I'm Filing For Divorce

[Gvac]

<p class="blogContent">Before you all lose your minds and scream &quot;Wait a minute, G...I thought you were single!&quot; let me assure all of you that I am indeed free and unattached. (Women - feel free to send nude pics.) I'm talking about divorcing myself from something I've been mentally, emotionally, and financially attached to for over 30 years. I've given everything I could into this relationship and received nothing but heartbreak in return. It's been like a marriage where the wife doesn't work, cook, clean, put out, or contribute in any way. How in the world am I supposed to remain loyal to such a sadistic and uncaring mate? <br /><br />I'm talking, of course, about the Cincinnati Bengals. I've been an ardent supporter and die hard fan since childhood and have been shit on time and time again by those bastards. I've purchased thousands of dollars worth of merchandise emblazoned with their logo over the years, and have attended every game they've played in the New York area (against the Jets or Giants) since 1974. I got to see them get to the Super Bowl twice, only to be beaten by Joe Montana and the 49ers both times. Aside from a couple of AFC Championships there's been very little to cheer about. <br /><br />I threatened to jump ship a few years ago because the ownership seemed to care very little about winning, but when they hired Marvin Lewis as their head coach and actually allowed him to hire some scouts and have input on the draft I decided to renew my loyalty. It appeared they were heading in the right direction after successive 8-8 seasons and even won their division last year. This year, however, it was the same old Cincinnati slide. Eight (yes, 8) different players on the team were arrested for a variety of violations and the team returned to mediocrity with another 8-8 year. <br /><br />I've had enough. I've decided I'm not going to continue putting myself through hell for this team any more. This is a brand new age that we're living in, and if players can change teams whenever they please, why not the fans? Think of me as a free agent supporter. I'll go wherever I get the greatest return. <br /><br />The last thing I want to do is give my heart to a new team and have them destroy me somewhere down the road just like the Bengals have, so I've come up with a solution to that problem also. My loyalty will be like a cell phone contract - 2 years. For 24 months, the team of my choice will have my undying support and devotion. At the end of the contract, however, it is entirely my choice whether I decide to renew or walk away. I might even remain a fan on a month-to-month basis, keeping my eyes peeled for a better deal elsewhere. <br /><br />Go ahead, call me disloyal or a bandwagon fan. Just think about me the next time the superstar of your favorite team leaves for a few more bucks somewhere else. <br /><br />I'm waiting until August when the exhibition games start before I pick my new NFL team, but I'll be sure to let you all know when I do. I just hope there's no early termination fee if they shit the bed right out of the gate.</p>

[weekapaugjz]

gvac, im in the same boat as you.&nbsp; i dont think the buffalo bills could rip my heart out any more than they already have.&nbsp; i mean, 4 SUPER BOWLS IN A ROW!!?!?!? WTF???&nbsp; then the recent years of losman, dealing with rob johnson, and the suckiness of bledsoe, that forward lateral against tenessee, wide right, etc., etc., etc,.&nbsp; ive wanted to quit being a bills fan many times but im sticking with them.&nbsp; what if cincy wins the super bowl next year?&nbsp; would you be a fan of them again?&nbsp; stick with your team, it sucks when they lose but if, and when, they win it all, you can say you've been there through all the shit.

[lleeder]

Unless you pick the team before training camp you are a front runner. I believe you can switch teams but it has to be a team that is bad right now. That way you have some pain before the glory. You can't transfer you pain from the Bengals. Pick now or your stuck with them next year.

[BoondockSaint]

Don't be bringing your jinx to the Steelers.

[Kevin]

You do realize that this means the Bengals will be winning the Superbowl next year.... YOU CAN COUNT ON IT!!!

[EliSnow]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><p class="blogContent"><strong><font size="1" color="#000000">I'm Filing For Divorce</font></strong></p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">If Gvac follows the standard road after divorce, we'll soon see him hitting the bars, and trying to hook with different teams every night.&nbsp; He'll have a one-night stand with the Steelers and then the Chargers, sit with the Dolphins and bitch about his ex, and one day he'll wake up next to the&nbsp;Jets and wondered what the fuck happened the night before.&nbsp; We'll see a picture of him obviously haggard and run-down after weeks of partying and sexing up different teams.</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3">Then he'll have a rebound relationship with the Patriots.&nbsp; That will help him to get his head on straight, and later he'll be able to find true love with the right team.</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3">Just remember Gvac, we're here for you.</font></p>

[burrben]

jump ship, in fact i think they should move the team out of ohio. i say trade them to denver (where ever that is) for the broncos. that way i can go to broncos games and i don't have to have &quot;who dey&quot; shouted at me every time i walk down the street on a game day.

