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phixion

01-04-2007, 05:18 AM

<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/485561p-408789c.html">http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/485561p-408789c.html</a>why not just throw out the constitution? itd be easier. and we wont have to play lets pretend anymore.

dereckfishboy

01-04-2007, 05:21 AM

This is when we as voters and taxpayers are supposed to dissent....

A.J.

01-04-2007, 05:23 AM

Tell him to buy his OWN copy of Perfect 10.

cupcakelove

01-04-2007, 05:27 AM

I don't mind if he opens my mail, as long as he pays the bills he opens.  Everything else I get is either junk mail, or birthday/christmas/easter cards from my grandmother.But seriously, Bush just wants to do away with the three branches of government and install himself as dictatorer.  This isn't anything new.

Zorro

01-04-2007, 05:40 AM

People still use the mail?

FUNKMAN

01-04-2007, 06:02 AM

"Stay Out The Mail"

DJEvelEd

01-04-2007, 06:08 AM

I'm almost 39 and this is not that same America I grew up in. We are like Russia was and they are more like we were.Scary, unless you're part of the ruling class. Then who cares right?

Freakshow

01-04-2007, 06:08 AM

A.J. wrote: Tell him to buy his OWN copy of Perfect 10.

I think he wants another CapitalOne Card. What's in your wallet????

FUNKMAN

01-04-2007, 06:11 AM

i just liked to know what warrants this action to no warrant?

GonzoStyle

01-04-2007, 06:15 AM

I missed the "warrant" part and figured he was finally all grown up and opening his own mail, soon he'll be walking upright and wiping his own ass.

A.J.

01-04-2007, 06:20 AM

FUNKMAN wrote: i just liked to know what warrants this action to no warrant? <img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000026M3.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" width="500" height="500" />

Snacks

01-04-2007, 06:31 AM

what has happened to this country? I dont want to hear 9/11. They keep using that as an excuse for everything and all these stupid fuckers fall for it. The right is suppose to not want big govt. and they are suppose to be the "conservative" spenders. Someone else said this feels like Russia, well it may even be worse. We have lost so much freedom in this country. A lot of people that have their conspiricy theories about 9/11 and are said to be nuts/crazy. Well the more shit like this that happens and the more they use "well we were attacked we need to protect ourselves, we need to do whatever we need to, I will give up freedoms b/c we were attacked" Makes me believe that those conspiricy theory people are right about 9/11 that the govt did this, b/c they have scared Americans to let the govt do as they want.Enough is enough. I stll dont understand how he was elected in 2000 but what is even more shocking is how after all that he has done how the fuck did we re-elect this adm in 2004. You can not defend the adm at all. They have done nothing for this country. The economy is shit. Yeah the #s look good on paper but the rich got richer and middle class isnt even middle class. The gap has just widened. We are not safer, we are hated around the world, our education is over priced at all levels yet our scoring continues to go down and doesnt compare with the rest of the world.This is just sad what has happened to Our America, it has been hijacked and not by muslims.

This message was edited by Snacks on 1-4-07 @ 10:34 AM

FUNKMAN

01-04-2007, 06:36 AM

if you ain't breaking the law then you have nothing to worry about. if you are using the mail system to break the law then you are taking a chance anyway"don't yell fire in a crowded movie theater or in your mail" is what they always say

Yerdaddy

01-04-2007, 06:41 AM

They're all the same! Democrats do bad stuff too! Don't you want to win the Wurr on Turr? Clinton! Clinton! Clinton!

phixion

01-04-2007, 06:45 AM

if you ain't breaking the law then you have nothing to worry about. but i break the law every fuckin day. in every blunt i roll, every acid trip i take, every time i add fungus to my pizza. and thats what pisses me off i had dealers in upstate ny that would take care of me. when everyone else was dry, i send em a check, and i get coffee grounds and an ounce in the mail. i cant find mushrooms anywhere anymore, they have it all over the place up there. im not a terrorist i just have habits.

Midkiff

01-04-2007, 06:47 AM

In the immortal words of 2 Live Crew or whoever the hell it was, "FUCK THE MOTHER FUCKING PRESIDENT!"FUCK THE MOTHER FUCKING PRESIDENT!

Zorro

01-04-2007, 07:52 AM

He's STAMPING on our rights

Yerdaddy

01-04-2007, 08:24 AM

The humor on this board has taken a very distinctive turn. And I think Funkman should be punished!

FezPaul

01-04-2007, 08:38 AM

Maybe he'll open phixion's mail and die of boredom.

Jujubees2

01-04-2007, 08:40 AM

FUNKMAN wrote: if you ain't breaking the law then you have nothing to worry about. if you are using the mail system to break the law then you are taking a chance anyway"don't yell fire in a crowded movie theater or in your mail" is what they always say That is the biggest BS excuse!  The constitution gives us freedoms that shouldn't be taken away from us.  If you aren't breaking the law then I guess you shuld also let the government come in and check you house whenever they want.Once again, the terrorists have won!

DJEvelEd

01-04-2007, 08:45 AM

Yeah, you really gotta give the terrorists props for knowing how to fuck up our country. They have beaten us and destroyed our free way of life. Imagine, around 20 people with knives defeating the once great United States. Who would've thought?That's pretty fuckin sad really...         ...and it's not over yet!!!

FezPaul

01-04-2007, 08:47 AM

DJEvelEd wrote: ...and it's not over yet!!!Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

ChrisTheCop

01-04-2007, 10:52 AM

Yep. The terrorists have won.I remember when we could get on a message board and complain about our government.Sigh. Those were the days.

