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BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 12:09 PM

1. Does anyone else feel like every politician has forgotten why they do what they do?  I really don't feel like any candidate in any race I've checked out had any idea why they should want to be in the government.  It feels like all they worry about now is positioning themselves the right way to get elected.  Then once they are there all they do is go with whatever position will keep them in their seats.Whatever happened to government being a group of people that have our country's best interests in mind?  I mean, there are going to be times that things have to be done that are going to make the public unhappy.  There will be times when what is right in a specific situation goes against the party line.  There will be times you will agree with your "enemy" in the senate or the house or... god forbid...the president regardless of where you stand on the issues or the person.  This is why it hurts me to pick a side.  I believe in small govt, more money in our pockets, national defense, and all that jive, but I am also for porno, gambling, booze, violent video games, govt staying out of our personal lives, etc.  What ever happened to the candidates that were one side or the other but had their own take on things?  Why can't there be a republican candidate that is socially liberal?  Or a liberal who believes in smaller govt and a strong military (and coughiraqwarcough). Take the Iraq war for example.  It would be EXTREMELY unpopular if the government sent over a massive force at this point to really drive home the fact that we aren't going to give up and that we'll be there until those people can run themselves peacefully.  Because it's so massively unpopular, and because their paychecks don't follow them into "retirement" aka loser in the next election, they just go with what they believe will make more people vote.  Also, if you are a democrat, how are you going to go back to the dem voting afterparty and look your boys in the eye when you just sent another 500,000 troops to Iraq... waaaaay against your party's line?I'm tired of the way the parties dance around each other and just do things to posture themselves on opposite ends of the spectrum for votes.  For the next 2 years we're going to see the house and senate fucking with the president, doing everything they can to prove that a republican president doesn't work, so they can get a democrat there in 08.Why?  Why have you forgotten us, government?  Just do what's best for the USA.  Stop being such transparently crooked pieces of garbage.2. The adds I saw this year were pretty much all "This guy sided with BUSH!  Do you really want to give Bush what he wants?  Elect this other guy."  Why vilinize the leader of this country?  Like it or not he will be here for 2 more years.  Why not use these 2 years to get things going instead of making it obvious that the only reason that we should vote for your candidate is because he will not do anything the president agrees with?  That's like voting for a 2 year stalemate.  WRYYYYYYYYYYYY!  I'm so god damn frustrated.

This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-9-06 @ 4:14 PM

torker

11-09-2006, 12:14 PM

vote keithy_19

Furtherman

11-09-2006, 12:25 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: Whatever happened to government being a group of people that have our country's best interests in mind?   They just got voted in.

Doctor Manhattan

11-09-2006, 12:26 PM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/87/topic/53543">Two Problems with Politics</a> = <img src="http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6417/democratfg6.jpg" border="0" /> & <img height="70" src="http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2752/republicanqz1.jpg" width="116" border="0" />

FezPaul

11-09-2006, 12:38 PM

Furtherman wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: Whatever happened to government being a group of people that have our country's best interests in mind?   They just got voted in.Doc Manhattan has the right answer.You sir, are naive.

FUNKMAN

11-09-2006, 12:47 PM

the almighty<img height="180" src="http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uploads/two.jpg" width="432" border="0" />you said two so....for McGreevey it would be the 3 dollar bill    <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

HBox

11-09-2006, 12:50 PM

Take the Iraq war for example. 
It would be EXTREMELY unpopular if the government sent over a massive
force at this point to really drive home the fact that we aren't going
to give up and that we'll be there until those people can run
themselves peacefully.  Because it's so massively unpopular, and
because their paychecks don't follow them into "retirement" aka loser
in the next election, they just go with what they believe will make
more people vote.Oh.... my..... god. That's EXACTLY what's going on. HOLEE SHIT! WE HAVE SOME KIND OF DEMOCRACY GOING ON HERE!!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!!

Furtherman

11-09-2006, 12:52 PM

FezPaul wrote: Furtherman wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: Whatever happened to government being a group of people that have our country's best interests in mind?   They just got voted in.Doc Manhattan has the right answer.You sir, are naive.It was more of a joke.  Old Ben is a little hopped up on the Democratic win and he'll get no answers here, or anywhere for that matter.

BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 12:55 PM

HBox wrote:  Take the Iraq war for example.  It would be EXTREMELY unpopular if the government sent over a massive force at this point to really drive home the fact that we aren't going to give up and that we'll be there until those people can run themselves peacefully.  Because it's so massively unpopular, and because their paychecks don't follow them into "retirement" aka loser in the next election, they just go with what they believe will make more people vote.  Oh.... my..... god. That's EXACTLY what's going on. HOLEE SHIT! WE HAVE SOME KIND OF DEMOCRACY GOING ON HERE!!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!! Would wrapping up the war in a year instead of 10 years make people happy?  You bet your ass it would.  Unfortuantely, the force it takes to win is unpopular, and winning with a skeleton force over the course of a decade is VERY unpopular, so there's no right way if all you're trying to do is make people happy NOW instead of doing what's best for the country (which will then, of course, make everyone happy)

Fezticle98

11-09-2006, 12:55 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: the almighty<img height="180" src="http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uploads/two.jpg" width="432" border="0" />you said two so....for McGreevey it would be the 3 dollar bill    <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />Colin Quinn, Weekend Update:[photo of the new $20 bill] Starting this week, the Federal Reserve will release a re-designed version of the 20-dollar bill. The new bill will have new security features such as a visible watermark, security thread, and color-shifting ink, which will make it impossible to counterfeit....I don't know, our graphics department [jerks his thumb at the photo] didn't seem to have much trouble.

BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 12:56 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/87/topic/53543">Two Problems with Politics</a> = <img src="http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6417/democratfg6.jpg" border="0" /> & <img height="70" src="http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2752/republicanqz1.jpg" width="116" border="0" />  Now I can't remember who it was on RF that said it, but I am registering as an independent to show that I won't vote just because you tow the party line.  That was the best advice ever.

FezPaul

11-09-2006, 12:58 PM

Furtherman wrote: FezPaul wrote: Furtherman wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: Whatever happened to government being a group of people that have our country's best interests in mind?   They just got voted in.Doc Manhattan has the right answer.You sir, are naive.It was more of a joke.  Old Ben is a little hopped up on the Democratic win and he'll get no answers here, or anywhere for that matter.Call me Larry Literal. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" />

HBox

11-09-2006, 01:00 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: HBox wrote: Take the Iraq war for example. It would be EXTREMELY unpopular if the government sent over a massive force at this point to really drive home the fact that we aren't going to give up and that we'll be there until those people can run themselves peacefully. Because it's so massively unpopular, and because their paychecks don't follow them into "retirement" aka loser in the next election, they just go with what they believe will make more people vote. Oh.... my..... god. That's EXACTLY what's going on. HOLEE SHIT! WE HAVE SOME KIND OF DEMOCRACY GOING ON HERE!!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!! Would wrapping up the war in a year instead of 10 years make people happy? You bet your ass it would. Unfortuantely, the force it takes to win is unpopular, and winning with a skeleton force over the course of a decade is VERY unpopular, so there's no right way if all you're trying to do is make people happy NOW instead of doing what's best for the country (which will then, of course, make everyone happy)  If people thought this was a war worth it they would. They don't.

BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 01:06 PM

It doesn't matter if it's worth it.  We're in it.  Now it's too late to play politics on why.  We need to square them away so we don't have to worry about them later.If you don't believe that we need to cover our tracks to avoid later problems then I don't know what to say. PS. I could care less who wins.  I just don't want to deal with the next 2 years of posturing to prepare for the 08 election. (and then if the republicans win in 08... lol... then 2 more years of problems).   I just want people to do what's best for us.  I don't know if what's best for us has been done, but I don't see anything at all happeneing until at least 08

FezPaul

11-09-2006, 01:09 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: It doesn't matter if it's worth it.  We're in it.  Now it's too late to play politics on why.  We need to square them away so we don't have to worry about them later.If you don't believe that we need to cover our tracks to avoid later problems then I don't know what to say. PS. I could care less who wins.  I just don't want to deal with the next 2 years of posturing to prepare for the 08 election. (and then if the republicans win in 08... lol... then 2 more years of problems).   I just want people to do what's best for us.  I don't know if what's best for us has been done, but I don't see anything at all happeneing until at least 08I miss larger font BYOBKenobi.

HBox

11-09-2006, 01:16 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: It doesn't matter if it's worth it. We're in it. Now it's too late to play politics on why. We need to square them away so we don't have to worry about them later.If you don't believe that we need to cover our tracks to avoid later problems then I don't know what to say. PS. I could care less who wins. I just don't want to deal with the next 2 years of posturing to prepare for the 08 election. (and then if the republicans win in 08... lol... then 2 more years of problems). I just want people to do what's best for us. I don't know if what's best for us has been done, but I don't see anything at all happeneing until at least 08  This isn't playing politics. People do not want our troops in Iraq anymore.And I don't think cover our tracks is the best way to say it, it suggests that we did something with a malicious intent and now we want to hide it. But I get your point. I think that almost everything that has happened to destabilize Iraq has been in one way or another our fault, the biggest being taking out Saddam in the first place. And I don't think there's much hope of us doing anything to fix the situation by ourselves.

