Paper money ruled unconstitutional. [Archive]

Tenbatsuzen

11-29-2006, 06:25 AM

O&A were talking about this this morning, and someone brought up debit cards... Technically, for something to be unconstitutional, doesn't it mean there's no other way around the situation?  I think debit cards, with direct deposit for their welfare money and/or paycheck solves the problem instead of changing the entire printing system for a small minority of people. I mean, yes, you still have to deal with the honesty of the clerks, but the crux is that blind people can't tell what money they are holding, NOT if clerks are being honest or not.  You can have a braille 20 dollar bill, and still be charged 18 dollars for a dozen eggs.

Yerdaddy

11-29-2006, 06:26 AM

I don't see the problem. (And neither to the blind people!)"Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations," Robertson wrote. "More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired." Even Yemen and Egypt - two broke-ass countries - print different sizes for different denominations. Australia has different sizes, different colors and it looks and feel like paper but it's plastic and is impossible to tear. It's pretty fucking cool as far as money goes.We're obviously already behind the ball on this one.

KC2OSO

11-29-2006, 06:29 AM

It's about time this was at least thought about.  I don't advocate the giant European bills with pictures of birds and shit on them etc. but there should be a size difference. This will never happen though because of all the retrofitting of ATM's etc that would have to take place.

Yerdaddy

11-29-2006, 06:38 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: O&A were talking about this this morning, and someone brought up debit cards... Technically, for something to be unconstitutional, doesn't it mean there's no other way around the situation?  I think debit cards, with direct deposit for their welfare money and/or paycheck solves the problem instead of changing the entire printing system for a small minority of people. I mean, yes, you still have to deal with the honesty of the clerks, but the crux is that blind people can't tell what money they are holding, NOT if clerks are being honest or not.  You can have a braille 20 dollar bill, and still be charged 18 dollars for a dozen eggs. If the blind still have to depend on the honesty of cashiers then it's not exactly a way around it.What I don't understand is this: in 1996, and an infrared feature was added to encourage the development of electronic readers for the blind. Why would you spend money on a high-tech change to the bills that require more high-tech machines to be used by the blind when you could have used 18th century technology to poke holes in the bills and they can use their low-tech hands to read it? Or just change the sizes, which is easier on everyone, I've learned?I'd bet that change came from a lobbyist for a technology company that got the contract to design the infrared printing system and/or the electronic readers. We probably got ripped off, and so did the blind.

A.J.

11-29-2006, 06:44 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: I don't see the problem. (And neither to the blind people!)"Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations," Robertson wrote. "More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired." Even Yemen and Egypt - two broke-ass countries - print different sizes for different denominations. Australia has different sizes, different colors and it looks and feel like paper but it's plastic and is impossible to tear. It's pretty fucking cool as far as money goes.We're obviously already behind the ball on this one.Yeah: the Saudi 500 Riyal bill, their largest, was like a sheet of paper compared to our currency!Conversely, the Europeans have stuff the size of Post-It Notes.

Yerdaddy

11-29-2006, 06:45 AM

KC2OSO wrote: It's about time this was at least thought about.  I don't advocate the giant European bills with pictures of birds and shit on them etc. but there should be a size difference. This will never happen though because of all the retrofitting of ATM's etc that would have to take place.  Yemen uses the same ATM designs to dispense their own currency and it works fine except for one problem: thier largest bill is 1000 ryals, which is about $5. That meant before they gave me the option of withdrawing US currency I could only withdraw about $120 at a time. Cost me a fucking fortune in fees to withdraw my $900 in tuition! A year later, they upgraded their machines to have bigger slots. Yemen has a per capita GDP of about $500 per year. It's obviously not that expensive.

Yerdaddy

11-29-2006, 06:48 AM

Yeah: the Saudi 500 Riyal bill, their largest, was like a sheet of paper compared to our currency!I imagine they designed their money to double as a prayer mat. Sort of merging their two deities.

Tenbatsuzen

11-29-2006, 06:50 AM

Does Egypt and Yemen have as much of a problem with counterfitting that we do? What about putting a notch in the bill?

johnniewalker

11-29-2006, 07:07 AM

Why do people get so worried about a district court decision?  Who cares, put some bumps in the dollar bills.

Yerdaddy

11-29-2006, 07:08 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Does Egypt and Yemen have as much of a problem with counterfitting that we do? What about putting a notch in the bill?  Who would counterfeit a $5 bill?!Actually they have a problem with counterfeit US bills, as does most of the world. That's because US currency is accepted virtually everywhere. (Motherfuckers in Egypt want to give me half-price for my Yemeni ryals, but they floated the currency so they can't fuck me for my US money.) I think most counterfeit US money is circulated outside the States. It's got to be infinitely harder to get caught in Yemen.However, I can't imagine why changing money size IS one more layer of anti-counterfeit protection. Anyone who's got a machine printing fake $20s now - mostly in North Korea - will need to make the same changes we would. It's about staying one step ahead of them, and this will be one more step as well as helping the blind, (AKA: Hottub's dating pool).

