Barry Zito to Giants $126 Mil for seven years [Archive]

MM2

12-28-2006, 09:39 AM

Earlshog wrote: Pedro Martinez 36 coming off a major injuryTom Glavine 41 again 41Orlando Hernandez 38 maybe a five at bestSteve Trachsel on the down side of a medicore carerJohn Maine We will seeOliver Perez a major major risk... hasn't pitched well since 2003I would say .500 is optimistic unless some changes are made... Well they have Pelfrey who's ready, and Humber is close to being ready too. I think Oliver Perez will surprise some people this season, Peterson can do wonders. I do think Omar will do something though, its not like him to stand pat. I don't think Zito is worth 18 mil a year, he's not a true #1, he's more of a true #2, lefty and durable, but not worth 18 mil. Now he might have been worth 18 mil a year to the Mets, since they have such deep pockets and could really use a top of the rotation starter.Zito will put up some good to great numbers in SF, that's a great pitchers park. Its a pretty good move for the Giants, with Cain, Lowry and Lincecum on the way, they'll have a nice rotation to attract some hitters, who they are gonna need to sign through FA because their minor league system stinks.Rather shocking move, I would have bet he'd have ended up with the Mets.

yomudder21

12-28-2006, 09:41 AM

The Mets will be fine.  That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS!

K.C.

12-28-2006, 09:46 AM

yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine.  That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans.

phixion

12-28-2006, 09:50 AM

mudder your assuming that these guys havent peaked, i cant help but think that they have. so everything from here is gonna be worse, so i dont think we have a shot. at least i can get excited by the most exciting man in baseball day in and day out.

Earlshog

12-28-2006, 10:00 AM

Furtherman

12-28-2006, 10:02 AM

$126 million is a disgusting amount.  F you baseball, I'll see you in October, the only time it's fun to watch.

Snacks

12-28-2006, 10:21 AM

I'm sorry but 18 million a year is way too much for a guy that works every 5 days. I think baseball better do something b/c these guys are making way too much money for a game.That being said, he might be even better the national league. I guess the giants are trying to win and maybe win this year.

BoondockSaint

12-28-2006, 10:23 AM

phixion wrote: i love this surround three of the best young players in baseball with a shitty staff and no offensive help from anywehre but delgado. great. fantastic. Yeah, Reyes, Beltran and Wright can't hit for shit.

yomudder21

12-28-2006, 10:25 AM

K.C. wrote: yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine. That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans.  Homer Phillie fans should not be allowed in any baseball thread.  You retards only talk about how you are going to finally get over the hump this year then my the trade deadline you are talking about how it is a rebuilding year.Once again another rebuilding year.  Christ, one title in a hundred years.  Throw those douches out of the league.And did you bring up the Marlins?  Are you out of your damn mind!

MM2

12-28-2006, 10:26 AM

Snacks wrote: I'm sorry but 18 million a year is way too much for a guy that works every 5 days. I think baseball better do something b/c these guys are making way too much money for a game.That being said, he might be even better the national league. I guess the giants are trying to win and maybe win this year.You wouldn't give 18 a year to Johan Santana? I think if he were on the market this year he'd get 10 years 250 mil.  Remember, pitching wins championships, a SP might only play every 5 days, but he has more impact on that one game, then any one position player has in the 4 games that SP doesn't start.

MM2

12-28-2006, 10:31 AM

yomudder21 wrote: K.C. wrote: yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine. That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans.  Homer Phillie fans should not be allowed in any baseball thread.  You retards only talk about how you are going to finally get over the hump this year then my the trade deadline you are talking about how it is a rebuilding year.Once again another rebuilding year.  Christ, one title in a hundred years.  Throw those douches out of the league.And did you bring up the Marlins?  Are you out of your damn mind! The Marlins have one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball. Josh Johnson, Anibal Sanchez, Scott Olsen....not to mention Dontrelle Willis. That's a scary rotation. Hanley Ramierz is Jose Reyes-lite, and Miguel Cabrera is one of the top 5 hitters in all of baseball. Don't sleep on the Marlins. The Marlins are a legit contender for the NL East title.