Dudeman

11-09-2006, 01:23 PM

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BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 01:25 PM

FezPaul wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: It doesn't matter if it's worth it.  We're in it.  Now it's too late to play politics on why.  We need to square them away so we don't have to worry about them later.If you don't believe that we need to cover our tracks to avoid later problems then I don't know what to say. PS. I could care less who wins.  I just don't want to deal with the next 2 years of posturing to prepare for the 08 election. (and then if the republicans win in 08... lol... then 2 more years of problems).   I just want people to do what's best for us.  I don't know if what's best for us has been done, but I don't see anything at all happeneing until at least 08I miss larger font BYOBKenobi.I keep forgetting, sorry about that

BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 01:28 PM

HBox wrote: This isn't playing politics. People do not want our troops in Iraq anymore. And I don't think cover our tracks is the best way to say it, it suggests that we did something with a malicious intent and now we want to hide it. But I get your point. I think that almost everything that has happened to destabilize Iraq has been in one way or another our fault, the biggest being taking out Saddam in the first place. And I don't think there's much hope of us doing anything to fix the situation by ourselves. Iraq is a mess, we have a chance to fix it so we don't end up back there in 5 years (again).  Things will go one way or the other regardless of what I think, but I'd like to see Iraq as a friendly nation and will stand by what it takes to get there.

HBox

11-09-2006, 01:37 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: FezPaul wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: It doesn't matter if it's worth it. We're in it. Now it's too late to play politics on why. We need to square them away so we don't have to worry about them later.If you don't believe that we need to cover our tracks to avoid later problems then I don't know what to say. PS. I could care less who wins. I just don't want to deal with the next 2 years of posturing to prepare for the 08 election. (and then if the republicans win in 08... lol... then 2 more years of problems). I just want people to do what's best for us. I don't know if what's best for us has been done, but I don't see anything at all happeneing until at least 08I miss larger font BYOBKenobi.I keep forgetting, sorry about that  I miss not quite that large font BYOBKenobi.

SouthSideJohnny

11-09-2006, 01:40 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: Now I can't remember who it was on RF that said it, but I am registering as an independent to show that I won't vote just because you tow the party line. That was the best advice ever. It was Lou Dobbs.  I registered as a Libertarian several years ago.  It's not a perfect platform by any means, but it comes closest to representing my issues.  Short version - minimize government involvement with personal and fiscal issues. I don't want the government involved with my business or my personal life. I don't agree with their views on an open border, but neither of the big two parties are doing anything about that issue anyways.   I was basically a republican, but the republicans (including Bush) today are not even close to acting conservatively.  I was never a fan of Pat Buchanan, but his book "Where the Right Went Wrong" was outstanding.  Lifelong democrats probably don't like him and won't like the book, but I thought it was an interesting read about where our country is heading.

BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 01:42 PM

HBox wrote:  BYOBKenobi wrote: FezPaul wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: It doesn't matter if it's worth it. We're in it. Now it's too late to play politics on why. We need to square them away so we don't have to worry about them later.If you don't believe that we need to cover our tracks to avoid later problems then I don't know what to say. PS. I could care less who wins. I just don't want to deal with the next 2 years of posturing to prepare for the 08 election. (and then if the republicans win in 08... lol... then 2 more years of problems). I just want people to do what's best for us. I don't know if what's best for us has been done, but I don't see anything at all happeneing until at least 08I miss larger font BYOBKenobi.I keep forgetting, sorry about that  I miss not quite that large font BYOBKenobi.Hiya Budday!

Yerdaddy

11-09-2006, 02:18 PM

I don't think politics is really your "thing".

BYOBKenobi

11-09-2006, 02:36 PM

You're right.  I hate it.  I listen to political talk radio (used to listen all the time) do my research and try to know what's going on, but more and more I'm turned off by the fact that I can't stand by anyone and to stand and watch things go by proves even more frustrating.  I just want to feel that things are being done in our best interest.  I used to feel that way.  I used to feel like republicans had it figured out... then I realized I really can't stand half of what they have to say.  I tried researching democrats, and don't feel any connection there either.  From the news all I see is posturing and BS that's all about the vote... not about what's best.I just want to feel like the govt is doing the right thing or that the people that aren't are being voted out and the people that will do the right thing are gaining popularity.It just doesn't feel right anymore.  I can't listen to political talk much anymore.  The news just pisses me off, and trying to find out what politicians stand for without going through hours of voting records is impossible.You're right, yerdaddy... it's just not my thing, but it scares me to think that I have to just sit back and let everyone else make the choices for me instead of being an active part of it like I've always been.

This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-9-06 @ 6:36 PM