View Full Version : Do you think you should carry a gun?
Cigar Sid
10-21-2006, 03:41 AM
Is Ron right, should we carry guns on us. i agree 100%
Expecially when were out with women were we have to protect them in any
situation. Lets fae it criminals are going to have guns. i
think we should all have them to defend ourselves, people get robbed
raped and murdered all the time. Cops in my county are more
worried about making money with a few pot busts rather than fight the
MS13 gang members and actually keeping our streets safe. What do
you think? Guns or no guns?<br />
<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by RonNFez4life on 10-21-06 @ 7:42 AM</span>
ChrisTheCop
10-21-2006, 04:01 AM
<p>Most people think theyre responsible enough to have a gun. Okay.</p><p>Now. Think of your friends. You know the guy who gets drunk every weekend. Ya want him to have a gun?</p><p>How about the guy who's constantly arguing with his wife. Ya want EITHER of them to have a gun?</p><p>The fact is, not everyone is responsible enough for this "basic" human right. The way things are, those of us who can prove they NEED a gun AND have a history which proves they are indeed responsible enough to carry one, can.</p><p>To change the law to where just everyone can carry and or get one when they feel they need it would be too scary, although it would make my job easier. </p><p>Best example I can think of, Homer Simpson. When told there was a waiting period before he could get his gun, "3 days??? but I'm angry now!" (or words to that effect). </p><p>So, although I dont like the word hero (we save that for the fire department. lol), I chose choice #3.<br /></p><p> </p>
Jujubees2
10-21-2006, 04:15 AM
<p><font size="2">Ditto what Chris said and two other things.</font></p><p><font size="2">1) If a robber thinks you have a gun wouldn't that make him/her more likley to shoot first?</font></p><p><font size="2">2) How about bystanders? Unfortunately, we haven't developed a smart bullet yet.</font></p>
Cigar Sid
10-21-2006, 04:23 AM
But here's the thing, there are no bystanders, there are only possible
victims. If a robber thinks you have a gun, he's going to try and
move to a easier target. i do agree the you need to do some sort
of self evaluation to decide if you want the responibility and an be
trusted to carry a weapon. but do you really want to be
unarmed if someone holds you at gunpoint and wants to say rape your
wife?<br />
PapaBear
10-21-2006, 04:47 AM
I've been in VERY many dangerous situations in my life. I've never needed a gun in any of them... even in cases when others had guns.
Jujubees2
10-21-2006, 05:07 AM
<strong>RonNFez4life</strong> wrote:<br />But here's the thing, there are no bystanders, there are only possible victims. If a robber thinks you have a gun, he's going to try and move to a easier target. i do agree the you need to do some sort of self evaluation to decide if you want the responibility and an be trusted to carry a weapon. but do you really want to be unarmed if someone holds you at gunpoint and wants to say rape your wife?<br /><p><font size="2">My point was what if you are being robbed, you pull out your gun, and get a shot off at the robber. But you miss and one block away, a guy who was out walking his dog gets a slug in the back of his head.</font></p>
Cigar Sid
10-21-2006, 05:19 AM
<sup>Well I see what you're saying, but I think that falls into the
atigory of taking that responibility on yourself to go the the shooting
range and practie every once in a while so that if the time does come,
you'll know how to fire your weapon. And as far as him seeing you
pull out the weapon, I say hold onto it till it workes to your
advantage. Pull it out while his attentions drawn or his back is
turned. some might think it's cowardly, i got no problems
shooting a crminal in the back. He's not going to show me any
curtisy<br />
</sup>
<p>There was a time in my life when I seriously considered applying for a permit to carry. I was driving a sales route in some less-than-safe neighborhoods and most of the customers paid in cash. It wasn't uncommon for me to have 4 or 5 grand in my pocket every day. </p><p>I never had a problem, though, and never sought gun ownership. I think it's probably best that the ability to carry concealed weapons is left to the professionals. </p><p>I do have a bow in my house, so anyone thinking of breaking and entering beware. I'll put an arrow through your heart. </p><p> </p><p><img border="0" src="http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Green_Arrow_Quiver.jpg" /></p><p> </p><p> </p>
torker
10-21-2006, 05:29 AM
I'm already packing heat.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />
we definitley need guns here, because there are so many bad drivers in georgia
Sheeplovr
10-21-2006, 05:33 AM
<p><span class="postbody">I do have a bow in my house, so anyone thinking of breaking and entering beware. I'll put an arrow through your heart.</span></p><p>i'd like to learn how ot use a bow </p><p>kevin smith says its really hard </p><p>i wish there was a archery range in my park theres jsut the shooting range </p>