yomudder21

12-28-2006, 10:35 AM

MM2 wrote: yomudder21 wrote: K.C. wrote: yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine. That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans.  Homer Phillie fans should not be allowed in any baseball thread. You retards only talk about how you are going to finally get over the hump this year then my the trade deadline you are talking about how it is a rebuilding year.Once again another rebuilding year. Christ, one title in a hundred years. Throw those douches out of the league.And did you bring up the Marlins? Are you out of your damn mind! The Marlins have one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball. Josh Johnson, Anibal Sanchez, Scott Olsen....not to mention Dontrelle Willis. That's a scary rotation. Hanley Ramierz is Jose Reyes-lite, and Miguel Cabrera is one of the top 5 hitters in all of baseball. Don't sleep on the Marlins. The Marlins are a legit contender for the NL East title.  you named a decent pitching staff and one player.  i don't know how you plan on competing with that.  it takes a whole lot more then that to win a division.  and the argument that just because the mets players will stink because they are one year older and the marlins/phillies players are better because they are young and one year older is stupid.  it never works that way in baseball.  Ask the stupid assed yankees every year, who get one year older and make the playoffs every year.

walking joint

12-28-2006, 10:36 AM

BoondockSaint wrote: phixion wrote: i love this surround three of the best young players in baseball with a shitty staff and no offensive help from anywehre but delgado. great. fantastic. Yeah, Reyes, Beltran and Wright can't hit for shit.did you miss him mention the three young players...then he saying there is shit.

Earlshog

12-28-2006, 10:42 AM

Snacks wrote: I'm sorry but 18 million a year is way too much for a guy that works every 5 days. I think baseball better do something b/c these guys are making way too much money for a game.That being said, he might be even better the national league. I guess the giants are trying to win and maybe win this year.what would you rahter have the owners stick that money in there pocket... good for the players...  looking at those numbers its seems baseball is doing just fine... if Gil Meche is worth 11 mil Zito is worth 18

MM2

12-28-2006, 10:44 AM

yomudder21 wrote: MM2 wrote: yomudder21 wrote: K.C. wrote: yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine. That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans.  Homer Phillie fans should not be allowed in any baseball thread. You retards only talk about how you are going to finally get over the hump this year then my the trade deadline you are talking about how it is a rebuilding year.Once again another rebuilding year. Christ, one title in a hundred years. Throw those douches out of the league.And did you bring up the Marlins? Are you out of your damn mind! The Marlins have one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball. Josh Johnson, Anibal Sanchez, Scott Olsen....not to mention Dontrelle Willis. That's a scary rotation. Hanley Ramierz is Jose Reyes-lite, and Miguel Cabrera is one of the top 5 hitters in all of baseball. Don't sleep on the Marlins. The Marlins are a legit contender for the NL East title.  you named a decent pitching staff and one player.  i don't know how you plan on competing with that.  it takes a whole lot more then that to win a division.  and the argument that just because the mets players will stink because they are one year older and the marlins/phillies players are better because they are young and one year older is stupid.  it never works that way in baseball.  Ask the stupid assed yankees every year, who get one year older and make the playoffs every year.  Well that wasn't my argument, I said nothing of the Mets. But you have to admit that the Marlins staff is way above "decent" if their staff is decent, what is the Met's staff? And I mentioned two players, M-Cab and H-Ram, to go along with them you have Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham and Jeremy Hermida who I expect to bounce back after a terrible rookie year. If they can swing a deal for a CFer they will be in my eyes the team to beat in the NL East. With their staff they aren't going to have to lead the league in runs, but they will score alot, with H-Ram and Uggla at the top of the lineup with M-Cab, Willingham and Hermida knocking them in. I for one think the Mets will be ok, they have Pelfrey who seems to be ready, and Philip Humber will be ready to contribute after a half season in the minors. I don't think they should trade Milledge and possibly Pelfrey or Humber for a starter. Maybe sign a Jeff Weaver or someone like that and see what sticks.

