Is "boxed wine" considered "crap"? [Archive]

sr71blackbird

09-30-2006, 12:46 PM

Lately, I have been getting boxed wine, because you get more for less money and it is far easier to handle and store and its convienient too. But I have been talking to friends who seem to think "real" wine comes in bottles with corks.  They seem to be equating the boxed wine with poor quality wines.  I am just wondering; is it crap?  Is it poorer quality?  I hope not because I think its very cool and tasty and do not want to be considered as "low class" if I serve a guest boxed wine. What do you think?<img height="355" src="http://www.allabreve.org/Box%20Of%20Wine/bow_images/boxxoluv.jpg" width="231" border="0" />

This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 9-30-06 @ 5:35 PM

suggums

09-30-2006, 12:55 PM

it's the age-old argument of vices, quality or quantity9 times out of 10 ill vote quality, but it all depends on the situation

sr71blackbird

09-30-2006, 12:57 PM

The quality seems fine to me though.  Am I mistaken? 

FUNKMAN

09-30-2006, 01:02 PM

Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me. i didn't even know you could get wine in a box. i would say it's the same product as in the bottle. i had posted an article about the "wine business" a year or so ago and even the people who considered themselves to be the finest wine tasters were picking the cheaper wines on occassion so what it comes down to is " do you like the wine? " and everyone else can take a fucking flying leap     <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />

suggums

09-30-2006, 01:06 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: what it comes down to is " do you like the wine? " and everyone else can take a fucking flying leap <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" /> since i still havent really answered your question lemme go back and do that.  i totally agree with funkman, it's all in the eye of the beholder.  you like it, then that should be good enough.  at the same time, you give it to others and they might not have the same opinion.  hell someone was saying screw-top bottles of wine automatically suck, which i dont think is the case at all.  yes people are gonna look more fondly if they see you pouring them a glass of wine from a bottle rather than getting it from your franzia tap.  then again, they dont have to see if the kitchen (or at least wine) is out of view.  there's a lotta cheaper stuff out there thats really good now, if its for show you could get a good enough bottle for 10-15. 

This message was edited by suggums on 9-30-06 @ 5:34 PM

SinA

09-30-2006, 01:23 PM

the container isn't the issue.  whether it comes in a box or a bottle, you like shitty wine.

sr71blackbird

09-30-2006, 01:34 PM

I tried it because the guy in the store said it was just as good, and it was much easier for me to lug down the steps for my my wife, who likes to get gallon cases of Carlo Rossi White Zinfandel.  I got a box of red wine from a different maker for me and a box of Zinfandel for her and put in the an empty bottle for her and she could not tell the difference.  I like my wine cold, so I keep a box of red wine in the refrigerator and take a big glass when needed and it seems (to my tastes) to be excellent. I know a "purist" who says they will only drink from a bottle and would refuse a glass from a box.  I am wondering if I (even though I like it) am being "unsophisticated" because I am not a "serious" wine drinker.  

This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 9-30-06 @ 5:35 PM

suggums

09-30-2006, 01:37 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: I am wondering if I (even though I like it) am being "unsophisticated" because I am not a "serious" wine drinker. 

This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 9-30-06 @ 5:35 PM  if that's your question, i'm nowhere near sophisticated and can say yes

sr71blackbird

09-30-2006, 01:42 PM

So, (its ok) are you saying I am being viewed as being "unsophisticated" because I like it?

torker

09-30-2006, 01:44 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: what it comes down to is " do you like the wine? " and everyone else can take a fucking flying leap     <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />I like Gordon's and it comes in a plastic bottle.  Much like Funkman.<img height="71" src="http://denver.zuvo.com/images/products/liquor/2286s.jpg" width="50" border="0" />

sr71blackbird

09-30-2006, 01:46 PM

Gotcha!

UnknownPD

09-30-2006, 01:59 PM

serve no wine before its' time

badorties

09-30-2006, 01:59 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: So, (its ok) are you saying I am being viewed as being "unsophisticated" because I like it? yesbut, it's all relative and subjective ... if you paid for it and enjoy it, who's to tell you it's improper or uncouthfor any subject there's a hierarchy of snobbery ... if it's music, food, books or radio shows someone's always got an opinion

Fez4PrezN2008

09-30-2006, 02:05 PM

It's about the BUZZ not the container or the quality of it. If you drink enough $100 a bottle wine you couldn't tell if you were drinking Thunderbird after you got your buzz on so have some good shit first, then swith to the cheap stuff when you get hammered. Better yet, go for the vodka !Enjoy your BUZZ...

hunnerbun

09-30-2006, 02:16 PM

blackbird...I too buy wine by the box.  I like reds, Shiraz is
my favorite and I started drinking this one particular Australian
red.  Well I was buying it by the bottle (750 ml for $10) and then
I discovered it came in a box (2 litre for $24) cost works out to about
the same, but it is more convenient. 
 