KC2OSO

11-29-2006, 07:09 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: KC2OSO wrote: It's about time this was at least thought about. I don't advocate the giant European bills with pictures of birds and shit on them etc. but there should be a size difference. This will never happen though because of all the retrofitting of ATM's etc that would have to take place. Yemen uses the same ATM designs to dispense their own currency and it works fine except for one problem: thier largest bill is 1000 ryals, which is about $5. That meant before they gave me the option of withdrawing US currency I could only withdraw about $120 at a time. Cost me a fucking fortune in fees to withdraw my $900 in tuition! A year later, they upgraded their machines to have bigger slots. Yemen has a per capita GDP of about $500 per year. It's obviously not that expensive.Interesting.  I imagine just the guts of the machines would have to be redesigned.  An ATM is just a PC in a box with a money dispenser (launderer). I drove two blind people around Hackensack for two summers in during college and money was one of their biggest problems when I wasn't with them.  They were really cool people and very self-sufficient - other than driving that is...

Yerdaddy

11-29-2006, 07:12 AM

johnniewalker wrote: Why do people get so worried about a district court decision?  Who cares, put some bumps in the dollar bills. You mean give George Washington ghetto booty? I like it! He could go from being "The father of our nation" to "Our country's mamma".

torker

11-29-2006, 07:28 AM

Do what Ray Charles did, only use singles.

K.C.

11-29-2006, 11:10 AM

If you're a strict constitutionist, it's always been unconstitutional. It's been a while since I looked at it, but I think it says something about only gold being legal tender.

Furtherman

11-29-2006, 12:39 PM

At first, the amount of dollars we had was proportional to the amount of gold the U.S. had.That's been out of whack for so long that literaly speaking, the money we have today isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

furie

11-29-2006, 01:28 PM

Aren't we moving away from paper money as a society?

lleeder

11-29-2006, 03:24 PM

johnniewalker wrote: Why do people get so worried about a district court decision?  Who cares, put some bumps in the dollar bills. Here are some bumps for your dollar bills<img src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1905000/images/_1906823_cocaine_pile300.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="180" />

sailor

11-29-2006, 03:32 PM

Yerdaddy wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Does Egypt and Yemen have as much of a problem with counterfitting that we do? What about putting a notch in the bill?  Who would counterfeit a $5 bill?!Actually they have a problem with counterfeit US bills, as does most of the world. That's because US currency is accepted virtually everywhere. (Motherfuckers in Egypt want to give me half-price for my Yemeni ryals, but they floated the currency so they can't fuck me for my US money.) I think most counterfeit US money is circulated outside the States. It's got to be infinitely harder to get caught in Yemen.However, I can't imagine why changing money size IS one more layer of anti-counterfeit protection. Anyone who's got a machine printing fake $20s now - mostly in North Korea - will need to make the same changes we would. It's about staying one step ahead of them, and this will be one more step as well as helping the blind, (AKA: Hottub's dating pool). actually i read a year or two ago that the euro was rapidly supplanting the dollar as a defacto world currency (primarily amonst drug and arms dealers).  one of the points i remember was that their top valued bill was larger, making transport of huge sums of money much easier. as for punching holes in the currency, what's to stop someone from punching fake holes, altering the apparent value of the bill?  i'm not that up-to-speed on the whole braille thing, so i don't know how that would work.  also, more and more people are using cards instead of cash (i think there's a "is cash dead" thread on here somewhere), so wouldn't the blind still have to rely on the honesty of others for these transactions?

sr71blackbird

11-29-2006, 04:17 PM

Fuck the blind

sailor

11-29-2006, 04:50 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: Fuck the blind seriously, this society spends way too much money to make things easier for fringe groups.  like all the handicap-accessible buses.  sorry you're in a wheelchair, but why should the rest of society be forced to spend huge sums of money to make things easier for you?

SatCam

11-29-2006, 05:11 PM

bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: Fuck the blind seriously, this society spends way too much money to make things easier for fringe groups. like all the handicap-accessible buses. sorry you're in a wheelchair, but why should the rest of society be forced to spend huge sums of money to make things easier for you? 

