this guy is crazy

[bl3ckedout]

<a href="http://media.putfile.com/savage-hate">http://media.putfile.com/savage-hate</a>&nbsp;it scares the shit out of me that people listen to this guys opinion.

[Yerdaddy]

<p>And, like so many other extremists, he's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)" target="_blank">mainstream</a>:</p><p>he has written <strong>four <em><a title="New York Times" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_York_Times">New York Times</a></em> bestsellers</strong>: <em><a title="The Savage Nation (book)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Savage_Nation_(book)">The Savage Nation</a></em> (<a title="2003" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2003">2003</a>), <em><a title="The Enemy Within (book)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(book)">The Enemy Within</a></em> (<a title="2004" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2004">2004</a>), <em><a title="Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Liberalism_Is_a_Mental_Disorder">Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder</a></em> (<a title="2005" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2005">2005</a>), and <em><a title="The Political Zoo" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Political_Zoo">The Political Zoo</a></em> (<a title="2006" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2006">2006</a>). His nationally syndicated radio show <a title="The Savage Nation (radio)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Savage_Nation_(radio)"><em>The Savage Nation</em></a> reaches more than <strong>10 million listeners</strong> on 377 stations throughout the <a title="United States" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States">United States</a>, ranking third in number of stations syndicated nationwide^{<a title="" href="#_note-0">[2]</a>} and third in nationwide audience^{<a title="" href="#_note-1">[3]</a>} behind <a title="Rush Limbaugh" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh">Rush Limbaugh</a> and <a title="Sean Hannity" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Sean_Hannity">Sean Hannity</a>.</p><p>Savage was hired by <a title="MSNBC" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/MSNBC"><strong>MSNBC</strong></a> president <a title="Erik Sorenson" href="http://www.ronfez.net/w/index.php?title=Erik_Sorenson&action=edit">Erik Sorenson</a> to do a one-hour show starting <a title="March 8" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/March_8">March 8</a>, <a title="2003" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2003">2003</a>, despite previous disparaging references to the network in his book <em><a title="The Savage Nation (book)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Savage_Nation_(book)">The Savage Nation</a></em>, where he calls it &quot;More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps&quot; and calls anchor <a title="Ashleigh Banfield" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Ashleigh_Banfield">Ashleigh Banfield</a> &quot;the mind-slut with a big pair of glasses that they sent to Afghanistan...She looks like she went from <a title="Pornography" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Pornography">porno</a> into reporting.&quot; ^{<a title="" href="#_note-3">[9]</a>} Reportedly, <a title="NBC" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/NBC">NBC</a> anchor <a title="Tom Brokaw" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Tom_Brokaw">Tom Brokaw</a> objected to hiring Savage, asking NBC executives, &quot;Is this the sort of man who embodies the values of NBC?&quot;^{<a title="" href="#_note-GQ">[10]</a>}</p>

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><p>And, like so many other extremists, he's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)" target="_blank">mainstream</a>:</p><p>&nbsp;</p>he has written <strong>four <em><a title="New York Times" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_York_Times">New York Times</a></em> bestsellers</strong>: <em><a title="The Savage Nation (book)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Savage_Nation_(book)">The Savage Nation</a></em> (<a title="2003" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2003">2003</a>), <em><a title="The Enemy Within (book)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(book)">The Enemy Within</a></em> (<a title="2004" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2004">2004</a>), <em><a title="Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Liberalism_Is_a_Mental_Disorder">Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder</a></em> (<a title="2005" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2005">2005</a>), and <em><a title="The Political Zoo" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Political_Zoo">The Political Zoo</a></em> (<a title="2006" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2006">2006</a>). His nationally syndicated radio show <a title="The Savage Nation (radio)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Savage_Nation_(radio)"><em>The Savage Nation</em></a> reaches more than <strong>10 million listeners</strong> on 377 stations throughout the <a title="United States" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States">United States</a>, ranking third in number of stations syndicated nationwide^{<a title="" href="#_note-0">[2]</a>} and third in nationwide audience^{<a title="" href="#_note-1">[3]</a>} behind <a title="Rush Limbaugh" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh">Rush Limbaugh</a> and <a title="Sean Hannity" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Sean_Hannity">Sean Hannity</a>. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>Savage was hired by <a title="MSNBC" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/MSNBC"><strong>MSNBC</strong></a> president <a title="Erik Sorenson" href="http://www.ronfez.net/w/index.php?title=Erik_Sorenson&action=edit">Erik Sorenson</a> to do a one-hour show starting <a title="March 8" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/March_8">March 8</a>, <a title="2003" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2003">2003</a>, despite previous disparaging references to the network in his book <em><a title="The Savage Nation (book)" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/The_Savage_Nation_(book)">The Savage Nation</a></em>, where he calls it &quot;More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps&quot; and calls anchor <a title="Ashleigh Banfield" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Ashleigh_Banfield">Ashleigh Banfield</a> &quot;the mind-slut with a big pair of glasses that they sent to Afghanistan...She looks like she went from <a title="Pornography" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Pornography">porno</a> into reporting.&quot; ^{<a title="" href="#_note-3">[9]</a>} Reportedly, <a title="NBC" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/NBC">NBC</a> anchor <a title="Tom Brokaw" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Tom_Brokaw">Tom Brokaw</a> objected to hiring Savage, asking NBC executives, &quot;Is this the sort of man who embodies the values of NBC?&quot;^{<a title="" href="#_note-GQ">[10]</a>} <p>&nbsp;</p><p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by bl3ckedout on 9-17-06 @ 8:17 AM</span>

