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Davios

11-14-2006, 01:31 PM

Read a story by this guy in last month's Maxim. Apparantly he was a pretty big Hollywood agent, he was Steve Soderbergh's agent and manager, and gave it up to film a documentary called Young Americans which basically follows Marines stationed in some of Iraq's more dangerous areas including Ramadi.He claims to have been a a very big liberal prior to going off to film this thing, although I'm not sure I really buy that. Anyway his website has some really interesting stuff on it. Apparantly he leans very much to the right. I'm not quite sure what to make of the clips, at times it doesn't portray the young marines in the best light. However, at the same time it makes them incredibly human and real to me. As far as the documentary on the whole, Dollard is obviously trying to put a right- wing spin on the war in Iraq claiming that these soldiers all want to be there. I personally have mixed feelings on the entire situation like most other people, and Dollard does kind of turn me off. I am sure some of these kids are genuine in their wanting to be there, I'm sure some of them might be hamming it up for the camera, and I'm sure there are others who don't feel the same as Pat but simply aren't given any face time. Anyway, check it out considering it is a pretty gritty view of what is really going on with young soldiers in Iraq. <a href="http://www.patdollard.com/templates/section-view.php?id=1">http://www.patdollard.com/templates/section-view.php?id=1</a><a href="http://www.patdollard.com/"></a>

johnniewalker

11-14-2006, 02:05 PM

Definately a cool watch. There is no comparison between a college life and going straight to war. These guys become men and college students are still children. It's a job, but there's so much honor and respect that goes into it. I think they take an apolitical stance towards it and that's why we take such an apolitical stance towards them. Very cool. It's also unbelievable what these groups do in terms of their lack of humanity.  Mortaring tents, mess halls, murdering families and workers.  In the end no one is going to hold them accountable, yet our troops are held to very high standards of rules of engagement.  Sometimes I feel like we are the British in the Patriot and Mel Gibson is resorting to all his different tactics that aren't proper and thought disgusting by the British. Its fucking disgusting. 

This message was edited by johnniewalker on 11-14-06 @ 6:15 PM

foodcourtdruide

11-14-2006, 02:14 PM

johnniewalker wrote: Definately a cool watch.  There is no comparison between a college life and going straight to war.  These guys become men and college students are still children.  It's a job, but there's so much honor and respect that goes into it.  I think they take an apolitical stance towards it and that's why we take such an apolitical stance towards them.  Very cool. I think you're generalizing a bit.

torker

11-14-2006, 02:29 PM

Any relation to Creflo?<img height="175" src="http://www.tbn.org/watch/images/programs/creflodollar.jpg" width="175" border="0" />

johnniewalker

11-14-2006, 02:37 PM

foodcourtdruide wrote: johnniewalker wrote: Definately a cool watch. There is no comparison between a college life and going straight to war. These guys become men and college students are still children. It's a job, but there's so much honor and respect that goes into it. I think they take an apolitical stance towards it and that's why we take such an apolitical stance towards them. Very cool. I think you're generalizing a bit. Maybe I worded it wrong. There is no doubt that going through the military changes you. The person that goes in is very different from the person who returns. That's the idea of college, but it lacks force to change a person like the military. This is a generalization, but the most intelligent people I've ever met have had military backgrounds. "Intelligence", however you truly define it,  is highly based on your work ethic. The class discussion from vets offers a different perspective. While apolitical in the military, many of the people I've met that come out of the military are highly opinionated. After 6 years of school now, it's something I don't see often in most classrooms today. 

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foodcourtdruide

11-15-2006, 05:41 AM

johnniewalker wrote: foodcourtdruide wrote: johnniewalker wrote: Definately a cool watch. There is no comparison between a college life and going straight to war. These guys become men and college students are still children. It's a job, but there's so much honor and respect that goes into it. I think they take an apolitical stance towards it and that's why we take such an apolitical stance towards them. Very cool. I think you're generalizing a bit. Maybe I worded it wrong. There is no doubt that going through the military changes you. The person that goes in is very different from the person who returns. That's the idea of college, but it lacks force to change a person like the military. This is a generalization, but the most intelligent people I've ever met have had military backgrounds. "Intelligence", however you truly define it,  is highly based on your work ethic. The class discussion from vets offers a different perspective. While apolitical in the military, many of the people I've met that come out of the military are highly opinionated. After 6 years of school now, it's something I don't see often in most classrooms today. This message was edited by johnniewalker on 11-14-06 @ 6:40 PM I think it varies from case to case. I'd say some of the most intelligent people I've met have been from academic backgrounds. Some military people I've met have been narrow-minded and had extremely modern (as opposed to post-modern) minds. I'd never think that everyone from the military was like that, but I'm just trying to give an example of how ones own experiences can mean nothing.

johnniewalker

11-15-2006, 08:56 AM

foodcourtdruide wrote: johnniewalker wrote: foodcourtdruide wrote: johnniewalker wrote: Definately a cool watch. There is no comparison between a college life and going straight to war. These guys become men and college students are still children. It's a job, but there's so much honor and respect that goes into it. I think they take an apolitical stance towards it and that's why we take such an apolitical stance towards them. Very cool. I think you're generalizing a bit. Maybe I worded it wrong. There is no doubt that going through the military changes you. The person that goes in is very different from the person who returns. That's the idea of college, but it lacks force to change a person like the military. This is a generalization, but the most intelligent people I've ever met have had military backgrounds. "Intelligence", however you truly define it,  is highly based on your work ethic. The class discussion from vets offers a different perspective. While apolitical in the military, many of the people I've met that come out of the military are highly opinionated. After 6 years of school now, it's something I don't see often in most classrooms today. This message was edited by johnniewalker on 11-14-06 @ 6:40 PM I think it varies from case to case. I'd say some of the most intelligent people I've met have been from academic backgrounds. Some military people I've met have been narrow-minded and had extremely modern (as opposed to post-modern) minds. I'd never think that everyone from the military was like that, but I'm just trying to give an example of how ones own experiences can mean nothing. It's interesting that people can feel its easy to discount something because its just an opinion.   I think its because of a blurring of what an opinion is.  You act as if people say things based on nothing.  I think its kind of an equality argument which is analgous to 1 vote per person.  Everyone has ideas, they should be treated equally and we all get one vote.  There are billions of people, and since you are one your experiences are meaningless. We are also taught in school to look at all theories equally. Plato had good ideas, but so did Sartre, and nietzsche's aren't that bad either.  As an idealogue of equality you ignore the inconsistancies in trying to perfectly equating indiviual's opinions into complex ideas that don't mesh perfectly.  I'd agree my experience chewing gum can mean nothing, but experiences that relate to an idea shared by many people means something and carries significant weight.  Say in your experiences you observe that all people always act in the same way in certain situations, and this leads you to believe we don't have free will.  Is that just an opinion that means nothing?   This is idea is shared by numerous people.  Its a common defense mechanism to just say its an opinion and yours carrys no more weight than mine, but that eliminates your need to think about it.  Its not true that each is equal to me and its obviously true to you.  The difference should be seen in why you think so.  Its not a wash just because we are all entitled to an opinion.