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Zorro

01-09-2007, 10:52 AM

NYRMB has a thread claiming that O&A tanked in the most recent ratings book. Any opinions... Here's what I heard about O&A: (12+) 1.6 - down from a 2.2 in the summer. (persons 25-54) 2.4 - down from 3.1 in the summer. (18-34) 3.1 - down from 4.1 in the summer. (men 25-54) 3.9 - down from 5.0 in the summer. 

This message was edited by Zorro on 1-9-07 @ 3:00 PM

Marc with a c

01-09-2007, 10:58 AM

it's probably true

jetdog

01-09-2007, 11:00 AM

I love OnA, but I just get so turned off when they talk about their ratings. I want them to rule the airwaves, sure, but I just hate it when they talk about it on the air.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:02 AM

The NYRMB has had some "haters" come out and post slams on O&A just to have radio dentist nuke the thread.But Vince Santarelli (who is legit) said that O&A took a hit. I have to agree... O&A are just not the same show in morning drive as they are in afternoon.  But these ratings are skewed because, of course, the core O&A audience is on XM, and not listening to Free.  If you had a way to extrapolate the O&A numbers on XM in the NYC market and then add them to the Free-FM numbers, you'd have a better situation. Show of hands - how many people listened to Free-FM for O&A if you already had XM?

Zorro

01-09-2007, 11:05 AM

I like him personally, but just think Norton dominates the show with his hate filled diatribes.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:06 AM

Also, don't forget - 1/4 of O&A's ratings belong to the DogHouse.

Bob Impact

01-09-2007, 11:07 AM

I haven't listened to O&A in at least a month.

K.C.

01-09-2007, 11:10 AM

When I listen, I listen on XM.

I don't think I've turned on WYSP since they started.

On the bright side, though, looks like Al Dukes will be available to produce again shortly.

MadMatt

01-09-2007, 11:10 AM

I only listen on XM - I barely listen to FM Radio anymore.  The only time I listen to regular radio is during R&F on WFNY, but that is over the internet (I'm in Philly).Were these the NY numbers?  I'm assuming they are.  What about the other markets?

jetdog

01-09-2007, 11:11 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Show of hands - how many people listened to Free-FM for O&A if you already had XM? I don't get the station in SF that carries them out here, but I wouldn't bother listening to the FM version anyway, what the fuck for static, commercials, cencorship? doesn't make any sense.

Marc with a c

01-09-2007, 11:11 AM

K.C. wrote:  On the bright side, though, looks like Al Dukes will be available to produce again shortly. what happened?

PhishHead

01-09-2007, 11:12 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: The NYRMB has had some "haters" come out and post slams on O&A just to have radio dentist nuke the thread.But Vince Santarelli (who is legit) said that O&A took a hit. I have to agree... O&A are just not the same show in morning drive as they are in afternoon. But these ratings are skewed because, of course, the core O&A audience is on XM, and not listening to Free. If you had a way to extrapolate the O&A numbers on XM in the NYC market and then add them to the Free-FM numbers, you'd have a better situation. Show of hands - how many people listened to Free-FM for O&A if you already had XM?    very good point matty...Matty for mod!!I listen on Xm and i believe a good majority does.

Zorro

01-09-2007, 11:15 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: The NYRMB has had some "haters" come out and post slams on O&A just to have radio dentist nuke the thread.But Vince Santarelli (who is legit) said that O&A took a hit. I have to agree... O&A are just not the same show in morning drive as they are in afternoon.  But these ratings are skewed because, of course, the core O&A audience is on XM, and not listening to Free.  If you had a way to extrapolate the O&A numbers on XM in the NYC market and then add them to the Free-FM numbers, you'd have a better situation. Show of hands - how many people listened to Free-FM for O&A if you already had XM?   This is not a valid argument for the ratings shift. The numbers are compared against themselves. For what you say to be true... xm listeners would have had to have left xm (be counted) gone to free-fm and then gone back to xm( subtracted from the count) I say this because O&A saw growth. Now they are retrenching. These are only Free-FM numbers. XM was never in the equation

SilentSpic

01-09-2007, 11:15 AM

I usually do not start listening to O&A until well after 10 and then again at 3.

ralphbxny

01-09-2007, 11:17 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">SilentSpic wrote: I usually do not start listening to O&A until well after 10 and then again at 3.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Same Here!

Zorro

01-09-2007, 11:17 AM

Matty's Doghouse argument makes sense.But remember it's not that they're not picking up numbers...they are losing them...

Earlshog

01-09-2007, 11:18 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Tenbatsuzen wrote: Also, don't forget - 1/4 of O&A's ratings belong to the DogHouse.ÿ<hr color="cococo" align="left">

that excuse works for the overall numbers but not with them slipping like this... the doghouse had that last hour all along...

I know on message boards people will overreact to this news. Maybe its an aberration, maybe they did peak, maybe a few changes have to be made... whatever the case is the choice will be made by people who know a lot more about radio then any of us...

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 11:22 AM

yea i start at 9 and then at 3 on and off and their show really isnt the same not saying its worse i just miss the relaxed less bitchy feel the old show had and if i didnt listen at work i wouldnt go out of my way to listen like i would rnf (not comparing just giving an example that i do go out of my way for somethings).

CofyCrakCocaine

01-09-2007, 11:23 AM

I never listen to O&A while they're on the radio at freefm. I listen to them on the replay on XM, in the afternoon, where it feels natural. I've come to appreciate Ron and Fez way more than O&A... the show is dominated by an overall mean spirit for the sake of being mean and shocking. When they started slamming the 'Harlem Hero' for two days straight, that indicated to me that they were losing their edge and were just flailing at anything that takes place in the world, a la Howard Stern. Pick your battles better guys.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:23 AM

Zorro wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: The NYRMB has had some "haters" come out and post slams on O&A just to have radio dentist nuke the thread.But Vince Santarelli (who is legit) said that O&A took a hit. I have to agree... O&A are just not the same show in morning drive as they are in afternoon.  But these ratings are skewed because, of course, the core O&A audience is on XM, and not listening to Free.  If you had a way to extrapolate the O&A numbers on XM in the NYC market and then add them to the Free-FM numbers, you'd have a better situation. Show of hands - how many people listened to Free-FM for O&A if you already had XM?   This is not a valid argument for the ratings shift. The numbers are compared against themselves. For what you say to be true... xm listeners would have had to have left xm (be counted) gone to free-fm and then gone back to xm( subtracted from the count) I say this because O&A saw growth. Now they are retrenching. These are only Free-FM numbers. XM was never in the equationYou're not getting what I'm saying. I would say a MAJORITY of the listeners that arbitron is counting is on Free-FM.  These people do not have XM.  This is strictly from the non-XM pool.  Anybody who puts O&A/XM on their diarty wouldn't be in these numbers.O&A's built-in, core audience is from XM, and aren't in these numbers.  If there was a way to get listener data of people in NYC that listened to O&A total, these numbers would be much, much highter. But the core, long-time listener of O&A already was listening on XM, and there is no reason for them to listen to Free.  Hence why the numbers are low and not growing.Also, one quarter of O&A's ratings are skewed because of Doghouse.  if the Doghouse took a major hit, then that could affect O&A's number.  You have to see what the numbers in the midday are. That's why R&F is so crucial here.  If R&F show growth in nights, then it shows there's a dedicated audience that will listen to XM AND Free and then cross-over.

