Most influential/best rock bands of all time??? [Archive]

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:09 PM

1. The Beatles

2. Black Sabbath

3. Nirvana

There is no disputing this list. Every band aforementioned established the sound of their day, well into the future.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:14 PM

29 views and no bitches.

You people are smarter than I thought.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:16 PM

Led Zeppelin is missing.  And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana.  Nirvana changed music for about three years.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:17 PM

And for someone who is so intelligent, nice job putting this in the wrong forum.

PapaBear

01-01-2007, 10:20 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: 29 views and no bitches. You people are smarter than I thought. It's 100 views now. Maybe someone just keeps clicking on it for no real reason.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:22 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Led Zeppelin is missing.ÿ And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana.ÿ Nirvana changed music for about three years.ÿLed Zepplin, while being a great band, didn't really establish anything. You're wrong, but don't be discouraged, you were on the right track.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:22 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: And for someone who is so intelligent, nice job putting this in the wrong forum.ÿMy apologies.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:24 PM

And BTW, it's not to say that Nirvana isn't a good band - they were.  But influential?  Hardly.  The Seattle grunge sound was an era just like hair metal, with only a few bands surviving out of it.  Pearl Jam is to grunge was Bon Jovi is to hair metal.  You don't hear the same crunchy guitars or lyrics that Kurt wrote in today's music.  So they aren't influential.

DonInNC

01-01-2007, 10:25 PM

In the end, Alice In Chains have been as influential as Nirvana.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:26 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Led Zeppelin is missing. And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana. Nirvana changed music for about three years.  Led Zepplin, while being a great band, didn't really establish anything. You're wrong, but don't be discouraged, you were on the right track. They created a blues/rock fusion and brought it to Mainstream, and Jimmy Page got more sound out of a guitar than any of his contemporaries at the time.Sabbath was influential on metal, and the Beatles were influential on pop music period.  But to say Nirvana is more important and/or influential than Zep (or the Beach Boys, for that matter) is nuts.

burrben

01-01-2007, 10:27 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Led Zeppelin is missing.  And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana.  Nirvana changed music for about three years.  Led Zepplin, while being a great band, didn't really establish anything. You're wrong, but don't be discouraged, you were on the right track. they pioneered wizard rockno mention of the velvet underground yet

KC2OSO

01-01-2007, 10:29 PM

Fun, how's about you go over <a href="http://www.sorabji.com/m/1/bin/board-newmessages.cgi">here</a> and wander around for awhile.

burrben

01-01-2007, 10:29 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:They created a blues/rock fusion and brought it to Mainstream, and Jimmy Page got more sound out of a guitar than any of his contemporaries at the time.Sabbath was influential on metal, and the Beatles were influential on pop music period.  But to say Nirvana is more important and/or influential than Zep (or the Beach Boys, for that matter) is nuts. but didn't jimmy page's first band "the yardbirds" do that?and why does no one ever mention jeff beck when talking about great guitarists?

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Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:30 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: And BTW, it's not to say that Nirvana isn't a good band - they were.ÿ But influential?ÿ Hardly.ÿ The Seattle grunge sound was an era just like hair metal, with only a few bands surviving out of it.ÿ Pearl Jam is to grunge was Bon Jovi is to hair metal.ÿ You don't hear the same crunchy guitars or lyrics that Kurt wrote in today's music.ÿ So they aren't influential.ÿOf course they are. How old are you? I'm old enough to remember that one day it was hair bands, the next it was grunge. Almost instantaneously. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is arguably the most influential song because of this. That was the first grunge song to get major airplay, both on radio and MTV. That one song has led us to today. I play guitar, but I won't get technical, because it's fairly easy to hear...but notice how before Nirvana (the hair band era) all the songs had that uplifting almost 'happy' sound. Then you go to post-Nirvana and it's almost all drop-D tunings, with an 'unhappy' sound. That's the best I can explain it to a layperson.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:31 PM

burrben wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:They created a blues/rock fusion and brought it to Mainstream, and Jimmy Page got more sound out of a guitar than any of his contemporaries at the time.Sabbath was influential on metal, and the Beatles were influential on pop music period. But to say Nirvana is more important and/or influential than Zep (or the Beach Boys, for that matter) is nuts. but didn't jimmy page's first band "the yardbirds" do that? My mistake.  Didn't mean to say "created" but "expanded on" or "helped pioneer".

