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busybeeman

01-31-2007, 05:35 AM

Barack Obama Was A Junkie?January 3rd, 2007 | Author: A-Plus *>Ill. Senator Barack Obama is keeping it real… and it may come back to haunt him as he ascends the political ladder. *>In a memoir written before his political aspirations began, Obama admits to marijuana use and even labels himself a “junkie.” *>"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind," according to a report from The Post. Those words appear in Obama’s “Dreams From My Father”, a piece written in his 30’s. *>Obama is now 45-years-old. *>In another drug related news bit, Obama has also admitted, via another <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/56373/currentpage/#" target="_blank">book</a> to using cocaine at one time. *>While many politicians have been hindered by telling too much of the truth, Obama believes that America is ready for a politician who is open and honest. *>"I believe what the country is looking for is someone who is open, honest and candid about themselves rather than someone who seems endlessly <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/56373/currentpage/#" target="_blank">driven</a> by polls or focus groups," said Robert Gibbs, Obama's spokesman. 

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Rockvillejoe

01-31-2007, 05:35 AM

don'tworry.the clinton's will do a number on him even before the repub's get a chance. don't f with the clinton's. i goddamn guarantee you she will be the nominee,and give the repubs a tough fight. don't underestimate that clinton camp, they are well organised, shrewd and go for the throat. obama will be yesterdays news by may.

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 05:37 AM

busybeeman wrote: Barack Obama Was A Junkie?January 3rd, 2007 | Author: A-Plus *>Ill. Senator Barack Obama is keeping it real… and it may come back to haunt him as he ascends the political ladder. *>In a memoir written before his political aspirations began, Obama admits to marijuana use and even labels himself a “junkie.” *>"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind," according to a report from The Post. Those words appear in Obama’s “Dreams From My Father”, a piece written in his 30’s. *>Obama is now 45-years-old. *>In another drug related news bit, Obama has also admitted, via another <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/56373/currentpage/#" target="_blank">book</a> to using cocaine at one time. *>While many politicians have been hindered by telling too much of the truth, Obama believes that America is ready for a politician who is open and honest. *>"I believe what the country is looking for is someone who is open, honest and candid about themselves rather than someone who seems endlessly <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/56373/currentpage/#" target="_blank">driven</a> by polls or focus groups," said Robert Gibbs, Obama's spokesman. This message was edited by busybeeman on 1-31-07 @ 9:36 AM Nuff said.

cupcakelove

01-31-2007, 05:39 AM

busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Barack Obama Was A Junkie?January 3rd, 2007 | Author: A-Plus *>Ill. Senator Barack Obama is keeping it real… and it may come back to haunt him as he ascends the political ladder. *>In a memoir written before his political aspirations began, Obama admits to marijuana use and even labels himself a “junkie.” *>"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind," according to a report from The Post. Those words appear in Obama’s “Dreams From My Father”, a piece written in his 30’s. *>Obama is now 45-years-old. *>In another drug related news bit, Obama has also admitted, via another <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/56373/currentpage/#" target="_blank">book</a> to using cocaine at one time. *>While many politicians have been hindered by telling too much of the truth, Obama believes that America is ready for a politician who is open and honest. *>"I believe what the country is looking for is someone who is open, honest and candid about themselves rather than someone who seems endlessly <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/56373/currentpage/#" target="_blank">driven</a> by polls or focus groups," said Robert Gibbs, Obama's spokesman. This message was edited by busybeeman on 1-31-07 @ 9:36 AM Nuff said.What's your point?

Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 05:41 AM

busybeeman wrote: cupcakelove wrote: I'm one of those people that really likes Obama, but I can't tell you exactly why.  As of right now he's not the first person I would vote for.  I think this time around he just wants to throw himself out there as a likely future president.  I don't think he expects to win the nomination, but you never know what can happen. As I said [before some racist loser started stalking], Obama is fake-ass.STUPID IS NOT A RACE.

Hottub

01-31-2007, 05:54 AM

busybeeman wrote: I sincerely do respect your opinion.  But Obama is a faker. And Bill Clinton is a lier and an adulteror. He was still president.

MrPink

01-31-2007, 06:03 AM

Rockvillejoe wrote: don'tworry.the clinton's will do a number on him even before the repub's get a chance. don't f with the clinton's. i goddamn guarantee you she will be the nominee,and give the repubs a tough fight. don't underestimate that clinton camp, they are well organised, shrewd and go for the throat. obama will be yesterdays news by may. While the Clintons are a powerful family, Hillary will not be the democratic nominee. The democrats want to win the presidency this time and Hillary just polarizes the voters. She can only really get the far left voters, but the people on the right hate her with a passion. Obama can get people from both sides of the spectrum. Vote Doug Stanhope in 08!

cupcakelove

01-31-2007, 06:09 AM

MrPink wrote: Rockvillejoe wrote: don'tworry.the clinton's will do a number on him even before the repub's get a chance. don't f with the clinton's. i goddamn guarantee you she will be the nominee,and give the repubs a tough fight. don't underestimate that clinton camp, they are well organised, shrewd and go for the throat. obama will be yesterdays news by may. While the Clintons are a powerful family, Hillary will not be the democratic nominee. The democrats want to win the presidency this time and Hillary just polarizes the voters. She can only really get the far left voters, but the people on the right hate her with a passion. Obama can get people from both sides of the spectrum. Vote Doug Stanhope in 08!I don't know where people get that Hillary only pulls the far left, she is a pretty conservative dem.  Obama leans way more to the left than she does.  That makes her more likely to win, but, like you said, anyone on the right hates her.  She is a very polarizing.

TheMojoPin

01-31-2007, 06:12 AM

This isn't a "racist thread" per se, but busybeeman's refusal to post about ANYTHING except racial issues, especially ones that portray certain blacks as negatively as possible, are beyond tiring at this point.Like it was pointed out, why don't you bother to have a reason about a candidate's politics to not vote for them as opposed to them not fullfilling your absurd personal notions of "blackness?"

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 06:36 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: This isn't a "racist thread" per se, but busybeeman's refusal to post about ANYTHING except racial issues, especially ones that portray certain blacks as negatively as possible, are beyond tiring at this point.Like it was pointed out, why don't you bother to have a reason about a candidate's politics to not vote for them as opposed to them not fullfilling your absurd personal notions of "blackness?"[DISCLAIMER...if you're "black" I ain't saying that you're a sell-out.  I ain't saying you're just like Condi Rice being pimped by Bush.  Okay...nuff said.] Now, what's your point?

Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 06:39 AM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: This isn't a "racist thread" per se, but busybeeman's refusal to post about ANYTHING except racial issues, especially ones that portray certain blacks as negatively as possible, are beyond tiring at this point.Like it was pointed out, why don't you bother to have a reason about a candidate's politics to not vote for them as opposed to them not fullfilling your absurd personal notions of "blackness?"[DISCLAIMER...if you're "black" I ain't saying that you're a sell-out.  I ain't saying you're just like Condi Rice being pimped by Bush.  Okay...nuff said.] Now, what's your point?"i wish you were dead"<img src="http://hetstence.com/blog/media/norton.jpg" border="0" width="360" height="240" />

A.J.

01-31-2007, 06:50 AM

Hillary's a faker as a woman.

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 07:03 AM

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Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 07:13 AM

busybeeman wrote:   <h3><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/opinion/08bredesen.html"></a></h3><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/opinion/08drum.html">Start Making Sense</a> <h3><h3><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/opinion/08dean.html"></a></h3></h3><img src="http://www.worldinprogress.org/images/pot_kettle.jpg" border="0" width="229" height="123" />

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TheMojoPin

01-31-2007, 07:45 AM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: This isn't a "racist thread" per se, but busybeeman's refusal to post about ANYTHING except racial issues, especially ones that portray certain blacks as negatively as possible, are beyond tiring at this point.Like it was pointed out, why don't you bother to have a reason about a candidate's politics to not vote for them as opposed to them not fullfilling your absurd personal notions of "blackness?"[DISCLAIMER...if you're "black" I ain't saying that you're a sell-out.  I ain't saying you're just like Condi Rice being pimped by Bush.  Okay...nuff said.]I've read what you wrote at least a dozen times and it still doesn't answer my question...nor does it make any sense.

reillyluck

01-31-2007, 07:47 AM

i'm white.  just in case anyone was wondering. 

Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 07:51 AM

reillyluck wrote: i'm white.  just in case anyone was wondering.  dammit! sheepy, i owe you ten bucks!

reillyluck

01-31-2007, 07:54 AM

douggrasso wrote: reillyluck wrote: i'm white.  just in case anyone was wondering.  dammit! sheepy, i owe you ten bucks!you owe my dad 10 bucks too.

Hottub

01-31-2007, 07:57 AM

reillyluck wrote: douggrasso wrote: reillyluck wrote: i'm white.  just in case anyone was wondering.  dammit! sheepy, i owe you ten bucks!you owe my dad 10 bucks too.  I'm cute. Just in case anybody is wondering.

Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 08:00 AM

burrben

01-31-2007, 08:01 AM

he's too inexperienced for me

Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 08:01 AM

Hottub wrote: reillyluck wrote: douggrasso wrote: reillyluck wrote: i'm white.  just in case anyone was wondering.  dammit! sheepy, i owe you ten bucks!you owe my dad 10 bucks too.  I'm cute. Just in case anybody is wondering.dammit! here ya go!<img src="http://fishki.net/pics5/10bucks.jpg" border="0" width="462" height="193" />

wkj

01-31-2007, 08:02 AM

Right now, none of the above.

reillyluck

01-31-2007, 08:09 AM

wkj wrote: Right now, none of the above. no no....im really white.  Hottub is really cute too. <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" width="20" height="20" />

burrben

01-31-2007, 08:15 AM

KUCINICH '08

Snacks

01-31-2007, 10:20 AM

this thread makes no sense. So obama isnt black but is afican american and he's not you because your ancestors came from europe and africa? Doesnt that make you an african american too? Or isnt obama black because hes is a black man? This thread is all about race you have mentioned his race the whole time.Except when you talked about his weed smoking. So a real black man ro african american doesnt smoke weed or have skelotons in their closet from the past? Your reasoning just makes no sense. If that was a reaon not to vote for a president, we wouldnt have a president (Clinton, weed, bush coke etc) Every person has made mistakes, it comes down to what direction tehy want to country to go in. I personally would love to see a liberal society. So Im down with Obama. I think an Obam/Clinton could win easily. He is a little more left and she is a moderate dem this could help balance and give the voters and the white house.I'm happy with Clark, Clinton, and Obama and 2 ofthose 3 would make me happy. Clark is a good man, hes a democrate, liberal with social issues and modearte with fiscal. He should be considered more but hes too passive. I think any of the 3 I mentioned will help redirect America back in the right direction.   Hopefully!

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 10:56 AM

You seem as if you want to have a reasonable, intelligent exchange on this subject, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and try to answer your question. As I explain to folks born in Africa, they are African-American.  I'm a human being. I'm an American.  If you want to be descriptive about it, I'm a Black American.  But there is no way in hell that I am an African American.  That's a slur on my European and Native Peoples heritage.  Hope that helps.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 11:01 AM

Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian."  That's some bs thought up by Tiger Woods.  I'm a human being with ancestry from Africa, Europe, and this North American continent.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/happy.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

reillyluck

01-31-2007, 11:05 AM

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d66/mistformshadow/Thread%20funnies/Hobbesscarinchildren.gif

Snacks

01-31-2007, 11:15 AM

I still do not understand why you say obama is fake or why he shouldnt be voted for?

HBox

01-31-2007, 11:16 AM

busybeeman wrote: Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian." That's some bs thought up by Tiger Woods. I'm a human being with ancestry from Africa, Europe, and this North American continent.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/happy.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />nobody cares

SouthSideJohnny

01-31-2007, 11:21 AM

busybeeman wrote: Vote for Obama? Hell no! I'm Black. He's an African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here. What does he have in common with me? Skin color only. F Obama. Forget Obama. Hey, thanks for posting this.  I was actually going to vote for him until I read your post.  Your insight and analysis is amazing!  You should call call NBC and see if you can take Tim Russert's job on Meet the Press.

Jughead

01-31-2007, 11:43 AM

Im scared...Swear!!!

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 11:44 AM

Snacks wrote: I still do not understand why you say obama is fake or why he shouldnt be voted for?  <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0129/p09s02-coop.html">http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0129/p09s02-coop.html</a><h1 class="headline">Why blacks won't necessarily back Obama</h1><h2 class="sub">As recent history proves, political interests trump race.</h2><address class="byline">By Earl Ofari Hutchinson </address>LOS ANGELES - Political interests trump race. That's the hard lesson likely 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama will soon learn. Those who think black voters will automatically support one of their own need to think again. Recent history proves that point.A survey in January 1996 showed that the so-called black president, Bill Clinton, nosed out Jesse Jackson and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan in popularity among blacks. Eight years later, when Al Sharpton made his presidential foray in the South Carolina Democratic primary, he barely nudged out eventual Democratic presidential contender John Kerry among black voters. State and national black leaders put their muscle behind Senator Kerry or John Edwards.<div id="csmSidebar"></div>

Dougie Brootal

01-31-2007, 11:45 AM

busybeeman wrote: You seem as if you want to have a reasonable, intelligent exchange on this subject, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and try to answer your question. As I explain to folks born in Africa, they are African-American.  I'm a human being. I'm an American.  If you want to be descriptive about it, I'm a Black American.  But there is no way in hell that I am an African American.  That's a slur on my European and Native Peoples heritage.  Hope that helps.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />so why dont you just say, "im not voting for obama because he's african american. and i'm racist against african americans"

Furtherman

01-31-2007, 11:46 AM

busybeeman wrote: Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian."  How about a "Calrissian" ?