Enabler

01-09-2007, 11:27 AM

Can I just ask, who gives a shit? I know that could be said for most message board fodder but its not like o&a will be replaced or anything. I doubt that anyone on here listens to either show because they heard how great the ratings were. O&A spend a lot of time telling people who disagree with them to "throw their radios away" or "dont listen" or "kill yourself." Maybe some have. Im not talking about Anthony of course, hes a saint.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:31 AM

Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have.

crb1

01-09-2007, 11:35 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: You're not getting what I'm saying.I would say a MAJORITY of the listeners that arbitron is counting is on Free-FM.  These people do not have XM.  This is strictly from the non-XM pool.  Anybody who puts O&A/XM on their diarty wouldn't be in these numbers.O&A's built-in, core audience is from XM, and aren't in these numbers.  If there was a way to get listener data of people in NYC that listened to O&A total, these numbers would be much, much highter. But the core, long-time listener of O&A already was listening on XM, and there is no reason for them to listen to Free.  Hence why the numbers are low and not growing.Also, one quarter of O&A's ratings are skewed because of Doghouse.  if the Doghouse took a major hit, then that could affect O&A's number.  You have to see what the numbers in the midday are. It sounds like JV & Elvis may have actually gone UP in the ratings, although I have yet to see hard numbers to prove that statement.  If that's the case, then it makes O&A actually look much worse for dropping the ratings.As far as the FreeFM/XM difference, it still doesn't explain the ratings drop. It would explain flat or low ratings, but not a drop in the ratings. The only spin there would be that people have signed up for XM, and are no longer listening to FreeFM.  Judging by the subscriber #'s, that's probably not the case.

weekapaugjz

01-09-2007, 11:42 AM

i could be way off on this just throwing it out there.  could the ratings have slipped because of the holidays and they are playing replays.  a lot of people will change the station when the worst of comes on because they have already heard it like 5 times already.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:45 AM

crb1 wrote: It sounds like JV & Elvis may have actually gone UP in the ratings, although I have yet to see hard numbers to prove that statement.  If that's the case, then it makes O&A actually look much worse for dropping the ratings.As far as the FreeFM/XM difference, it still doesn't explain the ratings drop. It would explain flat or low ratings, but not a drop in the ratings. The only spin there would be that people have signed up for XM, and are no longer listening to FreeFM.  Judging by the subscriber #'s, that's probably not the case. I've seen nothing to indicate the Doghouse had a great ratings book.  If they did, then O&A's in for a world of hurt, but if they didn't, at least there's some consolation. Abritron ratings have always, always, always been the least accurate way of getting ratings.  They require you to keep a diary and write down everything you do for a bright, shiny dollar. if 10 diaries go one way or 10 diaries go another, it can explain a drop in ratings.  There's always "corrections" if one area gets a certain number of diaries over another.  It's a very confusing and very inaccurate process. People listening on feeds, people hitting websites, people viewing on Youtube - those are hard listening/interest numbers that are accurate.  Arbitron is outdated and it sucks.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 11:45 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Zorro wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: The NYRMB has had some "haters" come out and post slams on O&A just to have radio dentist nuke the thread.But Vince Santarelli (who is legit) said that O&A took a hit. I have to agree... O&A are just not the same show in morning drive as they are in afternoon.  But these ratings are skewed because, of course, the core O&A audience is on XM, and not listening to Free.  If you had a way to extrapolate the O&A numbers on XM in the NYC market and then add them to the Free-FM numbers, you'd have a better situation. Show of hands - how many people listened to Free-FM for O&A if you already had XM?   This is not a valid argument for the ratings shift. The numbers are compared against themselves. For what you say to be true... xm listeners would have had to have left xm (be counted) gone to free-fm and then gone back to xm( subtracted from the count) I say this because O&A saw growth. Now they are retrenching. These are only Free-FM numbers. XM was never in the equationYou're not getting what I'm saying. I would say a MAJORITY of the listeners that arbitron is counting is on Free-FM.  These people do not have XM.  This is strictly from the non-XM pool.  Anybody who puts O&A/XM on their diarty wouldn't be in these numbers.O&A's built-in, core audience is from XM, and aren't in these numbers.  If there was a way to get listener data of people in NYC that listened to O&A total, these numbers would be much, much highter. But the core, long-time listener of O&A already was listening on XM, and there is no reason for them to listen to Free.  Hence why the numbers are low and not growing.Also, one quarter of O&A's ratings are skewed because of Doghouse.  if the Doghouse took a major hit, then that could affect O&A's number.  You have to see what the numbers in the midday are. That's why R&F is so crucial here.  If R&F show growth in nights, then it shows there's a dedicated audience that will listen to XM AND Free and then cross-over.yea but if the freefm #'s were up and now there down so the xm thing doesnt matter unless those people are going to xm and that way there listeners overall would be the same or higher while there freefm #'s are down. So it seems that the free #'s are down period and i dont think it really has anything to do with it, maybe i dont really know about these things.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:46 AM

weekapaugjz wrote: i could be way off on this just throwing it out there.  could the ratings have slipped because of the holidays and they are playing replays.  a lot of people will change the station when the worst of comes on because they have already heard it like 5 times already.  No.  Arbitron numbers don't include the last two weeks of december - no ratings are taken then. Also, I think these numbers are for fall - September, October, November.

crb1

01-09-2007, 11:46 AM

weekapaugjz wrote: i could be way off on this just throwing it out there.  could the ratings have slipped because of the holidays and they are playing replays.  a lot of people will change the station when the worst of comes on because they have already heard it like 5 times already.  According to a poster on the NYRMB, they don't take ratings for the last 2 weeks of December.  So, it would not have been an issue in the ratings.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 11:46 AM

weekapaugjz wrote: i could be way off on this just throwing it out there.  could the ratings have slipped because of the holidays and they are playing replays.  a lot of people will change the station when the worst of comes on because they have already heard it like 5 times already.  good point, but isn't over three months?

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 11:46 AM

weekapaugjz wrote: i could be way off on this just throwing it out there.  could the ratings have slipped because of the holidays and they are playing replays.  a lot of people will change the station when the worst of comes on because they have already heard it like 5 times already.  good point, but isn't over three months?

crb1

01-09-2007, 11:48 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I've seen nothing to indicate the Doghouse had a great ratings book.  If they did, then O&A's in for a world of hurt, but if they didn't, at least there's some consolation. Abritron ratings have always, always, always been the least accurate way of getting ratings.  They require you to keep a diary and write down everything you do for a bright, shiny dollar. if 10 diaries go one way or 10 diaries go another, it can explain a drop in ratings.  There's always "corrections" if one area gets a certain number of diaries over another.  It's a very confusing and very inaccurate process. People listening on feeds, people hitting websites, people viewing on Youtube - those are hard listening/interest numbers that are accurate.  Arbitron is outdated and it sucks. Can't they track the website/feed traffic?  If so, why aren't they, since there are probably a good number of people listening to the radio (especially during middays) via a web feed?

Zorro

01-09-2007, 11:49 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have. I'm getting it, but believe your thinking on this to be wrong.XM is not a factor in the ratings. The numbers compare a specific period of time to another specific period of time. It's an apple to apple comparison and the number of apples is decreasing. Also remember it's percentage of "people listening" So if the pie increases or decreases that is already factored in. People listening on XM are not counted and are not considered part of the pool.I understand your defense of O&A. I like them too, but the reality is no matter how you shake it this has to be a disappointment

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:51 AM

Howard's ratings were built on the hardcore fans that were listening every day for long periods of time.  His hardcore fans built his numbers.  Once had those numbers, that was the majority of his audience. O&A's hardcore, long-time listening fans are already on XM.  So whatever we see on Free are fans who aren't that dedicated to the show.  The hardcore fans - similar to ilk to Howard's longterm listeners - are going to put in the diary they listen to XM, not free.  O&A cannot say if you get a diary, put Free in instead of XM.  It's illegal. The Free numbers will always change because of listening habits.  It's where the diaries are dropped, who is listening, etc.  I really don't think you'll get an accurate number from Free's morning numbers in Arbitron, and if you do, well, blame Norton.  El oh el.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:53 AM

crb1 wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: I've seen nothing to indicate the Doghouse had a great ratings book.  If they did, then O&A's in for a world of hurt, but if they didn't, at least there's some consolation. Abritron ratings have always, always, always been the least accurate way of getting ratings.  They require you to keep a diary and write down everything you do for a bright, shiny dollar. if 10 diaries go one way or 10 diaries go another, it can explain a drop in ratings.  There's always "corrections" if one area gets a certain number of diaries over another.  It's a very confusing and very inaccurate process. People listening on feeds, people hitting websites, people viewing on Youtube - those are hard listening/interest numbers that are accurate.  Arbitron is outdated and it sucks. Can't they track the website/feed traffic?  If so, why aren't they, since there are probably a good number of people listening to the radio (especially during middays) via a web feed?  I'm not sure if Arbitron figures in web traffic into their numbers.  I know it can be calculated accurately - but I think Arbitron uses what's put in the diary, rather than the stats from the company. Like, if Free says, "We have 700 people listening to the Feed", Arbitron says, "OK", and just counts the person who writes down they are listening to the Free-FM feed in their diary.