Earlshog

12-28-2006, 10:45 AM

yomudder21 wrote: MM2 wrote: yomudder21 wrote: K.C. wrote: yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine. That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans.  Homer Phillie fans should not be allowed in any baseball thread. You retards only talk about how you are going to finally get over the hump this year then my the trade deadline you are talking about how it is a rebuilding year.Once again another rebuilding year. Christ, one title in a hundred years. Throw those douches out of the league.And did you bring up the Marlins? Are you out of your damn mind! The Marlins have one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball. Josh Johnson, Anibal Sanchez, Scott Olsen....not to mention Dontrelle Willis. That's a scary rotation. Hanley Ramierz is Jose Reyes-lite, and Miguel Cabrera is one of the top 5 hitters in all of baseball. Don't sleep on the Marlins. The Marlins are a legit contender for the NL East title.  you named a decent pitching staff and one player.  i don't know how you plan on competing with that.  it takes a whole lot more then that to win a division.  and the argument that just because the mets players will stink because they are one year older and the marlins/phillies players are better because they are young and one year older is stupid.  it never works that way in baseball.  Ask the stupid assed yankees every year, who get one year older and make the playoffs every year.  if that staff is only decent the Mets is downright awful...

yomudder21

12-28-2006, 10:58 AM

You just aren't going to win anything in baseball with a $20 million payroll and under.  Last year the Marlins payroll was $14,998,500.Yes i know the Marlins have good young players, but they will also have decent good young players who will always leave when they hit their full potential to get paid what they are worth.  You can't compete with just some good young stars.  You need a good bench, veteran leadership, a good bullpen, etc.  You also need some support from management when the trade deadline hits.  This will never exist with that low of a payroll and an owner who doesn't even want the team there. If they prove me wrong then fine, but it has NEVER happened in modern times baseball.

K.C.

12-28-2006, 11:10 AM

I'm fighting this Mets/Phillies fight on two boards at the moment, so I'll repeat something I just repeated elsewhere. From July 29 (date of the Abreu trade) on last season, the Phils had a better record. Say what you want, but there wasn't that big a gap talent wise going into this offseason. The Phils have added key pieces, the Mets have done absolutely shit. For the record, here's the numbers after the Abreu trade:Phillies: 39-23Mets: 36-24

This message was edited by K.C. on 12-28-06 @ 3:19 PM

yomudder21

12-28-2006, 11:19 AM

K.C. wrote: I'm fighting this Mets/Phillies fight on two boards at the moment, so I'll repeat something I just repeated elsewhere. From July 29 (date of the Abreu trade) on last season, the Phils had a better record. Say what you want, but there wasn't that big a gap talent wise going into this offseason. The Phils have added key pieces, the Mets have done absolutely shit.   I know, I know..........I hear the same thing every year from Phillies fans.........and I like how you just pick a point in time when the phillies were playing well, as if that is a bench mark for anything.  Just becasue you had a better second half then a first half doesn't mean shit.  Didn't the phillies do that the year before and still finished a game behind the Braves.  Oh yeah, they did.  And they had a decent second half and still finished 12 behind the mets.Instead of just picking random dates to prove your point, how about we just pick the whole season.  I'll do that and the mets finished 12 games ahead of the worthless phillies.

Earlshog

12-28-2006, 11:29 AM

yomudder21 wrote: K.C. wrote: I'm fighting this Mets/Phillies fight on two boards at the moment, so I'll repeat something I just repeated elsewhere. From July 29 (date of the Abreu trade) on last season, the Phils had a better record. Say what you want, but there wasn't that big a gap talent wise going into this offseason. The Phils have added key pieces, the Mets have done absolutely shit.   I know, I know..........I hear the same thing every year from Phillies fans.........and I like how you just pick a point in time when the phillies were playing well, as if that is a bench mark for anything.  Just becasue you had a better second half then a first half doesn't mean shit.  Didn't the phillies do that the year before and still finished a game behind the Braves.  Oh yeah, they did.  And they had a decent second half and still finished 12 behind the mets.Instead of just picking random dates to prove your point, how about we just pick the whole season.  I'll do that and the mets finished 12 games ahead of the worthless phillies.   The Mets have had around 10 good season in the last 40 so please spare us your rich history... Alot of fans can shit on the Phillies for there past, Mets fans can't.... Last year is over... Mets didn't win dick...  we are starting new...  as of today the Phillies are a better team then the Mets...

