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RonMwangaguhunga

01-10-2007, 07:08 AM

I don't know what a "Cena" is, but he sure aint no Ricky Steamboat. All these new wrestlers are animated musclura globs of meat. And they have no style. Give me the old days of Tully Blanchard versus Dusty Rhodes, where they may have had beerbellies, but the storylines and intensity was head and shoulders above the crap the World Wrestling "ENTERTAINMENT" feeds us.  Wrestling, my friends, is dead. There will be no more 90 minute-Flair-Barry Windham draws ever again. Ron the Bloggerhttp://ronmwangaguhunga.blogspot.com

IamFogHat

01-10-2007, 07:11 AM

Is this 2000?  When wrestling died?  Of course wrestling is dead.

Fallon

01-10-2007, 08:47 AM

It's DOA for sure.

RingWraith

01-10-2007, 12:44 PM

"Is Wrestling Dead???"   Uhhhh, YEAH!!!  Personally in my opinion, it died when ECW and WCW died years ago.

Team_Ramrod

01-10-2007, 12:47 PM

I can't make it through Raw/ Smackdown/ ECW episode anymore and haven't gotten a PPV in almost a year.If it's not dead, It's running out of air and will be shortly.

cougarjake13

01-10-2007, 04:57 PM

wrestling now is like when a family member dies but instead of having a funeral and burying them you just spray some cologne on them and prop them out there as if they never died

burrben

01-10-2007, 05:00 PM

wrestling died the day bret hart retired

sailor

01-10-2007, 05:08 PM

i miss flair versus kerry von erich

riverofpiss

01-10-2007, 05:33 PM

Poor wrestling, did you hear?  It died in Atlanta but couldn't get its body on a flight so Vince McMahon had to drive its body all the way up the east coast to Madison Square Garden to show it off to the old fans.  So sad.

Kevin

01-10-2007, 05:44 PM

sailor wrote: i miss flair versus kerry von erich If things continue as they are with Flair, He may be joining him very soon.

Tater

01-10-2007, 06:29 PM

Too many steroids, they need fat slobs.

SpicyMcHaggis

01-10-2007, 07:00 PM

Many people say that Vince McMahon is a genius.  I've seen it on some occassions with his ability to get wrestling into the mainstream like he did in the 90's.  However, I don't think his taking wrestling into a monopoly was genius.  I don't think his buying out of competition was genius.  I don't think that his avoidance of what the fans really want to see is genius.Vince Russo said it best.  "The wrestling business is killing the wrestling business."

K.C.

01-11-2007, 08:21 PM

Wrestling died when WCW died. National competition is what made wrestling great and when that died, so did the business. There's a chance it can be revived if TNA gets on track. It's supposedly a foregone conclusion, and all they're doing is working out details, that Impact is going to two hours which will help them tremendously.There's potential there, but still a lot that's just horrible and needs to be worked on.  WWE has no chance at getting better. Nobody there knows what the fuck they're doing. If it wasn't for overseas tours and DVD sales, they'd be in some pretty big trouble financially.

Dan 'Hampton

01-12-2007, 04:58 PM

It's not dead, its just pretending to be dead.

nevnut

01-12-2007, 05:08 PM

MMA is the shit!!

epo

01-12-2007, 05:56 PM

Vince doesn't like wrestling.  He likes entertainment.  So long wrestling.  I'll watch you on YouTube.

ponelas park townie

01-13-2007, 12:26 AM

Ring of Honor. 90-min draws.

Doctor Z

01-13-2007, 01:32 AM

epo wrote: Vince doesn't like wrestling. He likes entertainment.  Unfortunately there's nothing entertaining about it.

NITRON

01-13-2007, 04:54 AM

Vince  said he's in the entertainment business, not the wrestling business.

cougarjake13

01-13-2007, 05:29 AM

NITRON wrote:   Vince  said he's in the entertainment business, not the wrestling business.which is why we got the XFL and now all these retarded movies

K.C.

