Greatest Heel...

[BigBlue86]

When Smackdown! started on UPN, they used to do related stories and have fan pols. One they did was "Who is/was the greatest Villian of all time?" It sucked because everyone answered with current talent.

So I will pose this question to you all. Who are some of the greatest Heels of all time? Give a name and your reasoning. For me...

3) Vince McMahon(1998-1999): The reality of his gimmick is what made it so great.

2) Sgt. Slaughter(1991): This was an UNBELIEVABLE storyline for that time period. I was 16 and I HATED Slaughter.

3) Andy Kauffman: I know. But I am NOT on crack. Think about it, people in the wrestling world despised him and Hollywood thought he had finally lost his mind. The best part of it was that everyone was fooled into thinking it was real for 16 years! It was just about the greatest work ever.

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[Solomethod]

Greatest heel of all time? In my 26 years I'd have to go with Ric Flair. Noone showed more style while breaking the rules. Currently, I'd go with HHH cause he truly loves being the heel and anyone who can have people hate him solely on his character is doing something right.

"Be Good, if you can't be good be good at it"

[TheGameHHH]

My top three would go as follows:
3) Vince McMahon- Without him feuding with Austin the WWF is a dead company today.
2) HHH- In time he will be #1, but for the sake that he is "current" we will leave him at 2.
1) Sgt. Slaughter- BigBlue you are correct, that was an incredible storyline for it's time, and best of all it related to people of all ages.

IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME-AHHH!

[RF Godfather]

Solomethod I agree.

It has to be the arguably greatest of all-time, "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair. He was the constant heel in every sense of the imagination from his humble begins as an arrogant wannabe "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers, to the formation of the 4 Horsemen, to his jump to the WWF and punking out Hogan and Macho with Perfect, Rude and the Weasel on his side.

This is FAIR to FLAIR!

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[TomPoo]

*no particular order, and in my opinion, the greater heel you were, the better face you became.

Flair

Hogan (I hate Hogan, but you have to admit his heel turn originally pretty much made the nWo and what it became)

Vince

Jericho (old school wCw)

Raven, the Dudley's, and Shane Dougles (in old ECW not what is going on currently)

Ravishing Rick Rude

the Great Muta

Bret Hart

Austin

HHH

Owen Hart

Iron Shek, Slaugter, Volkof

Undertaker

Foley

Shawn Michaels

Big Jon Stud and King Kong Bundy

Bobby Heenan

Savage

Hall and NAsh



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[TheGameHHH]

Too Poo, how can you classify HBK as one of the greatest heels. I'll give you that he was over as a heel, but still everybody loved him no matter what he did. It makes it kind of hard to be a true heel that way.

IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME-AHHH!

[CYYYFYYY]

3. Bobby Hennan

2. Sgt. Slaughter

1. The Honky Ton man!!!!!!!!


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[CubanRage]

Rowdy Roddy Piper
Ric Flair
Bad News Brown
Jake The Snake Roberts

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[Dirtybird11]

killer kahn and the iron sheik

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more booze!

[TomPoo]

Too Poo, how can you classify HBK as one of the greatest heels.


he was a bad guy the fans loved to hate... very similar to the reactions Flair got... I think thats what made him a great heel.

I stand by the fact the greatest faces came from great heels.

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[Captain Rooster]

Macho Man Randy Savage - When he was feuding with Ricky The Dragon Steamboat...I hated the macho man!

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[MightyMatt]

Rocky Miavia aka the Rock before he was the Rock. He and the "Nation" were such tool bags.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT
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[AndreTheGiant]

ECW Dudleys

I have never seen any wrestlers start riots with the fans like they did



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[pops]

double j, killer khan, mr wonderful. golddust, the superstar, russo, the body,
piper the king of all heels.... is that enough.....
oh yeah big poppa pump..


bad streets of brooklyn
flatbush training arms

[Fallon]

Vince McMahon, Triple H, The Rock, ECW Dudleyz, ECW Shane Dougles.

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[The Blowhard]

Roddy Piper
Ernie Ladd
Larry Zybysko
Harley Race
The Funks
Abdullah The Butcher
Stan Stasiak
Stan Hansen
Ivan Koloff
Superstar Billy Graham
Mr. Fuji and Toru Tanaka
The Valiants
Don Muraco
The Moondogs
Otto Von Heller
The Iron Sheik
Greg Valentine
Paul Orndorff
Bulldog Brower
Ox Baker
Don Leo Jonathan
Jesse Ventura


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[jamesdiggy]

"Dr. D" David Schulz. He took it so far it got him blackballed out of the business.