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 11:46 AM

<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/30/opinion/main2413315.shtml">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/30/opinion/main2413315.shtml</a> <h2 style="margin-left: 8px" class="headlinestory">Why White People Like Barack Obama</h2><h1 style="margin-left: 8px" class="subhead_story">The New Republic: Race May Be An Issue, But It's Good News For Obama</h1>The New Republic) This column was written by Peter Beinart. <hr width="75%" />In 1994, two sociologists went to Red Hook, Brooklyn, to solve a mystery. Red Hook abutted the East River, and along the waterfront sat shipping companies and warehouses — all in need of low-skilled labor. Next door sat a housing project teeming with exactly that. But the locals — primarily African Americans — didn't get hired. Instead, the jobs went to workers from outside the neighborhood, often Caribbean immigrants. Employers, wrote The New Yorker's Malcolm Gladwell in summarizing the sociologists' findings, "had developed an elaborate mechanism for distinguishing between those who they felt were 'good' blacks and those they felt were 'bad' blacks." Were the employers racist? Yes and no. They clearly held anti-black stereotypes.

reillyluck

01-31-2007, 11:47 AM

Furtherman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian."  How about a "Calrissian" ?http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/JWoodzIII/Lando.jpg

busybeeman

01-31-2007, 11:49 AM

reillyluck wrote: Furtherman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian."  How about a "Calrissian" ?<img src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/JWoodzIII/Lando.jpg" border="0" width="185" height="259" />Do I have permission to use this on the "Pimp" thread?

Furtherman

01-31-2007, 11:49 AM

Works every time!

Snacks

01-31-2007, 12:14 PM

busybeeman wrote: Snacks wrote: I still do not understand why you say obama is fake or why he shouldnt be voted for?  <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0129/p09s02-coop.html">http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0129/p09s02-coop.html</a><h1 class="headline">Why blacks won't necessarily back Obama</h1><h2 class="sub">As recent history proves, political interests trump race.</h2><address class="byline">By Earl Ofari Hutchinson </address>LOS ANGELES - Political interests trump race. That's the hard lesson likely 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama will soon learn. Those who think black voters will automatically support one of their own need to think again. Recent history proves that point.A survey in January 1996 showed that the so-called black president, Bill Clinton, nosed out Jesse Jackson and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan in popularity among blacks. Eight years later, when Al Sharpton made his presidential foray in the South Carolina Democratic primary, he barely nudged out eventual Democratic presidential contender John Kerry among black voters. State and national black leaders put their muscle behind Senator Kerry or John Edwards.* id="csmSidebar"> It has nothing to do with blacks not supporting a black man for presient. It just proves that color means nothing that both blacks and whites will vote for the better person. (Not in the case of Bush)This example you use is a joke b/c no person really believes that Jesse Jackson could be president and Farrakhan is so racist his own race doesnt like nor trust him.Obama will not get backing from blacks just b/c hes black, he will get backed by all races and hopefully he will win with clark or clinton as his running mate.

TheVHD

01-31-2007, 12:50 PM

HBox wrote: busybeeman wrote: Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian." That's some bs thought up by Tiger Woods. I'm a human being with ancestry from Africa, Europe, and this North American continent.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/happy.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />nobody caresSo your saying you DON'T eat people???

Jughead

01-31-2007, 12:54 PM

Bama???I love the Skynard...Ever hear Curtis Lowe???

Dougie Brootal

02-01-2007, 08:33 AM

jughead46041 wrote: Bama???I love the Skynard...Ever hear Curtis Lowe??? that song kicks ass!!!

hwyengr

02-01-2007, 09:57 PM

burrben wrote: he's too inexperienced for me Right.ÿ Because the last time we elected a president with Obama-level experience, his name was Lincoln.ÿ What a mistake THAT was.

busybeeman

02-11-2007, 05:54 AM

busybeeman wrote: [DISCLAIMER: This ain't no racist thread...thank you]Vote for Obama?  Hell no!  I'm Black.  He's an African-American.  My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here.  What does he have in common with me?  Skin color only.  F Obama.  Forget Obama.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070211/ap_on_el_pr/obama2008;_ylt=AqbeYiK8BAkYjR2VqvgV_.OyFz4D">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070211/ap_on_el_pr/obama2008;_ylt=AqbeYiK8BAkYjR2VqvgV_.OyFz4D</a> Hell no.  I still ain't voting for Obama.  The Demoplicans (as opposed to the Republocrats...what's the diff?--nuttin! that's what!) must really want to lose.  Why don't they run a regular "White" guy like Edwards?  Answer: they want to lose...again.

Dan 'Hampton

02-11-2007, 07:13 AM

reillyluck wrote: Furtherman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Before anyone goes there, no I ain't no "Cablinasian." How about a "Calrissian" ?<img src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/JWoodzIII/Lando.jpg" border="0" /> I'd voe for the cool side of the pillow.

Dudeman

02-11-2007, 07:47 AM

hwyengr wrote: burrben wrote: he's too inexperienced for me Right. Because the last time we elected a president with Obama-level experience, his name was Lincoln. What a mistake THAT was.it isn't as much a question of experience (otherwise every president should be reelected) as it is about intelligence.  Bush, for example, is a totally stupid idiot, while Obama is extremely smart.

cougarjake13

02-11-2007, 08:47 AM

i dont have enough info on him to make a real an informed decision yet, if he does make it far enough to be the democratic choice for prez hopefully we'll have more info

shittyhambrgers

02-11-2007, 09:11 AM

aren't all politicians fakers anyway?  he'd fit right in.  as for voting for him... i won't.  he's a novelty.  the guy has barely been a senator and now he's running for president?  why?  b/c he's a good public speaker and there's a buzz around him?  tell me how you wanna fix the country, then maybe i'll consider it.

kellermcgee21

02-11-2007, 01:07 PM

I think now that Obama has announced that he's running he will be much more vocal about changes he wants to see in our country.  In his speech yesterday he gave strong views on many different issues and how he would handle them.  First he is for ending the war in Iraq and said he has a plan to bring our troops home by March of 08.  He talked about our need to end our dependence on oil and talked about giving incentives to companies producing fuel efficient cars.  He wants better training and higher pay for teachers.  He wants a universal health care system in place by 2012.  Obama would be a welcome change imo and I would vote for him in a second if he gets the nomination.You can read his speech here: <a href="http://www.lemonchicken.ca/?p=298">http://www.lemonchicken.ca/?p=298</a>

TheMojoPin

02-11-2007, 05:37 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: i dont have enough info on him to make a real an informed decision yet, if he does make it far enough to be the democratic choice for prez hopefully we'll have more info The man has two books out there, one of which pretty clearly explains his politics.  It's not like he's some mystery none of us can figure out.

busybeeman

02-23-2007, 08:07 AM

Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.

epo

02-23-2007, 12:08 PM

busybeeman wrote: Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.I would argue not.  Hilliary is the front runner and right now Obama is realistically the "other" big candidate.  He has to be smart enough to realize he is not going to be a VEEP under Hilliary as the Dems are not going to package two "minorities" on the same ticket.  (Plus Hilliary is already apparently pulling dirty tricks on him as the Geffen story was reportedly a Clinton planted story, as was the Muslim-school story.)  That being said he could take a VEEP under Gore or Edwards, as he could actually strengthen those tickets.  Especially if Gore ran and got the nomination.  Worse case scenario, Obama runs a very positive campaign and builds a brand/gets his name out there to the rubes.  Then he could position well as a front-runner in 2012 or 2016.  