01-13-2007, 10:00 AM

NITRON wrote:   Vince  said he's in the entertainment business, not the wrestling business.And that is why he's delusional. He could produce 10 movies in a row that blow away IMDB's Top 10 and people still wouldn't take him seriously because he's a wrestling promoter and he'll always be known as a wrestling promoter. Vince and WWE will never gain any legitimatcy as a production company, because as long as everything in WWE still centers around a wrestling ring, people won't take it seriously. He needs to just embrace what he is...a wrestling promoter...it's not a bad thing. Hell, that's how he became a billionaire. And when Vince actually tries with his wrestling product, he does a solid job. The problem is he hasn't tried in about six years.

Fallon

01-13-2007, 10:02 AM

Well I gave up on smackdown a couple years ago, this week I deleted my ECW recording without watching it and removed the series recording. I'm hanging by a string with raw.

I wish tna didn't suck so bad, I'm running out of options.

FezPaul

01-13-2007, 10:05 AM

dschef wrote: It's not dead, its just pretending to be dead. Well done sir! Clappy hands for you. <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" width="28" height="30" />

Dan 'Hampton

01-13-2007, 10:10 AM

I thank you sir.

newport king

01-13-2007, 05:23 PM

kids still watch this shit, i think most of us were spoiled during the nwo/original dx days. every monday religiously if you were a fan you were by the tv filping back and forth to see who can top who. that night shane came out on nitro started with alot of promise but it went downhill quickly after that. TNA is fucking godawful everytime i've seen it. Ive never ordered a PPV since i can't get free PPVs anymore. Theres no way i'd pay for this shit. Maybe we're al just nostalgic for what we lved when we were younger but i'm not "getting" this "product" they've been putting out the last few years.

shamus mcfitzy

01-15-2007, 02:27 AM

I used to just steal the ppvs and watch them. Then around a year after WCW got bought up I started watching the ppvs every other month or so although i was still getting them free. Then I no longer was able to get the freebies and would only buy Summerslam, Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. Now i haven't bought a ppv since the last Royal Rumble and don't plan on buying anymore. I don't think ive missed a Royal Rumble in like 13 years. Just Sad.

This message was edited by shamus mcfitzy on 1-15-07 @ 6:28 AM

cougarjake13

01-15-2007, 04:30 AM

i also used to get the free ppv's and ive only seen wrestlemania and the rumble the last few years

RingWraith

01-15-2007, 10:29 AM

newport king wrote: kids still watch this shit, i think most of us were spoiled during the nwo/original dx days. every monday religiously if you were a fan you were by the tv filping back and forth to see who can top who. that night shane came out on nitro started with alot of promise but it went downhill quickly after that. TNA is fucking godawful everytime i've seen it. Ive never ordered a PPV since i can't get free PPVs anymore. Theres no way i'd pay for this shit. Maybe we're al just nostalgic for what we lved when we were younger but i'm not "getting" this "product" they've been putting out the last few years.You're 100% right on all points.  I do feel we as wrestling fans during the late 90's were very spoiled and I knew then, it wasn't going to last.I do used to get my PPV's for free.  Those were the "glory days" before my cable subscriber went digital. >: (   The last PPV I got for free was Wrestlemania 21.  I had a good run.As for the Vince saying: "I'm in the entertainment business."  When I heard him saying that years ago, I felt he was "insulting my intellligence" with that statement.The guy really has no clue what's entertaining.  Stupid segments on RAW or Smackdown, or a "Zombie" at the fake ECW, makes me question why do I still watch RAW.  I guess I'm holding on too much.  I hope there will be another "wrestling boom" down the road, but my gut tells me it won't happen. SIGH!!!

