My son was attacked in school

[PapaBear]

<p>It was in the final minutes of the last class of the day, today. There was an old man substitute teacher, and he had absolutely no control over the class. There's a kid who doesn't like my son, for some reason. He's never been anything more than annoyance in the past, but today he was getting out of control.</p><p>The kid was throwing some stuff at my kid. Just as class was ending, he approached my kid with a lighter and an aerosol can and was saying, &quot;how&nbsp;much do you like your hair?&quot; My kid got him in a behind the back arm lock. That's when the substitute finally saw something was going on. He yelled at them to stop. My son released the kid (I've since told him to never let go of someone who is a threat, until you know that the teacher will take control). That's when the kid grabbed my kid by the throat. He was able to push him away, but his throat got pretty scratched up. The kid ran out of the class, got on his bus, and left.</p><p>This kid lives only about 200 yards from us, but I don't know exactly where. I'm so pissed that they would have a substitute teacher who can't control a class. My son has never been in a physical altercation in the 4 years he's lived with me. I'm just glad I taught him how to control someone who is a threat (I learned a lot in 4 years of bartending/bouncing). </p><p>Now the police are involved. I don't want the kid arrested. I just want to be assured that he's going to chill. With him living so close (and me not knowing where he lives) I'm worried he might get psycho and try to hurt our dog or something. And get this... When he ran out of the classroom, the sub tried to hold him. Now the kid wants to charge the sub with assault.</p><p>I'm guessing Monday morning should be interesting, since they ride the same bus. My son didn't ride the bus home today, because he had after school activities.</p>

[narc]

<p>If he could have left on the bus, why was he in class in the first place? </p><p>I know I never stuck around school the second I could leave (unless I had some sort of reason to stay after, which was frequently the case). </p><p>That's crazy though. I graduated from high school in the past 10 years and I never had to worry about physical violence. &nbsp;</p>

[PapaBear]

<p>If he could have left on the bus, why was he in class in the first place? </p><p></p><p>I don't understand the question. As far as I know, the kid did leave on the bus, but no one is really sure, because he ran out so fast. As for my son, he didn't leave on the bus, because he had after-school activities that lasted until 8PM tonight.</p><p>BTW... Both of them are 16, but my son is a Junior and the kid is a Freshman. I guess he's not the best student.</p>

[narc]

So I guess this was just as the bell rang to end the day or whatever? I'm just trying to get it straight in my head. When I was in H.S. it wasn't like you would be in class and then somebody could just run out and go home randomly on a bus from the class. Class would be dismissed and then everyone would leave or go elsewhere.<br />

[PapaBear]

<p>It was in the final minutes of the last class of the day. The bell rang when he had my kid by the throat.</p><p>Like I said... I don't want charges to be brought up on this kid, but I do want him to get some kind of help. Threatening to set another kid on fire isn't exactly normal behavior.</p>

[narc]

I'd go through the school. They usually have pretty good thingsd set up for this kind of thing. But it might be wise to keep it quiet. <br />

[Doctor Z]

What a faggot. Kids can be such pieces of shit.
<p>Give your son a pat on the back for the arm lock.

[HeyGuy]

<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><p>If he could have left on the bus, why was he in class in the first place? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I don't understand the question. As far as I know, the kid did leave on the bus, but no one is really sure, because he ran out so fast. As for my son, he didn't leave on the bus, because he had after-school activities that lasted until 8PM tonight.</p><p>BTW... Both of them are 16, but my son is a Junior and the kid is a Freshman. I guess he's not the best student.</p><p>Why is your son in the same class as a freshmen? I understand they are the same age, but I never had a class with any other students other then those in the same grade as me.</p>

[Doogie]

<p>Just as class was ending, he approached my kid with a lighter and an aerosol can and was saying, &quot;how&nbsp;much do you like your hair?&quot; </p><p>Ok I understand how you can have a lighter in the class, kids arent being frisked. But what the fuck is he doing with an aerosol can?? And why is it no one is going after this guy for being just plain old pshyco. Fucking schools today...just completely falling apart. And no real soultions on the horizon for fixing them.</p><p>Also some classes such as math and science can have kids from different grade levels in it (ie Earth Science, Trigonometry, etc.)</p>

[PapaBear]

