Is Roger Federer really that good ???

[cougarjake13]

<p>or is he just a product of a weak men's division ???</p><p>sampras retired in 2003, although it was really in 2002 after he beat agassi in the us open final, andy roddick has never lived up to&nbsp;expectations, especially in the big lights of grand slams&nbsp;( funny he is an a-rod also), hewitt and safin seem to have been one hit wonders, and agssi hasnt been the same since '03</p><p>federer dominance didnt begin until 2004 with sampras gone, agassi all but gone, and the rest of the field offering no real competition</p><p>rafael nadal seems like he can be a threat but needs to play better on non clay surfaces</p><p>so with that said he'll probably break sampras' record of 14 majors and i think its gonna to be tainted, although its not his fault that he doesnt have much competition, hopefully like with tiger in golf the field can catch up and make it more competible</p>

[sailor]

<font size="2">i think he's just that good.&nbsp; if he wasn't around, we wouldn't be having a discussion of the men's game being weak.&nbsp; nadal is nothing off of clay.&nbsp; he's a pantalooned joke.<br /></font>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>sailor</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="2">i think he's just that good.&nbsp; if he wasn't around, we wouldn't be having a discussion of the men's game being weak.&nbsp; nadal is nothing off of clay.&nbsp; he's a pantalooned joke.<br /></font><p>no i guess they'd all be average and everyone woukld be just interchangeable</p><p>and nadal's played well off clay</p><p>he made it to the finals at wimbledon against federer in '06 and he's still only 20 yrs old</p>

[spoon]

<p>He's fucking that good no doubt.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Poochie]

<p>Federer is that good, absolutely. He has won 10 grand slams so far and it only took him 3 1/2 years to do it. Sampras needed 15 years to win 14, AND Roger is only 25 years old!</p>

[johnniewalker]

I'd take Yevgeny Kafelnikov any day of the week.&nbsp;

[weekapaugjz]

he's that fucking good.&nbsp; if you are a world ranked tennis player, you are an amazing athlete and highly skilled at the sport and federer rips right through them with relative ease.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Poochie</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Federer is that good, absolutely. He has won 10 grand slams so far and it only took him 3 1/2 years to do it. Sampras needed 15 years to win 14, AND Roger is only 25 years old!</p><p>true but sampras had an agassi in his prime for most of his career, as well as the tail ends of other great players</p><p>roger did nothing til sampras retired and agassi became a shell of his former self</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>weekapaugjz</strong> wrote:<br />he's that fucking good.&nbsp; if you are a world ranked tennis player, you are an amazing athlete and highly skilled at the sport and federer rips right through them with relative ease. <p>yes but does he rips right through them because he is that much better or b/c he has no one even close to him in talent</p><p>its basically the same argument we had a few years back when tiger was running away from everyone else and he had no competiton, no one on his level, now tiger has had some great opponents, els, michelson, singh to name a few, who for whatever reason couldnt approach tiger</p><p>who are the els, mickelson, and singhs of the tennis world ??? </p><p>everyone wants it to be roddick (americans at least i think want that) but he shits the bed every time he faces roger, as of right now only nadal seems capable of hanging with him and thats only on hard or clay courts</p>

[sailor]

<strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br />I'd take Yevgeny Kafelnikov any day of the week. <p>&nbsp;<font size="2">up the butt?<br /></font></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>sailor</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>johnniewalker</strong> wrote:<br />I'd take Yevgeny Kafelnikov any day of the week. <p>&nbsp;<font size="2">up the butt?<br /></font></p><p>with pee ???</p>

[spoon]

<p>He's that good and rips through them bc he put himself on that other level.&nbsp; If he has no competition it's bc he destroys what may have been without him.&nbsp; One can only defeat the best in the world and he does it with relative ease.&nbsp; To discount him bc he doesn't have a rival yet or doesn't lose once in a while like Connors and Johnny Mac did to each other isn't an argument againt Fed, it's an argument for him in my mind.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[El Mudo]

<p>He's unbelieveable...He just won the Australian open without losing a SINGLE SET.&nbsp; completely mind boggling...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If he beats Nadal on Clay to win the French, he's the GOAT....no question.&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He's unbelieveable...He just won the Australian open without losing a SINGLE SET.&nbsp; completely mind boggling...</p><p>yes but who did he beat ???</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Bjorn Phau 7-5,6-0,6-4</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Jonas Bjorkman 6-2,6-3,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Mikhail Youzhny 6-3,6-3,7-6 (7-5)</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Novak Djokovic (14) 6-2,7-5,6-3</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Tommy Robredo (7) 6-3,7-6 (7-2),7-5</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Andy Roddick (6) 6-4,6-0,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Fernando Gonzalez (10) 7-6 (7-2),6-4,6-4</p><p>i've heard of&nbsp;bjorkman,youzhny,robredo and roddick but other than a -rod no one had a realistic shot of winning the match let alone be a consistent threat to r fed</p>

[HBox]

<p><span class="postbody">i've heard of&nbsp;bjorkman,youzhny,robredo and roddick but other than a -rod no one had a realistic shot of winning the match let alone be a consistent threat to r fed</span></p><p>And you're trying to spin this into a bad thing?</p>

[Marc with a c]

who cares?