[sr71blackbird]

If those are your sigs, just so you know, the mods will ask ou to have them within the size of yerdaddys and mine and everyone elses.&nbsp; Just an FYI.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" />

[OGC]

<strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>I think the guy's hilarious. You just dont get it. He's a political shock jock, and he says (and probably believes) things that have a kernel of truth to them, and then blows them out of proportion. Which is very entertaining. Also when you're sitting in traffic heading home from a long day of work (WHICH YOU FILTHY LIBERALS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!! WORKING FOR A LIVING!!! AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!) here's a guy who's actually more miserable than you are, so it makes you feel better. <br /></p><p>I rarely agree with him, and when he starts attacking immigrants and gets into his Arab/Muslim hatred, I cant take it and turn him off. But more often than not, its a good listen. <br /> </p><p>He also has many sides to his personality, and can be an interesting guy as well. Spent most of his life as a hippie botanist and wrote a bunch of books about health and nutrition. He's syndicated nationally because he gets ratings. BTW-Self syndicated, not part of the big corporate ABC/CBS/etc networks. </p><p>His show is more good than bad, you should actually listen to it for a few nights rather than make a snap judgement based on an internet clip. THat clip is definitely part of what he does, but there's other parts too. And I know liberals who get a kick out of him like I do.</p><p> </p><p>BTW-Its just a stupid talk show. Dont take it so seriously. And dont tell me other people do, because I dont care. Some people commit muders because of something they saw in the movies, but I'm not looking to ban violence in movies. Or to smear them to get others to not watch. I dont love violence in movies? I dont go see them.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p><p> </p>



<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-17-06 @ 10:05 AM</span>

[booster11373]

What do guys like Savage want? I only hear them tell me whats wrong with the world how do they prepose to &quot;fix&quot; whats wrong?

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>sr71blackbird</strong> wrote:<br />If those are your sigs, just so you know, the mods will ask ou to have them within the size of yerdaddys and mine and everyone elses.&nbsp; Just an FYI.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" /> <p>thanks for the info. i took that one off so i think its ok now.</p>

[johnniewalker]

This guy and others like anne coulter live on the extremes of their arguments.&nbsp;&nbsp; Anne Coulter will get&nbsp; a headline that says she hates the widows of the 9/11.&nbsp;&nbsp; Her underlying argument&nbsp; was that its&nbsp; hard to&nbsp; argue with&nbsp; victims of a horrific act&nbsp; because of sympathy.&nbsp; She could have just said that, but that doesn't sell books and make headlines.&nbsp; <br />

[SinA]

<strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>sr71blackbird</strong> wrote:<br />If those are your sigs, just so you know, the mods will ask ou to have them within the size of yerdaddys and mine and everyone elses.&nbsp; Just an FYI.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" /> <p>thanks for the info. i took that one off so i think its ok now.</p><p>not quite</p>