I say who gives a shit as long as you like it.

SinA

09-30-2006, 02:25 PM

Fez4PrezN2008 wrote: It's about the BUZZ not the container or the quality of it.  that's how young poor people think.

torker

09-30-2006, 03:00 PM

Billy doesn't mind that his methadone comes in a paper cup.

FUNKMAN

09-30-2006, 03:21 PM

torker wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: what it comes down to is " do you like the wine? " and everyone else can take a fucking flying leap     <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />I like Gordon's and it comes in a plastic bottle.  Much like Funkman.<img height="71" src="http://denver.zuvo.com/images/products/liquor/2286s.jpg" width="50" border="0" />ha ha, that was so funny that i remembered to laugh but didn't...      okay i laughed a little but nobody heard me...

Marc with a c

09-30-2006, 03:41 PM

why did you put boxed wine in quotes?

Gimp

09-30-2006, 03:43 PM

depends, do you make left hand turns?

phixion

09-30-2006, 04:03 PM

yeah people are right iwht saying its your own personal taste. ill make it a weed metaphor cuz thats my hobby.. regs or dro age old debate i have friends who smoke regs with a smile on their face and i have friends who would rather not smoke than smoke regs to each his own........

bobrobot

09-30-2006, 04:26 PM

epo

09-30-2006, 04:28 PM

The shocking thing is you drink red wine chilled.

silas

09-30-2006, 05:29 PM

Some new boxed wine brands are supposedly of higher quality than the usual lower cost+quality stuff.At least one brand (the one with the rabbit in its logo?), is said to be a mid-range offering. It seems to be using its metallic shiny packaging as a "cool" selling feature. Box packaging is also known as being more enviro-friendly than usual bottles.(speaking of "shiny", reminds me of hilarious Ron suggestion of "....or i just put something shiny on my cock")

Krieger

09-30-2006, 05:34 PM

I dont know why but whenever I hear the name "boxed whine" the words "cheap white trash" come to mind. Not you but the name boxed whine just has those words branded to it in my mind.

Fez4PrezN2008

09-30-2006, 06:43 PM

Dude - I am not a "young" person, probably older than you. Can you really say that anyone drinks alcohol of any kind because the really love the "taste" ? If that were true, we'd all be talking about fuggin Welches Grape Juice has earthy overtones, nice tannins, and apricot and green grass and all that fruh-fruh wine shit. It's all about the BUZZ no matter how you slice it.

Recyclerz

09-30-2006, 07:38 PM

Mandatory wise ass comment: Technically, since it is a liquid, it would be considered piss.OK, now that I got that out of the way, here's my $0.02.  One thing that I've noticed in my experience in the working world is that the small talk at business dinners, especially with an international crowd, almost always boils down to discussions of wine and travel experiences, preferably outside the US.  Since I've never been a big wine drinker I've had to learn enough to fake it (but I've also learned to enjoy wine a little more as well.) Based on that study here's my advice:Listen to Funkman, Suggums, Badorties, et al. and drink what you like when it's just you & the wife.  Boxed wine is usually considered downmarket and it is usually pretty basic stuff although as Silas pointed out, there are some "good" wines starting to be sold that way. See link<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2146720/">http://www.slate.com/id/2146720/</a>If you're worried about what other people think (and there probably are some situations where that is necessary, but not many) have the guy at the store recommend a couple of good wines which you probably can get for about $15/bottle and keep them for "company" as my Grandma used to say.One last point - although it is what you like that matters most, I think Epo is right in pointing out that red wines are designed to be poured down your gullet at room temperature (sangria excepted). Most white wines can be chilled but you're probably better off trying the red right off the counter.

boeman

09-30-2006, 07:51 PM

I've had both good and bad boxed wine. My dad typically buys wine in a box, but the liner bag inside adds a distinct manufactured plastic taste to the wine, while another brand he tried once did not (I don't remember what brands, I'm not a wine drinker so I don't really pay attention to brands when I do drink it). My opinion is if you like it, drink it. Who cares what others think.