JustJon

01-09-2007, 11:54 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have. This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 11:54 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Howard's ratings were built on the hardcore fans that were listening every day for long periods of time.  His hardcore fans built his numbers.  Once had those numbers, that was the majority of his audience. O&A's hardcore, long-time listening fans are already on XM.  So whatever we see on Free are fans who aren't that dedicated to the show.  The hardcore fans - similar to ilk to Howard's longterm listeners - are going to put in the diary they listen to XM, not free.  O&A cannot say if you get a diary, put Free in instead of XM.  It's illegal. The Free numbers will always change because of listening habits.  It's where the diaries are dropped, who is listening, etc.  I really don't think you'll get an accurate number from Free's morning numbers in Arbitron, and if you do, well, blame Norton.  El oh el. well down is down, am i right or am i right? OR  am i right?

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 11:55 AM

Zorro wrote: I understand your defense of O&A. I like them too, but the reality is no matter how you shake it this has to be a disappointmentNot really.  If Free-FM goes in the crapper, then everyone goes back to XM.  My only stake in this game is the R&F Free-FM Night Show.

yomudder21

01-09-2007, 11:56 AM

What the fuck is FM radio?

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 11:59 AM

JustJon wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have. This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.yea thats what i was saying.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 12:02 PM

JustJon wrote: This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.Exactly.  Getting accurate O&A ratings are going to be a nightmare, especially because there's another option to listen to them, and figuring out Arbitron numbers is highly inaccurate and can shift from book to book, especially with a mclarge huge chunk of O&A's listeners already on XM.These are the problems:1) O&A's core audience - especially for things like Time Spent Listening (TSL) is on XM.2) We don't know if there's been a shift from Free to XM.  Opie does plug XM, and listeners know it's there.  You can't use the reasoning that the total sub numbers for XM is an explanation - because if 500 people went from Free to XM, and 10 of those people had Arbitron Diaries, then there's your shift.3) The Doghouse cuts into a quarter of O&A's show.  if the doghouse has a bad book, that affects O&A. I'm beginning to think that R&F on Free is going to stay that way for the time being, because they want to see if there's ratings growth for a Free-only product.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 12:04 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: JustJon wrote: This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.Exactly.  Getting accurate O&A ratings are going to be a nightmare, especially because there's another option to listen to them, and figuring out Arbitron numbers is highly inaccurate and can shift from book to book, especially with a mclarge huge chunk of O&A's listeners already on XM.These are the problems:1) O&A's core audience - especially for things like Time Spent Listening (TSL) is on XM.2) We don't know if there's been a shift from Free to XM.  Opie does plug XM, and listeners know it's there.  You can't use the reasoning that the total sub numbers for XM is an explanation - because if 500 people went from Free to XM, and 10 of those people had Arbitron Diaries, then there's your shift.3) The Doghouse cuts into a quarter of O&A's show.  if the doghouse has a bad book, that affects O&A. I'm beginning to think that R&F on Free is going to stay that way for the time being, because they want to see if there's ratings growth for a Free-only product. yea and i dont think freefm cares much if they have low ratings but literally alot of listeners counting all the other bullshit that isnt free fm. Although i've never run a radio station.

Zorro

01-09-2007, 12:08 PM

Look it's just an opinion and feel free to disagree, but I think Norton distracts from the show. His misogyny is vicious and his attacks on the weak and disabled were funny when they were shocking, but how many times can you beat up the retarded guy? It's the same gimmick rehashed day after day. As a personailty he's just not that interesting. While I think he may be attractive to the core xm audience he does not have the wider appeal necessary for regular radio.  Even Opie has said that Mainelli does not know how Jimmy fits in.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 12:12 PM

Zorro wrote: Look it's just an opinion and feel free to disagree, but I think Norton distracts from the show. His misogyny is vicious and his attacks on the weak and disabled were funny when they were shocking, but how many times can you beat up the retarded guy? It's the same gimmick rehashed day after day. As a personailty he's just not that interesting. While I think he may be attractive to the core xm audience he does not have the wider appeal necessary for regular radio.  Even Opie has said that Mainelli does not know how Jimmy fits in.i agree and its not only him himself now opie and anthony act just like him and every caller except the ones that act exactly like them are attacked where as before they were more relaxed and now its just them picking out things from every part of the media playing audio and then 10,000 robert reed and aids jokes.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 12:14 PM

Zorro wrote: Look it's just an opinion and feel free to disagree, but I think Norton distracts from the show. His misogyny is vicious and his attacks on the weak and disabled were funny when they were shocking, but how many times can you beat up the retarded guy? It's the same gimmick rehashed day after day. As a personailty he's just not that interesting. While I think he may be attractive to the core xm audience he does not have the wider appeal necessary for regular radio.  Even Opie has said that Mainelli does not know how Jimmy fits in.I agree that when it comes to Norton, less is more.  I've never wanted to talk to my radio and tell Jimmy to shut up when he was blabbering on about the name change from High Voltage to the Virus. That being said, this isn't a thread to bash and/or complain about the show.  This is about the ratings.  Maybe Jimmy does detract, but that's ratings data that isn't easily extrapolated, now, is it?

Zorro

01-09-2007, 12:14 PM

JustJon wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have. This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.Not really. The "pie" is people that are listening. If someone leaves and goes to xm it means they are not listening to the radio at all and are not counted.

mendyweiss

01-09-2007, 12:17 PM

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 12:20 PM

I'm going back to college to take Radio Programing with Matty Fridays.Anyway, I blame the Doghouse... and Whoopie Goldberg.

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 12:21 PM

...and the Jews.

BoondockSaint

01-09-2007, 12:22 PM

Slightly off topic but R&F have been mentioned.  Does WFNY know how many people are logged into the stream each night?

lleeder

01-09-2007, 12:24 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Zorro wrote: Look it's just an opinion and feel free to disagree, but I think Norton distracts from the show. His misogyny is vicious and his attacks on the weak and disabled were funny when they were shocking, but how many times can you beat up the retarded guy? It's the same gimmick rehashed day after day. As a personailty he's just not that interesting. While I think he may be attractive to the core xm audience he does not have the wider appeal necessary for regular radio.  Even Opie has said that Mainelli does not know how Jimmy fits in.I agree that when it comes to Norton, less is more.  I've never wanted to talk to my radio and tell Jimmy to shut up when he was blabbering on about the name change from High Voltage to the Virus. That being said, this isn't a thread to bash and/or complain about the show.  This is about the ratings.  Maybe Jimmy does detract, but that's ratings data that isn't easily extrapolated, now, is it? I understand your arguement but let me ask you a question:Do you think the ratings are lower because of the factors you outlined?                                             ORDo you think the ratings are lower because the overall quality of the show and its newness to FreeFm has disappeared?I know my answer.