This message was edited by epo on 2-23-07 @ 4:13 PM

busybeeman

02-23-2007, 01:18 PM

epo wrote: busybeeman wrote: Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.I would argue not.  Hilliary is the front runner and right now Obama is realistically the "other" big candidate.  He has to be smart enough to realize he is not going to be a VEEP under Hilliary as the Dems are not going to package two "minorities" on the same ticket.  (Plus Hilliary is already apparently pulling dirty tricks on him as the Geffen story was reportedly a Clinton planted story, as was the Muslim-school story.)  That being said he could take a VEEP under Gore or Edwards, as he could actually strengthen those tickets.  Especially if Gore ran and got the nomination.  Worse case scenario, Obama runs a very positive campaign and builds a brand/gets his name out there to the rubes.  Then he could position well as a front-runner in 2012 or 2016.  This message was edited by epo on 2-23-07 @ 4:13 PM Interesting analysis, but I'm a natural skeptic about matters political.  I honestly believe Obama's a highly intelligent guy whose got an agenda.  What exactly it is, I don't know.  My best guess would be money and/or influence.  But he can't possibly think he has a snowball's chance in hell getting nominated, much less elected.

epo

02-23-2007, 06:18 PM

Interesting analysis, but I'm a natural skeptic about matters political.  I honestly believe Obama's a highly intelligent guy whose got an agenda.  What exactly it is, I don't know.  My best guess would be money and/or influence.  But he can't possibly think he has a snowball's chance in hell getting nominated, much less elected.I am skeptical also.Barack Obama has always caught me as a dude who's motivation is about influence & ego.  But then again, find me a politician who doesn't have those motivations.  I will say that in my short life I have seen many politicians and none have had the personal charisma of Obama.  Eventually this guy will be president in my opinion, it's just a question of when, not of if.

busybeeman

02-24-2007, 07:02 AM

epo wrote: Interesting analysis, but I'm a natural skeptic about matters political.  I honestly believe Obama's a highly intelligent guy whose got an agenda.  What exactly it is, I don't know.  My best guess would be money and/or influence.  But he can't possibly think he has a snowball's chance in hell getting nominated, much less elected.I am skeptical also.Barack Obama has always caught me as a dude who's motivation is about influence & ego.  But then again, find me a politician who doesn't have those motivations.  I will say that in my short life I have seen many politicians and none have had the personal charisma of Obama.  Eventually this guy will be president in my opinion, it's just a question of when, not of if. I'm an old fart.  I've got a son in college.  I was born a week after JFK ate a bullet.  I've seen plenty of politicians.  In my lifetime, from what I know first-hand, ain't nobody been better than that letch, Bill Clinton, when it comes to pure politics.  Dude is gifted.  As far as the Great Politicians, I would have to say Jimmy Carter and Ronald Regan...the former for his honesty, the latter for his ability to kick ass without kicking ass.

LilLibra

02-25-2007, 10:25 AM

My mind isn't completely made up yet but I'm leaning toward Obama because he's a fresh face and could hopefully come to the table with some new ideas and a better approach to things than we've seen.Yes, I'm a Black woman but his race has nothing to do with my vote. To base your vote on what racial identity he or the media places on him only provides evidence of your ignorance. The article posted, while it may or may not express the opinions of many Black people, it sure as hell doesn't do a damn thing to sway my vote. Remember, the media always has it's own agenda. 

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busybeeman

02-26-2007, 05:51 AM

LilLibra wrote: My mind isn't completely made up yet but I'm leaning toward Obama because he's a fresh face and could hopefully come to the table with some new ideas and a better approach to things than we've seen.Yes, I'm a Black woman but his race has nothing to do with my vote. To base your vote on what racial identity he or the media places on him only provides evidence of your ignorance. The article posted, while it may or may not express the opinions of many Black people, it sure as hell doesn't do a damn thing to sway my vote. Remember, the media always has it's own agenda. This message was edited by LilLibra on 2-25-07 @ 2:33 PM If the Demoplicans want to beat the Republicrats, they're gonna have to field a "regular 'White' guy"...like John Edwards...or...(after last night)...*gasp!*...Al Gore.

foodcourtdruide

02-26-2007, 06:07 AM

epo wrote: busybeeman wrote: Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.I would argue not.  Hilliary is the front runner and right now Obama is realistically the "other" big candidate.  He has to be smart enough to realize he is not going to be a VEEP under Hilliary as the Dems are not going to package two "minorities" on the same ticket.  (Plus Hilliary is already apparently pulling dirty tricks on him as the Geffen story was reportedly a Clinton planted story, as was the Muslim-school story.)  That being said he could take a VEEP under Gore or Edwards, as he could actually strengthen those tickets.  Especially if Gore ran and got the nomination.  Worse case scenario, Obama runs a very positive campaign and builds a brand/gets his name out there to the rubes.  Then he could position well as a front-runner in 2012 or 2016.  This message was edited by epo on 2-23-07 @ 4:13 PM What I highlighted was a pretty bold statement? Do you have any sources to back this up? I haven't heard this at all.

LilLibra

02-26-2007, 06:13 AM

busybeeman wrote: If the Demoplicans want to beat the Republicrats, they're gonna have to field a "regular 'White' guy"...like John Edwards...or...(after last night)...*gasp!*...Al Gore.Gore's too much of a tree hugger for either party. Some people would be concerned that he would pay more attention to melting polar ice caps than the Iraq war.

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 06:17 AM

Some say he won it last time.

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 06:54 AM

LilLibra wrote: busybeeman wrote: If the Demoplicans want to beat the Republicrats, they're gonna have to field a "regular 'White' guy"...like John Edwards...or...(after last night)...*gasp!*...Al Gore.Gore's too much of a tree hugger for either party. Some people would be concerned that he would pay more attention to melting polar ice caps than the Iraq war. He didn't do shit for the environment as VP so why would anyone believe he'll be overly concearned about it as pres? And before the documentary comes up as a reason he did already have a book about it prior to his stint as VP.You could also have said that Bush would probably be more concearned with Christian right issues like gay marriage than handling national security and... well, OK, you'd be right about that one.