FUNKMAN

09-30-2006, 09:48 PM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/75/Topic/48042/page/I_put_Ice_in_my_wine.htm" target="_self">here's a previous thread</a><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/16/pf/wine_hooey_0601/index.htm" target="_self">and the article i so eloquently spoke of</a> hopefully this doesn't have a ripple effect... Ha ha Ha Ha Ha  oh boy!

SinA

10-01-2006, 07:31 AM

Fez4PrezN2008 wrote: Dude - I am not a "young" person, probably older than you. Can you really say that anyone drinks alcohol of any kind because the really love the "taste" ? If that were true, we'd all be talking about fuggin Welches Grape Juice has earthy overtones, nice tannins, and apricot and green grass and all that fruh-fruh wine shit. It's all about the BUZZ no matter how you slice it. no one drinks "alcohol of any kind" because of the taste?dude.

FezPaul

10-01-2006, 04:24 PM

In the continuing absence of DeathMetalMoe I would just like to add that, not only do I not drink wine, as a recovering alcoholic I don't drink anything, but even when I did drink I would never waste my time on some pussy drink like wine and why the hell is this thread posted in the "no-tooling" forum?It should be in "Ask the Oracle", "Off Topic", or "The Confesional".I mean seriously.

feralBoy

10-01-2006, 05:23 PM

epo wrote: The shocking thing is you drink red wine chilled.  Technically, red wine is supposed to be served slightly chilled.  60 - 65 degrees, which is much cooler than room temperature.  Also, younger red wines can even be served cooler.  Beaujolais Nouveau is usually served cold.  Regarding boxes of wine, if you can't tell the difference between a box of wine, and wine in a bottle, then why spend more money on the bottle?  If you feel uneasy about serving a box of wine to your guest, why not fill up an empty wine bottle with the box wine, and keep the bottle in the frig.  Either that or buy a wine caraffe or something.  That being said, there is a difference in cheap box wine, and a good bottle of wine, but it does take some time and patience to actually taste the difference.  I think most people think they know more about wine than they do, and my guess is if you put box wine, a $10 bottle, and a $100 bottle in front of people, 9 times out of ten they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

TooCute

10-01-2006, 09:00 PM

If the question is "Is boxed wine considered crap?", the answer is yes. If the
question is "Should I not drink boxed wine which I enjoy because other
people think it's crap?", the answer's no.

FUNKMAN

10-01-2006, 09:03 PM

i don't like to buy any wine before it's time question: if a bottle of wine sells for ten bucks at the liquor store but sells for 30 bucks at a restaurant is it a 10 dollar or 30 dollar bottle of wine? i'm always thinking, always working the noodle sort of speak...

nate1000

10-02-2006, 05:29 AM

FUNKMAN wrote: i don't like to buy any wine before it's time question: if a bottle of wine sells for ten bucks at the liquor store but sells for 30 bucks at a restaurant is it a 10 dollar or 30 dollar bottle of wine? i'm always thinking, always working the noodle sort of speak...It is a 10 dollar bottle of wine with a $20 corking fee.  Yes, boxed wine is crap. It is, by definition, mass produced crap. Wine picks up a ton of character from the aging process- oakiness from the time it spends in the casks, tannins from sitting on the skins, balance from aging in the bottle. Just know what you are getting with boxed wines- crap grapes, pressed and fermented quickly, then shipped out to the masses to stupify. If you are going to drink boxed wine, I'd stick with a light, fruity wine. Don't bother with Cab or Merlot or Chard- the wine will be noting but fruit, lacking complexity.

angelinad128

10-02-2006, 05:51 AM

If you enjoy it keep buying it. I always buy my wine in a bottle but once at a party I had a glass of wine that I really enjoyed. When I asked my g/f what it was she showed me the box. First and actually only time I had boxed wine and I really liked it.  The box wine makes sense when throwing a party, you get so much more.