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Yerdaddy

11-30-2006, 02:41 AM

bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: Fuck the blind  seriously, this society spends way too much money to make things easier for fringe groups.  like all the handicap-accessible buses.  sorry you're in a wheelchair, but why should the rest of society be forced to spend huge sums of money to make things easier for you? I don't like my tax dollars spent on expensive wars that increase our risk of terrorism - I think we can increase our risk of terrorism much cheaper, and in ways that don't produce as many <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm" target="_blank">guys who will need handicapped-accessible buses.</a> Sometimes we don't get to choose who are tax dollars fuck over.

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Furtherman

11-30-2006, 06:41 AM

bronxmarc wrote:  actually i read a year or two ago that the euro was rapidly supplanting the dollar as a defacto world currency (primarily amonst drug and arms dealers).  one of the points i remember was that their top valued bill was larger, making transport of huge sums of money much easier. And there lies another would be benefit for "liberating" Iraq.  In 2000, Iraq switched over to selling oil for Euros instead of dollars.  Iran is following.  If the euro rivals the American dollar, we're basically screwed.  The dollar isn't so much a monetary vaule as it is a resource.  And we're fighting for resources.

furie

11-30-2006, 06:44 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: Fuck the blind seriously, this society spends way too much money to make things easier for fringe groups. like all the handicap-accessible buses. sorry you're in a wheelchair, but why should the rest of society be forced to spend huge sums of money to make things easier for you? <hr color="cococo" align="left">

fringe groups... you make them sound like the montana freemen

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BYOBKenobi

11-30-2006, 09:10 AM

I'm down with the barter system.  The courts opened my eyes.  Down with money.

lintpit

11-30-2006, 10:39 AM

I also think that changing the currency is unrealistic.Anybody gat a rough idea how much money that would cost? As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago. Most stores have had to loosen up their hiring standards so much that they have had to spends huge money into security to keep their employees legit. And I truley think that the way "big brother' tracks everything we do now that in the near future electronic payments are going to be the standard everywhere, thus making all currency obsolete.

lintpit

11-30-2006, 10:42 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: Fuck the blind  seriously, this society spends way too much money to make things easier for fringe groups.  like all the handicap-accessible buses.  sorry you're in a wheelchair, but why should the rest of society be forced to spend huge sums of money to make things easier for you? I don't like my tax dollars spent on expensive wars that increase our risk of terrorism - I think we can increase our risk of terrorism much cheaper, and in ways that don't produce as many <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm" target="_blank">guys who will need handicapped-accessible buses.</a> Sometimes we don't get to choose who are tax dollars fuck over.This message was edited by Yerdaddy on 11-30-06 @ 6:42 AM did you mean decrease our risk of terrorism?

TheMojoPin

11-30-2006, 10:48 AM

As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago.Where are you getting that info from?  It seems totally arbritrary and made up.

lintpit

11-30-2006, 10:59 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago. Where are you getting that info from?  It seems totally arbritrary and made up.Arbitrary and made up? Maybe but as I stated in my post, I am just going by what I see first hand every time I enter a minimart or restaurant or Target store. There is much less opportunity .

Yerdaddy

11-30-2006, 11:38 AM

lintpit wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: Fuck the blind  seriously, this society spends way too much money to make things easier for fringe groups.  like all the handicap-accessible buses.  sorry you're in a wheelchair, but why should the rest of society be forced to spend huge sums of money to make things easier for you? I don't like my tax dollars spent on expensive wars that increase our risk of terrorism - I think we can increase our risk of terrorism much cheaper, and in ways that don't produce as many <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm" target="_blank">guys who will need handicapped-accessible buses.</a> Sometimes we don't get to choose who are tax dollars fuck over.This message was edited by Yerdaddy on 11-30-06 @ 6:42 AM did you mean decrease our risk of terrorism?No.

TheMojoPin

11-30-2006, 01:24 PM

lintpit wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago. Where are you getting that info from?  It seems totally arbritrary and made up.Arbitrary and made up? Maybe but as I stated in my post, I am just going by what I see first hand every time I enter a minimart or restaurant or Target store. There is much less opportunity .But why the "20 years" figure?  What has changed with blind people handling money in 1986 and then using it today in 2006?  Yes, you have more payment options, but paying with actual money is the same as it was then.  And blind people are still as blind as ever.  So it's arbritrary because the 20 years has no more relevance than 10 years, 30 years, 40 years, etc. and the "made up" part is it's all based on your own hunch and what you, ironically, "see first hand."  There's just no real substantial information being presented.