Zorro

01-09-2007, 12:26 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Zorro wrote: Look it's just an opinion and feel free to disagree, but I think Norton distracts from the show. His misogyny is vicious and his attacks on the weak and disabled were funny when they were shocking, but how many times can you beat up the retarded guy? It's the same gimmick rehashed day after day. As a personailty he's just not that interesting. While I think he may be attractive to the core xm audience he does not have the wider appeal necessary for regular radio.  Even Opie has said that Mainelli does not know how Jimmy fits in.I agree that when it comes to Norton, less is more.  I've never wanted to talk to my radio and tell Jimmy to shut up when he was blabbering on about the name change from High Voltage to the Virus. That being said, this isn't a thread to bash and/or complain about the show.  This is about the ratings.  Maybe Jimmy does detract, but that's ratings data that isn't easily extrapolated, now, is it? I started the thread and it can be anything it wants. Since when has a thread on RF.Net ever stayed on point. Two things...one...I haven't been around that long, but you don't seem to like engaging in discussions. You're more of a my way or the highway kind of guy...that's cool, but it really limits any alternative thinking.Second: I wasn't bashing and or complaining about the show. The question is why has the show taken a hit... my opinion Jimmy has drained the show of positive energy. If you don't want to discuss it, fine...or bash me fine, but I am going to say whatever I'm thinking.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 12:36 PM

just for the record i dont think its just jimmy i think danny, than, sam and travis all are indicative of the shows overall personality i miss ben, rick, stinky, and spaz and the chicks that worked on the show.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 12:44 PM

Zorro wrote: JustJon wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have. This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.Not really. The "pie" is people that are listening. If someone leaves and goes to xm it means they are not listening to the radio at all and are not counted. AND THAT'S WHY THE OVERALL NUMBER WOULD GO DOWN. Let's say the Arbitron Ratings for Free FM are 1 point for every listener.  And the O&A audience on Free FM was 10 listeners, and the XM Audience had 90 listeners. So in Summer 2006, Arbitron counts 10 listeners for O&A.  2 of those listeners then decide to go to XM. So now there's 8 listeners on Free FM - 92 listeners on XM - and nobody to take up the slack. Jon's right.  It can be a lateral shift of listeners.  The total overall number of people listening to the show doesn't change, but the number listening on Free-FM can. I'm not trying to be My Way or the Highway.  You're saying that the show's ratings went down because of show quality - and I'm saying that there are many other factors involved besides show quality.  I'm not saying the show is the best it's ever been, but it's sketchy at best to get an accurate fix on how well they are doing, ESPECIALLY given how inaccurate Arbitron is in the first place. The point is, you absolutely cannot blame Jimmy singlehandedly for a decline in ratings.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 12:45 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Slightly off topic but R&F have been mentioned.  Does WFNY know how many people are logged into the stream each night? Without a doubt, yes.

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 12:46 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Zorro wrote: JustJon wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Let me explain something here. Let's say O&A's total audience is 100 people. When O&A came to Free-FM, their audience was 70 people.  All of them had XM.  That was O&A's core audience, their hardcore, P1 listeners.30 people are added (the Free audience).  Now, 70 of them listen on XM, and 30 of them listen on Free. None of these XM listeners are counted in these ratings.  The 30 listening on Free aren't the hardcore fans.  The number is going to go up and down.  The 70 on XM have no reason to listen to Free.  They get an uncensored show, and they don't have to hear commercials.  They aren't going to switch back to regular radio. I'm not being an apologizer for O&A.  I'm just saying that people are taking delight in pissing on their numbers, when the reason is, the majority of their audience isn't listening on Free, they are listening on XM, and then not counted.O&A gave the hardcores no reason to switch over to free.  NOW, the R&F situation is totally different, and I really think it's an interesting experiment in ratings.Show of hands - how many people have been listening to Penn after R&F?  I know I have. This hypothetical situation is missing one contingent.  Of the 30 casual listeners, let's say 5 decide they like the show enough to want the replays/more show/uncensored and purchase xm.  Then your numbers shift 75/25, so there is an appearance of a downward trend, but in actuality, it's a lateral shift of listeners.Not really. The "pie" is people that are listening. If someone leaves and goes to xm it means they are not listening to the radio at all and are not counted. AND THAT'S WHY THE OVERALL NUMBER WOULD GO DOWN. Let's say the Arbitron Ratings for Free FM are 1 point for every listener.  And the O&A audience on Free FM was 10 listeners, and the XM Audience had 90 listeners. So in Summer 2006, Arbitron counts 10 listeners for O&A.  2 of those listeners then decide to go to XM. So now there's 8 listeners on Free FM - 92 listeners on XM - and nobody to take up the slack. Jon's right.  It can be a lateral shift of listeners.  The total overall number of people listening to the show doesn't change, but the number listening on Free-FM can. I'm not trying to be My Way or the Highway.  You're saying that the show's ratings went down because of show quality - and I'm saying that there are many other factors involved besides show quality.  I'm not saying the show is the best it's ever been, but it's sketchy at best to get an accurate fix on how well they are doing, ESPECIALLY given how inaccurate Arbitron is in the first place. The point is, you absolutely cannot blame Jimmy singlehandedly for a decline in ratings. to freefm the #'s are down though. Also i wouldnt blame just jimmy, the o and a show can be hard to swallow some times.

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 12:48 PM

Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate?

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 12:54 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate? Why don't you design something BETTER then, Mr. Fancy German Engineering Boy?

MasterSoySauce

01-09-2007, 12:56 PM

i'll just wait for them to talk about it, i actually enjoy that.

Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2007, 12:56 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate? Antiquated joke?  Most definitely.Highly inaccurate?  I would agree 100% percent.COMPLETELY inaccurate?  I wouldn't say that. I think a great example of how inaccurate the ratings are is Howard Stern's movie.  With how huge his ratings were, 40 million dollars and 14 million opening is a disappointment.  Yes, it made money.  But according to his ratings, it should have done much, much better.

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 12:59 PM

Well, that's why I said "for the most part."  Sure, there's some degree of accuracy to the system.  But it's pretty much projections after that.  And actually, they are working on a new system.  The People Meter.

Gvac

01-09-2007, 01:00 PM

FreeFM O&A gives me douche chills.  They sound like any other morning zoo show. It's embarrassing.

Kerouac931

01-09-2007, 01:05 PM

These ratings have to be reflective of the fact that more and more people are subscribing to XM and listening to the entire FreeFM show while on XM instead of on the show. I refuse to believe with as many dumps per day that they have on terrestrial radio that it isn't attracting more people to listen to them uncensored on XM, and these ratings don't reflect that.

Zorro

01-09-2007, 01:45 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate? My point is that it doesn't matter. Of course there are better ways to measure, but this is the system in use...so it's the only one that counts. You play by the rules of the game you're in and for good or bad Arbitron is the standard by which O&A will be judged. Right now it shows a decline and that's what matters.As for the Jimmy thing... I am not naive enough  think that Jimmy is the direct cause of a ratings decline, but I do think that Jimmy brings a negative energy to the show and O&A need to lighten it up.

Furtherman

01-09-2007, 01:59 PM

Doctor_Z wrote: Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate? Yep.  Same with Nielsen Television ratings.  Unfortunatley, it's what drives the sales, which is the bottom line.

empulse

01-09-2007, 03:14 PM

If you want to check ratings in your market, or any other go to the source:<a href="http://www.arbitron.com/home/ratings.htm">http://www.arbitron.com/home/ratings.htm</a>Select a market. The only thing is you have to pay for the break down of the demos in the market, but you get a picture of the overall. The thing I have noticed is that O&A must have handlers or "people" who help with show direction based on ratings.  Lately (actually since the election and NOT to make this a political statement) O&A and Lil' Jimmy, have toned it way down, they have even started taking shots at the president, not that is was ever taboo, but not common among them.  There are a couple of things like this happening (in my opinion)  like them trying to be less condemning and even less abrassive. maybe i am imagining it.  But there has been a shift in their tone, I don't know what it is but something is different.  I think I sense they could be sick of trying to jump thru the hoops of just being able to talk on freeFM, seems like there is something new every week that they can't say, or Dukes for some reason has dumped the littlest thing.  These being NY Radio numbers, I know from thinking about buying a radio station someday, the NYC market is the most unpredictable and the most viscious.  I would guess that having a station at every position of the dial in NYC has to affect the market in some odd way as well.  O&A will succeed. Unless they get fired (Sex for Sam II).

empulse

01-09-2007, 03:19 PM

Arbitron sets the scale for ad dollars on FM Radio. It seriously needs some tweaking.  And somehow they need to find a way to get ratings for satellite radio.

Bossanova

01-09-2007, 03:43 PM

I also think that people hate their arrogance. I know that I am sick of it. I agree with the 47 people that influence the show especially lil' mic hog Norton. The hardcore wackbaggers love him, but the common listeners don't seem to like him.

Do you think they try to spin this?

cougarjake13

01-09-2007, 04:12 PM

is there a way for them to put something in the radio or xmreciever that records what station you listen to and how long ??? and every month or quarter have the info beemed to the people that need it to make the ratings

FezPaul

01-09-2007, 04:18 PM

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Don Stugots

01-09-2007, 04:19 PM

MasterSoySauce wrote: just for the record i dont think its just jimmy i think danny, than, sam and travis all are indicative of the shows overall personality i miss ben, rick, stinky, and spaz and the chicks that worked on the show.  me too.  i also liked when it was the small show trying to make is way.