K.C.

12-28-2006, 11:33 AM

yomudder21 wrote: K.C. wrote: I'm fighting this Mets/Phillies fight on two boards at the moment, so I'll repeat something I just repeated elsewhere. From July 29 (date of the Abreu trade) on last season, the Phils had a better record. Say what you want, but there wasn't that big a gap talent wise going into this offseason. The Phils have added key pieces, the Mets have done absolutely shit.   I know, I know..........I hear the same thing every year from Phillies fans.........and I like how you just pick a point in time when the phillies were playing well, as if that is a bench mark for anything.  Just becasue you had a better second half then a first half doesn't mean shit.  Didn't the phillies do that the year before and still finished a game behind the Braves.  Oh yeah, they did.  And they had a decent second half and still finished 12 behind the mets.Instead of just picking random dates to prove your point, how about we just pick the whole season.  I'll do that and the mets finished 12 games ahead of the worthless phillies.    It's not an arbitrary date, it's a significant date. When they traded Abreu, they changed the face of the team. They also made many other significant moves in terms of trades during that stretch. The point is that you can't look at the standings and see the Mets finishing 12 games higher than the Phils and say that's an accurate portrayal of what will happen this season, because the team before July 29 during the first three months of the season was vastly different than the team during the last three months and up to today. Any Mets fan who isn't concerned about the Phillies just isn't paying attention.  Now, if you want to argue there's some kind of Karma related curse that will prevent any Philadelphia team from ever winning, I can't really argue that point. That may be true.

phixion

12-28-2006, 11:36 AM

The Mets have had around 10 good season in the last 40 so please spare us your rich history... Alot of fans can shit on the Phillies for there past, Mets fans can't.... Last year is over... Mets didn't win dick...  we are starting new...  as of today the Phillies are a better team then the Mets... actually they won the division. and im glad you said as of today because ill bet as of spring training they arent

Earlshog

12-28-2006, 11:45 AM

phixion wrote: The Mets have had around 10 good season in the last 40 so please spare us your rich history... Alot of fans can shit on the Phillies for there past, Mets fans can't.... Last year is over... Mets didn't win dick...  we are starting new...  as of today the Phillies are a better team then the Mets... actually they won the division. and im glad you said as of today because ill bet as of spring training they arent okay they won the divison... and.... we will see... they have had some off season already.. they signed Easly and Moises Alou... Doc gets out of jail soon right...  maybe he can fill out the roation... he is younger then half the staff...

phixion

12-28-2006, 12:00 PM

okay they won the divison... and.... yeah im sorry this baseball the only sport where making the playoffs in and of itself is an actual accomplishment. and taking ur division, is something to talk about. the braves won one stinking championship, but u know why i still consider them the team of the 90's? cuz they won ten straight division titles. and all we have to go on is what occurred last year, because january second  2007 your mvp howard could get hit by a bus and die. then what kind of season would u have?

MHasegawa

12-28-2006, 12:17 PM

OF ALL THE FUCKIN TEAMS, IT HAD TO BE THE FAGGOT GIANTS! I wouldnt be this mad if he went to the yankees, fuck Barry Zito.

Earlshog

12-28-2006, 12:28 PM

phixion wrote: okay they won the divison... and.... yeah im sorry this baseball the only sport where making the playoffs in and of itself is an actual accomplishment. and taking ur division, is something to talk about. the braves won one stinking championship, but u know why i still consider them the team of the 90's? cuz they won ten straight division titles. and all we have to go on is what occurred last year, because january second  2007 your mvp howard could get hit by a bus and die. then what kind of season would u have?okay congrats on winning the division... well see I would consider the team that won three championships (the Yanks) and beat the braves strait up the team of the 90's. that neither here nor there... I dunno it would not help... your teams palne could go down... how would the Mets do then... all I said is right now the Phillies have a better team... that could change... 

This message was edited by Earlshog on 12-28-06 @ 4:30 PM

Doctor Z

12-28-2006, 01:14 PM

LoL!!!  SUCKERS!!!