Cake or Death? Uh, I'll have the cake please.

[Se7en]

The Nature Boy, Ric Flair, is the greatest heel of all time. He is truly the "dirtiest player in the game"!

HHH is a great *current* heel, but of all time? Please. Hell, to go really old school, Fritz Von Erich, Killer Kowalski (who trained Trips) and The Destroyer were all better heels.

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[Jobberific]

Hello all. New to the board. Gotta say, top 3 are Ric Flair, The Honky tonk man(Boy was he huge before he got squashed by warrior) and Jake the snake.

Best heel manager of all time, tie between Bobby the brain and Mr Fuji. Will someone please bring back the fuji dust!!???

AJW...All Jobber Wrestling...All jobbers, all the time.

[Hybrid]

definitely sgt. slaughter back in the day.

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[CovDiesel]

Absolutely.. Ric Flair.

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[OL Dirty Jr]

HHH and in a close 2nd Taker

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[PanterA]

-Iron Sheik
-The Samoans
-Rodey Piper
-Big Boss Man
-Vader
-King Kong Bundy
-HHH
-Cactus Jack
-Macho Man
-Ted Dibiasi
-Demolition
-Justin Credible (ecw)
-Jericho

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[The Game]

My top three heels are:
3. HHH
2. The Rock (the nation leader)
1. Stephanie McMahon

The hell with Vince, I've never seen someone sooo hated on T.V. than Steph. Almost every wrestling fan cannot stand her. Bad acting or not, we all wish to see her get the last ride away from our T.V. screens.

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[hatetreehighway]

I created this thread a month ago..
1.superstar billy grahm...2.machoman...3.taker..
4.ray crippler stevens...5.kevin sulliavn-"the task master"
the best heel of all time....
no one compares......

"NEVER CROSS THE HIGHWAY"



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[Havenostaples]

papa shanka?


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[Captain Stubing]

Gotta go with RR Piper back in the 'Pipers Pit' days. He was a natural prick and funny to boot.

Honorable mention to two more, Stan Hanson and Don Muroco. Hanson had to get police escorts after he broke the neck of the hero of that age, Bruno Sammartino. There supposidily were legit threats on his life. The original rock, Don Muroco, gets the nod by having the balls to walk to the ring for a match eating a sub. Talk about rude...those were the days.

Fezaesthesia - Prognosis poor...

[skitchr4u]

piper
flair
dudleys in ecw (they stole the riot gimmick from brian pillman, but they were still great)

[EasyReader]

I am too young to have seen Gorgeous George fight, but I know enough history to recognize him as a truly classic heel.

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[hatetreehighway]

CACTUS JACK....BANG-BANG
PIPERS PIT HOST-THE HOT ROD...................
"NEVER CROSS THE HIGHWAY"

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[Doogie]

I gotta go with IRS and the Repo Man, God those were some of the biggest heels

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[RF Godfather]

Truth Commission or Los Boriquas anyone? LOL!

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[mrbungle]

I love Ric Flair, but that's the problem, he was always more loved than hated. Hell, he's been a "good guy" half of his career. There is only one true heel left, ad he is sadly passed...Ravishing Rick Rude.

1) Sgt. Slaughter- BigBlue you are correct, that was an incredible storyline for it's time, and best of all it related to people of all ages.

And it related so well they had to move Wrestlemania to the LA Sports Arena where they wouldn't have had 45,000 empty seats...putting Hogan and Slaughter in the ring was like taking honey and pouring molasses on it, then watching it sit there. I'd rather watch frogs fuck.


It's not funny, my ass is on fire...

[Heavy]

This is hard for me to believe. What Hollywood Hogan did for WCW makes him by far the biggest heal of all time. Nevermind he has no wrestling talent but the fact is that the only wrestling organization to have any real sucsess besides the WWF was WCW directly because of Hogan Being a heal. Ratings soared after NWO came around and dropped when it got played out. Noone in history ever gave a more arrogant, self-centered speeches than Hollywood and of course his followers were great also. (hall nash stiener macho etc). Love him or hate him you must admit he is by far the biggest name in wrestling history and made the WWF and WCW. Hollywood is just 2 sweeet.