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 08:18 AM

If I were a Democrat, I'd be trying to get Edwards the nod...(thinking in WINNING mode, that is)<img src="http://www.campaignsource.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/2008EdwardsBtn.jpg" border="0" width="240" height="240" />

Dan 'Hampton

02-26-2007, 08:54 AM

^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 08:59 AM

dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL Yeah.  That same guy.  Mistakes lead to wisdom.

LilLibra

02-26-2007, 09:09 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: LilLibra wrote: busybeeman wrote: If the Demoplicans want to beat the Republicrats, they're gonna have to field a "regular 'White' guy"...like John Edwards...or...(after last night)...*gasp!*...Al Gore.Gore's too much of a tree hugger for either party. Some people would be concerned that he would pay more attention to melting polar ice caps than the Iraq war. He didn't do shit for the environment as VP so why would anyone believe he'll be overly concearned about it as pres? And before the documentary comes up as a reason he did already have a book about it prior to his stint as VP.You could also have said that Bush would probably be more concearned with Christian right issues like gay marriage than handling national security and... well, OK, you'd be right about that one.True (on both accounts) but before presidency, he has to be a candidate. That's all the media would talk about. Somehow they'd find a way to make his environmental stance a negative thing. Maybe he didn't do as much for them as VP but as politics go, maybe he was advised against it or told to keep it minimal. It's not a very popular topic in politics. It's also possible for issues to become more important to a person as time goes on.

Dan 'Hampton

02-26-2007, 09:25 AM

busybeeman wrote: dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL Yeah. That same guy. Mistakes lead to wisdom.  he seems like he has even less experiance than Hill or Obama.  The Dems need someone with widespread apeal to team with Obama.

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 09:30 AM

dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL A thousand more votes in Florida and he'd have been VP and "his state" wouldn't matter now would it? So what exactly is the point of saying a guy didn't win "his state"?

furie

02-26-2007, 09:36 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">busybeeman wrote: [DISCLAIMER: This ain't no racist thread...thank you]Vote for Obama? Hell no! I'm Black. He's an African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here. What does he have in common with me? Skin color only. F Obama. Forget Obama.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

so are his, so you have more in common then you think.

i won't vote for the man because he's done nothing to deserve the presidency. he was in office 2 weeks before he announced he was running. he should serve some time in congress first. Jesus, at least Hilliary did a full term before running!

This message was edited by furie on 2-26-07 @ 1:36 PM

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 09:40 AM

furie wrote: busybeeman wrote: [DISCLAIMER: This ain't no racist thread...thank you]Vote for Obama? Hell no! I'm Black. He's an African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here. What does he have in common with me? Skin color only. F Obama. Forget Obama. so are his, so you have more in common then you think. i won't vote for the man because he's done nothing to deserve the presidency. he was in office 2 weeks before he announced he was running. he should serve some time in congress first. Jesus, at least Hilliary did a full term before running! This message was edited by furie on 2-26-07 @ 1:36 PM No dude, I can't let you slide with that.  Obama's daddy's folk sold my folk to the "White" man here in America.  I ain't no "African American."  Now, if you want to call me an "African European Native American" then go right ahead.  Be correct.  I have ancestry from three continents and my people, unlike recent African immigrants, know how tough it can be in America.  We've known this for centuries.  What Obama needs to do is run for president in his daddy's country.  The same folk that sold my ancestors.

Dan 'Hampton

02-26-2007, 09:45 AM

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:19 AM

LilLibra wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: LilLibra wrote: busybeeman wrote: If the Demoplicans want to beat the Republicrats, they're gonna have to field a "regular 'White' guy"...like John Edwards...or...(after last night)...*gasp!*...Al Gore.Gore's too much of a tree hugger for either party. Some people would be concerned that he would pay more attention to melting polar ice caps than the Iraq war. He didn't do shit for the environment as VP so why would anyone believe he'll be overly concearned about it as pres? And before the documentary comes up as a reason he did already have a book about it prior to his stint as VP.You could also have said that Bush would probably be more concearned with Christian right issues like gay marriage than handling national security and... well, OK, you'd be right about that one.True (on both accounts) but before presidency, he has to be a candidate. That's all the media would talk about. Somehow they'd find a way to make his environmental stance a negative thing. Maybe he didn't do as much for them as VP but as politics go, maybe he was advised against it or told to keep it minimal. It's not a very popular topic in politics. It's also possible for issues to become more important to a person as time goes on. Gore's job as a politician is to get his message out. If the media is making a negative issue of your platform or your statements or whatever, then your job is to change the media's message through changing your own message. Kerry got fucking punished for not getting out ahead of the Swift Boat campaign because he thought (he said) that to address them would give them legitimacy. They spent $500k seed money to air their commericals in four small states and within a couple weeks 70-something percent of Americans had seen the commercials (because Fox was airing them nationally around the clock and the other networks were following behind) and 60-something percent said they had an impact on how they would vote. Kerry's theory of how to handle this was wrong and stupid. He made bad strategic decisions and he lost. His fault.Gore did the same thing in 2000. He lost to a retarded chimp with no resume because he didn't understand the media and his base and he didn't (like Kerry) have the balls to call Fox "News" what it was - a profit-driven republican/conservative propaganda institution posing as a news organization. They both ceded legitimacy of this disadvantage - like the Swift Boaters - and got hurt by it. Republicans are shameless about these advantages - having teams of professional liars rallying voters for their politicians - and they win. The Democrats' job is to figure out how to defeat these tactics or remain the opposition party. Basically I have no sympathy for a national-level democrat like Gore or Kerry who can't beat a guy like Bush - twice. And, going into 2008, any democrat who hasn't learned to defeat the republican tactics when the republicans have given us eight years of someone commonly excepted to be "one of the worst presidents ever" then they're just fucking losers.Gore either makes his environmental policies an advantage or he deserves to lose.Did I get too far off your point? Yeah. Let's put it this way: oil company executives are aknowledging global warming and one of them (I think the CEO of Unocal) absolutely trashed Bush for rejecting Kyoto a few months back because he said the world would move to create a sytem for dealing with greenhouse gasses without us and we won't even be part of the decision-making process to develop that system. I've never heard a democrat mention that or even make a good case for Kyoto. I'm sure th

foodcourtdruide

02-26-2007, 10:23 AM

dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL Yes, for some reason when he ran America deemed trial lawyers as bad people and didn't like him.

