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jetdog

12-04-2006, 11:52 AM

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1963779,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1963779,00.html</a>Who's next?

jetdog

12-04-2006, 01:37 PM

Why does it say "*--start fragment--*"  after my post?

Marc with a c

12-04-2006, 01:38 PM

jetdog wrote: Why does it say "*--start fragment--*"  after my post? what are you talking about? *--start fragment--*

CofyCrakCocaine

12-04-2006, 01:41 PM

Yay.

Bulldogcakes

12-04-2006, 02:00 PM

<img src="http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/reuters_molt/3813262138.jpg" border="0" width="450" height="311" />"I'm Bolton outta here!!"

furie

12-04-2006, 03:49 PM

what exactly is everyone's problem with bolton?
I've never heard of him doing anything good or bad.

IamFogHat

12-04-2006, 04:24 PM

Bolton was a fine name<img src="http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/mugs/bolton.mug.jpg" border="0" width="104" height="104" /> until that no talent ass clown in the UN ruined it.

HBox

12-04-2006, 04:28 PM

furie wrote: what exactly is everyone's problem with bolton? I've never heard of him doing anything good or bad.The idea that we were appointing a hot-tempered guy who hated the UN as our UN ambassador. 

This message was edited by HBox on 12-4-06 @ 8:30 PM

epo

12-04-2006, 04:31 PM

<ul><li></li><li>furie wrote: what exactly is everyone's problem with bolton? I've never heard of him doing anything good or bad. </li><ul><li></li></ul></ul>Essentially two things:<ul><li><div>He was linked to the yellowcake/Niger WMD controversy.</div></li><li><div>He as UN Ambassador is a man who essentially believes the United Nations is worthless as the world has one superpower that should call the shots.  </div></li></ul>

johnniewalker

12-04-2006, 04:40 PM

Four short years and this puts the final nail in the coffin of the Bush Doctrine.    Although I don't believe the U.N. has reaquired any more legitimacy in that time period, its a symbolic change that is good for the country and foreign relations.  It was time for a change.

reillyluck

12-04-2006, 04:41 PM

I only have one thing to say                                *--start fragment--*

A.J.

12-05-2006, 04:50 AM

jetdog wrote: Who's next? Hopefully Kofi Annan.

Yerdaddy

12-05-2006, 06:50 AM

furie wrote: what exactly is everyone's problem with bolton? I've never heard of him doing anything good or bad. As Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control he <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/031027fa_fact" target="_blank">played an active role</a> in making sure that the State Department produced only intelligence reports supporting the adminstration's claims that Iraq had WMD. That alone should disqualify him for the PROMOTION he recieved! Seriously, most of the pieces of shit that made sure we went to war on the "faulty intelligence" BY PRODUCING THAT FAULTY INTELLIGENCE have been promoted - not fired. Even now that the war is finally understood to be a costly mistake - instead of a noble effort miscaracterized by that liberal media that wants us to fail - the people who created it have gotten Mulligans. Bolton is one of those pieces of shit that have hurt America and been rewarded. So, on that point alone, it should be a national disgrace that Bush used a constitutional loophole to subvert the process of Senate confirmation - A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE NO LESS - in order to promote this fucker in the first place.In terms of his qualifications to be UN Ambassador, I think these two quotes by him sum up my opinion:"the United Nations must confront...its relevance and utility in confronting the challenges of the 21st century. We believe that the United Nations is ill served when its members seek to transform the organization into a forum that is a little more than a self-serving and a polemical attack against Israel or the United States."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#_note-62">[70]</a>"There is no such thing as the United Nations. United States makes the U.N. work when it wants it to work. If the U.N. Secretariat building in New York lost 10 stories, it would not make a bit of difference". John Bolton declared on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_3" title="February 3">February 3</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994" title="1994">1994</a>.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#_note-60">[68]</a> Why are these quotes characterist of a poor candidate for the position? Because, thanks to people like Bolton, the Iraq war has removed all US military options for dealing with Iran, with North Korea, with potential conflicts in Taiwan/China, Sudan, Somalia, Syria... hell, when Yemen falls apart in 15 to 20 years like I predict, I could foresee the need for US military intervention. But Iraq makes US military solutions to any of those problems moot, short of nuclear strikes or a defensive action that will require a new draft and monstrous expenditures. And with our big stick gone, what's left? Diplomacy! It's not just for pussies anymore. We NEED diplomacy now. Bolton is an anti-diplomat. He says hatefull and arrogant things when diplomacy is the opposite of that. He insults people he needs to get to compromise with us. He's a tool for the Bush administration to weaken the UN as a competitor for moral authority or international political power. As the lone superpower Bush - and neocons like Bolton in general - think that that power needs to be used to impose our will on the world, right or wrong. Iraq proved that wrong, but these fuckers are in denial. They're STILL trying to sell the UN as "without credibility" even though the fact that America was proved wrong on Iraq - both on the question of WMD and that it would be a cool thing to do - INCREASED the UN's credibility in the eyes of everyone outside of our borders. Our continued state of collective denial about Iraq - and the UN - blinds us to that reality, and we still - the US public as well as the Bush administration -

jetdog

12-05-2006, 10:12 AM

I was holding my breath anticipating the Yerdaddy post, wonderful read as always.               --start fragment--        Damn! WTF!

WRESTLINGFAN

12-06-2006, 02:04 PM

Replace him with this Bolton <img src="http://www.thomann.de/prodbilder/bolton_michael_time_love_tenderness_songbook_pvg_p imx_123577.jpg" border="0" alt="m" title="m" width="248" height="250" />

A.J.

12-07-2006, 02:43 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: But most of all, he looks like the Grinch! Who's going to negotiate with the Grinch!?<img src="http://www.animationinsider.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Cindy%20Lou%20Who--2.JPG" border="0" width="186" height="179" />

scottinnj

12-11-2006, 02:07 PM

Well me and yerdaddy disagree once again for the same quotes.  I think what Bolton said was right up the alley, the U.N. is a corrupt place with every country participating just for their own gain.  (US included)  The oil-for-food scandal was typical of the U.N.-countries blaming the United States for mass starvation were actually the ones getting the payoffs from Saddam.  And we twist and turn the UN for troops and equipment to help us in Iraq, but do nothing about the genocide in Darfur.  So the rest of the world turns a blind eye as well, because they never cared in the first place.Whether Bolton is a good U.N. ambassador is different in everyone's opinion.  I just think he was right about the U.N.

ralphbxny

12-11-2006, 02:28 PM

In refering to another thread....I have nothing to say! Once Michael Boloton (both of them) are posted I am done.

FUNKMAN

12-11-2006, 03:18 PM

Bolton out of UN somebody said they saw him bolting...