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:31 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Led Zeppelin is missing. And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana. Nirvana changed music for about three years.ÿÿLed Zepplin, while being a great band, didn't really establish anything. You're wrong, but don't be discouraged, you were on the right track.ÿThey created a blues/rock fusion and brought it to Mainstream, and Jimmy Page got more sound out of a guitar than any of his contemporaries at the time.Sabbath was influential on metal, and the Beatles were influential on pop music period.ÿ But to say Nirvana is more important and/or influential than Zep (or the Beach Boys, for that matter) is nuts.ÿOne word, Yardbirds. Of course, Jimmy Page was a part of that band, but they weren't nearly as revolutionary in most peoples minds...but they had Led Zepplins sound before Led Zepplin was even a thought.-

burrben

01-01-2007, 10:35 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Led Zeppelin is missing.  And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana.  Nirvana changed music for about three years. as great as the beatles were, they modelled "sgt. pepper" after "pet sounds"advantage - beach boys

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:38 PM

Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot.

Seriously.

burrben

01-01-2007, 10:40 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously. same with anyone who doesn't mention the velvet underground

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:43 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: And BTW, it's not to say that Nirvana isn't a good band - they were. But influential? Hardly. The Seattle grunge sound was an era just like hair metal, with only a few bands surviving out of it. Pearl Jam is to grunge was Bon Jovi is to hair metal. You don't hear the same crunchy guitars or lyrics that Kurt wrote in today's music. So they aren't influential.  Of course they are. How old are you? I'm old enough to remember that one day it was hair bands, the next it was grunge. Almost instantaneously. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is arguably the most influential song because of this. That was the first grunge song to get major airplay, both on radio and MTV. That one song has led us to today. I play guitar, but I won't get technical, because it's fairly easy to hear...but notice how before Nirvana (the hair band era) all the songs had that uplifting almost 'happy' sound. Then you go to post-Nirvana and it's almost all drop-D tunings, with an 'unhappy' sound. That's the best I can explain it to a layperson. Poison's biggest hit was a downbeat song about a breakup.  So was Cinderella's.  In fact, the hair era was defined not just by the upbeat songs but the slow ballads as well. What has "Smells Like Teen Spirit" led us to?  It's led to one thing, one of the few bands with sustained commercial success in alt-rock, and that's the Foo Fighters.  Nirvana's heir apparent is Nickleback, because that's the only band that's come even close to replicating the melody sound (although the lyrics are coherent, unlike Nivanca) and be a successful band. Are you telling me that the nu-Punk bands sprang from Nirvana's sound?  If anything nu-Punk sprang more from hair metal than grunge.    It is way, way, WAY too early to tell how influential Nirvana is.  And I have no doubt they ARE influential.  But to put them on a list with no mention of the Stones or Zep is ludicrous.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:44 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously. Pet Sounds is noted as one of most influential albums of the 20th century.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:44 PM

burrben wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously. same with anyone who doesn't mention the velvet undergroundThis isn't 'anything homo' goes. Find another board.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:45 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously.ÿPet Sounds is noted as one of most influential albums of the 20th century. ÿÿYeah...and I hear that all the time in todays music.

Get real.

Tenbatsuzen

01-01-2007, 10:47 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously. Pet Sounds is noted as one of most influential albums of the 20th century.   Yeah...and I hear that all the time in todays music. Get real. Please point out where Nirvana's licks and/or Kurt's style of lyrics is in today's music?Pet Sounds was written 40 years ago.  Nevermind was out 13 years ago.  Your call.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:49 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: And BTW, it's not to say that Nirvana isn't a good band - they were. But influential? Hardly. The Seattle grunge sound was an era just like hair metal, with only a few bands surviving out of it. Pearl Jam is to grunge was Bon Jovi is to hair metal. You don't hear the same crunchy guitars or lyrics that Kurt wrote in today's music. So they aren't influential.ÿÿOf course they are. How old are you? I'm old enough to remember that one day it was hair bands, the next it was grunge. Almost instantaneously. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is arguably the most influential song because of this. That was the first grunge song to get major airplay, both on radio and MTV. That one song has led us to today. I play guitar, but I won't get technical, because it's fairly easy to hear...but notice how before Nirvana (the hair band era) all the songs had that uplifting almost 'happy' sound. Then you go to post-Nirvana and it's almost all drop-D tunings, with an 'unhappy' sound. That's the best I can explain it to a layperson.ÿPoison's biggest hit was a downbeat song about a breakup.ÿ So was Cinderella's.ÿ In fact, the hair era was defined not just by the upbeat songs but the slow ballads as well. What has "Smells Like Teen Spirit" led us to?ÿ It's led to one thing, one of the few bands with sustained commercial success in alt-rock, and that's the Foo Fighters.ÿ Nirvana's heir apparent is Nickleback, because that's the only band that's come even close to replicating the melody sound (although the lyrics are coherent, unlike Nivanca) and be a successful band. Are you telling me that the nu-Punk bands sprang from Nirvana's sound?ÿ If anything nu-Punk sprang more from hair metal than grunge. ÿÿÿIt is way, way, WAY too early to tell how influential Nirvana is.ÿ And I have no doubt they ARE influential.ÿ But to put them on a list with no mention of the Stones or Zep is ludicrous.ÿYou're not getting what I'm saying. Cinderella and Poison's 'downbeat' songs were still done, musically, much the same way that the Beatles did their songs. Music is all about structure, and Poison/Cinderella were very, very similiar to the Beatles...Nirvana and the Beatles are polar opposites.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 10:51 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously.ÿPet Sounds is noted as one of most influential albums of the 20th century. ÿÿYeah...and I hear that all the time in todays music. Get real.ÿPlease point out where Nirvana's licks and/or Kurt's style of lyrics is in today's music?Pet Sounds was written 40 years ago.ÿ Nevermind was out 13 years ago.ÿ Your call.ÿEasy...turn on any rock station today, that plays current rock hits...that's Nirvana recycled. Has been for a few years now. Why do you think rock sales are down? There's been NOTHING new in rock since 1991. Same sound, different lyrics.