cougarjake13

01-15-2007, 10:35 AM

RingWraith wrote: newport king wrote: kids still watch this shit, i think most of us were spoiled during the nwo/original dx days. every monday religiously if you were a fan you were by the tv filping back and forth to see who can top who. that night shane came out on nitro started with alot of promise but it went downhill quickly after that. TNA is fucking godawful everytime i've seen it. Ive never ordered a PPV since i can't get free PPVs anymore. Theres no way i'd pay for this shit. Maybe we're al just nostalgic for what we lved when we were younger but i'm not "getting" this "product" they've been putting out the last few years.You're 100% right on all points.  I do feel we as wrestling fans during the late 90's were very spoiled and I knew then, it wasn't going to last.I do used to get my PPV's for free.  Those were the "glory days" before my cable subscriber went digital. >: (   The last PPV I got for free was Wrestlemania 21.  I had a good run.As for the Vince saying: "I'm in the entertainment business."  When I heard him saying that years ago, I felt he was "insulting my intellligence" with that statement.The guy really has no clue what's entertaining.  Stupid segments on RAW or Smackdown, or a "Zombie" at the fake ECW, makes me question why do I still watch RAW.  I guess I'm holding on too much.  I hope there will be another "wrestling boom" down the road, but my gut tells me it won't happen. SIGH!!! not that i got much better but ecw doesnt or hasnt done any of the stupid gimmicks like the zombie since the first month, but it feels like theres no direction, just a bunch of matches thrown togetherat least there isnt a ton of crossover like there was in the beginninghopefully they know they have no competition now and only just do enough and are waiting for someone to step up like TNA to bring out the good shit, i doubt it but one can hope

sleepyeyed_Jynx

01-15-2007, 02:46 PM

newport king wrote:TNA is fucking godawful everytime i've seen it. Ive never ordered a PPV since i can't get free PPVs anymore. Theres no way i'd pay for this shit. Maybe we're al just nostalgic for what we lved when we were younger but i'm not "getting" this "product" they've been putting out the last few years. My sentiments exactly. TNA would have some promise if Jeff Jarret stopped pushing himself in his own wrestling promotion, and if they stopped planning every fucking move and spot in their matches. It's takes me out of the fantasy when I see guys hesitating and waiting for the other one to get up just to perform a fucking clothesline. And it's fucking retarted when a tag partnet gets into the ring to conveniently do a move that his partner, who is on the other side of the ring, and hasn't been paying attention to him for half the match is waiting for him to come and help in some complicated move that only two people that have been comminicating prior would be able to pull off. The shit feels like a fucking play when they do that dumb shit. WWE is dead though. They buried somebody like Shelton Benjamin deep into the mid-card and decided to push Randy Orton at every interval with no results. It also hurt them alot when they kept the title on Cena for almost 2 years now, and he still doesnt' have it in him to oull off a great match. He still looks like a fucking retard in the ring, and he is still the fucking champion. This is why I forget that the WWE exists. It's only when I visit this board, or the other day when I bought Smackdown VS Raw '07, that i was reminded of it. Vince is a fucking moron. He should re-hire Heyman and have him and Tommy Dreamer manage ECW. Smackdown and Raw should be managed collectively by himself, and the wrestlers. Some of these guys have really good ideas for storylines. Let them have some input like they did years ago. And hire some guys that have come up in the business and are known to write good drama in the ring, not fucking hollywood writers. He let Steph do enough damage with the whole "Lita is pregnant" angle. And who could forget "Melina was raped by Batista"? Fucking awful.

Bob Impact

01-16-2007, 08:13 PM

"They always say 'you can't kill this business, you can only bruise it.'  But what happened with WCW is living proof that you can kill this business when the people running it know nothing about it." - Bobby HeenanEric Bischoff and Vince Russo started the bleeding, Vince McMahon finished it.

cougarjake13

01-17-2007, 03:03 PM

sleepyeyed_Jynx wrote: newport king wrote: TNA is fucking godawful everytime i've seen it. Ive never ordered a PPV since i can't get free PPVs anymore. Theres no way i'd pay for this shit. Maybe we're al just nostalgic for what we lved when we were younger but i'm not "getting" this "product" they've been putting out the last few years. My sentiments exactly. TNA would have some promise if Jeff Jarret stopped pushing himself in his own wrestling promotion, and if they stopped planning every fucking move and spot in their matches. WWE is dead though. They buried somebody like Shelton Benjamin deep into the mid-card and decided to push Randy Orton at every interval with no results. It also hurt them alot when they kept the title on Cena for almost 2 years now, and he still doesnt' have it in him to oull off a great match. He still looks like a fucking retard in the ring, and he is still the fucking champion. This is why I forget that the WWE exists. It's only when I visit this board, or the other day when I bought Smackdown VS Raw '07, that i was reminded of it. Vince is a fucking moron. He should re-hire Heyman and have him and Tommy Dreamer manage ECW. Smackdown and Raw should be managed collectively by himself, and the wrestlers. Some of these guys have really good ideas for storylines. Let them have some input like they did years ago. And hire some guys that have come up in the business and are known to write good drama in the ring, not fucking hollywood writers. He let Steph do enough damage with the whole "Lita is pregnant" angle. And who could forget "Melina was raped by Batista"? Fucking awful. jarretts been out of the picture for like 2 months so thats a start