Bulldogcakes

01-09-2007, 04:23 PM

Is this why they were doing 'best of's for the past 2 days? Figuring out what to do?If there will be a major change, its Jimmy. I cant see him going over in Middle America. To be honest, I wont miss him if he goes.

FezPaul

01-09-2007, 04:26 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Is this why they were doing 'best of's for the past 2 days? Figuring out what to do?If there will be a major change, its Jimmy. I cant see him going over in Middle America. To be honest, I wont miss him if he goes.  QFT

Doctor Z

01-09-2007, 04:28 PM

Norton is not going ANYWHERE. If this dip in ratings is indeed legit, they'll just tighten up the show a little, do something that'll make headlines (but not get them fired), and bring back some of the classic bits/contests. No one's gonna make any extreme moves. That would be idiotic. 

This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 1-9-07 @ 8:33 PM

Bossanova

01-09-2007, 04:29 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Is this why they were doing 'best of's for the past 2 days? Figuring out what to do?If there will be a major change, its Jimmy. I cant see him going over in Middle America. To be honest, I wont miss him if he goes.   I would listen to Free Fm instead of XM if that happens

Arch Stanton

01-09-2007, 06:56 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate? Antiquated joke?  Most definitely.Highly inaccurate?  I would agree 100% percent.COMPLETELY inaccurate?  I wouldn't say that.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They had no problem with Arbitron when they were talking ratings when they were up from Roth Radio. 

This message was edited by Arch Stanton on 1-9-07 @ 11:02 PM

Zorro

01-09-2007, 07:34 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Is this why they were doing 'best of's for the past 2 days? Figuring out what to do?If there will be a major change, its Jimmy. I cant see him going over in Middle America. To be honest, I wont miss him if he goes.  Actually its not that big of a deal. The Consumer Electronics Show is going on in Vegas and they wanted O&A there for meet and greets etc. Supposedly they only had one day of meetings, but needed a day on each side for travel

Dan G

01-09-2007, 08:37 PM

Do these ratings reflect the period in which they appeared on Letterman and Leno? If so, it appaears that  the national exposure didn't help them at all.Unrelated, but since I don't live in NY, I was wondering what kind of shows R&F are up against?

Mike Teacher

01-10-2007, 02:23 AM

They had no problem with Arbitron when they were talking ratings when they were up from Roth Radio. =Ah, you've also worked in radio. When you're up, no worries, when you're down, analyze it to death.

willisjackson

01-10-2007, 03:45 AM

The ratings are down because the show is not entertaining anymore.  I was a diehard fan and I barely turn it on now; does anyone think that a new listner is going to like this show?  Old listners who never picked up XM have to be very dissappointed that the show is so different from the WNEW show.  The show is slow, repetitive, and unfunny (all the things I used to say about Howard's show). 

crb1

01-10-2007, 04:09 AM

Doctor_Z wrote: Norton is not going ANYWHERE. If this dip in ratings is indeed legit, they'll just tighten up the show a little, do something that'll make headlines (but not get them fired), and bring back some of the classic bits/contests. No one's gonna make any extreme moves. That would be idiotic. This message was edited by Doctor_Z on 1-9-07 @ 8:33 PM I don't think Norton should go anywhere. He's an incredibly funny guy sometimes.  The issue is him being on mic too much.  And we don't even know if it's Norton just hogging the mic, or if O&A like going to him for large chunks of commentary/material and push for him to contribute more.Whatever it is, it seems to be an issue with a large number of fans. It also seems to me that there are times that Norton goes overboard with his rants because it's what's expected of him.  They come off sounding almost rehearsed.

willisjackson

01-10-2007, 04:25 AM

Norton is not the problem, at least not the biggest.  Entire breaks wasted on Club Soda Kenny, Roland, and Sam (and his camera) are a bigger part of it.  Spending two weeks on Michael Richards didn't help; we all "got it" on day one.  Playing news teases and other clips from news programs and making over the top comments is so predictable at this point.  The feel of guys hanging out and talking is totally gone.  They were a much better show when they didn't take themselves so seriously and just had a good time. They will go on the air and blame the lawyers, the FCC, JV & Elvis, and commercials; but the fact is, they knew what they were getting into...they are "brilliant broadcasters"  and they "still have the passion to do this kind of radio"

MasterSoySauce

01-10-2007, 05:29 AM

willisjackson wrote: Norton is not the problem, at least not the biggest.  Entire breaks wasted on Club Soda Kenny, Roland, and Sam (and his camera) are a bigger part of it.  Spending two weeks on Michael Richards didn't help; we all "got it" on day one.  Playing news teases and other clips from news programs and making over the top comments is so predictable at this point.  The feel of guys hanging out and talking is totally gone.  They were a much better show when they didn't take themselves so seriously and just had a good time. They will go on the air and blame the lawyers, the FCC, JV & Elvis, and commercials; but the fact is, they knew what they were getting into...they are "brilliant broadcasters"  and they "still have the passion to do this kind of radio"  i totally agree, norton i think is a porblem b/c he's seemed to influence o and a on the way they act and the way the show is but the afternoon show where people drank on the air is gone its all audio clips and stories about tyra over and over again all the same type of shit, that why i like it when patrice and vos or bobby are in and they just talk about stuff, i would also like to hear just them two, why do they always need a comedian? i dont get it, i barely listen really anymore.

SinA

01-10-2007, 05:52 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doctor_Z wrote: Can we all just admit that the Arbitron system is an antequated joke, and radio ratings are, for the most part, completely inaccurate? Antiquated joke?  Most definitely.Highly inaccurate?  I would agree 100% percent.COMPLETELY inaccurate?  I wouldn't say that. I think a great example of how inaccurate the ratings are is Howard Stern's movie.  With how huge his ratings were, 40 million dollars and 14 million opening is a disappointment.  Yes, it made money.  But according to his ratings, it should have done much, much better. 1. Companies use ratings to determine if/where/when they buy ad-space, and how much they'll pay for it.  Must of us here are willing to pay to hear music which isn't really reflected in any rating, but if companies realized and had another system to judge it they wouldn't make a big deal about what Arbitron says.  Besides, some "persons 25-40" make more and spend more than others, and the ratings don't differentiate.2.Even if they were accurate, the ratings don't reflect anything about the enthusiasm or level of engagement of the listener.  I can put on must radio stations on in the background and go about whatever I'm doing.  When I listen to R&F and to a lesser extent O&A I pay pretty close attention.  To Arbitron, we're all just listeners not good listeners and bad listeners.

AKA

01-10-2007, 06:22 AM

Mike Teacher wrote: They had no problem with Arbitron when they were talking ratings when they were up from Roth Radio. =Ah, you've also worked in radio. When you're up, no worries, when you're down, analyze it to death.QFTThe simple answer may just be that Howard's old listeners are not necessarily going to be O&A listeners - bashing Stern may not have been the best idea to win over his old fans (yes, I know that wasn't the plan), but even more so - maybe they weren't looking for a replacement at all. CBS put a lot on the line with Free FM and seem determined to make it work and hopefully they are looking at this as a blip in the road and will give them time to make a big impact. Now that R&F are involved, I'm rooting for it to succeed now more than ever. As far as Norton - I've really never been more than a casual listener, but I'll ususally stick around longer if he is on.

