations (army corps of engineers, etc) and not really undertaken by great civilian organizations. To me it is alarming hwo ill prepared as citizens we are to handling and fixing disasters.

Jujubees2

08-29-2006, 05:08 AM

Amen! At least this guy HAD warning. And let's not forget that when they packed these people in the Superdome (really brilliant idea there) that there were several RAPES that occured while every one was packed in like rats. Hey, Bush had warnings about 911 too.  He was briefed that bin laden was looking to use airplanes to attack the U.S. while he was on his month-long vacation on his "ranch" but did nothing about it.

HeyGuy

08-29-2006, 08:08 AM

HBox wrote:  CampoNJ wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  Furtherman wrote: His city was pretty much shit on by all levels of government. He's allowed to vent a little anger.    Call a spade a spade. I love how the Fed side gets shit on, but Madame Governor was just as responsible for a lot of clusterfuck shit that went down.  It really astounded me the amount of hell FEMA and Bush caught for this when the Mayor's inneptness and the Governor's unwillingness and lack of communication started a domino effect.    Did you watch any news last night? Reports that have now been released and aired all over tv news and even Faux news stated that the GOV of LA was actually the only one who did things right. I will look for video or an article but I seen it last night on ABC, CNN and even Faux news. On Faux News they had a round table talking about this and they were very appologetic (SP?) towards the GOV and admited after the reports she did what she was suppose to do.Please. Just stop. It's not funny, it's not witty, it's not insightful and the only point you are making is that you are a hack. This message was edited by HBox on 8-25-06 @ 6:19 PM I will call it whatever I want to call it. If you dont like it, dont read it. Its not meant to be funny, witty or insightful. It is what it is FAUX NEWS

A.J.

08-29-2006, 08:23 AM

Jujubees2 wrote:   Amen! At least this guy HAD warning. And let's not forget that when they packed these people in the Superdome (really brilliant idea there) that there were several RAPES that occured while every one was packed in like rats. Hey, Bush had warnings about 911 too.  He was briefed that bin laden was looking to use airplanes to attack the U.S. while he was on his month-long vacation on his "ranch" but did nothing about it.Yes because some random Tomahawk missile strikes in Afghanistan seemed to work wonders in the past.  We get warnings about potential dirty bombs.  So how do we prevent that?

boeman

08-29-2006, 06:54 PM

The way I see it, the whole issue is he's more worried about rebuilding the city for tourism than he is cleaning up the city and rebuilding for residents...The order of this should be 1) Clean up and fix the levies 2) Rebuild 3) Get tourists.

phixion

08-30-2006, 12:59 PM

using the place where 3000 people died by calling it a "hole in the ground" shows a ton of tact on the Mayor's part.keep in mind new orleans has a stadium built over a cemetary and they call it the 'super'dome not much tact there

NortonRules

08-30-2006, 01:20 PM

This is coming from a racist who ignored a hurricane coming at his below-sea-level city, refused to evacuate 'his people', then blamed white people afterwards.  You can't expect anything intelligent to come out of his mouth.  Rebuilding the WTC isn't urgent.  I think rebuilding a city is a little more important.

NortonRules

08-30-2006, 01:26 PM

Hey CampoNJ (Hack),How about SeeBS?  Get it?  (CBS - see bullshit?)  HAHAHAHA so funny.  you should use it!

HeyGuy

08-30-2006, 09:36 PM

NortonRules wrote: This is coming from a racist who ignored a hurricane coming at his below-sea-level city, refused to evacuate 'his people', then blamed white people afterwards.  You can't expect anything intelligent to come out of his mouth.  Rebuilding the WTC isn't urgent.  I think rebuilding a city is a little more important.Sounds to me like your the racist. Maybe you should watch something that gives you actual info. He knew about the hurricane and did warn and evacute his people. He was on every local TV station telling people to leave the city. After the reports came out it has been proven that Gov Blanco and Nagin made some mistakes but for the most part did what they were suppose to do. It has also been proven that The Federal Gvt was too slow in responding and couldnt handle the situation. When did he blame White people? He blamed all people in the white house. Rebuilding the city is more important. But it a thousand sq miles with little to no help. Watch the doc When the levees broke. You will see exactly what happened. Oh wait a black man made the doc so it wont be true! I know thats coming.

This message was edited by CampoNJ on 8-31-06 @ 1:41 AM

Tenbatsuzen

08-31-2006, 03:50 AM

CampoNJ wrote:Sounds to me like your the racist. Maybe you should watch something that gives you actual info. He knew about the hurricane and did warn and evacute his people. He was on every local TV station telling people to leave the city. After the reports came out it has been proven that Gov Blanco and Nagin made some mistakes but for the most part did what they were suppose to do. It has also been proven that The Federal Gvt was too slow in responding and couldnt handle the situation. When did he blame White people? He blamed all people in the white house. Rebuilding the city is more important. But it a thousand sq miles with little to no help. Watch the doc When the levees broke. You will see exactly what happened. Oh wait a black man made the doc so it wont be true! I know thats coming.

This message was edited by CampoNJ on 8-31-06 @ 1:41 AM   I want cites where it's proven that the Fed gov. fucked up and Blanco and Nagin did everything right. "Little to no help"?  Nagin has the national guard, and FEMA money at his disposal.  It's not like Nagin is driving the Sanford and Son pickup truck, doing a one-man cleanup. You have to clean up before you can rebuild.   And documentaries aren't news.  Every documentary, from Supersize Me to Nanook of the North can be skewed and have staged elements.