conman823

01-17-2007, 07:58 PM

The real problem with WWE is that Vince is letting his little princess do whatever she wants in creative. Does anyone else remember a story awhile back that Steph let a human terd like Snitsky have a run over Kane just because "he made her laugh in the back"?He let Haymen take the fall for ECW shitting the bed, and Bischoff is "just talent" shouldn't THEY be taken more seriously then Steph, who is still learning the buisness? Vince did kill wrestling, he killed it with his Ego.

TinyInfantJesus

01-17-2007, 08:20 PM

Ok think about this when was Vince at his best? During the 'Attitude' Era, when he had Stone Cold, the Corporation, DX, and the Rock. All these dynamic personalities and solid wrestlers. They are all gone now, and there has yet to be someone who has come along who has this dynamic personality, so he goes for guys who look like monsters; Cena, Batista, Triple H. On top of that the Brand Split has basically killed the WWE. They need to scrap the idea and cut the fat. When you have to go to Fit Finlay as a go to guy, you're in trouble. Vince has to realize the new thing in wrestling is...WRESTLING! Look what TNA is starting to do, and how well ROH is doing on the independent scene. Vince also has surrounded himself with some IDIOT road agents. He has these guys who peaked in the 80's who have lost touch with the industry. Sooner or later Vince will realize he needs to clean house and make guys like Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, and Chavo Gurrero Road Agents/Wrestlers. They have some great talent in CM Punk, London and Kendrick, Kenny, Carlito, Eugene (Nick Dinsmore is actually a great wrestler), Charlie Haas, Matt Hardy, and Shelton Benjamin.If I were Vince I would get rid of the Brand Split, and go back to the old formula. Let the big names go for the Championship, and the rest of the titles and feuds go for good wrestling. Eventually those guys will grow to superstars and you can switch in those big names for great wrestlers. Similar to Hart/Michaels and Sid/Yokozuna back and forth.Wrestling can be saved, it's just going through a down era.

RingWraith

01-17-2007, 09:16 PM

TinyInfantJesus wrote: Ok think about this when was Vince at his best? During the 'Attitude' Era, when he had Stone Cold, the Corporation, DX, and the Rock. All these dynamic personalities and solid wrestlers. They are all gone now, and there has yet to be someone who has come along who has this dynamic personality, so he goes for guys who look like monsters; Cena, Batista, Triple H. On top of that the Brand Split has basically killed the WWE. They need to scrap the idea and cut the fat. When you have to go to Fit Finlay as a go to guy, you're in trouble. Vince has to realize the new thing in wrestling is...WRESTLING! Look what TNA is starting to do, and how well ROH is doing on the independent scene. Vince also has surrounded himself with some IDIOT road agents. He has these guys who peaked in the 80's who have lost touch with the industry. Sooner or later Vince will realize he needs to clean house and make guys like Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, and Chavo Gurrero Road Agents/Wrestlers. They have some great talent in CM Punk, London and Kendrick, Kenny, Carlito, Eugene (Nick Dinsmore is actually a great wrestler), Charlie Haas, Matt Hardy, and Shelton Benjamin.If I were Vince I would get rid of the Brand Split, and go back to the old formula. Let the big names go for the Championship, and the rest of the titles and feuds go for good wrestling. Eventually those guys will grow to superstars and you can switch in those big names for great wrestlers. Similar to Hart/Michaels and Sid/Yokozuna back and forth.Wrestling can be saved, it's just going through a down era. I really do agree with you that the brand split should end.  In fact, it should've ended years ago.  I mean we see the SAME matches week after week, it's f'n annoying.But I doubt they'll ever go back as ONE roster unless Smackdown and (fake)ECW gets cancelled.