Tenbatsuzen

01-10-2007, 06:44 AM

Arch Stanton wrote: They had no problem with Arbitron when they were talking ratings when they were up from Roth Radio. This is my opinion.  I've always had a problem with the arbitron system, when I first learned about it. The only accurate way of judging something's popularity is receipts, website hits, and views.

bugmenot

01-11-2007, 01:41 AM

Chicago:"The only morning show doing worse is WCKG's latest replacement for Howard Stern -- the syndicated duo of Gregg "Opie" Hughes and Anthony Cumia. They're faring no better than Shane "Rover" French, who lasted only seven months here.  The ongoing calamity at WCKG is costing CBS Radio millions in advertising revenue, prompting the inevitable talk of adjustments to the station's lineup -- if not a total overhaul of its format."  http://www.suntimes.com/business/feder/206348,CST-FIN-feder11.article"Meanwhile, “Free FM” WCKG-FM, also owned by CBS, continues to languish after the December 2005 departure of Howard Stern. Arbitron ranked the station 30th in the marketplace, with a 0.9% share. The morning team of Gregg “Opie” Hughes and Anthony Cumia also ranked 30th among men 25 to 54, while Mr. Stern’s show had ranked second among this group on WCKG in fall 2005. “Certainly, we’re looking for Opie and Anthony to get more traction in the marketplace than they currently have,” said Rod Zimmerman, CBS’s senior vice-president and market manager in Chicago. “But after four months on the air, we are pleased with the results.”"  http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=23444

DJEvelEd

01-11-2007, 02:36 AM

How can they have good ratings if they're going up against themselves? It's silly!

willisjackson

01-11-2007, 03:30 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Arch Stanton wrote: They had no problem with Arbitron when they were talking ratings when they were up from Roth Radio. This is my opinion.  I've always had a problem with the arbitron system, when I first learned about it. The only accurate way of judging something's popularity is receipts, website hits, and views. What do website hits and views have to do with listening to the radio?  Couldn't a radio show just tell all their fans to go to their website a bunch of times each day to make them seem more popular?  Arbitron may have its flaws, much like public opinion polls, but it is the most effective way to measure what people are listening to for now.

Tenbatsuzen

01-11-2007, 04:34 AM

willisjackson wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Arch Stanton wrote: They had no problem with Arbitron when they were talking ratings when they were up from Roth Radio. This is my opinion. I've always had a problem with the arbitron system, when I first learned about it. The only accurate way of judging something's popularity is receipts, website hits, and views. What do website hits and views have to do with listening to the radio? Couldn't a radio show just tell all their fans to go to their website a bunch of times each day to make them seem more popular? Arbitron may have its flaws, much like public opinion polls, but it is the most effective way to measure what people are listening to for now. Website hits = people listening to the stream.  That's accurate information.  How do you think that XM knows that Virus/High Voltage is one of the most popular channels?  Because of webstream hits.

Tenbatsuzen

01-11-2007, 04:37 AM

And as for all the fans going to a website - there's a difference between hits and unique views. 

LOAF

01-11-2007, 04:41 AM

I honestly don't think I have ever listened to free fm, I work 9-5 so I listen to xm o&a then ron and fez followed by the free fm xm replay. I can't listen to free fm because I just can't stand the commercials. That is why I have not listened to the new ron and fez show yet.

willisjackson

01-11-2007, 05:13 AM

Website hits = people listening to the stream.  That's accurate information.  How do you think that XM knows that Virus/High Voltage is one of the most popular channels?  Because of webstream hits. That does make sense.  Streaming the shows does change how people listen.  I have never seen what an arbitron diary looks like, so I don't know if how you listen has any effect or if it is soley based on what you listen to.   I think XM "knows" the Virus is one of the most popular channels because E-lo won't tell Opie otherwise.  He would probably jump off a building at this point.  They probably knew that the ratings weren't going to be great; that's why E-Lo has to build him up with the your better than Howard stuff.  I don't doubt that it is the most popular channel, but until they come up with a way to prove it, it is basically as accurate as Howard saying he has 6 million listeners.

FartyPneumonia

01-11-2007, 06:02 AM

Did they mention the ratings yet? I missed it if they did, what did they say?

Zorro

01-11-2007, 07:54 AM

willisjackson wrote:  Website hits = people listening to the stream.  That's accurate information.  How do you think that XM knows that Virus/High Voltage is one of the most popular channels?  Because of webstream hits. That does make sense.  Streaming the shows does change how people listen.  I have never seen what an arbitron diary looks like, so I don't know if how you listen has any effect or if it is soley based on what you listen to.   I think XM "knows" the Virus is one of the most popular channels because E-lo won't tell Opie otherwise.  He would probably jump off a building at this point.  They probably knew that the ratings weren't going to be great; that's why E-Lo has to build him up with the your better than Howard stuff.  I don't doubt that it is the most popular channel, but until they come up with a way to prove it, it is basically as accurate as Howard saying he has 6 million listeners.For some reason XM and Sirius don't disclose listener data. They consider that info top secret, so you only get dribs and drabs. Both companies say they have a way to measure listenership, but the data is not revealed to the public

This message was edited by Zorro on 1-11-07 @ 11:55 AM

DJEvelEd

01-11-2007, 09:14 AM

Zorro wrote:For some reason XM and Sirius don't disclose listener data. They consider that info top secret, so you only get dribs and drabs. Both companies say they have a way to measure listenership, but the data is not revealed to the publicThis message was edited by Zorro on 1-11-07 @ 11:55 AM What kind of dribs & drabs have you heard about XM ratings? Any numbers?

pennington

01-11-2007, 09:19 AM

FartyPneumonia wrote: Did they mention the ratings yet? I missed it if they did, what did they say? I didn't hear the show either but Opie is never shy talking about it when the ratings are good.

Zorro

01-11-2007, 10:10 AM

DJEvelEd wrote: Zorro wrote:For some reason XM and Sirius don't disclose listener data. They consider that info top secret, so you only get dribs and drabs. Both companies say they have a way to measure listenership, but the data is not revealed to the publicThis message was edited by Zorro on 1-11-07 @ 11:55 AM What kind of dribs & drabs have you heard about XM ratings? Any numbers? To clarify...the dribs and drabs were not numbers, but when E-Lo, Karmazin etc talk they will sometimes mention which channels are popular. E-Lo last week was saying 202 is the most listened to on XM. Whether that's true or just a salve for Opie I have no idea

Jonclod

01-11-2007, 03:51 PM

Looks like the Philly Station ratings were up. OnA probably played a role in that success.

docgoblin

01-11-2007, 04:11 PM

If you really look at the radio climate in New York (I can't speak for other cities), A show like O & A are not going to get HUGE, STERN-LIKE numbers anymore in the morning. There are way too many listening choices (Satellite, High-Def, Ipods, etc...). I don't think Stern would even have the monster ratings he had ten years ago. As plain vanilla commercial New York radio goes, the simple truth is that the two Spanish stations are doing huge numbers in AM drive given the always increasing Spanish speaking community. After that you have the Lite-FM crowd and the News listeners gobbling up the rest of the airwaves. I think if the boys can pull a consistent 4.0-5.0 with the 25-54 Men and 3.0-3.5 with all 25-54 on WFNY, CBS will be happy. It has to be consistent however. As i stated, I can't speak for the rest of the country, but I think that's how things in NYC will shake out.

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Jonclod

01-11-2007, 04:29 PM

OnA are pretty much all CBS has, when it comes to high profile morning shows with potential to go national. As long as they pull in a decent demographic, they can just kick back and focus on doing a funny show. I think they are getting too distracted with this need to prove that they are better than Stern.

shittyhambrgers

01-11-2007, 04:43 PM

they're actually a show now, meaning they have the structure of one.  on WNEW, it sounded like guys hanging out; today's CBS show has opie teasing things, norton more involved when, at times, he should sit back and let anthony riff on his own without help, and they're more on the side of their bosses than the audience (ie they're playing the game now).  it's a shame.  norton def steps on ant's comments WAY too much.  i love his stand up, and he's a super nice guy in person, but norton needs to be off mic more often.  patrice had me rolling today, simply because he was funny and didn't need to be vicious, mean, or outragous to do it.

pennington

01-12-2007, 06:16 AM

shittyhambrgers wrote: norton def steps on ant's comments WAY too much.  i love his stand up, and he's a super nice guy in person, but norton needs to be off mic more often.  Honestly, I don't listen to O&A anymore. Last night I turned off the radio after R&F and when I turned it on this morning I heard Frank Vincent was on so I listened. Louis CK was sitting in and it was wonderful, I listened to the end.Norton needs to be cut way down to just maybe 8-9 on Friday. But he probably has a contract and Tom won't want to pay him off. Strangely enough, I want to see his stand-up act. I just don't want to hear him non-stop every morning.