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>richg0404</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p><p>its free because the children and elderly are not going to be required to pay for the treatment. the idea that we subsidize large companies with free or reduced-price land, infrastructure assistance, state corporate income tax credits, as well as many other give aways, and some children don't get the dental work they may need, shots or treatment for easily cured problems because of money, is despicable. rightys like to talk about taxes paid. you and i pay our taxes, republican politicians&nbsp;don't make walmart pay theirs. </p>

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>SinA</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>sr71blackbird</strong> wrote:<br />If those are your sigs, just so you know, the mods will ask ou to have them within the size of yerdaddys and mine and everyone elses.&nbsp; Just an FYI.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" /> <p>thanks for the info. i took that one off so i think its ok now.</p><p>not quite</p><p>ill pull them both off until i find a pic that works. thanks for the help.</p>

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I think the guy's hilarious. You just dont get it. He's a political shock jock, and he says (and probably believes) things that have a kernel of truth to them, and then blows them out of proportion. Which is very entertaining. Also when you're sitting in traffic heading home from a long day of work (WHICH YOU FILTHY LIBERALS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!! WORKING FOR A LIVING!!! AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!) here's a guy who's actually more miserable than you are, so it makes you feel better. <br /></p><p>I rarely agree with him, and when he starts attacking immigrants and gets into his Arab/Muslim hatred, I cant take it and turn him off. But more often than not, its a good listen. <br /></p><p>He also has many sides to his personality, and can be an interesting guy as well. Spent most of his life as a hippie botanist and wrote a bunch of books about health and nutrition. He's syndicated nationally because he gets ratings. BTW-Self syndicated, not part of the big corporate ABC/CBS/etc networks. </p><p>His show is more good than bad, you should actually listen to it for a few nights rather than make a snap judgement based on an internet clip. THat clip is definitely part of what he does, but there's other parts too. And I know liberals who get a kick out of him like I do.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW-Its just a stupid talk show. Don't take it so seriously. And don't tell me other people do, because I dont care. Some people commit muders because of something they saw in the movies, but I'm not looking to ban violence in movies. Or to smear them to get others to not watch. I dont love violence in movies? I dont go see them.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-17-06 @ 10:05 AM</span> <p>no i get the guy and have listened to entire shows of his. i have&nbsp;listened on the radio and i watched on msnbc. i agree that his&nbsp;shows touch a&nbsp;range of issues, but they also touch hate speech. that's the&nbsp;problem with&nbsp;him and those like him. I'm sure&nbsp;David Duke spoke about things other then hate, but ill not know, because his motives are tainted to me with hate speech.&nbsp;when you take&nbsp;savage as a whole he sounds like a rational voice with some very strong beliefs. but in reality he is hate spreading radical who intertwines bigotry and fear mongering into every subject he covers. i don't listen very often so maybe you can help me, is there a topic of any significance that he sides with the minority on?</p>

[JimBeam]

<p>But as woth anything both &quot; sides &quot; have their crazy people.</p><p>I actually, again an ultra-conservative, find Mark levine to be a 1000X worse than Savage.</p><p>Incindentally while giving the big corporations tax breaks its an incentive to not move to Mexico and/or to pass along any costs to the consumer.</p>

[SatCam]

<strong>richg0404</strong> wrote:<br><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p><p></p>

you're overthinking it, silly

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>JimBeam</strong> wrote:<br /><p>But as woth anything both &quot; sides &quot; have their crazy people.</p><p>I actually, again an ultra-conservative, find Mark levine to be a 1000X worse than Savage.</p><p>Incindentally while giving the big corporations tax breaks its an incentive to not move to Mexico and/or to pass along any costs to the consumer.</p>i don't know much about the guy. but from what Ive read he is a college professor that believes that Israel is mistreating the Palestinians. i haven't read any hateful remarks from him, not to say he doesn't have any i just haven't seen them. also saying that Israel hasn't behaved like a civilized nation in their war with Palestine isn't a wild eyed extremist comment to me. the not moving to mexico argument is soft to me as well, they shouldn't have that option. if they want to do over 50% of their business in the US then they should either pay taxes and employee&nbsp;here in America, or pay tariffs that will force them to change their operations. i blame the conservative congress in the 90's and the free trade president at the time for that.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by bl3ckedout on 9-17-06 @ 1:43 PM</span>

[Jujubees2]