[sailor]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He's unbelieveable...He just won the Australian open without losing a SINGLE SET. completely mind boggling...</p><p>yes but who did he beat ???</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Bjorn Phau 7-5,6-0,6-4</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Jonas Bjorkman 6-2,6-3,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Mikhail Youzhny 6-3,6-3,7-6 (7-5)</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Novak Djokovic (14) 6-2,7-5,6-3</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Tommy Robredo (7) 6-3,7-6 (7-2),7-5</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Andy Roddick (6) 6-4,6-0,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Fernando Gonzalez (10) 7-6 (7-2),6-4,6-4</p><p>i've heard of bjorkman,youzhny,robredo and roddick but other than a -rod no one had a realistic shot of winning the match let alone be a consistent threat to r fed</p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">three top-10 and the number 14 ranked player...on the planet, no matter what you think of them.<br /></font></p>

[El Mudo]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He's unbelieveable...He just won the Australian open without losing a SINGLE SET. completely mind boggling...</p><p>yes but who did he beat ???</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Bjorn Phau 7-5,6-0,6-4</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Jonas Bjorkman 6-2,6-3,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Mikhail Youzhny 6-3,6-3,7-6 (7-5)</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Novak Djokovic (14) 6-2,7-5,6-3</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Tommy Robredo (7) 6-3,7-6 (7-2),7-5</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Andy Roddick (6) 6-4,6-0,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Fernando Gonzalez (10) 7-6 (7-2),6-4,6-4</p><p>i've heard of bjorkman,youzhny,robredo and roddick but other than a -rod no one had a realistic shot of winning the match let alone be a consistent threat to r fed</p>&nbsp;He can't pick or choose the era he plays in or the guys he plays against...so why hold it against him?&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p>

[EliSnow]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote: <p>its basically the same argument we had a few years back when tiger was running away from everyone else and he had no competiton, no one on his level, now tiger has had some great opponents, els, michelson, singh to name a few, who for whatever reason couldnt approach tiger</p><p>who are the els, mickelson, and singhs of the tennis world ??? </p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">The only reason that Els, Michelson, and Singh were able to challenge Tiger over the last bunch of years is because Tiger was changing his swing, and trying new things to improve his game.&nbsp; If Tiger hadn't been doing that, I think people would still be talking about how there is no competition for Tiger on the Tour.</font></p>

[sailor]

<strong>EliSnow</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote: <p>its basically the same argument we had a few years back when tiger was running away from everyone else and he had no competiton, no one on his level, now tiger has had some great opponents, els, michelson, singh to name a few, who for whatever reason couldnt approach tiger</p><p>who are the els, mickelson, and singhs of the tennis world ??? </p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">The only reason that Els, Michelson, and Singh were able to challenge Tiger over the last bunch of years is because Tiger was changing his swing, and trying new things to improve his game. If Tiger hadn't been doing that, I think people would still be talking about how there is no competition for Tiger on the Tour.</font></p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">plus, he's using reputedly inferior nike equipment.&nbsp; i've also said he changed his swing to compensate for said equipment. </font></p>

[EliSnow]

<p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">I don't follow tennis at all, but I have a question.&nbsp; One of the things that atheletes like Bird, Jordan, Tiger and other top level athletes is that they want to win so badly, and have such intense desire and will that other players seem to wilt under their intensity, while they seem to make no (or at least less) mistakes.&nbsp; For Tiger, the only person I've seen who doesn't wilt as much as others is Chris DeMarco (at least when Tiger's been at the top of his game).&nbsp; </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3">Does Federer have the same trait?</font></p>

[Furtherman]