Kevin

12-28-2006, 01:17 PM

According to Spoon..... Its the Yankees fault Zito got so much.... Lets blame the Yankees for fucking up payroll for baseball.

Don Stugots

12-28-2006, 01:20 PM

Kevin wrote: According to Spoon..... Its the Yankees fault Zito got so much.... Lets blame the Yankees for fucking up payroll for baseball. the fucking yankees made the giants pay him that much.

Kevin

12-28-2006, 01:22 PM

Don Stugots wrote: Kevin wrote: According to Spoon..... Its the Yankees fault Zito got so much.... Lets blame the Yankees for fucking up payroll for baseball. the fucking yankees made the giants pay him that much.   YEA!!!!!! SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THOSE YANKEES!!!!!! THEY ARE KILLING BASEBALL!!!!!! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!

epo

12-28-2006, 02:40 PM

I thank the Giants for giving Zito that much money.  It allows the contract the Brewers gave Suppan (4yr $42M) to look good to the locals and shut them up. Nothing like somebody else doing your PR work for you.

cougarjake13

12-28-2006, 02:44 PM

K.C. wrote: yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine.  That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS! Its not the same lineup. For one thing, Pedro is done. That out of the way, they'll be worse simply by virtue of age. Roger Clemens is a phenom...but the truth is that most pitchers get worse as they age. Glavine, El Duque, Wagner, etc. probably won't give you what they gave last year. Meanwhile, the Marlins and Phillies are both have significant room for improvement with the guys they already have just by virtue of the fact that they have young pitching...and in the Phils case, they've surrounded their young pitching with quality veterans. traschel is gone, mets didnt re sign himand pedro was barely there last year and we still crushed the division, he only helped build up that early lead in april and may but after that he was injured and didnt play much or was ineffective when he did

Bulldogcakes

12-28-2006, 03:23 PM

yomudder21 wrote: The Mets will be fine. That is the same exact pitching line-up they had last year and they won 97 games and were one inning away from the World Series. LET'S GO METS!  Thank you. The Mets had no pitchers (on the field) last year and went to the 7th game of the NLCS. The Mets are built around hitting and bullpen. They still have both. You'd LOVE to have some more solid starters, but at this price you need your head examined. See what the kids can do, maybe make a trade for someone reliable. Want Randy Johnson?

TheMojoPin

12-28-2006, 04:20 PM

Crud.Not because I gave a damn where Zito was gonna end up...his numbers indicate he's gonna keep sliding (yeah, he's good, but he's not gonna be a #1 on any legit team much longer, if he is now, and he's being paid like one for nearly a decade)...I'm crudding because I'm worried this will inflate Carlos Zambrano's asking price when the Cubs re-sign him this coming year.  Thank God he fired Boras.

epo

12-28-2006, 05:44 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Crud.Not because I gave a damn where Zito was gonna end up...his numbers indicate he's gonna keep sliding (yeah, he's good, but he's not gonna be a #1 on any legit team much longer, if he is now, and he's being paid like one for nearly a decade)...I'm crudding because I'm worried this will inflate Carlos Zambrano's asking price when the Cubs re-sign him this coming year.  Thank God he fired Boras.Mojo....I hate to tell you man, but Zambrano is gonna ask for $20M/year for at least 6 years.  But can you blame the man?  The bad thing for the Cubs is they've spent like $300M this off-season and they won't have many bullets left to chase him on an open market.

TheMojoPin

12-28-2006, 05:52 PM

Actually, there's no reason the Cubs can't pay whatever Zambrano wants, and I have little doubt they will.  And I wouldn't be surprised if Zambrano is had for less than Zito...a little Cy Young goes a long way.  Not drastically less, of course, but I'd lay money his payday isn't as huge.