<strong>richg0404</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p><font size="2"><span>I guess that you would rather your tax dollars go to kill innocent children in foreign countries than provide health care to those in this country.&nbsp; Besides, the people who would be getting free health care still cost you.&nbsp; Now when they get sick, they show up at the hospital where they can&rsquo;t pay the bill so it gets put back on the government. If they had health are, they could get preventative medicine to avoid costly hospital stays. </span></font>

[johnniewalker]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>richg0404</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p><font size="2">I guess that you would rather your tax dollars go to kill innocent children in foreign countries than provide health care to those in this country. Besides, the people who would be getting free health care still cost you. Now when they get sick, they show up at the hospital where they can&rsquo;t pay the bill so it gets put back on the government. If they had health are, they could get preventative medicine to avoid costly hospital stays. </font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm not quite sold on the people who are too poor to pay for their hospital bills being responsible enough to seek out preventive measures in the first place.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm not quite sure your health is the first thing you think of when you're poor.&nbsp; There is a history of private health care and a mentality of being responsible for yourself and not insuring everyone else.&nbsp; It changes the mentality of the people.&nbsp; In England people are debt ridden and don't care about their future because the government is there to take care of them.&nbsp; Some people seek out better health care than the government provided health care.&nbsp; I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but there are side effects to providing &quot;free&quot; health care.<br /></p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[OGC]

<strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>richg0404</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p><font size="2">I guess that you would rather your tax dollars go to kill innocent children in foreign countries ...</font> <p><font size="2">Where did that come from. I was just pointing out that free healthcare isn't FREE. </font></p><p><font size="2">I&nbsp; like the way you took the natural step of guessing my stand on killing people too. Where do I stand on off shore drilling Ronoldo ?</font></p>

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>Jujubees2</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>richg0404</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bl3ckedout</strong> wrote: <p>what blows my mind is that I'm persecuted for thinking all children and elderly should get free health care. I'm a radically liberal nut. this guy is syndicated all around the country.</p><p><font size="1">Why is it called FREE healthcare when I pay for it through taxes ?</font></p><font size="2">I guess that you would rather your tax dollars go to kill innocent children in foreign countries than provide health care to those in this country. Besides, the people who would be getting free health care still cost you. Now when they get sick, they show up at the hospital where they can&rsquo;t pay the bill so it gets put back on the government. If they had health are, they could get preventative medicine to avoid costly hospital stays. </font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm not quite sold on the people who are too poor to pay for their hospital bills being responsible enough to seek out preventive measures in the first place.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm not quite sure your health is the first thing you think of when you're poor.&nbsp; There is a history of private health care and a mentality of being responsible for yourself and not insuring everyone else.&nbsp; It changes the mentality of the people.&nbsp; In England people are debt ridden and don't care about their future because the government is there to take care of them.&nbsp; Some people seek out better health care than the government provided health care.&nbsp; I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but there are side effects to providing &quot;free&quot; health care.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm not talking about providing free health care to employment age and able adults. what I'm referring to is the elderly and children getting free health care. surely you don't want to be the one to argue that this is a bad idea.&nbsp;</p>