[Marc with a c]

<p>unacceptable.</p><p>edit: i pm'd you some pictures</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Marc with a c on 1-8-07 @ 5:52 PM</span>

[reeshy]

Most definately the gayest thread ever!!!!!!!!!!

[reillyluck]

<p>Damn it!!! dont scare me like that!!!!!</p><p>but im sorry for your seperation.&nbsp; Im glad i pm'd you those nude photos!!!</p>

[walking joint]

at least your teams have gone to the Superbowl in your lifetime.&nbsp; I'm a Chiefs fan and i'd take a playoff win.&nbsp; and to make it worse we are stuck with Herm Edwards.&nbsp; but i can never dump them.&nbsp; they break my heart all the time, but i come back for more year after year.&nbsp;

[patsopinion]

<p>we would be more then happy to have you over in gold country.</p><p>Where your team failed to win the big one you can now translate those losses into found memories.</p><p>The niners are a very young team with a lot of upside and a dynamic offense with great young talent.</p>

[sailor]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br /><p>unacceptable.</p><p>edit: i pm'd you some pictures</p> <span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Marc with a c on 1-8-07 @ 5:52 PM</span><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">i don't exactly see how gay porn will help the matter.<br /></font></p>

[Marc with a c]

<strong>sailor</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br /><p>unacceptable.</p><p>edit: i pm'd you some pictures</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Marc with a c on 1-8-07 @ 5:52 PM</span> <p>&nbsp;<font size="2">i don't exactly see how gay porn will help the matter.<br /></font></p><p>sucks to be you.</p>

[sailor]

<font size="2">i think it's great that <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061208" target="_blank" title="one more was arressted...don't bother me about the math">15%</a> of the bengals team was arrested this year.&nbsp; crazy!<br /></font>

[cougarjake13]

i like the idea of switching allegiances but how can you possibly celebrate fully with the new team when you havent had the years of agony

[TheGameHHH]

jump to the patriots, its a good feeling.

[Ogre]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />i like the idea of switching allegiances but how can you possibly celebrate fully with the new team when you havent had the years of agony <p>I concur.&nbsp; When the Redskins win the SuperBowl next season it will be made that much sweeter by the abortion and embarrasment that was this season.&nbsp; Besides I heard Dr. Johnny Fever was hired by the club as an intervention counselor.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>TheGameHHH</strong> wrote:<br />jump to the patriots, its a good feeling. <p>it wont be a good feeling in six days when they lose to chargers </p>

[Bama]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br />You do realize that this means the Bengals will be winning the Superbowl next year.... YOU CAN COUNT ON IT!!! <p>I was going to post the exact same thing when I read his post.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'd suggest going with a team in your area (Jets or Giants). </p><p>I'm sticking with the Saints but since I live in NOVA&nbsp;now I declare myself on the Redskins bandwagon as well. The place looks pretty roomy these days. </p>

[badorties]

<strong>burrben</strong> wrote:<br />jump ship, in fact i think they should move the team out of ohio. <strong><em><font color="#ff0000">i say trade them to denver (where ever that is) for the broncos.</font></em></strong> that way i can go to broncos games and i don't have to have &quot;who dey&quot; shouted at me every time i walk down the street on a game day. <p>it's in yellow ...</p><p><img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:0BgbrG_GjT0qTM:http://www.britainusa.com/images/maps/usa_denver_lg.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="226" /></p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p><font size="3"><strong>Welcome To The Club!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">I&nbsp;gave up on the Vikings after the 99' season and the loss in the NFC Championship to Atlanta. Had been a fan since 67'</font></strong></p><p>too much misery to tell</p><p>My younger brother has been and remains a die-hard Viking fan. He's got the viking-head tattoo'd on his arm and a solid gold pendant</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Bossanova]

<p>Gvac, I would like to extend an invitation to the Eagle fan sickness</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

gvac, will you also be ditching the reds ????