bobrobot
10-21-2006, 05:34 AM
<p><strong><font color="#000099">In the republican run USA, life is cheap, BUT... potatoes are cheaper!!! I never leave home w/out this!!!</font></strong></p><p><img height="352" src="http://www.backwardglances.com/images/potato%20gun.jpg" width="350" border="0" /></p>
ChrisTheCop
10-21-2006, 05:43 AM
yeah, what did those potato pellets ever do to you???<br />
On second thought, with <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/75/topic/53069/page/I_went_to_work_on_my_day_off__Whoops_.htm" target="_blank">Barney Fife over here (aka Chris The Cop) not knowing what day it is,</a> I'm not sure <em>anyone </em>should be carrying guns. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/blink.gif" /><br />
ChrisTheCop
10-21-2006, 05:49 AM
<p>HEY!!!</p><p><img width="300" height="100" border="0" src="http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/chrisnip.jpg" /> </p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHA!!!</p><p>Jesus, Chris! I damn near spit out my coffee!</p><p>Thanks. </p>
alexc
10-21-2006, 06:07 AM
I am just complete klutz.. so i personally shouldn't be carrying a gun.<br />
FUNKMAN
10-21-2006, 06:42 AM
<p>there are situations where a gun can save a life but it is most likely in the minority. in most case guns take lives.</p><p>that's why i carry one of these</p><p><img src="http://www.armorcast.com/grenades/picture/USGrenadeSm.jpg" border="0" /></p>
DarkHippie
10-21-2006, 08:34 AM
i would consider carrying a taser or some other non-lethal weapon if I absolutley needed it. I would never carry a gun. I don't want the onus of someone's life on me.
SatCam
10-21-2006, 08:46 AM
there are situations where a gun can save a life but it is most likely in the minority.
http://www.musicomh.com/anidifranco/ani-difranco.jpg
johnniewalker
10-21-2006, 08:47 AM
I don't own a gun and probably never will, but I don't like the idea of having every choice in the U.S. taken away from us that has some danger in it. We can't safeproof the world. The argument of enjoying life vs. safety is no argument anymore. You would look silly arguing that to MADD in these times. I think that's sad.<br />
bobrobot
10-21-2006, 08:48 AM
<p><strong>torker</strong> wrote:<br />I'm already packing heat.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /></p><p><strong><font color="#000099">weiners don't count!!!</font></strong></p><p><strong><font color="#000099"><img height="566" src="http://www.balloons.net/images/Miscellaneous_Inflatables/big/Kahn's%20Weiners.jpg" width="500" border="0" /></font></strong></p><p><strong><font color="#000099">not even bigguns!!!</font></strong></p>
<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by bobogolem on 10-21-06 @ 12:50 PM</span>
Fez4PrezN2008
10-21-2006, 09:28 AM
Every one should be allowed to carry a gun, but it should be one of those Davey Crocket style flint-lock deals that take about 5 minutes to reload. Lets see ya rob a bank with that. Security guard just throws a bucket of water on your powder horn and your're done for the day.
alwat
10-21-2006, 10:30 AM
Most victims of gun are people that they are close to.<br />
FezPaul
10-21-2006, 10:33 AM
<strong>alwat</strong> wrote:<br />Most victims of gun are people that they are close to.<br /><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier,monospace" size="2">Not if you have a scope.</font></strong></p>
BLZBUBBA
10-21-2006, 10:44 AM
<p> </p><p>I walk my dog late nights. I carry pepper spray with me at all times (I know, kinda gay). The only time I've even come close to using it was when someone's German Shepherd broke out of their fence and came running after me and my dog...barking the whole way. This thing acted like it wanted to rip my balls off. I reached for the pepper spray. I grabbed it from my shirt pocket and prepared to spray. This big German Shepherd ran up, sniffed at my dog's ass, and then ran back to the fence where it came from. </p><p>I think a person should be allowed to carry whatever makes them feel safe. I own a Glock but never carry it. I also own a shotgun. In Texas we're required to pay a fee and get a license after paying another fee and taking a course in order to carry a concealed handgun. I really think that's ridiculous. The having to pay that is. I don't feel I need to carry the handgun so I don't. But that should remain the individual's choice. </p><p>Deadly force is a level of protection I choose to reserve for home. If I lived in a large city I probably would carry a gun at night while walking my dog. But I probably wouldn't be out walking my dog after 10:00 pm in a large city anyway. </p><p>There are a number of considerations with gun purchases. Are there kids around? What kind of neighborhood do you live in? On and on. It's all about weighing your options, using common sense, and deciding what suits you. One thing though. A legal use of deadly force is an extreme situation outside the home. </p>
Doctor Z
10-21-2006, 11:15 AM
I think that I should be able to carry a gun... But no one else.
