ESPN's All-Time Super Bowl team rankings...

[El Mudo]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=super/rankings/80-61&amp;lpos=spotlight&amp;lid=tab3pos1">My verdict?&nbsp; 1991 Redskins and 1972 Dolphins are ranked too low</a>

[Fezticle98]

<p>I agree with you Mudo. That Redskins team destroyed its playoff opponents. If not for a close loss to a young Cowboys team (the Redskins were always snakebit against them), the Redskins would have gone undefeated.</p><p>Gibbs, Green, Monk, Jacoby, Grimm: current, future or possible hall of famers.</p><p>&quot;Roleplayers&quot; including: Wilber Marshall, Charles Mann, Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, Monte Coleman, Bostic, Lachey, Schlereth, Riggs, Collins, and Brian Mitchell amongst others.</p><p>Career years from Lohmiller, Rypien and Ervins.</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<font size="4">Bad Time</font>

[Marc with a c]

i like the name dexter manley

[lleeder]

<font size="3">I was gonna read this til I saw 80 teams. I'll just say this list sucks and be correct about it.</font>

[Snacks]

<p>I would say the 1972 dolphins should be #1, no other team ever went undefeated. I will say the 84 niners should be #2 15-1. then the Bears #3, b/c they would have lost to the dolphins if they didnt get screwed agains NE Pats in the playoffs. Remember Miami was the only team to beat the bears that year.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I may be bias b/c my fav team is&nbsp; the dolphins</p>

[Snacks]

<p>one thing I just noticed looking at the stats. Everyone talks about the 85 bears having the best def. I always fight that and say Balt 2000 team had the best def. But I just noticed Mia has 3 better stats def years then the bears as well</p><p>2000 Ravens 10.3 points per game against</p><p>1973 Dolphins 10.7</p><p>1972 Dolphins 12.2</p><p>1971 Dolphins 12.4</p><p>1985 Bears 12.4</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I know how amo tagainst my cousin who is a bears fan. Not only are they not the best points against they are 5th behind 3 of my teams years.</p>

[epo]

The 1986 Bears are the most overrated team ever.&nbsp; Not the greatest defense ever with a subpar SuperBowl offense.&nbsp;

[Bossanova]

I think if you win 4 titles in 6 years, you have to be a serious f'n team.&nbsp; I put my vote in for the Steelers.&nbsp;

[TheVHD]

<p>There's NO WAY the 1998 Broncos are not in the top 5!!!&nbsp; They were solid Offense, Defense, and Special teams.</p><p>Just for the record so you don't think I'm biased... I'm a Bronco fan.</p>

[TheVHD]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />i like the name dexter manley <p>I always found it ironic that a man named &quot;Dexter&quot; couldn't read.</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>TheVHD</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />i like the name dexter manley <p>I always found it ironic that a man named &quot;Dexter&quot; couldn't read.</p><p>But he graduated College.... Those cookey Southern Schools.</p>

[Snacks]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I think if you win 4 titles in 6 years, you have to be a serious f'n team.&nbsp; I put my vote in for the Steelers.&nbsp; <p>I agree thats very impressive, but this is about a team in any 1 year not 4 over 6 years. To me the best team has got to be all around and the 72 dolphins had the #1 ranked off and #1 ranked def and went undefeated. Schedule or not, no other team has done this, EVER!</p>

[Marc with a c]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheVHD</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />i like the name dexter manley <p>I always found it ironic that a man named &quot;Dexter&quot; couldn't read.</p><p>But he graduated College.... Those cooney Southern Schools.</p><p>take that type of shit back to fba.&nbsp; we don't need it here.</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheVHD</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />i like the name dexter manley <p>I always found it ironic that a man named &quot;Dexter&quot; couldn't read.But</p><p> he graduated College.... Those cooney Southern Schools.take</p><p> that type of shit back to fba. we don't need it here.</p><p> I HAVE BEEN MISTH QUOTED DADDY!</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 1-25-07 @ 11:16 PM</span>

[Fezticle98]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />i like the name dexter manley <p>i have him in my death pool</p>

[A.J.]