TinyInfantJesus

01-17-2007, 09:20 PM

RingWraith wrote: TinyInfantJesus wrote: Ok think about this when was Vince at his best? During the 'Attitude' Era, when he had Stone Cold, the Corporation, DX, and the Rock. All these dynamic personalities and solid wrestlers. They are all gone now, and there has yet to be someone who has come along who has this dynamic personality, so he goes for guys who look like monsters; Cena, Batista, Triple H. On top of that the Brand Split has basically killed the WWE. They need to scrap the idea and cut the fat. When you have to go to Fit Finlay as a go to guy, you're in trouble. Vince has to realize the new thing in wrestling is...WRESTLING! Look what TNA is starting to do, and how well ROH is doing on the independent scene. Vince also has surrounded himself with some IDIOT road agents. He has these guys who peaked in the 80's who have lost touch with the industry. Sooner or later Vince will realize he needs to clean house and make guys like Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, and Chavo Gurrero Road Agents/Wrestlers. They have some great talent in CM Punk, London and Kendrick, Kenny, Carlito, Eugene (Nick Dinsmore is actually a great wrestler), Charlie Haas, Matt Hardy, and Shelton Benjamin.If I were Vince I would get rid of the Brand Split, and go back to the old formula. Let the big names go for the Championship, and the rest of the titles and feuds go for good wrestling. Eventually those guys will grow to superstars and you can switch in those big names for great wrestlers. Similar to Hart/Michaels and Sid/Yokozuna back and forth.Wrestling can be saved, it's just going through a down era. I really do agree with you that the brand split should end. In fact, it should've ended years ago. I mean we see the SAME matches week after week, it's f'n annoying.But I doubt they'll ever go back as ONE roster unless Smackdown and (fake)ECW gets cancelled.  If the ratings keep going down, I think they'll be forced to. Not to mention once a lot of guys contracts run up they'll be losing guys left and right to TNA.

ralphbxny

01-17-2007, 09:56 PM

TNA is headed in the right direction. Ring of honor who was mentioned earlier is AWESOME! If you liked the old school stuff go to a show. They are affordable and put on a great show. WWE thinks money first its why Cena and Batista are the Champs. Not cause they are the best or the crowd fav cause then RVD would have a belt. It has become predictable and they dont work the right stories and the ones they do they ruin by developing stuff too fast or not enough. I remember Hulk Hogan chasin Roddy for 6 to 8 months. That would never happen now!!

TinyInfantJesus

01-17-2007, 10:03 PM

ralphbxny wrote: TNA is headed in the right direction. Ring of honor who was mentioned earlier is AWESOME! If you liked the old school stuff go to a show. They are affordable and put on a great show. WWE thinks money first its why Cena and Batista are the Champs. Not cause they are the best or the crowd fav cause then RVD would have a belt. It has become predictable and they dont work the right stories and the ones they do they ruin by developing stuff too fast or not enough. I remember Hulk Hogan chasin Roddy for 6 to 8 months. That would never happen now!!I've never actually been to a ROH show, but I own a bunch of DVDs and keep up to date with the results and so on. As for the long chase and feuds, that stuff was going on all the way up to Stone Cold vs. Vince. I mean it's the long feuds that keep people coming back. That is what I don't understand. I mean now they focus their feuds around Triple H who is only arond for 7 months at a time because he is constantly getting hurt. They need one of those monster feuds that people talk about. I mean why not have CM Punk become a heel and push him and have him feud with Stone Cold like an opposite Stone Cold/Vince rivalry. Have Stone Cold send a wrestler after CM Punk.

EddieMoscone

01-18-2007, 09:09 AM

I went to the Ring of Honor show at the Manhattan Center on 12/23, and the crowd was off the charts incredible.  I haven't experienced a show like that since the prime of ECW.  The only difference is that the wrestling on Ring of Honor shows is top to bottom better than ECW ever had...I defy anyone to get their hands on a copy of the Samoa Joe vs. Kenta Kobashi, Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuiness from the UK shows, or the Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA matches and tell me that ROH doesn't have the best pure wrestling right now. next show is 2/16 at the Manhattan Center.  If you have any interest in wrestling at all and are getting tired of "Entertainment", you should pick up a GA ticket and check it out.