[Yerdaddy]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I think the guy's hilarious. You just dont get it. He's a political shock jock, and he says (and probably believes) things that have a kernel of truth to them, and then blows them out of proportion. Which is very entertaining. Also when you're sitting in traffic heading home from a long day of work (WHICH YOU FILTHY LIBERALS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!! WORKING FOR A LIVING!!! AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!) here's a guy who's actually more miserable than you are, so it makes you feel better. <br /></p><p>I rarely agree with him, and when he starts attacking immigrants and gets into his Arab/Muslim hatred, I cant take it and turn him off. But more often than not, its a good listen. <br /></p><p>He also has many sides to his personality, and can be an interesting guy as well. Spent most of his life as a hippie botanist and wrote a bunch of books about health and nutrition. He's syndicated nationally because he gets ratings. BTW-Self syndicated, not part of the big corporate ABC/CBS/etc networks. </p><p>His show is more good than bad, you should actually listen to it for a few nights rather than make a snap judgement based on an internet clip. THat clip is definitely part of what he does, but there's other parts too. And I know liberals who get a kick out of him like I do.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW-Its just a stupid talk show. Dont take it so seriously. And dont tell me other people do, because I dont care. Some people commit muders because of something they saw in the movies, but I'm not looking to ban violence in movies. Or to smear them to get others to not watch. I dont love violence in movies? I dont go see them.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-17-06 @ 10:05 AM</span> <p>Except for this: In the leadup to the Iraq war I was lobbying Congress against supporting the invasion and then to take a larger role in the war by demanding that the administration present to the Congress it's plan for &quot;winning the peace&quot;, as the Army War College termed the period America faced after the fall of Baghdad. In between my day job and activism I would waste hours on the board arguing against the war with conservative board members. </p><p>Some of the problems I saw from those days are the reason I've more or less set myself on a&nbsp;crusade against American conservative extremism back home and chosen people like&nbsp;you, BDC, as one of the moderates, as our salvation, if you choose to take the role. I think you know by now my theories of the mainstreaming of conservative extremism in America and the pathetic weakness of the democratic party as well of the political insignificance of the liberal extremists reduced to shouting in the streets like DC crackheads and having virtually no effect on policy at all. That leaves the conservative moderates, (or at least non-crazies),&nbsp;like Lugar, Warner, McCain, Hagel and yourself, to salvage the political system from the likes of Santorum, DeLay, and Lott, as well as Coulter, Hannity, this white supremicist in this thread, and the ass-clowns who get their political values from them.</p><p>The problems that I experieced were these: Long before I switched from working on Indonesia and East Timor policy I outgrew any trust that I had in &quot;liberal sources&quot; in my first year in Washington. I had taken what I had learned from Chomsky and The Nation into congressional offices and been proven wrong over and over again until I realized that I was wrong because my sources were wrong. I figured out in a hurry that these liberal sources of information, while satisfying my emotional needs to know who was right and wrong on the issues of human rights, war and peace, globalization, and other international issues, they weren't so much interested in the individual subjects or people as they were in liberalizm itself. They were ideologues, and that guaranteed they were wrong. About almost every subject. </p><p>So I started using sources that were&nbsp;almost alw

[Yerdaddy]

I hate myself.

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br />[quote]<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I think the guy's hilarious. You just dont get it. He's a political shock jock, and he says (and probably believes) things that have a kernel of truth to them, and then blows them out of proportion. Which is very entertaining. Also when you're sitting in traffic heading home from a long day of work (WHICH YOU FILTHY LIBERALS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!! WORKING FOR A LIVING!!! AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!) here's a guy who's actually more miserable than you are, so it makes you feel better. <br /></p><p>I rarely agree with him, and when he starts attacking immigrants and gets into his Arab/Muslim hatred, I cant take it and turn him off. But more often than not, its a good listen. <br /></p><p>He also has many sides to his personality, and can be an interesting guy as well. Spent most of his life as a hippie botanist and wrote a bunch of books about health and nutrition. He's syndicated nationally because he gets ratings. BTW-Self syndicated, not part of the big corporate ABC/CBS/etc networks. </p><p>His show is more good than bad, you should actually listen to it for a few nights rather than make a snap judgement based on an internet clip. THat clip is definitely part of what he does, but there's other parts too. And I know liberals who get a kick out of him like I do.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW-Its just a stupid talk show. Dont take it so seriously. And dont tell me other people do, because I dont care. Some people commit muders because of something they saw in the movies, but I'm not looking to ban violence in movies. Or to smear them to get others to not watch. I dont love violence in movies? I dont go see them.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-17-06 @ 10:05 AM</span> <p>Except for this: In the leadup to the Iraq war I was lobbying Congress against supporting the invasion and then to take a larger role in the war by demanding that the administration present to the Congress it's plan for &quot;winning the peace&quot;, as the Army War College termed the period America faced after the fall of Baghdad. In between my day job and activism I would waste hours on the board arguing against the war with conservative board members. </p><p>Some of the problems I saw from those days are the reason I've more or less set myself on a&nbsp;crusade against American conservative extremism back home and chosen people like&nbsp;you, BDC, as one of the moderates, as our salvation, if you choose to take the role. I think you know by now my theories of the mainstreaming of conservative extremism in America and the pathetic weakness of the democratic party as well of the political insignificance of the liberal extremists reduced to shouting in the streets like DC crackheads and having virtually no effect on policy at all. That leaves the conservative moderates, (or at least non-crazies),&nbsp;like Lugar, Warner, McCain, Hagel and yourself, to salvage the political system from the likes of Santorum, DeLay, and Lott, as well as Coulter, Hannity, this white supremicist in this thread, and the ass-clowns who get their political values from them.</p><p>The problems that I experieced were these: Long before I switched from working on Indonesia and East Timor policy I outgrew any trust that I had in &quot;liberal sources&quot; in my first year in Washington. I had taken what I had learned from Chomsky and The Nation into congressional offices and been proven wrong over and over again until I realized that I was wrong because my sources were wrong. I figured out in a hurry that these liberal sources of information, while satisfying my emotional needs to know who was right and wrong on the issues of human rights, war and peace, globalization, and other international issues, they weren't so much interested in the individual subjects or people as they were in liberalizm itself. They were ideologues, and that guaranteed they were wrong. About almost every subject. </p