ChimneyFish

10-03-2006, 01:08 PM

suggums wrote:   yes people are gonna look more fondly if they see you pouring them a glass of wine from a bottle rather than getting it from your franzia tap.  then again, they dont have to see if the kitchen (or at least wine) is out of view. This message was edited by suggums on 9-30-06 @ 5:34 PM Which is why I keep my wine in my basement.I keep a lot of things in my basement.

keithy_19

10-22-2006, 11:03 PM

ChimneyFish wrote: suggums wrote:   yes people are gonna look more fondly if they see you pouring them a glass of wine from a bottle rather than getting it from your franzia tap.  then again, they dont have to see if the kitchen (or at least wine) is out of view. This message was edited by suggums on 9-30-06 @ 5:34 PM Which is why I keep my wine in my basement.I keep a lot of things in my basement.Dead bodies.  But to bring it back to the subject, I had some boxed sangria and it was fantastic. You got more for your money with the same quality beverage. Pouring wine makes you seem prestigious, but if you like the wine in the box and save money fuck what other people think.

Bama

10-22-2006, 11:33 PM

Is "boxed wine" considered "crap?"   "YES"

lindak

10-23-2006, 12:31 PM

Drink what you like and the price is right.  I like the box wine too and drink it all the time.  (and get razzed for it from friends).  if I go somewhere I bring a bottle wine and have other choices available at home for company.

HeyGuy

10-23-2006, 09:54 PM

Angry Kevin wrote: I dont know why but whenever I hear the name "boxed whine" the words "cheap white trash" come to mind. Not you but the name boxed whine just has those words branded to it in my mind. Agreed 100%. Boxed wine is known by most as being white trash. Screw top win is a close 2nd. Put it this way if you like it, then buy it and drink it yourself. If your going to give it as a gift then do not give a gift at all. If someone brought it to me a s a gift, then the thought didnt count. Next time dont think of me bring me nothing. A lot of boxed wines are zinfindels, any wine drinker will tell you zinfindells is not a real wine. Plus your not suppose to drink red wine chilled. Whit is to be chilled, red to be served room temp. Zinfindels are to be poured down your sink or given as gifts to people you dont like.If you like it continue to buy it. If you want to learn about wines there is a good magazine you can buy called "wine spectator". At the end of the day it doesnt matter if its a $200 bottle of Gaja Barbaresco 2001 or a $18 bottle of Vina Santa Rita. It all depends on what you like.If your looking for a real good cheap wine. Go to Trader Joes and buy Charles Shaw. They make 4 or 5 different reds and 4 or 5 different whites. Its a good tasting cheap bottle of wine. The nickname is $3buck chuck. It used to be 2 buck chuck but they raised the price. Like I said not bad, if you drink wine everynight and dont want to throw away a couple hundered$$$ a week on wine then this is just what you need.

PapaBear

10-23-2006, 10:12 PM

I'm not a fan of wine, but I've heard one good thing about it. If you take the bag out of the box, and put it in a backpack, you can easily affix a hose that allows you to pour drinks. This (according to those who've tried it) is perfect for outdoor events, such as street festivals.

johnniewalker

10-23-2006, 10:56 PM

PapaBear wrote: I'm not a fan of wine, but I've heard one good thing about it. If you take the bag out of the box, and put it in a backpack, you can easily affix a hose that allows you to pour drinks. This (according to those who've tried it) is perfect for outdoor events, such as street festivals. That's whats great about boxed wines and parties.  Use the bladder for wine stands.  When I first started drinking boxed wines it was in the dorms and I thought I was being classy.  Once you have any real wine you realize the sweetness is unbearable in boxed wine.  I've moved on to 2.99 bottles of classy merlot.

Burky

11-11-2006, 12:31 PM

Agreed 100%. Boxed wine is known by most as being white trash. Screw top win is a close 2nd.  Actually some of the most well respected winemakers insist on screw top bottles because they feel the screw top keeps the wine fresh.  My wife is pretty much of a wine expert and has quite a few cases in our wine cellar with screw tops.

HeyGuy

11-11-2006, 04:49 PM

Burky wrote: Agreed 100%. Boxed wine is known by most as being white trash. Screw top win is a close 2nd.  Actually some of the most well respected winemakers insist on screw top bottles because they feel the screw top keeps the wine fresh.  My wife is pretty much of a wine expert and has quite a few cases in our wine cellar with screw tops. How could a screw top keep it fresher then a cork? I cant see that being true, but on a side note if you watch the NBC Show "my name is Earl" one of the most recent episode they show them pouring wine and all of them are holding a box of wine. They were in a trailer park doing this. The show is about a guy who is white trash and his family and friends are very white trashy, bumpkins. So you make the call, but they didnt use boxed wine for no reason in the show. Its just known that boxed wine is trashy.