Yerdaddy

11-30-2006, 01:38 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: lintpit wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago. Where are you getting that info from?  It seems totally arbritrary and made up.Arbitrary and made up? Maybe but as I stated in my post, I am just going by what I see first hand every time I enter a minimart or restaurant or Target store. There is much less opportunity .But why the "20 years" figure?  What has changed with blind people handling money in 1986 and then using it today in 2006?  Yes, you have more payment options, but paying with actual money is the same as it was then.  And blind people are still as blind as ever.  So it's arbritrary because the 20 years has no more relevance than 10 years, 30 years, 40 years, etc. and the "made up" part is it's all based on your own hunch and what you, ironically, "see first hand."  There's just no real substantial information being presented.<img src="http://www.martinhiggins.com/PAGES/MAGIC8BALL.jpg" border="0" width="700" height="500" />

lintpit

11-30-2006, 01:50 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: lintpit wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago. Where are you getting that info from?  It seems totally arbritrary and made up.Arbitrary and made up? Maybe but as I stated in my post, I am just going by what I see first hand every time I enter a minimart or restaurant or Target store. There is much less opportunity .But why the "20 years" figure?  What has changed with blind people handling money in 1986 and then using it today in 2006?  Yes, you have more payment options, but paying with actual money is the same as it was then.  And blind people are still as blind as ever.  So it's arbritrary because the 20 years has no more relevance than 10 years, 30 years, 40 years, etc. and the "made up" part is it's all based on your own hunch and what you, ironically, "see first hand."  There's just no real substantial information being presented.granted .but you know as well as I do that 20 yrs ago the ATM machine was in its infancy, ATM cards in many areas were unheard of. Hell, look at e,s,d, he just recently got HIS first ATM card.I am not a socilogist by any stretch, but I can make an educated hypothesis as easily as the next guy.

newport king

11-30-2006, 02:07 PM

When i was a kid i was in ortley beach/seaside area and the hotdog vendor there was blind. i ordered alot of hot dogs and tried to get over on him by giving him a 1 and told him it was a 10. The blind vendor told me he was able to tell i was lying by feeling the bumps on the presidents clothes. One of the most impressive things i've ever seen....and so you know, i ran away. i figured fuck em he can't run after me.

Yerdaddy

11-30-2006, 02:12 PM

lintpit wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: lintpit wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: As far as the visually impaired go , the chances of them getting ripped off today are way less than they were even 20yrs ago. Where are you getting that info from?  It seems totally arbritrary and made up.Arbitrary and made up? Maybe but as I stated in my post, I am just going by what I see first hand every time I enter a minimart or restaurant or Target store. There is much less opportunity .But why the "20 years" figure?  What has changed with blind people handling money in 1986 and then using it today in 2006?  Yes, you have more payment options, but paying with actual money is the same as it was then.  And blind people are still as blind as ever.  So it's arbritrary because the 20 years has no more relevance than 10 years, 30 years, 40 years, etc. and the "made up" part is it's all based on your own hunch and what you, ironically, "see first hand."  There's just no real substantial information being presented.granted .but you know as well as I do that 20 yrs ago the ATM machine was in its infancy, ATM cards in many areas were unheard of. Hell, look at e,s,d, he just recently got HIS first ATM card.I am not a socilogist by any stretch, but I can make an educated hypothesis as easily as the next guy.<img src="http://pluh.com/images/picofdaystuff/MURPH_8ball.jpg" border="0" width="700" height="500" /><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

Bulldogcakes

11-30-2006, 02:21 PM

I was going to make a joke about telling the blind to just use credit cards. But apparently somebody beat me to it with ATM's, and was serious.

led37zep

12-02-2006, 06:21 PM

I guess its finally time for this.  KILL THE BLIND!!!!!!!

Team_Ramrod

12-02-2006, 08:36 PM

At what point does making all these changes to 'unconstitutional' things for the blind and/ or handicapped people become unconstitutional for people who can see and have no physical problems?

HBox

12-02-2006, 08:40 PM

Team_Ramrod wrote: At what point does making all these changes to 'unconstitutional' things for the blind and/ or handicapped people become unconstitutional for people who can see and have no physical problems?How does this negatively impact you? And don't say the price and hassle of changing money. We've had 3-4 different 20s 10s and 5s over the last 10-15 years anyway, and there are new bills on the way anyway.It just goes to prove Ronnie right. No matter how much sense it makes or how little of an impact it will make, people will never want to go along if you are telling them to do it.

Team_Ramrod

12-02-2006, 10:12 PM

HBox wrote: Team_Ramrod wrote: At what point does making all these changes to 'unconstitutional' things for the blind and/ or handicapped people become unconstitutional for people who can see and have no physical problems? How does this negatively impact you? And don't say the price and hassle of changing money. We've had 3-4 different 20s 10s and 5s over the last 10-15 years anyway, and there are new bills on the way anyway. It just goes to prove Ronnie right. No matter how much sense it makes or how little of an impact it will make, people will never want to go along if you are telling them to do it. 1) It doesn't, When you have no money an exchange in currency types has no effect whatsoever...2) Is he ever wrong?