AKA

01-12-2007, 06:34 AM

I clocked in about 8am and got so fucking annoyed by the "we're different than other radio shows because we say so" lecture - it's really one of the main things that has always kept me from really being a more regular listener - the bleeting about how their show is an experience because they have websites and clips on youtube seems desperate and morning zooish - which doesn't seem that different from other radio shows. It frustrates the FUCK out of me because I hear that, and get nervous that another station is on these guys back, and devoting time to that really seems like they don't care. I'm sure it's just me - hopefully this is all reconnecting with all of their old fans, and maybe making some new ones. The stuff later in the show was a lot more fun, with Frank Vincent, and I really seem on my own island with not laying the blame on Jimmy as I dig him whenever he's on still, but the patting on the back, and constant repeating of how much better and funnier they are than everyone else gets old very quickly with me.

Tenbatsuzen

01-12-2007, 06:39 AM

I think the worst part about this situation is the Doghouse people crowing about how their ratings went up while O&A's went down.... without providing any hard numbers.

walking joint

01-12-2007, 06:43 AM

AKA wrote: I clocked in about 8am and got so fucking annoyed by the "we're different than other radio shows because we say so" lecture - it's really one of the main things that has always kept me from really being a more regular listener - the bleeting about how their show is an experience because they have websites and clips on youtube seems desperate and morning zooish - which doesn't seem that different from other radio shows. It frustrates the FUCK out of me because I hear that, and get nervous that another station is on these guys back, and devoting time to that really seems like they don't care. I'm sure it's just me - hopefully this is all reconnecting with all of their old fans, and maybe making some new ones. The stuff later in the show was a lot more fun, with Frank Vincent, and I really seem on my own island with not laying the blame on Jimmy as I dig him whenever he's on still, but the patting on the back, and constant repeating of how much better and funnier they are than everyone else gets old very quickly with me. yeah...Opies whole "the show doesn't end when they leave" crap gets annoying.  i hear it at least once or twice a week and i find myself talking to the radio asking Opie to shut up(and i'm one of the few who likes him).  we get it by now.  stop talking about your show and pumping it up and actually do one.  Opie rambles on and on at times about it.

walking joint

01-12-2007, 06:44 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I think the worst part about this situation is the Doghouse people crowing about how their ratings went up while O&A's went down.... without providing any hard numbers. are they specifically bashing O&As ratings or just mentioning theirs went up?and how can you listen to that crap?

This message was edited by walking joint on 1-12-07 @ 10:44 AM

willisjackson

01-12-2007, 06:53 AM

walking joint wrote: AKA wrote: I clocked in about 8am and got so fucking annoyed by the "we're different than other radio shows because we say so" lecture - it's really one of the main things that has always kept me from really being a more regular listener - the bleeting about how their show is an experience because they have websites and clips on youtube seems desperate and morning zooish - which doesn't seem that different from other radio shows. It frustrates the FUCK out of me because I hear that, and get nervous that another station is on these guys back, and devoting time to that really seems like they don't care. I'm sure it's just me - hopefully this is all reconnecting with all of their old fans, and maybe making some new ones. The stuff later in the show was a lot more fun, with Frank Vincent, and I really seem on my own island with not laying the blame on Jimmy as I dig him whenever he's on still, but the patting on the back, and constant repeating of how much better and funnier they are than everyone else gets old very quickly with me. yeah...Opies whole "the show doesn't end when they leave" crap gets annoying.  i hear it at least once or twice a week and i find myself talking to the radio asking Opie to shut up(and i'm one of the few who likes him).  we get it by now.  stop talking about your show and pumping it up and actually do one.  Opie rambles on and on at times about it.  that about sums it up

willisjackson

01-12-2007, 07:10 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I think the worst part about this situation is the Doghouse people crowing about how their ratings went up while O&A's went down.... without providing any hard numbers. If their ratings did go up, then they deserve to crow.  O&A should really acknowledge it and make peace with these guys.  I am not saying that they should be best buddies, but you can't ignore a show that getting better.  Building up the other shows on the station will really help them.  Like them or not, doghouse fans would help the ratings.  It doesn't help either show to have fans either turn on the radio at 9, or to turn it off.

Zorro

01-12-2007, 07:48 AM

Enjoyed today's show

pennington

01-12-2007, 08:03 AM

walking joint wrote: stop talking about your show and pumping it up and actually do one.  Opie rambles on and on at times about it.  Amen. And how many times a day do we have to hear "The O&A virus spreading across America". Enough already.It's like a company that keeps talking about expanding but has ignored it's core business and goes bankrupt.

pennington

01-12-2007, 08:14 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: I think the worst part about this situation is the Doghouse people crowing about how their ratings went up while O&A's went down.... without providing any hard numbers. I read on the NYMB they're up 28%, but that includes Cramer's and Penn's numbers, which weren't good. Supposedly today the hour by hour breakdown comes out.I can't listen to the DH for more than a few minutes at a time, but if their numbers are going up every book (without any promotion by the station), they deserve to crow. Their fans seem to have an excitement about the show.

NewYorkDragons80

01-12-2007, 09:10 AM

pennington wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: I think the worst part about this situation is the Doghouse people crowing about how their ratings went up while O&A's went down.... without providing any hard numbers. I read on the NYMB they're up 28%, but that includes Cramer's and Penn's numbers, which weren't good. Supposedly today the hour by hour breakdown comes out.I can't listen to the DH for more than a few minutes at a time, but if their numbers are going up every book (without any promotion by the station), they deserve to crow. Their fans seem to have an excitement about the show. Penn's numbers weren't good?

pennington

01-12-2007, 09:28 AM

NewYorkDragons80 wrote:  Penn's numbers weren't good?That's what I read, but this was just from another message board, so who knows if it's accurate. I like Penn's show and usually listen to the podcast while I'm trolling the internet.

wht

01-12-2007, 09:41 AM

the boys have made some changes to the show and you can tell. 6 a.m I'am up with the boy's on free fm and xm. The R&f show & CBC are my shows the other show can go back to the west coast.

Seave_Dave72

01-12-2007, 09:45 AM

They have been phoning it in of late.  To be honest I just flip if over to XMnpr and bide my time tell I can get my Ron & Fezz fix How to tell if O&A will be funnyStep 1  listen for the sound of Patrice's voiceStep 2  What no Patrice?  turn it off

docgoblin

01-12-2007, 03:43 PM

Seave_Dave72 wrote: They have been phoning it in of late. To be honest I just flip if over to XMnpr and bide my time tell I can get my Ron & Fezz fix How to tell if O&A will be funnyStep 1 listen for the sound of Patrice's voiceStep 2 What no Patrice? turn it off  I disagree. The few shows they did live this week were very good. The David Caruso bit had me rolling! I thought Patrice was very good (He's always good when he's not being the relationship expert). Bob Kelly was very good today as well and even contributed during the Frank Vincent interview. I just think they're going to have to realize the show will probably do a 4.0-5.0 at best in New York with males 25-54.I just hope Ron and Fez can do okay in their slot. Mark Levin and Laura Ingram on WABC and Mike Savage on WOR pull in huge numbers in the evening (not to mention going up against sporting events).

NewYorkDragons80

01-13-2007, 07:13 AM

docgoblin wrote: I just hope Ron and Fez can do okay in their slot. Mark Levin and Laura Ingram on WABC and Mike Savage on WOR pull in huge numbers in the evening (not to mention going up against sporting events).  THat's what I'm dreading.  It's damn hard to build an audience when you're only doing half a show at least once a week or more.

Tenbatsuzen

01-13-2007, 08:48 AM

NewYorkDragons80 wrote: docgoblin wrote: I just hope Ron and Fez can do okay in their slot. Mark Levin and Laura Ingram on WABC and Mike Savage on WOR pull in huge numbers in the evening (not to mention going up against sporting events). THat's what I'm dreading. It's damn hard to build an audience when you're only doing half a show at least once a week or more.  I'm hoping CBS grows half a brain and puts the sports overflows onto JACK now.  But the question is, how many times do the Nets and Devils play on the same date between now and the end of the season?

alwat

01-13-2007, 09:08 AM

Love those OandA faithful coming up with every excuse to explain why there ratings suck ass. Love the part where they try and say the system is bad funny. Unless you are a Hispanic radio station you have nothing to worry about the rating system. Look I use to love OandA I honestly can not now. The only time I can listen is when other comedians are on.