[Gvac]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />gvac, will you also be ditching the reds ????<p>Never CJ! </p><p>The Reds have rewarded me with 3 World Series victories in my lifetime.&nbsp; I'll love them forever. &nbsp;</p><p>I've also seen my Detroit Red Wings go to 4 Stanley Cup Finals, and win it 3 times. &nbsp;</p><p>The Bengals have given me shit.&nbsp;</p>

[Captain Rooster]

<p><img src="http://www.bengals.fanspace.com/whodey.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>How could you, Gvac ... how could you? Turn in your stripes. </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Captain Rooster on 1-8-07 @ 8:40 PM</span>

[keithy_19]

<p>The Bengals used to be my AFC team. I'll forever be a Giants fan, but the Bengals always made me happy. I always kept myself distant though. They were like a fuck buddy for me. </p><p>The Giants on the other hand, well, they're my relationship and they've kicked me in the balls a few times over recent years. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Gvac]

I like this idea.&nbsp; I'll keep the Bengals as a fuck buddy on the odd chance that they do eventually win the Super Bowl.&nbsp; Then I can drag out all of my paraphernalia and tell everyone I've been a fan for over 30 years.

[EliSnow]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="3"><strong>Welcome To The Club!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">I&nbsp;gave up on the Vikings after the 99' season and the loss in the NFC Championship to Atlanta. Had been a fan since 67'</font></strong></p><p>too much misery to tell</p><p>My younger brother has been and remains a die-hard Viking fan. He's got the viking-head tattoo'd on his arm and a solid gold pendant</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Traitor.</font></p>

[Kevin]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br />I like this idea. I'll keep the Bengals as a fuck buddy on the odd chance that they do eventually win the Super Bowl. Then I can drag out all of my paraphernalia and tell everyone I've been a fan for over 30 years. <p>&nbsp;NO, <font size="3">NO</font>, <font size="5">NO</font>,<font size="7">NO</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You CAN NOT!!! Go back to the team that you gave up on, if they make a SB. Once a turncoat give up traitor, always one. Its going to be sweet when they win the SB next year and your stuck rooting for another team, and they have the #1 pick in the draft.&nbsp;</p>

[ralphbxny]

Like Ron B once said...being a sports fan is like being an abused wife.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br />gvac, will you also be ditching the reds ???? <p>Never CJ! </p><p>The Reds have rewarded me with 3 World Series victories in my lifetime.&nbsp; I'll love them forever. &nbsp;</p><p>I've also seen my Detroit Red Wings go to 4 Stanley Cup Finals, and win it 3 times. &nbsp;</p><p>The Bengals have given me shit.&nbsp;</p><p>gotcha </p><p>hell even the cincinatti bearcats have won more than the bengwads</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="3"><strong>Welcome To The Club!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">I&nbsp;gave up on the Vikings after the 99' season and the loss in the NFC Championship to Atlanta. Had been a fan since 67'</font></strong></p><p>too much misery to tell</p><p>My younger brother has been and remains a die-hard Viking fan. He's got the viking-head tattoo'd on his arm and a solid gold pendant</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Traitor.</font></p><p>but what if I haven't picked any other team to follow? &nbsp;which i haven't</p>

[lintpit]

<strong>weekapaugjz</strong> wrote:<br />gvac, im in the same boat as you.&nbsp; i dont think the buffalo bills could rip my heart out any more than they already have.&nbsp; i mean, 4 SUPER BOWLS IN A ROW!!?!?!? WTF???&nbsp; then the recent years of losman, dealing with rob johnson, and the suckiness of bledsoe, that forward lateral against tenessee, wide right, etc., etc., etc,.&nbsp; ive wanted to quit being a bills fan many times but im sticking with them.&nbsp; what if cincy wins the super bowl next year?&nbsp; would you be a fan of them again?&nbsp; stick with your team, it sucks when they lose but if, and when, they win it all, you can say you've been there through all the shit. <p>Way to be strong . We Bills fans Know that our day to smile is just around the corner.</p>

[Tater]

How in tarnation does a fan quit after so many years? I love my Saints, and my son's school Florida. Loyalty is what its all about, man.

[A.J.]

