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Judge Smails

09-11-2006, 05:41 PM

I came across this <a href="http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=233961&ak=null" target="_self">LINK</a> at the Drudge Report site.  It's a forty-three minute documentary. I'm not sure if it may have been discussed already on the board or if it may be brand new to some people.  I just found it really interesting.  I know that Ron Silver is supposed to be one of the few right wingers in Hollywood but it's still an interesting video.

TheMojoPin

09-11-2006, 05:52 PM

I honestly don't understand what the point of this was...plenty of people in the Middle East were horrified by 9/11, and plenty thought it was something positive or has nutty conspiracy theories about it...is this really news?  Who didn't know this?  It's a larger scale of a dichotomy there, but you've got the same types of reactions all over the world, even here in the US.I'm especially baffled as to why it looked like Castro was in the opening montage.

Judge Smails

09-11-2006, 06:01 PM

I found it interesting how Arab news organizations like Al Jazerra are reporting nutty conspiracy theories as fact, forget about even just mentioning that it was a theory among others.  Bin Laden pretty much admitted he planned and carried out the attacks, but Arabs are being told on the news how the Mossad planned it all. How jews were warned ahead of time to get out of the buildings etc etc.  And this is only one of the nutty comments that are apparently diseminated to the masses.You can say what you want about CNN and FOX but no one can claim that they are spreading out and out lies to the extent of the Arab media.  If the public there is being fed this crap on a daily basis, and led to believe its the truth, who can blame them for hating us.

angrymissy

09-11-2006, 06:17 PM

<a href="http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm" target="_self">Scholars of Islam speak out against terrorism</a>

TheMojoPin

09-11-2006, 06:24 PM

Judge Smails wrote: I found it interesting how Arab news organizations like Al Jazerra are reporting nutty conspiracy theories as fact, forget about even just mentioning that it was a theory among others.  Bin Laden pretty much admitted he planned and carried out the attacks, but Arabs are being told on the news how the Mossad planned it all. How jews were warned ahead of time to get out of the buildings etc etc.  And this is only one of the nutty comments that are apparently diseminated to the masses.You can say what you want about CNN and FOX but no one can claim that they are spreading out and out lies to the extent of the Arab media.  If the public there is being fed this crap on a daily basis, and led to believe its the truth, who can blame them for hating us. The ironic thing is that muslim extremist and fundamentalist groups tend to absolutely hate Al Jazeera.

Judge Smails

09-11-2006, 06:27 PM

angrymissy wrote: <a href="http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm" target="_self">Scholars of Islam speak out against terrorism</a> That's great to see.  But, do you think that a lot of the Red State phone callers, that Ron seems to be so fond of, are reading very many scholarly journals printed in this country?  I'm sure that the pecentage is similar on "the arab street".  If there is a central conspiracy theory its that the powers that be on both sides are fomenting this hatred.

angrymissy

09-11-2006, 06:32 PM

Judge Smails wrote: angrymissy wrote: <a href="http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm" target="_self">Scholars of Islam speak out against terrorism</a> That's great to see.  But, do you think that a lot of the Red State phone callers, that Ron seems to be so fond of, are reading very many scholarly journals printed in this country?  I'm sure that the pecentage is similar on "the arab street".  If there is a central conspiracy theory its that the powers that be on both sides are fomenting this hatred.It's really easy to find by simply googling Muslim Reaction to 9/11

CuzBum

09-11-2006, 06:48 PM

But, do you think that a lot of the Red State phone callers, that Ron seems to be so fond of, are reading very many scholarly journals printed in this country?Especially if they are five years old.