HBox

12-28-2006, 05:52 PM

Kevin wrote: Don Stugots wrote: Kevin wrote: According to Spoon..... Its the Yankees fault Zito got so much.... Lets blame the Yankees for fucking up payroll for baseball. the fucking yankees made the giants pay him that much. YEA!!!!!! SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THOSE YANKEES!!!!!! THEY ARE KILLING BASEBALL!!!!!! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!The Yankees killed Christmas.

epo

12-28-2006, 06:02 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Actually, there's no reason the Cubs can't pay whatever Zambrano wants, and I have little doubt they will.  And I wouldn't be surprised if Zambrano is had for less than Zito...a little Cy Young goes a long way.  Not drastically less, of course, but I'd lay money his payday isn't as huge. Didn't the Cubs pay $10m/Year for Ted Lilly?All sarcasm aside, I honestly can't see Zambrano's agent settling for less.  Zambrano is a workhorse #1 pitcher who will be 27 at the start of the 2008 season.  Zito is a borderline 1/2 who is 29, albeit with a nice CY Young trophy & nice left-handed curve.  I would probably take that bet everyday of the week.  

This message was edited by epo on 12-28-06 @ 10:16 PM

Kevin

12-28-2006, 06:07 PM

HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: Don Stugots wrote: Kevin wrote: According to Spoon..... Its the Yankees fault Zito got so much.... Lets blame the Yankees for fucking up payroll for baseball. the fucking Yankees made the giants pay him that much. YEA!!!!!! SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THOSE YANKEES!!!!!! THEY ARE KILLING BASEBALL!!!!!! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!The Yankees killed Christmas. Brian Cashman lied to us.... THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!! FUCKING YANKEES! DAMN THEM.

Gvac

12-28-2006, 06:11 PM

While I think it's a bit more money than he really deserves, I don't blame the Giants for this move.It's painfully obvious that Eli is never going to be the answer, and everyone knows you've got to build from the QB position.

Kevin

12-28-2006, 06:13 PM

Gvac wrote: While I think it's a bit more money than he really deserves, I don't blame the Giants for this move.It's painfully obvious that Eli is never going to be the answer, and everyone knows you've got to build from the QB position.  Would you say that you would make that deal in a ....................................SNAP Gvac?

This message was edited by Kevin on 12-28-06 @ 10:18 PM

Don Stugots

12-28-2006, 06:13 PM

Kevin wrote: HBox wrote: Kevin wrote: Don Stugots wrote: Kevin wrote: According to Spoon..... Its the Yankees fault Zito got so much.... Lets blame the Yankees for fucking up payroll for baseball. the fucking Yankees made the giants pay him that much. YEA!!!!!! SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THOSE YANKEES!!!!!! THEY ARE KILLING BASEBALL!!!!!! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!The Yankees killed Christmas. Brian Cashman lied to us.... THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!! FUCKING YANKEES! DAMN THEM. the yanks killed santa.

OGC

12-28-2006, 07:14 PM

It was just a blocking move so he wouldn't go to the Yankees, everyone knows that.

Kevin

12-28-2006, 07:40 PM

richg0404 wrote: It was just a blocking move so he wouldn't go to the Yankees, everyone knows that. No, No the Yankees negotiated the deal and gave the Giants 128 mil just to sign Zito so he would not sign with the Mets. DAMN THOSE YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!

Bulldogcakes

05-04-2008, 06:40 AM

Here's three really good articles from the Hardball Times breaking down some basics on pitching mechanics and what has gone wrong with Barry Zito.

Part 1 A bridge too far (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/a-bridge-too-far/)

Part 2 In the beginning God created heaven and earth… (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/in-the-beginning-god-created-heaven-and-earth/)

Part 3 Exactly what are effective throwing mechanics? (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/exactly-what-are-effective-throwing-mechanics/)

Here's one really good tidbit

One interesting aspect of throwing is that once the momentum has been drained out of the torso, the action of the arm is far more passive and active. The arm behaves more like a whip (buggy whip “popper”) that has been driven by the body.

The negative aspect of arm strength is when the arm itself becomes the primary mechanism to throw the baseball. This can also be described as “disconnection.” Disconnection means the arm has lost its ability to receive/transform momentum from the body. A consequence of this disconnection forces the arm-shoulder complex to become more active than it should in terms of throwing a baseball. The player is trying to make up for the lack of efficient transfer of momentum by “muscling” the ball to the plate.

Part 3 gets really scientific and complicated, but there's a ton of good stuff in there. Worth the brain cramp.

Also, with Zito going to the bullpen I thought it would be interesting to see what we all thought of the deal at the time.