I know how you feel brother.&nbsp; After 2003, I seriously thought about bailing on my beloved BoSox and becoming a Nats fan.&nbsp; I was sick of acting like the abused wife on <em>Cops</em> who keeps taking back the husband that smacks her around.&nbsp;

[EliSnow]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="3"><strong>Welcome To The Club!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">I&nbsp;gave up on the Vikings after the 99' season and the loss in the NFC Championship to Atlanta. Had been a fan since 67'</font></strong></p><p>too much misery to tell</p><p>My younger brother has been and remains a die-hard Viking fan. He's got the viking-head tattoo'd on his arm and a solid gold pendant</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Traitor.</font></p><p>but what if I haven't picked any other team to follow? &nbsp;which i haven't</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Is abandoning someone any better if you don't shack up with someone else&nbsp;afterwards?&nbsp; I think not.&nbsp; </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3"></font></p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" width="20" height="20" /></p>

[AKA]

<p>I hear ya, GVAC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>The Danny Snyder Redskins era has made it very tough to remain a fan - I can't switch loyalties, tho - I'd rather give up on the sport completely&nbsp;- too much time and emotion invested with the team&nbsp;(if the Colts had remained in Baltimore, that might be another story) - I just go into each season with a level of dread and drunken hope. In some ways, having been to the mountain top (5 Super Bowl appearances in my lifetime, and 3 wins) makes coming back to reality worse - especially when you look at how much worse things really did get since that last win 15 years ago.</p><p>At least these days, I now have baseball to look forward to when the Skins shit the bed - that's something new to me. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[DJEvelEd]

Why wait till August!

GO PATRIOTS!!!

Everyone knows they're winning it all...again. Do you really think a young QB like Rivers is gonna beat Brady this week in crunchtime?

That's like 4/6 Superbowls now? Yeah, I'm on the bandwagon. Brady reminds me of Joe Montana.

<span class=post_edited>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by DJEvelEd on 1-9-07 @ 9:04 AM</span>

[phixion]

<p>gvac how are u bitching about ur bengals when they at least got to the superbowl? im a jets fan and im 22, ive never seen my team int eh superbowl and im still a huge fan. i think it was superclerk who said it best when talking about the mets, i love them like i would love my retarded son.</p><p>u lost to the best qb arguably ever. i hate michael jordan for stopping my knicks from bringing home at least three championships in the 90s. but im still a knick fan, even with the worst owner in sports. and because of the ownership i wont buy anything with the knicks logo on it because i know hes amking a dime off it. but i still like the team. </p><p>feel good about this: you have the third best qb in the game on ur team, the best wideout, and the most underrated back in the league. if u improve your defense then u have a championship shot, gvac i even predicted ur bengals would be at the superbowl this year, so dont blame your team blame ME. </p>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="3"><strong>Welcome To The Club!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">I&nbsp;gave up on the Vikings after the 99' season and the loss in the NFC Championship to Atlanta. Had been a fan since 67'</font></strong></p><p>too much misery to tell</p><p>My younger brother has been and remains a die-hard Viking fan. He's got the viking-head tattoo'd on his arm and a solid gold pendant</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Traitor.</font></p><p>but what if I haven't picked any other team to follow? &nbsp;which i haven't</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Is abandoning someone any better if you don't shack up with someone else&nbsp;afterwards?&nbsp; I think not.&nbsp; </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3"></font></p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" width="20" height="20" /></p><p>do you think they miss me?&nbsp;&nbsp;i don't think so!&nbsp; and how can you compare watching football to all that is wonderful which is a woman? you've gone soft my friend...</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" /></p>

[JerseyRich]

<p>G.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Like a brother, I love you. Well maybe more like a retarded cousin, I love you. But may I recommend that you you switch to a different sport alltogether. A sport of civilized men. A sport of growing international acclaim. A sport that requires you to wear itchy sweaters and white pants. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think it's right up your alley!</p><p><img src="http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/reuters_molt/4229891279.jpg" border="0" width="303" height="450" />&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The English sport of Cricket!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The west indian and indian guys are playing it all around the tri-state area...I suggest you sit in on a match and have a cup of tea while doing so.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>American Football is for barbarians anyway. Join us Gvac!&nbsp;</p>