Yerdaddy

09-12-2006, 05:39 AM

I assume everyone who watches this wants to know the sources of it and their biases.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMRI" target="_self">MEMRI</a>The Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI for short, is a Middle East press monitoring organization located in <a title="Washington DC" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Washington_DC">Washington DC</a>, with branch offices in <a title="Jerusalem" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Jerusalem">Jerusalem</a>, <a title="Berlin" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Berlin">Berlin</a>, <a title="London" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/London">London</a>, and <a title="Tokyo" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Tokyo">Tokyo</a>. [No offices actually in the Middle East.] It provides translations of Arabic and Farsi media as well as original analyses of political, ideological, intellectual, social, cultural, and religious trends in the Middle East.MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president <a title="Yigal Carmon" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Yigal_Carmon">Yigal Carmon</a>, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser.Click the links on the funders and leaders of the organization and you'll see this is a pro-Israel right-wing organization and not an objective source on the Middle East.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Silver" target="_blank">Ron Silver</a>In 2000 he cofounded the organisation <a title="One Jerusalem" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/One_Jerusalem">One Jerusalem</a> to defend against the Oslo Peace Agreement. Its cause is "maintaining a united <a title="Jerusalem" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Jerusalem">Jerusalem</a> as the undivided capital of <a title="Israel" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Israel">Israel</a>."<a title="http://www.onejerusalem.org/statement.asp" href="http://www.onejerusalem.org/statement.asp">[1]</a>Silver, once a <a title="United States Democratic Party" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Democratic_Party">Democrat</a>, has recently been an outspoken supporter for President <a title="George W. Bush" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/George_W._Bush">George W. Bush</a>, citing the <a title="September 11, 2001 attacks" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks">September 11, 2001 attacks</a> and the Democrats' policies regarding <a title="Terrorism" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Terrorism">terrorism</a> as his reasons for switching parties. He spoke at the United States <a title="2004 Republican National Convention" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2004_Republican_National_Convention">Republican Convention</a> in <a title="2004" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2004">2004</a>, and has continued to staunchly support the president. On October 7, 2005, he was nominated by President Bush to be a Member of the Board of Directors of the <a title="United States Institute of Peace" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Institute_of_Peace">United States Institute of Peace</a>.On September 8, 2006, it was announced that Silver had joined an advisory comittee to the <a title="Scooter Libby" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Scooter_Libby">I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby</a> Legal Defense Trust. <a title="http://www.scooterlibby.com/" href="http://www.scooterlibby.com/">[2]</a>I've dealt with MEMRI before and my take is this: they translate alot of Arabic stuff. Some of it moderate or benign. Some of their projects, however, are deliberately designed to troll the Arabic media for hateful stuff and present it as a comprehensive picture of the Arab media. It's not. These are people who hate Arbas trying to tell you what Arabs think. It's crap. The other thing I'll say about this subject is that the opinion of Arabs and Muslims about 9-11 today is not going to be, and cannot expect to be taken out of the context of the events of the last 5 years. To state the obvious, Arab and

A.J.

09-12-2006, 05:59 AM

What Yerdaddy said.What pisses me off about this Administration (one of many things) is the oft-repeated line "they hate us for our freedom/way of life!!!'BULLSHIT.  It's been stated very clearly from bin Ladin to the man in the street: they hate our carte blanche support of Israel and corrupt Arab monarchies/governments.

Yerdaddy

09-12-2006, 06:05 AM

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sept11_world_remembers" target="_blank">It's not just Arabs and Muslims who resent us.</a><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14784142/" target="_blank">A more objective source on pubic opinion here.</a>And for the record, after living in the ME for nearly two years now I hate Islam more now than I ever thought I would. But my experiences and feelings are extremely complex and ambiguous, and are not a reflection of Muslims hating Americans, Christians, or the West, like these fake experts want you to believe. More than anything else, I see large similarities between American politics and ME religiosity. I still see as much hatred in American Christianity and conservatism as I do amongst the Arabs of the ME. And I'm really starting to burn out on trying to convince both sides to look at their own flaws instead of blaming the other. A nice Buddhist country is looking like a nice place to move to right now.

A.J.

09-12-2006, 06:09 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: And for the record, after living in the ME for nearly two years now I hate Islam more now than I ever thought I would. But my experiences and feelings are extremely complex and ambiguous, and are not a reflection of Muslims hating Americans, Christians, or the West, like these fake experts want you to believe. More than anything else, I see large similarities between American politics and ME religiosity. I still see as much hatred in American Christianity and conservatism as I do amongst the Arabs of the ME. And I'm really starting to burn out on trying to convince both sides to look at their own flaws instead of blaming the other. A nice Buddhist country is looking like a nice place to move to right now.I felt the same way after a year.  Maybe it's my aversion to having every aspect of my life being dictated by an alleged revelation.

Furtherman

09-12-2006, 06:32 AM

If I had a million dollars I'd by commercial time to advertise to the American public what Yerdaddy said. It's right.

Yerdaddy

09-14-2006, 03:36 AM

Furtherman wrote: If I had a million dollars I'd by commercial time to advertise to the American public what Yerdaddy said. It's right.Thanks Furtherman! I'm setting up a PayPal account now. I assume you can make payroll deductions directly to the account, and your employer should have the proper forms. You're the best!I'M RICH, BITCHES!!!