TheMojoPin
10-21-2006, 03:17 PM
<strong>Fez4PrezN2008</strong> wrote:<br />Every one should be allowed to carry a gun, but it should be one of those Davey Crocket style flint-lock deals that take about 5 minutes to reload. Lets see ya rob a bank with that. Security guard just throws a bucket of water on your powder horn and your're done for the day. <p>So awesome.</p>
I'm voting yes. I think its a great idea. Then again I love guns, So I guess I'm partial. My boyfriend has a nice Sig-Sauer, I also like his glock. He has a couple that I like, I guess I would have to go out and get my own though. Let's do a "Ron and Fez get your gun outing".
Don Stugots
10-21-2006, 08:40 PM
i dont know about carrying a gun but every home should have a gun for protection. someone i know has a snub nose .38 special with a .357 cylinder and a nice little targeting lazer on the side. <br />
Fez4PrezN2008
10-21-2006, 08:41 PM
<strong>Gaia</strong> wrote:<br />My boyfriend has a nice Sig-Sauer, I also like his <strike>gl </strike>cock. <p>fixed it for ya</p>
jagsfans
10-21-2006, 09:03 PM
<p>I don;t carry, but I live in Florida which is a concealed carry state. Due to the large number of residents whjo do carry, criminals rarely target us. They concentrate on tourists (usually intl) due to the limited chance of those people having guns. </p><p>I think it should be a right, but like in my state you should have to attend some course teaching basic gun safety and teaching you about when you can and cannot use your weapon. </p><p>A coworker of mine escaped certain death when he shot 2 criminals who tried to steal his car and force him into the trunk. He killed one of the two and badly wounded the other one. </p>
furie
10-21-2006, 09:31 PM
having carried a firearm as part of my job i have to say, no. most people are not responcible enough.
Don Stugots
10-21-2006, 09:34 PM
i am for it if there is training for it. no one should be able to just walk out of a store with one and carry it. One reason i am against it is that i already carry 2 cell phones, a wallet, ring of keys, cigar, cutter, matches XM radio (or Ipod). if i had to carry a gun i would need a man purse. <br />
PapaBear
10-21-2006, 09:44 PM
<p>I need to correct my first post. I did actually use a gun for protection once, but I wasn't carrying it. My Deadhead friends and I were having a small private party. A mob of assholes (mostly on steroids) tried to crash the party. My buddy grabbed his .22 revolver, and I grabbed my .380 Sterling out of the closet. They went away.</p><p>I don't feel the need to carry a gun, but I do wish my felony conviction didn't prohibit me from owning guns. My son will soon be getting his maternal Grandfather's old rifle. Funny thing is, by law, it will have to be stored under lock and key so I can't get to it.</p>
<strong>Fez4PrezN2008</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Gaia</strong> wrote:<br />My boyfriend has a nice Sig-Sauer, I also like his <strike>gl </strike>cock. <p>fixed it for ya</p><p>Thanks....It's always good to have friends who remind you of the things you love. </p>
dereckfishboy
10-22-2006, 02:30 AM
Thankfully the only thing I need a gun for in the midwest is putting a deer in the road out of it's misery. <br />
reeshy
10-22-2006, 03:56 AM
I don't think I should carry a gun....I KNOW I should carry a gun!!!!!!!<br />
Fez4PrezN2008
10-22-2006, 12:09 PM
<strong>Gaia</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Fez4PrezN2008</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Gaia</strong> wrote:<br />My boyfriend has a nice Sig-Sauer, I also like his <strike>gl </strike>cock. <p>fixed it for ya</p><p>Thanks....It's always good to have friends who remind you of the things you love. </p><p>This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for fighting, the other for fun.</p>
Contra
10-22-2006, 01:30 PM
I voted to leave it to a real hero, although personally I will be getting my carrying permit next year when I purchase my .45 SW ( or Ruger I haven't decided yet). Just for personal protection cause the urban scum are starting to get uppity and pulling house robberies and kiddnapings around here. All the worst of the Northeast are setting up shop in Allentown.