[EliSnow]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font size="3"><strong>Welcome To The Club!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">I&nbsp;gave up on the Vikings after the 99' season and the loss in the NFC Championship to Atlanta. Had been a fan since 67'</font></strong></p><p>too much misery to tell</p><p>My younger brother has been and remains a die-hard Viking fan. He's got the viking-head tattoo'd on his arm and a solid gold pendant</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Traitor.</font></p><p>but what if I haven't picked any other team to follow? &nbsp;which i haven't</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Is abandoning someone any better if you don't shack up with someone else&nbsp;afterwards?&nbsp; I think not.&nbsp; </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3"></font></p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" width="20" height="20" /></p><p>and how can you compare watching football to all that is wonderful which is a woman? you've gone soft my friend...</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Blame Gvac.&nbsp; He's the one&nbsp;who equated his&nbsp;loyalty to the Bengals&nbsp;to a marriage.&nbsp; I'm just&nbsp;sticking with the joke.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</font></p>

[Earlshog]

<font face="Helv" size="2"><p>I understand the disappointment you are feeling. I am a Phillies fan who was too young for the 80 team. The better part of my life the Phillies were (with the exception of the 93 season) baseballs laughing stock. Futhermore I played baseball pretty much from the time I could walk through college so it really hurt that something I put so much passion in, a sport I pretty much breathed 24/7 365 playing and as a fan, to a team that lost 90 to 100 games summer after summer. Every year was wait till next year, then in the off season they would trade for some way past there prime pitcher and maybe over pay via free agency for some outfielder on the decline. Year after year repeat. But hope springs eternal and every April I would have hope, only to have that hope dashed by mid May. As much as it sucked I could never bail on that team. That's my team!!! I poured my blood sweet and tears into them for so many years. The highs (very few), the lows (far more common). How many arguments did I have in grade school, high-school, in the dugout, in the bars, etc supporting the team that deep down I knew wasn't going to win, but still defended. I try to think of how much sweeter it will be if they win a championship. I will definitely appreciate that more having endured all this heartache. </p><p>So I am pleading you to go back home sit down and talk this through. You can reach a solution. You don't need to get a divorce. We are catholic we don't believe in divorce. </p><p>And as a side issue not really dealing with above but you did mention in your post. Just because players go somewhere else for more money doesn't discourage me ever from rooting for my team. Lets make that point relative to us. Lets say you are making $75,000 at your job and the guy down the street offers you $150,000 to do the same job, what are you going to do? Say no I won't take a 50% raise? If you would it puts you in a very small minority.</p><p>Phillies in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!! </p></font>

[FezPaul]

<strong>JerseyRich</strong> wrote:<br /><p>G.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Like a brother, I love you. Well maybe more like a retarded cousin, I love you. But may I recommend that you you switch to a different sport alltogether. A sport of civilized men. A sport of growing international acclaim. A sport that requires you to wear itchy sweaters and white pants. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think it's right up your alley!</p><p><img src="http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/reuters_molt/4229891279.jpg" border="0" width="303" height="450" />&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The English sport of Cricket!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The west indian and indian guys are playing it all around the tri-state area...I suggest you sit in on a match and have a cup of tea while doing so.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>American Football is for barbarians anyway. Join us Gvac!&nbsp;</p><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">I would love to get into cricket...What channel is it on?</font></strong></p>

[riverofpiss]

<p>Stick with your team no matter what or it will come back to haunt you.&nbsp; I was a huge Hartford Whalers fan but was so bitter when they moved to stinkin' Carolina that I gave up on the franchise.&nbsp; I started cheering for the Oilers cuz I was going to school in Edmonton so last years final was terrible for me, seeing my old favourite team come back and beat my new team, it just sucked.</p>

[cougarjake13]

another bengal arrested

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6936574

that makes 10 in 14 months

[King Hippos Bandaid]

http://www.chickenshop.co.uk/acatalog/costum/smallimg/SM23009sm.jpg

[cougarjake13]

http://www.chickenshop.co.uk/acatalog/costum/smallimg/SM23009sm.jpg

hells yeh

they already got the stripes, just dont add the orange colors and bam you got your uni's

[sailor]

<p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">I would love to get into cricket...What channel is it on?</font></strong></p>

if you're in the area, drop by van cortlandt park virtually any weekend.

[torker]

I'm still trying to get past your bullshit thread title.