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:24 AM

dschef wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL A thousand more votes in Florida and he'd have been VP and "his state" wouldn't matter now would it? So what exactly is the point of saying a guy didn't win "his state"? The point is where is his base? People looking for a safe white guy instead of a woman or a black?His base is whoever he convinces to support him from amongst the national electorate - not home state. If you're running for governor or senator then winning your state matters. For president it means dick. Throwing it out there like he sucks for losing his own state is just an irrational way to insult the guy. It's not a meaninful argument.

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:32 AM

busybeeman wrote: furie wrote: busybeeman wrote: [DISCLAIMER: This ain't no racist thread...thank you]Vote for Obama? Hell no! I'm Black. He's an African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here. What does he have in common with me? Skin color only. F Obama. Forget Obama. so are his, so you have more in common then you think. i won't vote for the man because he's done nothing to deserve the presidency. he was in office 2 weeks before he announced he was running. he should serve some time in congress first. Jesus, at least Hilliary did a full term before running! This message was edited by furie on 2-26-07 @ 1:36 PM No dude, I can't let you slide with that.  Obama's daddy's folk sold my folk to the "White" man here in America.  I ain't no "African American."  Now, if you want to call me an "African European Native American" then go right ahead.  Be correct.  I have ancestry from three continents and my people, unlike recent African immigrants, know how tough it can be in America.  We've known this for centuries.  What Obama needs to do is run for president in his daddy's country.  The same folk that sold my ancestors.I don't even know what you're trying to say except that his race, and maybe the terms he uses to refer to it, is the only criteria you're using to judge the guy for political office. You're talking in riddles to try to hide the fact that this is your argument. But nobody's buying it.

Dan 'Hampton

02-26-2007, 10:32 AM

I'm sayin what are his pros on a national level?  Not black or a woman?  He's the second coming of Dan Quale.

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:39 AM

dschef wrote: I'm sayin what are his pros on a national level?  He's the second coming of Dan Quale. I can respect these points.Not black or a woman?  This is as meaningless as the home state thing. If he brings up race and gender in his  campaign then it's a meaningful point. In fact Obama and Hillary aren't bringing up their race and genders, it's the trivializing and irresponsible members of the media and public that are dwelling on it. The candidates aren't and you don't have to.

foodcourtdruide

02-26-2007, 10:59 AM

IamFogHat wrote: busybeeman wrote: [DISCLAIMER: This ain't no racist thread...thank you]Vote for Obama? Hell no! I'm Black. He's an African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here. What does he have in common with me? Skin color only. F Obama. Forget Obama. You should really be more concerned about what he stands for, not what you two have in common.  He's a candidate, not your soulmate. This made me laugh out loud, thank you!

badmonkey

02-26-2007, 11:12 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL A thousand more votes in Florida and he'd have been VP and "his state" wouldn't matter now would it? So what exactly is the point of saying a guy didn't win "his state"? My understanding is that the "home state" argument works like this. North Carolina elected him to represent them. They were unhappy enough with the job he did representing their state that they didn't want him to represent them as Vice President and they probably wouldn't have re-elected him to the US Senate either. If he was just from North Carolina, I would agree that it didn't matter if he won his home state as the home state wouldn't necessarily know any more about him than anybody else and the "vote for the hometown boy" wouldn't be much of a help. I think the fact that he served his state politically for 6 yrs and didn't win his state says volumes. It is also interesting to note that his senate seat is now filled by a Republican named Richard Burr that previously served North Carolina in the US House of Representatives. That seems to support the argument that if North Carolina had been satisfied with his performance he'd very likely have won that state.  Badmonkey 

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Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 11:56 AM

badmonkey wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL A thousand more votes in Florida and he'd have been VP and "his state" wouldn't matter now would it? So what exactly is the point of saying a guy didn't win "his state"?My understanding is that the "home state" argument works like this. North Carolina elected him to represent them. They were unhappy enough with the job he did representing their state that they didn't want him to represent them as Vice President and they probably wouldn't have re-elected him to the US Senate either. If he was just from North Carolina, I would agree that it didn't matter if he won his home state as the home state wouldn't necessarily know any more about him than anybody else and the "vote for the hometown boy" wouldn't be much of a help. I think the fact that he served his state politically for 6 yrs and didn't win his state says volumes. It is also interesting to note that his senate seat is now filled by a Republican named Richard Burr that previously served North Carolina in the US House of Representatives. That seems to support the argument that if North Carolina had been satisfied with his performance he'd very likely have won that state.  Badmonkey This message was edited by badmonkey on 2-26-07 @ 3:12 PM North Carolina is one of the most republican states in the country. The state had voted republican for president for almost <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2004%2C_in_ North_Carolina" target="_blank">30 years</a>. The fact that he got elected to the Senate as a democrat is impressive. To talk about it like the party affiliation of the electorate doesn't factor in seems disingenious. If Bush had done a sack dance on TV for winning Texas as a republican candidate would you think he was over-reacting? If Bush lost Texas would it mean the same thing as Kerry/Edwards losing NC?You say they were "unhappy with his performance" and "probably wouldn't have re-elected him". He retired from the Senate when he ran for pres. So what are you basing that on? Also, he was VP candidate, not president. Not the same thing. We pretty much expect that a VP is going to be mowing the lawn for four years, (until Cheney took over the Death Star of course).Out of context the "principle" of carrying your home state can sound like a big thing - especially when it's the other guy who lost his state. But in terms of a meaningful criterion for guaging a political performance it's right down there with "boxers or briefs". Or as will be asked of Hillary "spit or swallow".

badmonkey

02-26-2007, 12:39 PM

Yerdaddy wrote: badmonkey wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL A thousand more votes in Florida and he'd have been VP and "his state" wouldn't matter now would it? So what exactly is the point of saying a guy didn't win "his state"?My understanding is that the "home state" argument works like this. North Carolina elected him to represent them. They were unhappy enough with the job he did representing their state that they didn't want him to represent them as Vice President and they probably wouldn't have re-elected him to the US Senate either. If he was just from North Carolina, I would agree that it didn't matter if he won his home state as the home state wouldn't necessarily know any more about him than anybody else and the "vote for the hometown boy" wouldn't be much of a help. I think the fact that he served his state politically for 6 yrs and didn't win his state says volumes. It is also interesting to note that his senate seat is now filled by a Republican named Richard Burr that previously served North Carolina in the US House of Representatives. That seems to support the argument that if North Carolina had been satisfied with his performance he'd very likely have won that state.  Badmonkey This message was edited by badmonkey on 2-26-07 @ 3:12 PM North Carolina is one of the most republican states in the country. The state had voted republican for president for almost <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2004%2C_in_ North_Carolina" target="_blank">30 years</a>. The fact that he got elected to the Senate as a democrat is impressive. To talk about it like the party affiliation of the electorate doesn't factor in seems disingenious. If Bush had done a sack dance on TV for winning Texas as a republican candidate would you think he was over-reacting? If Bush lost Texas would it mean the same thing as Kerry/Edwards losing NC?You say they were "unhappy with his performance" and "probably wouldn't have re-elected him". He retired from the Senate when he ran for pres. So what are you basing that on? Also, he was VP candidate, not president. Not the same thing. We pretty much expect that a VP is going to be mowing the lawn for four years, (until Cheney took over the Death Star of course).Out of context the "principle" of carrying your home state can sound like a big thing - especially when it's the other guy who lost his state. But in terms of a meaningful criterion for guaging a political performance it's right down there with "boxers or briefs". Or as will be asked of Hillary "spit or swallow". I don't live in NC and don't know/care much about NC politics.  I was just trying to explain the "home state" argument the way I understood it.  Yes, Edwards retired from the senate to run for president.  If he hadn't, would NC have put him back in office?  I have no idea, but I would assume not based on the Republican winning the election for his seat.  The interesting point about the republican candidate was not that he was a republican, it was that he had been serving in the house and apparently NC was happy enough with his performance that they sent him to the senate.  Party affiliation doesn't always mean you vote with your party regardless.  My dad is a hardcore republican and has twice voted in TN for the democrat governor because he is plea