burrben

01-01-2007, 10:57 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: You're not getting what I'm saying. Cinderella and Poison's 'downbeat' songs were still done, musically, much the same way that the Beatles did their songs. Music is all about structure, and Poison/Cinderella were very, very similiar to the Beatles...Nirvana and the Beatles are polar opposites. "According to the 1993 Nirvana biography Come As You Are by Michael Azerrad, "About a Girl" was written after Cobain spent an entire afternoon listening to Meet the Beatles! repeatedly. At the time, Cobain was trying to conceal his pop songwriting instincts, and he was reluctant to include the song on Bleach for fear of alienating the band's then-exclusively grunge fanbase." - Wikipedia  

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Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 11:02 PM

burrben wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: You're not getting what I'm saying. Cinderella and Poison's 'downbeat' songs were still done, musically, much the same way that the Beatles did their songs. Music is all about structure, and Poison/Cinderella were very, very similiar to the Beatles...Nirvana and the Beatles are polar opposites. "According to the 1993 Nirvana biography Come As You Are by Michael Azerrad, "About a Girl" was written after Cobain spent an entire afternoon listening to Meet the Beatles! repeatedly. At the time, Cobain was trying to conceal his pop songwriting instincts, and he was reluctant to include the song on Bleach for fear of alienating the band's then-exclusively grunge fanbase." - Wikipediaÿÿ

This message was edited by burrben on 1-2-07 @ 2:58 AM

I've read that, and I've never said that the Beatles weren't an influence on Nirvana...of course they were. Every preceding era influences the next. Duh.

Kurt was also heavily influenced by the Pixies...which were great too, btw.

DJEvelEd

01-01-2007, 11:19 PM

Jimi Hendrix ExperienceButthole SurfersRushVan HalenBlack SabbathLed ZepEd Rush (Electronic)BeatlesRolling StonesSex Pistols          

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Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 11:22 PM

DJEvelEd wrote: Jimi Hendrix ExperienceButthole SurfersRushVan HalenBlack SabbathLed ZepEd Rush (Electronic)BeatlesRolling StonesSex Pistolsÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ

This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 1-2-07 @ 3:20 AMGot alot of best, but only a couple influential...not a bad list though.

Funwithcorpses

01-01-2007, 11:24 PM

BTW people...I LOVE, LOVE, Pink Floyd...but they aren't in this discussion...so understand how I judge.

A.J.

01-02-2007, 03:45 AM

Funwithcorpses wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Funwithcorpses wrote: Anyone that mentions the Beach Boys should be shot. Seriously.  Pet Sounds is noted as one of most influential albums of the 20th century. Yeah...and I hear that all the time in todays music. Get real. Yes, you do. Certainly in terms of production and recording techniques.

TheMojoPin

01-02-2007, 04:41 AM

The entire genre of "power pop" exists almost solely because of the 60's output of the Beach Boys and the Beatles up through Rubber Soul.  Anytime you hear a "rock" band with an awesome and almost sickeningly sweet hook in their songs, that's the Beach Boys.  Yes, their output after the 60's is pretty hideous, but ignoring the impact and continued influenced and flat out quality of their 60's music, especially the latter part of the decade, is almost criminal.

Lumber

01-02-2007, 04:49 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Led Zeppelin is missing.  And the Beach Boys were more influential than Nirvana.  Nirvana changed music for about three years.           I could'nt agree more .  BTW Matt...who is this Moron?

A.J.

01-02-2007, 05:13 AM

trackstand

01-02-2007, 05:15 AM

"There's been NOTHING new in rock since 1991" That's easily the stupidist thing I hear from shortsighted ignoooramussussess like yourself.You want something new try:KasabianPorcupine TreeProphet Omega.....................I wish I had the time to ream you one for that DUMB comment.Who are you? STING!!!!!