<p>The class is an elective. It's Basic Technical Drawing (drafting). Any grade can take it. My kid has been interested in tech stuff like that, lately. His interests are all over the place. I was the same way in school. I guess it's why he and I have always had friends in all the &quot;cliques&quot; (Jocks, Brains, Geeks, Freaks, etc).</p><p>Go, Breakfast Club!</p><p>But what the fuck is he doing with an aerosol can?? </p><p>He didn't get a good look at the can, but he said it was dark colored. To quote my son... &quot;It looked like a can of Axe, or something&quot;. Lighters are prohibited, but they're easy to conceal.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by PapaBear on 10-28-06 @ 2:41 AM</span>

[whiteboy1457]

<p align="left">i dont now the district that you live in but from my own personal experiences in school your gonna have about 10 witnesses that didnt see anything till your son defended himself, which isnt good for him. till its all resovled its best for your kid not to ride the bus mainly b/c the drivers dont see a damn thing and you dont need to have any&nbsp;more altercations. as for the sub hes probally screwed cause he touched the kid in a &quot;inappropiate&quot; manner</p>

[Yerdaddy]

I understand you not wanting to get the kid arrested, but I think you need to make a paper trail until this thing with the crazy kid goes away. I'm sure things have changed since I was in high school during the depression <img height="238" src="http://www.multinet.no/~jonarne/Hjemmesia/Favorittartister/a_flock_of_seagulls/a_flock_of_seagulls_8.jpg" width="300" border="0" />&nbsp;and there's probably more involvement by the law in school violence cases, so you want to be able to demonstrate that the other kid was the aggressor if this thing gets to the point of legal action. You don't want it to become a &quot;he said, she said&quot; kind of deal because the kid's probably got psycho piece of shit parents that are going to claim that it was your kid's fault. You don't want a judge or the principle doing what they did when I was jumped by three older kids in school - punish everyone equally. I literally had my teeth kicked out of my head and I got detention for fighting - same as the fuckers who did it.&nbsp;Two&nbsp;of the little bastards ended up in&nbsp;jail for murder a couple years later, but they got off pretty much scott free for the shit they pulled on me.&nbsp;But when&nbsp;they&nbsp;jumped me the school wanted to treat it like boys being boys.&nbsp;Less hassle that way.&nbsp;Pay a visit to the local police station, tell someone what's going on and see what kind of paper trail you can get going and find out what your kid can and cannot do to defend himself. I think if you show you're the responsible party in the end you'll come out of this alot better off. Good luck. Hopefully this kid ends up with the ass-beating he needs.

[bobrobot]

<p><strong><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am sorry for yer troubles PB that is frightening &amp; awful. I think staying off the bus til some progress is made in dealing w/ the psycho kid is a really good idea. My daughter is in 6th grade &amp; we actually changed her bus stop to prevent some trouble from continuing, nothing physical, but creepy racist insults and torment from a couple other kids. It's good you taught yer son some self-defense, I taught my daughter some holds too &amp; the best way to break an attackers nose really fast. Good luck, I hope everything works out for your son &amp; you too!</font></strong></p><p><img height="410" src="http://antaka.iespana.es/Bruce%20Lee%20-%20Alive.jpg" width="289" border="0" /></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><p>. And get this... When he ran out of the classroom, the sub tried to hold him. Now the kid wants to charge the sub with assault.</p><p>its prob the parents more than the kid who wants to press charges</p><p>its too bad that some parents dont police their own kids, and nowadays kids will call child services if you do try to keep them in line</p><p>personally i blame whomever started this we cant physically discipline our kids</p>

[extracheese]

<p><font face="Arial" size="3">Karate is an excellent choice. Not only is it reliable self defense (since you dont need weapons and you always have your hands and feet) but it fosters self confidence and is a great workout.</font></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by extracheese on 10-28-06 @ 1:18 PM</span>

[Duke]

Just wondering but, if the kid lives so close to you, wouldnt your kid and the kid that was starting shit be on the same bus?<br />

[Team_Ramrod]

<p>Papa bear,</p><p>I have 3 kids, 4 year old twins and a 2 year old. When they were born I made that decision that I would protect them at all costs necessary (as I'm sure you and all other responsible fathers have). I knew, being 22 when my twins were born and not far from school, that bullies were a part of life. An unfortunate part but a part none the less. I said that if anyone were to hurt one of my kids unprovoked, or just do what bullies do, I would not speak with the child, I would not speak with the principle (because principles are a joke when it comes to this and they only control the school time incidents). I would find out where the child lives, take a drive to their house and confront the father. I would let the father know that if his child does anything/ says anything to my child I would come back and would kick the everliving shit out of him. I would let the fear in the father discipline that child.</p><p>Now I'm 6'2, 230 lbs of dynamic mass, therefore I can intimidate many males by this foolishness. If your not a physical dynamo such as myself maybe consider hiring some bouncers from a local club for a couple hundred to strong arm the litte pricks dad.</p>