[johnniewalker]

<p>Kudos on the essay as well.&nbsp; I think you are right on. I was just wondering what these people, if they are so freaked out about their constituencies, are doing.&nbsp; I know its not typical of a representitive to&nbsp; persuade their consituiency of something, but informing them might not be the worst thing in the world.&nbsp; It seems like to me if they cared they could take some sort of action.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;I think you are so right about how facts get thrown out the window. Its more about a moral decision or a decision on an abstract concept.&nbsp; With immigration for example, does either side base their arguments on potential economic impacts or facts on potential protection that a wall would provide?&nbsp; No, they base it either on a idea of illegals and get rid of them all or there here so they have to stay.&nbsp; To me nothing makes me more mad when they ask a person on the street how do you feel about this.&nbsp; Who the fuck cares, about an ill informed person basing their opinion on emotion.&nbsp; That's what happend in the Iraq war.&nbsp; Public opinion for it was very strong.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think the idea was to get it going and get it going quickly.&nbsp; <br /></p>

[Yerdaddy]

<p>Here's a fine example of where our political culture is today. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214207,00.html" target="_blank">Here's the HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER</a> accusing democrats of being terrorist sympathisers and then parroting the same talking point over and over as a substitute for a real position on the issues that even republicans are differing with the president on. Why would he say such a thing that would get even the president slapping him away from his own D? Because that's what enough of his constituency, suckled on Bill O'Riely's lufa-soft teet of hateful ignorance, wants to hear from the leader of their party in the House of Representatives. </p><p>Now, hyperbole is as old a part of our political history&nbsp;as bad hair and naked interns. But this kind of hatred used to be beneath the parties' leadership. So was the stupidity.</p><p><font size="2">HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER JOHN BOEHNER, R-Ohio: Good to be with you, Chris.</font></p><p><font size="2">WALLACE: You created quite a stir this week when you said the following &mdash; and let's put it on the screen.</font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>&quot;I listen to my Democratic friends, and I wonder if they're more interested in protecting the terrorists than protecting the American people.&quot;</strong></font></p><p><font size="2">but the fact is, is that, if you look at the</font> <a href="javascript:siteSearch('USA%20Patriot%20Act');"><strong>USA Patriot Act</strong></a><font size="2">, we're trying to give the president <strong>tool</strong>s to protect Americans; they fought against us.</font></p><p><font size="2">And we're willing to give the president the <strong>tool</strong>s that he needs to take on the terrorists.</font></p><p><font size="2">And many times, they stand in the way and try to fight us giving the president these <strong>tool</strong>s</font></p><p><font size="2">I think when you see Lindsey Graham and</font> <a href="javascript:siteSearch('John%20McCain');"><strong>John McCain</strong></a><font size="2">, they want to help the president get the <strong>tool</strong>s to take on the terrorists. We have differences over what those <strong>tool</strong>s look like.</font></p><p><font size="2">We'll work out the differences with Senator McCain and Mr. Graham to give the president the <strong>tool</strong>s he needs to effectively protect the American people.</font></p><p><font size="2">We need to work out a way to give the president the <strong>tool</strong>s that he needs to protect the American people before a terrorist incident happens here again.</font></p><p>There's a word for a guy like this. I can't quite think of what it is. </p>

[empulse]