TheMojoPin

01-02-2007, 05:28 AM

trackstand wrote: "There's been NOTHING new in rock since 1991" That's easily the stupidist thing I hear from shortsighted ignoooramussussess like yourself.You want something new try:KasabianPorcupine TreeProphet Omega.....................I wish I had the time to ream you one for that DUMB comment.Who are you? STING!!!!!Holy crap, those are some awful and some awfully derivative bands.  Porcupine Tree are basically Pink Floyd mixed with Love mixed with some "alternative" crunch.  And they've been around since 1987, so how in God's name are they "new?"  Kasabian are just the Stone Roses merged with Oasis.  A bunch of hippy-dippy noodling loosely strung together with some random Madchester hooks we had already heard a thousand times over by 1993.  Omega Three I've never heard of, but I'm assuming they're terrible based on the other two bands you hurled out there.At least Sting managed to put out a few albums' worth of genuinely good music with the Police and as a solo artist.

angelinad128

01-02-2007, 06:02 AM

Nirvana sucks!

burrben

01-02-2007, 07:55 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: trackstand wrote: "There's been NOTHING new in rock since 1991" That's easily the stupidist thing I hear from shortsighted ignoooramussussess like yourself.You want something new try:KasabianPorcupine TreeProphet Omega.....................I wish I had the time to ream you one for that DUMB comment.Who are you? STING!!!!!Holy crap, those are some awful and some awfully derivative bands.  Porcupine Tree are basically Pink Floyd mixed with Love mixed with some "alternative" crunch.  And they've been around since 1987, so how in God's name are they "new?"  Kasabian are just the Stone Roses merged with Oasis.  A bunch of hippy-dippy noodling loosely strung together with some random Madchester hooks we had already heard a thousand times over by 1993.  Omega Three I've never heard of, but I'm assuming they're terrible based on the other two bands you hurled out there.At least Sting managed to put out a few albums' worth of genuinely good music with the Police and as a solo artist.the lute album?

Fat_Sunny

01-02-2007, 08:01 AM

1. Beatles2. Bob Dylan3. The Who4. Buffalo Springfield And Its Offshoots (CSN/CSNY/Poco/Loggins & Messina, etc)5. Neal Young  Nirvana And Black Sabbath Are Not Even On The Historical Radar Screen!PS Yes, Fat Knows That Bob Dylan And Neal Young Are Not "Groups"

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TheMojoPin

01-02-2007, 08:39 AM

burrben wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: trackstand wrote: "There's been NOTHING new in rock since 1991" That's easily the stupidist thing I hear from shortsighted ignoooramussussess like yourself.You want something new try:KasabianPorcupine TreeProphet Omega.....................I wish I had the time to ream you one for that DUMB comment.Who are you? STING!!!!!Holy crap, those are some awful and some awfully derivative bands.  Porcupine Tree are basically Pink Floyd mixed with Love mixed with some "alternative" crunch.  And they've been around since 1987, so how in God's name are they "new?"  Kasabian are just the Stone Roses merged with Oasis.  A bunch of hippy-dippy noodling loosely strung together with some random Madchester hooks we had already heard a thousand times over by 1993.  Omega Three I've never heard of, but I'm assuming they're terrible based on the other two bands you hurled out there.At least Sting managed to put out a few albums' worth of genuinely good music with the Police and as a solo artist.the lute album?Damn that lute album.Sting basically should have stopped existing about a decade ago.

epo

01-02-2007, 09:39 AM

Nirvana?  WTF?  The Pixies just called and they want their gimmick back!  Also, nobody has mentioned Big Star as of yet.

ralphbxny

01-02-2007, 01:00 PM

Funwithcorpses wrote: DJEvelEd wrote: Jimi Hendrix ExperienceButthole SurfersRushVan HalenBlack SabbathLed ZepEd Rush (Electronic)BeatlesRolling StonesSex Pistols          This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 1-2-07 @ 3:20 AM  Got alot of best, but only a couple influential...not a bad list though. Agreed!

FezPaul

01-02-2007, 08:03 PM

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Fat_Sunny

01-02-2007, 08:21 PM

Rush?  Eek!  Chick Band!

FezPaul

01-02-2007, 08:23 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: Rush?  Eek!  Chick Band!Is that you Fallon?

Fallon

01-02-2007, 08:25 PM

FezPaul wrote:Is that you Fallon?Thought you'd like it in your mod quote. Looks good!!!

Fat_Sunny

01-02-2007, 08:27 PM

Fat Doesn't Know Anyone Named Fallon.  Is He A Rush Hater?

Gaia

01-02-2007, 09:53 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: And for someone who is so intelligent, nice job putting this in the wrong forum. You tickle me!! HAHA! Ahhhhhhh.....

lintpit

01-03-2007, 01:39 AM

ummm Do Huey Lewis and the News count ???