I agree with earlier posts that if you do decide to take up a gun hobby take the proper training. I've been shooting at ranges since I was fourteen. My uncle, an ex-marine, trained me. He used almost drill sergant-like tactics.
badmonkey
10-22-2006, 03:24 PM
<p>Guns should be issued to all airline passengers as they board the plane. If a terrorist brings his own, he'll have 2 vs the entire population of the airplane. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" /></p><p> </p><p>Badmonkey </p>
Cigar Sid
10-22-2006, 03:41 PM
Viginia required you to take a training safty corse in order to get a carrying or conseald permit. how many states don't require any sort of training?
Don Stugots
10-22-2006, 03:47 PM
<p> </p><strong>badmonkey</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Guns should be issued to all airline passengers as they board the plane. If a terrorist brings his own, he'll have 2 vs the entire population of the airplane. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" /></p><p> </p><p>Badmonkey </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>now you're talking. this way i can sleep on a four hour flight and not just sit there and stare at anyone that i think may be a terrorist and i also will not have to look around for the coffee pot with hot water to toss on the bastards. i also would not have to teach tuchas the cobra clutch. </p>
<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by STUGOTS1 on 10-22-06 @ 8:08 PM</span>
bobrobot
10-22-2006, 05:15 PM
<p><strong><font color="#000099">I would like to invent a suppository gun, that would keep crime on the run!!!</font></strong></p><p><strong><font color="#000099"><img height="304" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/thumb/1/12/Suppositories.jpg/300px-Suppositories.jpg" width="300" border="0" /><img height="151" src="http://www.fluency.paintedtarget.org/df/imgs/wpn_38revolver.jpg" width="200" border="0" /></font></strong></p>
DarkHippie
10-22-2006, 05:18 PM
Is there a gun specially made to kill zombies, cause I'll be first in line for that
FUNKMAN
10-22-2006, 06:05 PM
<strong>bobogolem</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font color="#000099">I would like to invent a suppository gun, that would keep crime on the run!!!</font></strong></p><p><strong><font color="#000099"><img height="304" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/thumb/1/12/Suppositories.jpg/300px-Suppositories.jpg" width="300" border="0" /><img height="151" src="http://www.fluency.paintedtarget.org/df/imgs/wpn_38revolver.jpg" width="200" border="0" /></font></strong></p><p>would probably kick the shit out of crime as well...</p><p> </p><p>Hi Bobo <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" /></p>
<strong>badmonkey</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Guns should be issued to all airline passengers as they board the plane. If a terrorist brings his own, he'll have 2 vs the entire population of the airplane. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" border="0" /></p><p> </p><p>Badmonkey </p><p><img height="300" src="http://www.quinnipiac.edu/Images/archiebunker.jpg" width="240" border="0" /></p>
FUNKMAN
10-23-2006, 05:33 AM
<strong>bobogolem</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font color="#000099">I would like to invent a suppository gun, that would keep crime on the run!!!</font></strong></p><p><strong><font color="#000099"><img height="304" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/thumb/1/12/Suppositories.jpg/300px-Suppositories.jpg" width="300" border="0" /><img height="151" src="http://www.fluency.paintedtarget.org/df/imgs/wpn_38revolver.jpg" width="200" border="0" /></font></strong></p><p>not to steal your thunder, just complimenting your masterpiece</p><p><img src="http://www.quacksolutions.com/images/PrepH.jpg" border="0" /></p>
bobrobot
10-23-2006, 06:17 AM
<p><font color="#000099" size="1"><strong>Soon this will degenerate into a conspiracy debate about Arlen Specter's Warren Commission "Single Suppository Theory!!!"</strong></font></p>
<strong>bobogolem</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#000099" size="1"><strong>Soon this will degenerate into a conspiracy debate about Arlen Specter's Warren Commission "Single Suppository Theory!!!"</strong></font></p><p>Such a bullet wouldn't be "pristine".</p>
bobrobot
10-23-2006, 07:08 AM
<p><strong><font color="#000099">Today I am carrying a bun, & should I encounter danger, my last meal will be delicious!!!</font></strong></p><p><img height="248" src="http://www.passagetoindia.net/Images/bun.jpg" width="251" border="0" /></p>
SouthSideJohnny
10-23-2006, 07:21 AM