Furtherman

01-04-2007, 11:26 AM

I'm torn about this one.  I didn't mind the phone tapping when the story came out because I always figured they'd be able to listen whether or not you liked it or if it was illegal.  They've been doing that for decades.  And yes, I did take the "If you're not doing anything illegal, then don't worry about it" stance.And now this.  This is the U.S. Mail - the best mail system in the world and a huge part of our country's beginning.  It helped bring us all together.  Who didn't love hearing the mail slot bang when you were a kid and run to the door to see if you got any?  Waiting for the Sears catalogue to see the new toys!  Letters on your birthday that you knew held cash?  That's a good memory.Now, if you read the article you'll see that the law actually reinforces protections of first-class mail from searches without a court's approval.That's a good thing. But it's the declaring the right to open people's mail under emergency circumstances that troubles me.  If there was another anthrax scare - I don't think people would mind if there were precautions taken to open their mail if there is reason to suspect anthrax.  If there are mail bombs going off - same thing.  I don't think you need to declare that in an emergency situation you're going to do that.  I'd like to think common sense would have you do that anyway.So now I just don't trust this.  I do think Bush is abusing power.  And he's not smart enough to abuse power correctly.  But whoever is pulling the strings certainly has their reasons.  I was willing to budge on the phones, as I think sacrifice is needed to be protected, but now the slide down the slippery slope has started.  And you know what that means.  Men marrying cows!!

Don Stugots

01-04-2007, 11:27 AM

lets just move to canada and get over it. 

Snacks

01-04-2007, 12:23 PM

Don Stugots wrote: lets just move to canada and get over it.  maybe we should, you can smoke, have sex, and get free health care. No other country hates them nor do terrorist go there. Its too cold for them.

Zorro

01-04-2007, 01:03 PM

Hopefully the new congress will DELIVER us from this oppression

ChrisTheCop

01-04-2007, 01:50 PM

I'm sure he has his advisors.<img src="http://www.eyeonstarwars.com/episode1/picture/e492.jpg" border="0" width="503" height="344" />

Midkiff

01-04-2007, 05:43 PM

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epo

01-04-2007, 06:36 PM

"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." - George W. Bush.  December 18, 2000.

BLZBUBBA

01-04-2007, 06:58 PM

Shouldn't those agreeing with Bush see a problem?  HE'S SETTING A PRECEDENT!  There will be other politicians down the road (those THEY don't trust) who'll be able to open their mail and listen to their phone calls.  I wouldn't give anyone that much power.  But if they still trust Bush seeing that as a potential problem may be asking a bit much.

guttersnipe

01-04-2007, 07:02 PM

The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism: <a href="http://www.bushflash.com/14.html">Look familiar?</a>

foodcourtdruide

01-04-2007, 07:22 PM

A year or so ago, when the NYPD implemented random bag searches on the subway my co-workers and I debated the government taking away our freedoms for security.It became pretty heated, as two of us were extremely liberal/borderline anarchist and my co-workers were republicans. It's amazing how they were willing to give away our rights then, and it just keeps going. Our ultimate argument was, "Why not just strip all of us of our rights and throw us in prison? That would guarentee no more terrorism."I think our government should be looking for the happy medium between security and civil rights. When you throw away your civil rights, the term "freedom" no longer means anything. In the words of Benjamin Franklin:Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Can the rubes in this country please stop handing off our Essential Liberties?!

scottinnj

01-04-2007, 07:23 PM

FezPaul wrote: DJEvelEd wrote: ...and it's not over yet!!!Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?The Germans?

epo

01-04-2007, 07:25 PM

scottinnj wrote: FezPaul wrote: DJEvelEd wrote: ...and it's not over yet!!!Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?The Germans?Forget it, he's rolling.

scottinnj

01-04-2007, 07:27 PM

BLZBUBBA wrote: Shouldn't those agreeing with Bush see a problem?  HE'S SETTING A PRECEDENT!  There will be other politicians down the road (those THEY don't trust) who'll be able to open their mail and listen to their phone calls.  I wouldn't give anyone that much power.  But if they still trust Bush seeing that as a potential problem may be asking a bit much.  Uh, not that I am excusing what the Prez is doing, but it ain't precedent.  Opening letters and censoring information was soooooo bad in World War II troops and families were getting other people's letters in their envelopes.  There was a whole section of the Post Office whose job was to read the mail going to and from soldiers overseas.

scottinnj

01-04-2007, 07:30 PM

Having just posted that, I think the Prez has stepped over the line.  Let's hope Congress will pull him back.  I sort of am okay with the wiretaps, and the email crap has been around since McVeigh bombed the Murrah building with Reno investigating the militias.  (I'm a right wing kook, and I thought that was a GOOD thing.)But what is his reasoning for opeining mail?  Does he have evidence that there is a plot or something?

scottinnj

01-04-2007, 07:36 PM

Despite the President's statement that he may be able to circumvent a basic privacy protection, the new postal law continues to prohibit the government from snooping into people's mail without a warrant," said Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the incoming House Government Reform Committee chairman, who co-sponsored the bill. Experts said the new powers could be easily abused and used to vacuum up large amounts of mail. "The [Bush] signing statement claims authority to open domestic mail without a warrant, and that would be new and quite alarming," said Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies in Washington __________________________________________________ _______________________________________________Let's hope the vacuum gets the junk mail, and a couple of my credit card statements.