<p><strong><font size="1">Is Roger Federer really that good ???</font></strong> </p><p>I wouldn't know.&nbsp; I'm a guy so I don't watch tennis.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />who cares? <p>thanks moe </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>El Mudo</strong> wrote:<br /><p>He's unbelieveable...He just won the Australian open without losing a SINGLE SET. completely mind boggling...</p><p>yes but who did he beat ???</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Bjorn Phau 7-5,6-0,6-4</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Jonas Bjorkman 6-2,6-3,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Mikhail Youzhny 6-3,6-3,7-6 (7-5)</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Novak Djokovic (14) 6-2,7-5,6-3</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Tommy Robredo (7) 6-3,7-6 (7-2),7-5</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Andy Roddick (6) 6-4,6-0,6-2</p><p>Roger Federer (1) def. Fernando Gonzalez (10) 7-6 (7-2),6-4,6-4</p><p>i've heard of bjorkman,youzhny,robredo and roddick but other than a -rod no one had a realistic shot of winning the match let alone be a consistent threat to r fed</p>He can't pick or choose the era he plays in or the guys he plays against...so why hold it against him?&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p><p>i know its not his fault that he plays in this era</p><p>just is he as good as he appears meaning could he hang with sampras, agassi, mcenroe, et tal in their primes</p><p>or is he just dominant now b/c there's not much competition giving the false impression of dominance and great play</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font size="1">Is Roger Federer really that good ???</font></strong> </p><p>I wouldn't know.&nbsp; I'm a guy so I don't watch tennis.</p><p>if you're really a guy then you would be watching tennis or any other sport that may be on just b/c it is a sport</p><p>and it was a bye week for football... what else was i gonna watch ??? there was golf later in the day and i think bowling was on</p>

[sailor]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font size="1">Is Roger Federer really that good ???</font></strong> </p><p>I wouldn't know. I'm a guy so I don't watch tennis.</p><p>if you're really a guy then you would be watching tennis or any other sport that may be on just b/c it is a sport</p><p>and it was a bye week for football... what else was i gonna watch ??? there was golf later in the day and i think bowling was on</p><p>&nbsp;<font size="2">yeah, i've watched competetive badminton if there's nothing else on.&nbsp; fuckin' fascinationg, actually.&nbsp; or that volleyball/soccer mash-up.&nbsp; forget the name, but it's just a sick concept.<br /> </font></p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font size="1">Is Roger Federer really that good ???</font></strong> </p><p>I wouldn't know.&nbsp; I'm a guy so I don't watch tennis.</p><p>if you're really a guy then you would be watching tennis or any other sport that may be on just b/c it is a sport</p><p>and it was a bye week for football... what else was i gonna watch ??? there was golf later in the day and i think bowling was on</p><p>Sorry, that's not how it works.&nbsp; I'd turn the TV off and do something else before I watch tennis.</p>

[Rockvillejoe]

<font size="2">I love the critics of tennis that regard tennis as unmanly or boring. these guys are probably the same soccer hating, middle-aged, overweight, out of conditioned, uncoordinated needle dicks who would rather watch a middle aged man strike a golf ball. now that's gay. as usual, we arrogant americans assume that if we don't like it, the world doesn't either. the baby boomers got old, they dictate what we like. they like a sport that requires little physical prep compared to active sports. they drive gold carts, for christ sakes. the fact is, tennis is booming everywhere else. the fact is that tennis when played at least at the club level requires athleticism, energy, strategy, and a willingness to knock out your opponent by outplaying him or outrunning him. it's bloodless boxing with raquets. &nbsp;Roger federer, hands down, is the best of all time. he is lightenning quick, covers every square inch of the court effortlessly, can hit any shot from anywhere on the court, and has an uncanny sense of anticipation. text book form, every shot.&nbsp;watch his eyes when he strikes the ball. he strikes the ball cleanly everytime.&nbsp;&nbsp;his eyes look the ball on the strings,&nbsp;and actually stay on the strings after the ball has been hit.<em> if you are still reading this rather run on thread, my apologies, a roger federer story that illustrates that this guy is not only a great player, but a great human being: when player james blake,(a usa player and currently ranked #4 in the world), was ranked around 95th in the world, several years ago, he injured his neck, lost his father, and had a nerve proiblem in his face. he was devastated. there was one, and only one&nbsp;fellow pro that sent him a hand written note of encouragement, telling him to hang in there. the pro who sent it? the number one player in the world then and now, roger federer. class act.</em></font>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Rockvillejoe on 1-31-07 @ 10:37 AM</span>

[Furtherman]

<p>Wow.&nbsp; Like tennis much?</p><p>I fact, I love soccer, I'm quite young, at an average weight and condition and I have a big, girthy hog that would rather watch a man hit a golf ball than play tennis.&nbsp; And I wouldn't get upset if someone disagreed with that assessment either.</p>

[Rockvillejoe]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Wow.&nbsp; Like tennis much?</p><p>I fact, I love soccer, I'm quite young, at an average weight and condition and I have a big, girthy hog that would rather watch a man hit a golf ball than play tennis.&nbsp; And I wouldn't get upset if someone disagreed with that assessment either.</p><p>congratulations on your girth, golf fan, not upset, but rather passionate and bummed that tennis has fallen so far from the national scene. think about the snub that soccer gets from the nfl fans, and thats how i feel about tennis. there was a time when you had to sign up for a public court because they were always being used, now its a ghost town, unless there are some kids playing roller hockey. i think i should move to europe where tennis and soccer are popular.but then i'd have to live in europe.</p>