<font face="Palatino Linotype">I ABSOLUTELY CARRY! </font><font face="Palatino Linotype"><p>With all due respect to Chris the Cop, it would be great if we lived in a society where we could rely on the professionals to stop crime before or while they are happening. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. The police are not able to prevent many crimes; they are there after the fact and hopefully arrest the scumbags. It is not realistic to expect the police to be everywhere all the time. There is a reported appellate opinion in D.C. that the police do not owe the public a duty to prevent crime. In most cases, the criminals are out on the street in no time. (Please don’t take offense to this Chris- I have several friends and relatives who are officers. My issue isn’t with police - it’s with not having enough prisons and not using the death penalty when warranted.)</p><p>In yesterday’s paper alone there were the following articles about recent crimes in South Florida: family of four (including 2 children under 5) shot point blank on the side of Florida’s turnpike; Danny Rolling (Gainesville Ripper) on death row for killing five UF students; 5 shitheads from Orlando Florida came down from Orlando and kidnapped and raped an 18 y/o girl in front of her boyfriend before shooting her in the head and leaving the boyfriend for dead on the side of the road - he lived, and is ready to testify against them so one of the suspects tried to have him killed from jail. These are aside from the DAILY articles about murders (along with rapes and muggings) in the area. Also, last week the local paper ran an article about how robbers are now preferring just to kill victims instead of leaving them alive after taking their belongings. No way am I putting my life (or the lives of my family) in the hands of a piece of shit criminal. No way am I going out like that! Neither is my wife - she carries as well and knows how and when to use it. We are both very responsible about it and shoot regularly. By the way, I am sure there are irresponsible people who carry, but every person I know that carries is very responsible about it. They shoot regularly and know that it isn’t something to be used to win an argument - it’s for life and death only. </p><p>Should the guy going to a bar every night carry? Hell no. In fact, in Florida, you cannot carry concealed in a bar, sporting event, school, etc. . . Is there a concern about bystanders? Of course, but most life and death crimes are not taking place in crowded malls - they are on the street when no one else is around.</p><p>The key is to be alert and aware of your surroundings at all times. I’m 6’4 / 300 lbs (from Grenoble, France) and can handle myself, but I have been in two situations where someone was coming at me and I could tell something bad was about to happen imminently (one in an alley and one in an empty parking lot). I’m not paranoid, and I could see it in their eyes and conduct that a friendly chat wasn’t about to happen. In both situations, I had my hand on my pistol ready to draw if necessary. Once the other guys saw that, they suddenly decided to change course.</p><p>In terms of a deterrent, 20/20 did a piece a few months back where they were interviewing prisoners (in for violent crime) and they asked what they looked for in picking a victim. They all said someone that didn’t look like a cop or that wasn’t carrying. That concerned them even more than dogs. When FL passed its CCW law in 1987, all we heard was there are going to be shootouts in the streets and it is going to look like the OK corral. Bullshit! It didn’t happen here, and it hasn’t happened anywhere the states pass concealed carry laws. What does happen? Crime goes down! Consistently in every state where they are passed. Yet, this "shootout" myth persists every time another state allows concealed carry. In Florida, over 539,000 licenses have been issued, but I can’t recall reading a single story about shootouts between licen
FUNKMAN
10-23-2006, 07:44 AM
<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>bobogolem</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font color="#000099" size="1"><strong>Soon this will degenerate into a conspiracy debate about Arlen Specter's Warren Commission "Single Suppository Theory!!!"</strong></font></p><p>Such a bullet wouldn't be "pristine".</p><p>it's one way to clean the bowels of society...</p><p> </p><p>i'm just throwing shit out there to see if it sticks <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" /></p>
FUNKMAN
10-23-2006, 07:59 AM
<p>couldn't the argument really be settled by determining whether owning guns have "saved" lives or "taken" lives. they most likely keep accounts of how many "killings with a gun" per year we have but i wonder or doubt they keep records on how many times a gun was used to prevent a killing.</p><p>i believe it is reasonable to guess that gun ownership "legal or illegal" has taken more lives than it has preserved. </p><p>to that one person who has preserved his or anothers life by owning a gun is enough for that person to determine people should own guns...</p><p>you get what i'm sayin? hopefully <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" /></p>
Aggie
10-23-2006, 09:21 AM
<p>I have one at home, but don't carry it. I could if I wanted, but I think the chances of an accident happening are a lot greater when it's out of the house. As a woman, I just like having one at home.</p><p>That's the one thing I love and hate about Texas how easy it is to get/carry but also how easy it is to get shot in rush hour traffice becuase an animal is pissed off for getting honked at or cut off.</p>
Yerdaddy
10-23-2006, 09:38 AM