Gvac

01-13-2007, 09:20 AM

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ChimneyFish

01-13-2007, 09:31 AM

I don't really listen to the show all that much anymore. It's just not the same.Miss the Golden Age of XM.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

Hottub

01-13-2007, 09:34 AM

I am the one, Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand My image is of agony, my servants rape the land Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore. I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain And still you play the sycophant and revel in you pain And all my promises are lies, all my love is hate I am the politician, and I decide your fate I march before a martyred world, an army for the fight I speak of great heroic days, of victory and might I hold a banner drenched in blood, I urge you to be brave I lead you to your destiny, I lead you to your grave Your bones will build my palaces, your eyes will stud my crown For I am Mars, the god of war, and I will cut you down.

TheGameHHH

01-13-2007, 09:40 AM

alwat wrote: Love those OandA faithful coming up with every excuse to explain why there ratings suck ass. Love the part where they try and say the system is bad funny. Unless you are a Hispanic radio station you have nothing to worry about the rating system. Look I use to love OandA I honestly can not now. The only time I can listen is when other comedians are on.  exactly, they love to brag when things are good but the second its shown theyre dipping theres a million and one excuses. I would have never started listening to R&F if it wasnt for O&A back in the WNEW days and there was a time O&A was the better show to me. Those days are long gone, i listen to O&A sparatically because i feel theyve lost their hunger and some passion, R&F is a far better show in my opinion.

burk

01-13-2007, 09:40 AM

I havnt been listening to O&A very much at all lately. I used to listen everyday and now im bored.  All their shows seem the same.  Stupid AIDS joke, robert reed, "did ya", and the stupid "spreading across america" boring.  I get really tired of hearing them talk about how great they are.

Zorro

01-13-2007, 01:50 PM

Howard comments on ratings<a href="http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/305319.html">http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/305319.html</a>

burrben

01-13-2007, 01:56 PM

burk wrote: I havnt been listening to O&A very much at all lately. I used to listen everyday and now im bored.  All their shows seem the same.  Stupid AIDS joke, robert reed, "did ya", and the stupid "spreading across america" boring.  I get really tired of hearing them talk about how great they are.i agree, but i love when they have louie ck in studio

oh_kee_pa

01-13-2007, 02:21 PM

the only time i go out of my way to listen to O&A is if patrice or bill burr, or louie... etc etc are on...<div> </div><div>jimmy is hilarious, and is funny, but like someone else mentioned, its the same jokes over and over...</div><div> </div><div>pedo, aids or retard jokes.... lets try something new eh boys</div>

Joeyd00

01-13-2007, 05:52 PM

O&A's  biggest problem is O&A.They aren't a morning show.They have no energy.Most shows  are dull  and drag on.When they are away and they have the worst of  on and its fromt he wnew days   the show shines because back  then they hate something. Now its  boring. Jimmy has to go.  As for the Doghouse Every book their numbers went up so    O&A cant say anything about  them or them losing  ratings. The only thing Free fm has going for it is The doghouse. O&A's 21 and Radio chicks  show just aint doing it. What they need to do  is Doghouse mornings 6-10Ron and Fez 10-2O&A 2-6Radio Chick 6-10 I like Nick  Dipallo  but   they need  the shows to be atleast 4 hours. This 3 hour shift isnt cutting it.

mdr55

01-13-2007, 07:41 PM

Joeyd00 wrote: O&A's biggest problem is O&A.They aren't a morning show.They have no energy.Most shows are dull and drag on.When they are away and they have the worst of on and its fromt he wnew days the show shines because back then they hate something. Now its boring. Jimmy has to go.  As for the Doghouse Every book their numbers went up so O&A cant say anything about them or them losing ratings. The only thing Free fm has going for it is The doghouse. O&A's 21 and Radio chicks show just aint doing it. What they need to do is Doghouse mornings 6-10Ron and Fez 10-2O&A 2-6Radio Chick 6-10 I like Nick Dipallo but they need the shows to be atleast 4 hours. This 3 hour shift isnt cutting it.  How bout another Sports Guys reincarnation????

silera

01-14-2007, 06:01 AM

Could some of the loss be accounted for my Free Fm listeners that decided to buy XM to listen to the entire show and are therefore now XM listeners?

goreds2

01-14-2007, 07:50 AM

Columbus: 107.1 FM WAZU (show airs from 3pm - 6pm) O & A are no longer on this station. The format has switched FROM Rock TO country. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/89/Topic/55483/currentpage/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" width="78" height="30" /> <a href="http://www.thebigwazu.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thebigwazu.com/</a> <a href="http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=5d8506451fba12ecf9e04b7d0d7587 98&topic=59917.0" target="_blank">http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=5d8506451fba12ecf9e04b7d0d7587 98&topic=59917.0</a> This mentions O & A plus Ron and Fez: <a href="http://columbus.craigslist.org/rnr/260829678.html" target="_blank">http://columbus.craigslist.org/rnr/260829678.html</a>

Zorro

01-14-2007, 09:06 AM

silera wrote: Could some of the loss be accounted for my Free Fm listeners that decided to buy XM to listen to the entire show and are therefore now XM listeners?  From what I can figure out the answer is no. The ratings are "percentage" of people listening as opposed to total number of people available to listen.They're (O&A) numbers are still huge and I'm sure they will do well. Two years at XM plus a two year vacation probably have them stunted a little bit, but they'll figure it out. Howie's shadow will always loom large...just a fact of life and questions like this will always be asked.

SinA

01-14-2007, 09:13 AM

goreds2 wrote: Columbus: 107.1 FM WAZU (show airs from 3pm - 6pm) O & A are no longer on this station. The format has switched FROM Rock TO country. Hoo Hoo, I Invented having my station's format change to country.<img src="http://www.businessweek.com/1997/09/art09/bw0925.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="300" />

lleeder

01-14-2007, 09:18 AM

silera wrote: Could some of the loss be accounted for my Free Fm listeners that decided to buy XM to listen to the entire show and are therefore now XM listeners?  While this coul be a possibility one thing I don't understand is if you got a ratings book wouldnt you write in that you listen to O&A from 6-9 on FreeFM. I had one years ago and even if I didnt listen to something the whole time I still wrote it in to give my favorite guys ratings for that period.XM doesnt show up in the arbitron ratings so why write them in there.

FartyPneumonia

01-14-2007, 10:34 AM

I never heard OnA say anything did anyone hear their response?

mdr55

01-15-2007, 12:01 PM

Did they say anything about their ratings. I checked on the other board and some philly people are ragging on the ny people for the ratings.

Don Stugots

01-15-2007, 12:05 PM

silera wrote: Could some of the loss be accounted for my Free Fm listeners that decided to buy XM to listen to the entire show and are therefore now XM listeners?   to me, this is the best thing that could happen for XM.  let people get a little taste of the show on free FM then come over to XM for the real deal.

Joeyd00

01-15-2007, 01:27 PM

O&A went down  bigtime in all  demos. Radio chick is doing   as horrible as ever and The Doghouse went up again and they went up %28  might even be  more.Once the actual show  breakdowns are done by  hour then we will know.But as it stands the only show to have any progress is  the doghouse.

mdr55

01-15-2007, 02:12 PM

what what.

Gvac

01-15-2007, 02:27 PM

Fall 2006 Ratings for Opie & Anthony   (12+) 1.6 - down from a 2.2 in the summer. (persons 25-54) 2.4 - down from 3.1 in the summer. (18-34) 3.1 - down from 4.1 in the summer. (men 25-54) 3.9 - down from 5.0 in the summer.

mdr55

01-15-2007, 02:55 PM

what do people do in the fall that they don't do in summer????

BoondockSaint

01-15-2007, 03:09 PM

mdr55 wrote: what do people do in the fall that they don't do in summer???? Go back to high school.

mdr55

01-15-2007, 03:11 PM

but they could listen on their way to school

BoondockSaint

01-15-2007, 03:19 PM

Nah, their moms listen to PLJ.

Butters266

01-19-2007, 02:37 PM

So the slamming is official then. The Stern fans are having a field day, and I've heard that they are doing worse then Roth now. Probably exaggerated, but still very disheartening. :(