patrick187

02-26-2007, 12:46 PM

I'm votin for Obama. Just to see the president of the U. S. doing bench presses on the front porch of the white house is reason enough. It's gonna be great. Huge family BBQs in the Rose Garden. Pit-bulls runnin all over the place.

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 01:50 PM

patrick187 wrote: I'm votin for Obama. Just to see the president of the U. S. doing bench presses on the front porch of the white house is reason enough. It's gonna be great. Huge family BBQs in the Rose Garden. Pit-bulls runnin all over the place. That would be funny if Obama was a Black American.  Ain't nobody from his family came over on a slave ship.  His family SOLD their cousins to the slave ship captains.  Obama's a fake.

FezsAssistant

02-26-2007, 01:57 PM

I'll vote for him if it keeps Hilary out.  I have no idea what he stands for yet.

epo

02-26-2007, 02:50 PM

foodcourtdruide wrote: epo wrote: busybeeman wrote: Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.I would argue not.  Hilliary is the front runner and right now Obama is realistically the "other" big candidate.  He has to be smart enough to realize he is not going to be a VEEP under Hilliary as the Dems are not going to package two "minorities" on the same ticket.  (Plus Hilliary is already apparently pulling dirty tricks on him as the Geffen story was reportedly a Clinton planted story, as was the Muslim-school story.)  That being said he could take a VEEP under Gore or Edwards, as he could actually strengthen those tickets.  Especially if Gore ran and got the nomination.  Worse case scenario, Obama runs a very positive campaign and builds a brand/gets his name out there to the rubes.  Then he could position well as a front-runner in 2012 or 2016.  This message was edited by epo on 2-23-07 @ 4:13 PM What I highlighted was a pretty bold statement? Do you have any sources to back this up? I haven't heard this at all. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/team-hillary-shoots-back-_b_41763.html">Geffen story.</a><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200701200003">Muslim school story.</a>Both reportedly.  I'm certain the Muslim story is bullshit, but it only leads to growing tensions between the two camps.

furie

02-26-2007, 03:24 PM

busybeeman wrote: furie wrote: busybeeman wrote: [DISCLAIMER: This ain't no racist thread...thank you]Vote for Obama? Hell no! I'm Black. He's an African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, Europe, and here. What does he have in common with me? Skin color only. F Obama. Forget Obama. so are his, so you have more in common then you think. i won't vote for the man because he's done nothing to deserve the presidency. he was in office 2 weeks before he announced he was running. he should serve some time in congress first. Jesus, at least Hilliary did a full term before running! This message was edited by furie on 2-26-07 @ 1:36 PM No dude, I can't let you slide with that. Obama's daddy's folk sold my folk to the "White" man here in America. I ain't no "African American." Now, if you want to call me an "African European Native American" then go right ahead. Be correct. I have ancestry from three continents and my people, unlike recent African immigrants, know how tough it can be in America. We've known this for centuries. What Obama needs to do is run for president in his daddy's country. The same folk that sold my ancestors.

the point is his ancestors are from africa and europe, just as you have so you do have something in common where you said there was none.

not many kenyans were involved in the slave trade since most of it took place on the west coast, so your accusation on his family is quite thin.

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 03:35 PM

epo wrote: foodcourtdruide wrote: epo wrote: busybeeman wrote: Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.I would argue not.  Hilliary is the front runner and right now Obama is realistically the "other" big candidate.  He has to be smart enough to realize he is not going to be a VEEP under Hilliary as the Dems are not going to package two "minorities" on the same ticket.  (Plus Hilliary is already apparently pulling dirty tricks on him as the Geffen story was reportedly a Clinton planted story, as was the Muslim-school story.)  That being said he could take a VEEP under Gore or Edwards, as he could actually strengthen those tickets.  Especially if Gore ran and got the nomination.  Worse case scenario, Obama runs a very positive campaign and builds a brand/gets his name out there to the rubes.  Then he could position well as a front-runner in 2012 or 2016.  This message was edited by epo on 2-23-07 @ 4:13 PM What I highlighted was a pretty bold statement? Do you have any sources to back this up? I haven't heard this at all. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/team-hillary-shoots-back-_b_41763.html">Geffen story.</a><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200701200003">Muslim school story.</a>Both reportedly.  I'm certain the Muslim story is bullshit, but it only leads to growing tensions between the two camps.I like your analysis but...as I've said before...I'm an old salt.  I've been around the block a few times.  I would support a serious charismatic candidate...that is, a serious "Black" candidate.  As you know by now, Obama's an imposter in my book.  I respect his accomplishments.  He should go to his Daddy's country and be president there.  Don't take me too seriously, though.  I don't.  I love a good joke and a good joke collection:<a href="http://www.lulu.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=585">http://www.lulu.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=585</a>Who do I really like for Prez?  Somebody really filthy rich.  Somebody who can't be bought.

furie

02-26-2007, 04:00 PM

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why, he was born here. by that rationale, I should go to Ireland and be the Taoiseach? that's madness.

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busybeeman

02-26-2007, 04:04 PM

furie wrote: He should go to his Daddy's country and be president there. why, he was born here. by that rationale, I should go to Ireland and be the Taoiseach? that's madness. This message was edited by furie on 2-26-07 @ 8:00 PM His daddy's still alive.  I'll buy his fake ass a ticket and send him there myself.

busybeeman

02-26-2007, 04:07 PM

<dt>You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. </dt><dd class="author"><a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Abraham_Lincoln/">Abraham Lincoln</a>, (attributed) 16th president of US (1809 - 1865)</dd>

furie

02-26-2007, 04:33 PM

busybeeman wrote: furie wrote: He should go to his Daddy's country and be president there. why, he was born here. by that rationale, I should go to Ireland and be the Taoiseach? that's madness. This message was edited by furie on 2-26-07 @ 8:00 PM His daddy's still alive. I'll buy his fake ass a ticket and send him there myself.

so's mine. so i ask again, should i go back to Ireland and run for Taoiseach (irish for prime minster) because my parents come from ireland? I was born here, i'm american, so's obama. you point is crazy and insulting.