Tell them Johnny Wadd was here

[hatetreehighway]

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[blakjeezis]

I can't believe Pantera is the only one who put 'The Million Dollar Man' on the list. Yes, all the others were great heels, but the DiBiase was absolutely the best. Being a youngster at the time, I didn't understand all that made a heel, I just knew I hated him. Now, looking back it's like wow, he was an amazing talent. From the moment the music started "Money money money money money", until he went back through the curtain, he was master showman. Absolutely the best.

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[El Mudo]

ECW Dudleys

I have never seen any wrestlers start riots with the fans like they did


OH MY GOD DUDE! I could not agree with you more!! Especially when they were managed by Joel Gertner!

Bubba to the crowd *Youre just mad cause i was with your mother last night*

I also love flair, not to many better than the dirtiest player in the game. Simply the greatest wrestler EVER

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[McNabbShouldDie]

Without a doubt it has to be "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair. I dont know how people could say anyone else.

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[ThekahLe]

Currently the top heels have to be Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Triple H, and the "un-Americans"(jus because they're baLLsy enough too say they hate america when everyone seems to be patriotic right now)

OF all time Jake the Snake is up there Sgt.Slaughter, The Macho Man, Jericho, Angle, and bischoff(cuz ken doll look-a-like almost put the wwf out of business)

[phixion]

"every man's got his price."- the man who could reemerge today and be the best heel of today: 'The MIllion Dollar Man' Ted DiBiasi

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[FTW2285]

the dudleys were great heels in ecw but i've got to agree with pantera, the million dollar man was definetely the best heel. Who could ever forget that time he had the kid bounce the basketball a certain amount of times for money and when he was almost finished, dibiase kicked the ball away from him. It just looked so cruel. Ah, how i miss the old days of wrestling. <P> <P>

[Lord of Evil]

Early 80's - Iron Sheik
Mid 80's - Macho Man Randy Savage
Later 80's - Honky Tonk Man
Early 90's - Undertaker
Later 90's - Vince
2000 - Triple H

Announcer - Jesse Ventura

Female - Sensational Sheri
and Stephanie

Manager - Bobby the Brain Heenan

Christ died for O & A's sins.

[TheKnicks23]

All these wrestlers you guys have named are mostly before my time but i'd have to say the best i've seen is HHH

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[Se7en]

HHH doesn't deserve to be on this list.

He isn't fit to wipe the sweat off the balls of guys like Ric Flair or Ted Dibiase.

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[Cocky Friendly]

I'd have to go with the heel Rock from the NOD. I just wish we'd see him some day. Lord knows the fans would be receptive judging form Wrestlemania and SummerSlam. And, unlike with Austin, whose heel turn hurt the company, the Rock has turned into such a side dish rather than a main meal due to all the time he takes off, turning him wouldn't hurt the company.

Nonetheless, how the hell can a guy whose idea of a great gift to Faarooq to make up for screwing up a tag match being a life size portrait of himself NOT be one of the greatest heels of all time?

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[Schematic]

HBK definetely (remember the hullabaloo afta austin won the title) every1 luvs HBK now though no more DX

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[CubanRage]

Jake "The Snake" Roberts

"The Franchise" Shane Douglas (ECW era)

Roddy Piper

The Cuban Rage...y que?

[ToddEVF]

Its funny how everyone keeps mentioning the Dudley Boyz. But if you remember correctly there were a lot of Dudleys.

Dances with Dudley
Dudley Boy Dudley
Snot Dudley
Chubby Dudley
Big Dick Dudley
Buh Buh Ray Dudley
Spike Dudley
D-Von Dudley
Sign Guy Dudley

so. . . as a family heel gimmick they have a legacy. But I have to say ECW's D-von was the best heel. because he never was face, as a Dudley. D-Von is the heel amongst the dudleys.

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[PanterA]

There's no doubt that Dibiasi could come back now, and be one of the greatest mind-fucking, money hungery heel to ever enter the squared circle.

BRING BACK THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN DAMN IT!!

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[WintersEmbers]

i still think that even though he wasnt a wrestler that heenan was the best heel of all time. i mean almost every great heel in the WWF during its prime was related in one way or another to bobby heenan. so he gets my vote.



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[CovDiesel]

I love Ted DiBiase.

He rules.

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[travis151]

The "Million Dollar Man" was great the way he treated Virgil is priceless.Also the"Model" Rick Martel it was so funny the way he pissed people off and Rick Rude loved when he call the women in the arenas "fat pigs". Miss the days when you were bad you stayed bad for years not becoming a face couple monthes later. See YA!!