<p>I can't find the stats FUKMAN was asking about, but I did find these at the <a href="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm#Crime" target="_blank">Department of Justice website</a>:</p><p><img height="281" src="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/ncsucr2.gif" width="372" border="0" /></p><p><img src="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/firearmnonfatalno.gif" border="0" /></p><p>What the fuck happened in 1993?</p>
<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><p>What the fuck happened in 1993?</p><img height="310" src="http://files.blog-city.com/files/A05/141484/p/f/clinton_inaugural_1993.jpg" width="461" border="0" />
FUNKMAN
10-23-2006, 12:27 PM
<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong>I can't find the stats FUKMAN was asking about</strong>, </p><p>what was that a fraudian slip you wisenheimer?</p>
BYOBKenobi
10-23-2006, 12:32 PM
<p>Holy shit! That was my favorite toy growing up. The potato gun RULES</p><p> </p><p> </p><strong>bobogolem</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><p><strong><font color="#000099">In the republican run USA, life is cheap, BUT... potatoes are cheaper!!! I never leave home w/out this!!!</font></strong></p><p><img height="352" src="http://www.backwardglances.com/images/potato%20gun.jpg" width="350" border="0" /></p>
SouthSideJohnny
10-23-2006, 02:17 PM
<p> </p><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>couldn't the argument really be settled by determining whether owning guns have "saved" lives or "taken" lives. they most likely keep accounts of how many "killings with a gun" per year we have but i wonder or doubt they keep records on how many times a gun was used to prevent a killing.</p><p>i believe it is reasonable to guess that gun ownership "legal or illegal" has taken more lives than it has preserved. </p><p>to that one person who has preserved his or anothers life by owning a gun is enough for that person to determine people should own guns...</p><p>you get what i'm sayin? hopefully <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>FUNKMAN - I totally get what you're saying, and it should be that easy to settle but it isn't. I'm not one of the "vast left wing media" conspiracy theorists, but the media rarely runs a story about someone using a gun to prevent a crime. Recently, my local paper is starting to run them more frequently. Also, in many, if not most, cases where a gun prevents a crime, it is never reported to the police or media. Aside from my own experiences, I personally know of two other instances, neither of which was reported anywhere. Therefore, the statistics will never be complete. Candidly, there are plenty of statistics out there which will support either position, so I won't try to link you to any going either way.</p>
Yerdaddy
10-23-2006, 02:34 PM
<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong>I can't find the stats FUKMAN was asking about</strong>, </p><p>what was that a <strong>fraudian</strong> slip you wisenheimer?</p><p>was that a Fritoian slip you Neidermeyer?</p>
FUNKMAN
10-23-2006, 03:03 PM
<strong>SouthSideJohnny</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>couldn't the argument really be settled by determining whether owning guns have "saved" lives or "taken" lives. they most likely keep accounts of how many "killings with a gun" per year we have but i wonder or doubt they keep records on how many times a gun was used to prevent a killing.</p><p>i believe it is reasonable to guess that gun ownership "legal or illegal" has taken more lives than it has preserved. </p><p>to that one person who has preserved his or anothers life by owning a gun is enough for that person to determine people should own guns...</p><p>you get what i'm sayin? hopefully <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" border="0" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>FUNKMAN - I totally get what you're saying, and it should be that easy to settle but it isn't. I'm not one of the "vast left wing media" conspiracy theorists, but the media rarely runs a story about someone using a gun to prevent a crime. Recently, my local paper is starting to run them more frequently. Also, in many, if not most, cases where a gun prevents a crime, it is never reported to the police or media. Aside from my own experiences, I personally know of two other instances, neither of which was reported anywhere. Therefore, the statistics will never be complete. Candidly, there are plenty of statistics out there which will support either position, so I won't try to link you to any going either way.</p><p>i totally respect your opinion SouthSideJohnny..</p><p>now that shmuck Yerdaddy, what a frikin banana he is...</p>
PapaBear
10-24-2006, 01:48 PM
<p><img src="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/firearmnonfatalno.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Nonfatal firearm-related crimes? So, is this chart telling us that people are shooting more accurately, now?</p>
watson
10-24-2006, 04:23 PM
I carry a weapon (gun) everyday! and no I am not a cop or a rent-a-cop, just a wackjob with a concealed weapons permit <br />
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