<p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title?&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title?&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>because jim mcmahon was the 80's version of rex grossman</p>

[ozzie]

<strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I think if you win 4 titles in 6 years, you have to be a serious f'n team.&nbsp; I put my vote in for the Steelers.&nbsp; <p>I agree thats very impressive, but this is about a team in any 1 year not 4 over 6 years. To me the best team has got to be all around and the 72 dolphins had the #1 ranked off and #1 ranked def and went undefeated. Schedule or not, no other team has done this, EVER!</p><p>Most people forget that the Redskins were favored over the Dolphins going into that game.&nbsp; They didn't even get respect then.&nbsp; If they hadn't gone undefeated that year, they'd be ranked even lower.&nbsp; But they did, and have been the only team to do so,&nbsp;so I gotta agree that #7 is probably about as high as they should be.</p>

[Crippler]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title? </p><p>1.&nbsp; Payton's career was ending (1300 yards in '86, but was splitting carries with Neal Anderson by '87), and the offense wasn't that great to begin with.</p><p>2.&nbsp; McMahon didn't play more than 9 games in any of the&nbsp;next three seasons.</p><p>3.&nbsp; Eventually the D got old.</p>

[Crippler]

<strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br /><p><font style="background-color: #ffff99">the Bears #3, b/c they would have lost to the dolphins if they didnt get screwed agains NE Pats in the playoffs. Remember Miami was the only team to beat the bears that year.</font> </p><p>STOP IT! &nbsp;YOU CANNOT BELIEVE THIS SHIT EVEN THOUGH I'VE LISTENED TO YOU SPEW IT FOR YEARS.</p><p>NO ONE was beating the '85 Bears at full strength.&nbsp; I don't care if you don't believe they were the best all around team ever, don't care if you think they weren't the best D in history...don't&nbsp;care.</p><p>Please remember, as unspectacular as the '85 Bears offense&nbsp;was, when it was being run by Jim McMahon, it ran efficiently.&nbsp; When it was being run by Steve &quot;If Jim Can't Do It, I Sure Can&quot; Fuller, it might as well be the 2007 Bears offense.&nbsp; Yes, Miami beat the Bears on Dec 2nd in Miami with Fuller at the helm.&nbsp; But with a healthy McMahon in the Super Dome NO ONE WAS BEATING THE '85 BEARS.</p>

[yomudder21]

<strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=super/rankings/80-61&amp;lpos=spotlight&amp;lid=tab3pos1">My verdict? 1991 Redskins and 1972 Dolphins are ranked too low</a><p>&nbsp;This is the time of year when the Redskins are happy that the season is basically over so we can go back to talking about how they have three super bowls and how Joe Gibbs is going to bring them around next year.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; because he is Joe Gibbs, duh! &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>homers.&nbsp;</p>

[DJEvelEd]

<p>As much as I hate those fuckin fish, the record speaks for itself. EVERY team strives to be undefeated.</p><p>1. '72 Dolphins</p><p>2. '85 Bears</p><p>3. '84 49ers</p>&nbsp;<strong>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title?</strong> <strong>2 words.....Buddy Ryan</strong>

[El Mudo]

Firstly:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong>yomudder21</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=super/rankings/80-61&amp;lpos=spotlight&amp;lid=tab3pos1">My verdict? 1991 Redskins and 1972 Dolphins are ranked too low</a><p> This is the time of year when the Redskins are happy that the season is basically over so we can go back to talking about how they have three super bowls and how Joe Gibbs is going to bring them around next year. Why? because he is Joe Gibbs, duh! </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>homers. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm not a Redskins fan.&nbsp; That being said, the 1991 Redskins were one of the greatest NFL teams ever...seriously.&nbsp; Go back and look at the numbers they put up offensively and defensively.&nbsp; Their only losses came in a close game to Dallas, and the last game of the season at Philadelphia when all the starters sat.&nbsp; They pummled a really good Buffalo team in the Super Bowl, and made it look easy.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And about AJ's point, there were simply too many good teams in the NFC at the time.&nbsp; Ditka actually says the 86 Bears were <em>better</em> than the 85 version, but that team lost in the playoffs to the Redskins, who turned around and lost to the eventualy champion Giants.&nbsp; Look how many good teams there were in the 80s, just in the NFC...the 49ers teams, the Giants, the Redskins all won multiple super bowls.&nbsp; So it was really an accomplishment to advance ANYWHERE in the playoffs at the time against such competition </p>

[A.J.]

<strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title? </p><p>1.&nbsp; Payton's career was ending (1300 yards in '86, but was splitting carries with Neal Anderson by '87), and the offense wasn't that great to begin with.</p><p>2.&nbsp; McMahon didn't play more than 9 games in any of the&nbsp;next three seasons.</p><p>3.&nbsp; Eventually the D got old.</p><p>Valid points Crip, but during the 80s and early 90s&nbsp;the Niners won 4 Super Bowls, the Giants won two and the Redskins won two.&nbsp; With the exception of the Niners, none of those teams is as lauded as the 85 Bears always are.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title? </p><p>1.&nbsp; Payton's career was ending (1300 yards in '86, but was splitting carries with Neal Anderson by '87), and the offense wasn't that great to begin with.</p><p>2.&nbsp; McMahon didn't play more than 9 games in any of the&nbsp;next three seasons.</p><p>3.&nbsp; Eventually the D got old.</p><p>Valid points Crip, but during the 80s and early 90s&nbsp;the Niners won 4 Super Bowls, the Giants won two and the Redskins won two.&nbsp; With the exception of the Niners, none of those teams is as lauded as the 85 Bears always are.</p><p>whats your definition of early 90's cause the niners would have 5 if you count 95 vs san diego</p><p>redskins won one in the strike year so thats kind of hard to count</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>DJEvelEd</strong> wrote:<br /><p>As much as I hate those fuckin fish, the record speaks for itself. EVERY team strives to be undefeated.</p><p>1. '72 Dolphins</p><p>2. '85 Bears</p><p>3. '84 49ers</p>&nbsp;<strong>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title?</strong> <strong>2 words.....Buddy Ryan</strong> <p>Bingo.</p><p>Ryan and Ditka's relationship was incredibly competitive...they basically established an offense vs. defense mentality for the team, like one side had to outdo and &quot;beat&quot; the other, as an extension of the competition and often stormy relationship between Ditka and Ryan.&nbsp; Ryan left after the Super Bowl and never won another won...and Ditka never won another one.&nbsp; The Bears stayed very competitive throughout the 80's because of the sheer amount of talent on the team, but it wasn't the same without Ryan and Ditka.&nbsp; It was the two of them together and against each other that was able to harness the team's talent and focus it enough to win it all.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears:&nbsp; if they were so great, then why only one title? </p><p>1.&nbsp; Payton's career was ending (1300 yards in '86, but was splitting carries with Neal Anderson by '87), and the offense wasn't that great to begin with.</p><p>2.&nbsp; McMahon didn't play more than 9 games in any of the&nbsp;next three seasons.</p><p>3.&nbsp; Eventually the D got old.</p><p>Valid points Crip, but during the 80s and early 90s&nbsp;the Niners won 4 Super Bowls, the Giants won two and the Redskins won two.&nbsp; With the exception of the Niners, none of those teams is as lauded as the 85 Bears always are.</p><p>The pure dominance of that Bears season often sets them apart.&nbsp; Look at how many teams they shut out, especially in the playoffs.</p>

[El Mudo]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Crippler</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Here's what I don't understand about the 1985 Bears: if they were so great, then why only one title? </p><p>1. Payton's career was ending (1300 yards in '86, but was splitting carries with Neal Anderson by '87), and the offense wasn't that great to begin with.</p><p>2. McMahon didn't play more than 9 games in any of the next three seasons.</p><p>3. Eventually the D got old.</p><p>Valid points Crip, but during the 80s and early 90s the Niners won 4 Super Bowls, the Giants won two and the Redskins won two. With the exception of the Niners, none of those teams is as lauded as the 85 Bears always are.</p><p>The pure dominance of that Bears season often sets them apart. Look at how many teams they shut out, especially in the playoffs.</p>&nbsp;It was partly the dominance...particularly the way they killed the Pats in the Super Bowl, but also the sheer amount of personalities on the team also made them extremely memorable...the Fridge and Jim McMahon were HUGE thoughout the culture (no pun intended), and thats not even including Sweetness, or the popularity of Ditka (thanks to his love of the camera and George Wendt SNL bits), OR the Super Bowl Shuffle, which seems corny and awful now, but was daring and revolutionary and controversial and fun back in 1985<br /> <p>&nbsp;</p>