[keithy_19]

<p>I'm sorry to hear about this Papa. Kid's suck. Just getting out of high school last year I know how kids act and how dumb it can be. You just have to keep your kids safety in mind, which you seem to be doing. </p><p>You should also lobby the school board to pay full time body guards to patrol the halls. </p><p><img height="371" src="http://www.collectr.com/ce/images/cpnorrisc.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

[FUNKMAN]

Sorry to hear it PB, thankfully he didn't get seriously hurt!&nbsp;&nbsp; looks like you're handling it the sensible way.

[narc]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>CampoNJ</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>PapaBear</strong> wrote:<br /><p>If he could have left on the bus, why was he in class in the first place? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I don't understand the question. As far as I know, the kid did leave on the bus, but no one is really sure, because he ran out so fast. As for my son, he didn't leave on the bus, because he had after-school activities that lasted until 8PM tonight.</p><p>BTW... Both of them are 16, but my son is a Junior and the kid is a Freshman. I guess he's not the best student.</p><p>Why is your son in the same class as a freshmen? I understand they are the same age, but I never had a class with any other students other then those in the same grade as me.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The only class where I WASN'T with people from different years was Social Studies classes. Which is ironic because it was by far my best class, and the class where, if anything, I should've been &quot;advanced.&quot; But my HS had a policy of not doing that for Social Studies classes for some unknown reason. </p><p>Our English classes were great though. After Freshman year, you got to choose it every semester or so on an elective basis what class you wanted to take. &nbsp;</p>

[PapaBear]

Thanks for all the good advice (and the bad advice, too). Turns out, the kid's father is REALLY pissed at his son. I guess that's one good sign.

[reillyluck]

you're a good papa, papabear!&nbsp;my first instinct would be&nbsp;to find out where the kid lives and address the situation with his parents.&nbsp; Letting them know whats going on.&nbsp;since you mentioned that his father knows and is pissed, the next question would be is what is he going to do about it so it doesnt happen again?&nbsp; did you try going to school and having a meeting with the school and the childs parents?&nbsp; with the parents having to come into school and make arrangements to go usually pisses the parents off even more and more punishment is given to the child because of the waste of time they are being put through.&nbsp;

[angrymissy]

<p>Really really sorry to hear this, since my brother was recently attacked @ school as well.</p><p>The school took it VERY seriously.&nbsp; How old is your son? &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[angrymissy]

<p>I know you said you don't want the kid to be arrested, but you should look into getting a temporary restraining order, especially if your worried about your family/dog.&nbsp; After what happened to my brother, the police scared the shit out of the kid and he hasn't tried anything like coming near the house (lives a few blocks away just like this situation)<br /></p>

[angelinad128]

<p>Why are HS kids such assholes now? This is happening way too frequently now.</p><p>At least your son was able to defend himself.&nbsp; What is the school going to do? I dont remember reading you mentioning what the school will do, especially since he has evidence on&nbsp;his neck.&nbsp;</p><p>Reading about all these school attacks is making me very nervous about my daughter. She will be going to a new school soon where she will need to be on a school bus.&nbsp; She is only 9 and just the sweetest kid, a&nbsp;perfect target.</p>

[Sheeplovr]

can any more whitnesses post so we get the story on all angles<br />

[ChimneyFish]

<strong>Sheeplovr</strong> wrote:<br />can any more whitnesses post so we get the story on all angles<br /><p><img src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/luxa1/140099.jpg" border="0" /></p><p><strong><em><font face="georgia,times new roman,times,serif" size="2">I'm guessing that, in VA, the kids have school on Saturdays????</font></em></strong></p>

[ChimneyFish]

<strong><em><font face="georgia,times new roman,times,serif" size="2">That's what I figured.</font></em></strong>

[nate1000]

Fuck that brat- press charges. Consider it a favor. Clearly this kid has issues- those are not going to go away unless they are dealt with. And if this situation is not dealt with in a severe manner, the kid will likely continue with this fucked&nbsp; up behavior until he hurts someone. Believe me a week in juvi beats the&nbsp;hell out of a year in couny on an assault rap. &nbsp;