<p>Seriously.&nbsp;This is my promise to Republicans. Fucking call me lazy, welfare burden, or anything else of that nature and I'm gonna put you on your ass.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have held a job since i was 14.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have been working construction for 12+ yrs. So to say i don't work/bust my ass for every dollar, is bullshit.&nbsp;Quoting some bumper sticker doens't make you smart.&nbsp; And I am now adding paying taxes to my list of things to get you popped in the mouth.&nbsp; If you hate taxes you hate our democracy.&nbsp; its pay to play bitches.&nbsp; If you don't like taxes, get the fuck off my roads, get&nbsp;your retarded kids outta my schools, shut the fuck up about terrorism, you don't have a right to any of it.</p><p>Paying for healthcare for the&nbsp;the young and the elderly&nbsp;is the right thing to do.&nbsp; </p><p>Paying to educate the&nbsp;uneducated is the right thing to do.&nbsp; </p><p>Paying to feed the&nbsp;hungry is the right thing to do.</p><p>250,000 homeless VETs in this country and&nbsp;<em>you</em> support the troops? </p><p>You can have the right to use the word <em>welfare</em> again when you stop giving 7 billion in tax breaks to the oil industry.</p><p>When you stop giving corporate welfare to wal-mart.</p><p>And yesterday we find ut the only qualifications you need to get millions of dollars in gov't contracts in Iraq (or from the pentagon in general) is answer these 3 questions correctly:</p><p>Who did you vote for last election?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Hint:&nbsp;Correct answer is Bush)</p><p>Do you support the President and his <em>vision</em> of our nations future?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Hint: Correct answer is Yes)</p><p>Where do you stand on Roe Vs. Wade?&nbsp; (Hint: Correct answer is I hate baby killers)</p><p>If you answered correctly once the repugs are done wiping their asses with the constitution they will hand you a gov't contract.&nbsp; </p><p><strong>So fuck you for questioning Dems/Liberals desire to help Americans first.</strong></p><p>I love all of my brothers and sisters in this country.&nbsp; It breaks my heart that so many have been brain washed, their hearts filled with hate, their minds corrupted&nbsp;by&nbsp;fear.&nbsp; When you believe that anything to the left of FaUX NEWs is liberal, or a terrorist, or both, maybe.. just maybe something is wrong with the message you have been getting.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[bl3ckedout]

<strong>empulse</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Seriously.&nbsp;This is my promise to Republicans. Fucking call me lazy, welfare burden, or anything else of that nature and I'm gonna put you on your ass.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have held a job since i was 14.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have been working construction for 12+ yrs. So to say i don't work/bust my ass for every dollar, is bullshit.&nbsp;Quoting some bumper sticker doens't make you smart.&nbsp; And I am now adding paying taxes to my list of things to get you popped in the mouth.&nbsp; If you hate taxes you hate our democracy.&nbsp; its pay to play bitches.&nbsp; If you don't like taxes, get the fuck off my roads, get&nbsp;your retarded kids outta my schools, shut the fuck up about terrorism, you don't have a right to any of it.</p><p>Paying for healthcare for the&nbsp;the young and the elderly&nbsp;is the right thing to do.&nbsp; </p><p>Paying to educate the&nbsp;uneducated is the right thing to do.&nbsp; </p><p>Paying to feed the&nbsp;hungry is the right thing to do.</p><p>250,000 homeless VETs in this country and&nbsp;<em>you</em> support the troops? </p><p>You can have the right to use the word <em>welfare</em> again when you stop giving 7 billion in tax breaks to the oil industry.</p><p>When you stop giving corporate welfare to wal-mart.</p><p>And yesterday we find ut the only qualifications you need to get millions of dollars in gov't contracts in Iraq (or from the pentagon in general) is answer these 3 questions correctly:</p><p>Who did you vote for last election?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Hint:&nbsp;Correct answer is Bush)</p><p>Do you support the President and his <em>vision</em> of our nations future?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Hint: Correct answer is Yes)</p><p>Where do you stand on Roe Vs. Wade?&nbsp; (Hint: Correct answer is I hate baby killers)</p><p>If you answered correctly once the repugs are done wiping their asses with the constitution they will hand you a gov't contract.&nbsp; </p><p><strong>So fuck you for questioning Dems/Liberals desire to help Americans first.</strong></p><p>I love all of my brothers and sisters in this country.&nbsp; It breaks my heart that so many have been brain washed, their hearts filled with hate, their minds corrupted&nbsp;by&nbsp;fear.&nbsp; When you believe that anything to the left of FaUX NEWs is liberal, or a terrorist, or both, maybe.. just maybe something is wrong with the message you have been getting.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>you are as right as rain bro. there is nothing in that statement i disagree with.</p>