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:26 PM

badmonkey wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: badmonkey wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: [quote]dschef wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^You mean the same guy who ran for president last time because he had no chance of winning his own state (SC?) and couldn't even carry it for the ticket. HATE THEM ALL A thousand more votes in Florida and he'd have been VP and "his state" wouldn't matter now would it? So what exactly is the point of saying a guy didn't win "his state"?My understanding is that the "home state" argument works like this. North Carolina elected him to represent them. They were unhappy enough with the job he did representing their state that they didn't want him to represent them as Vice President and they probably wouldn't have re-elected him to the US Senate either. If he was just from North Carolina, I would agree that it didn't matter if he won his home state as the home state wouldn't necessarily know any more about him than anybody else and the "vote for the hometown boy" wouldn't be much of a help. I think the fact that he served his state politically for 6 yrs and didn't win his state says volumes. It is also interesting to note that his senate seat is now filled by a Republican named Richard Burr that previously served North Carolina in the US House of Representatives. That seems to support the argument that if North Carolina had been satisfied with his performance he'd very likely have won that state.  Badmonkey This message was edited by badmonkey on 2-26-07 @ 3:12 PM North Carolina is one of the most republican states in the country. The state had voted republican for president for almost <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2004%2C_in_ North_Carolina" target="_blank">30 years</a>. The fact that he got elected to the Senate as a democrat is impressive. To talk about it like the party affiliation of the electorate doesn't factor in seems disingenious. If Bush had done a sack dance on TV for winning Texas as a republican candidate would you think he was over-reacting? If Bush lost Texas would it mean the same thing as Kerry/Edwards losing NC?You say they were "unhappy with his performance" and "probably wouldn't have re-elected him". He retired from the Senate when he ran for pres. So what are you basing that on? Also, he was VP candidate, not president. Not the same thing. We pretty much expect that a VP is going to be mowing the lawn for four years, (until Cheney took over the Death Star of course).Out of context the "principle" of carrying your home state can sound like a big thing - especially when it's the other guy who lost his state. But in terms of a meaningful criterion for guaging a political performance it's right down there with "boxers or briefs". Or as will be asked of Hillary "spit or swallow". I don't live in NC and don't know/care much about NC politics.  I was just trying to explain the "home state" argument the way I understood it.  Yes, Edwards retired from the senate to run for president.  If he hadn't, would NC have put him back in office?  I have no idea, but I would assume not based on the Republican winning the election for his seat.  The interesting point about the republican candidate was not that he was a republican, it was that he had been serving in the house and apparently NC was happy enough with his performance that they sent him to the senate.  Party affiliation doesn't always mean you vote with your party regardless.  My dad is a hardcore republican and has twice

legroommusic

02-26-2007, 10:47 PM

busybeeman wrote: I sincerely do respect your opinion.  But Obama is a faker. faker? is that what you call sell out n!&&ers?

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:53 PM

epo wrote: foodcourtdruide wrote: epo wrote: busybeeman wrote: Another one drops out of the race.  Looking for the VP spot, no doubt.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223/ap_on_el_pr/vilsack2008</a>Barack must be positioning himself for a VEEP bid.  He ain't getting the nomination.  He's smart enought to realize that much.I would argue not.  Hilliary is the front runner and right now Obama is realistically the "other" big candidate.  He has to be smart enough to realize he is not going to be a VEEP under Hilliary as the Dems are not going to package two "minorities" on the same ticket.  (Plus Hilliary is already apparently pulling dirty tricks on him as the Geffen story was reportedly a Clinton planted story, as was the Muslim-school story.)  That being said he could take a VEEP under Gore or Edwards, as he could actually strengthen those tickets.  Especially if Gore ran and got the nomination.  Worse case scenario, Obama runs a very positive campaign and builds a brand/gets his name out there to the rubes.  Then he could position well as a front-runner in 2012 or 2016.  This message was edited by epo on 2-23-07 @ 4:13 PM What I highlighted was a pretty bold statement? Do you have any sources to back this up? I haven't heard this at all. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/team-hillary-shoots-back-_b_41763.html">Geffen story.</a><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200701200003">Muslim school story.</a>Both reportedly.  I'm certain the Muslim story is bullshit, but it only leads to growing tensions between the two camps.Both ridiculous. What is the point of the "Geffen story" in the first place? Rich producer who backed Hillary in the past but who backs new guy now says mean things about Hillary campaign. Hillary campaign says mean things back. Where is Hillary's "dirty tricks", which these stories were supposed to be evidence of?And "the Muslim-school story"? Right-wing media figures claim Clinton behind Obama/Muslim smears Summary: Melanie Morgan, Lee Rodgers, Rush Limbaugh, and John Gibson all forwarded the accusation made by a website controlled by Rev. Sun Myung Moon that Sen. Hillary Clinton was responsible for spreading information linking Sen. Barack Obama to a madrassa, or Muslim school. None of the four cited any evidence, other than the article, that Clinton was responsible for promoting the madrassa story, and the article cited no one by name. Yeah, the Muslim school story is bullshit. So... no evidence of "dirty tricks" afterall.These are non-stories. We're at war and this is how we discuss the candidates for the most powerful person in the world competition? We suck at this! Maybe we should let Canadians choose our president for us?

Yerdaddy

02-26-2007, 10:56 PM

busybeeman wrote: patrick187 wrote: I'm votin for Obama. Just to see the president of the U. S. doing bench presses on the front porch of the white house is reason enough. It's gonna be great. Huge family BBQs in the Rose Garden. Pit-bulls runnin all over the place. That would be funny if Obama was a Black American.  Ain't nobody from his family came over on a slave ship.  His family SOLD their cousins to the slave ship captains.  Obama's a fake.Why are you postin all jive an shit? It's not adding and credibility to your racist politics. When is AJ going to come in here and point and say "I told you so"?

satan-2

02-26-2007, 11:23 PM

i agree hell no. first of all his middle name bothers me.second he's muslim and right now they are not on my good list. has anyone noticed that he has not denounced muslim extremists.just a thought as to why i would not vote for him.

Yerdaddy

02-27-2007, 12:06 AM

I've never heard you denounce Muslim extremism either. I don't trust you.

satan-2

02-27-2007, 12:30 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: I've never heard you denounce Muslim extremism either. I don't trust you. can you hear me now:"i am formally announcing that i denounce muslim extremists!!! thank you <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" />"  do you trust me now?? <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/devil2.gif" border="0" />

Yerdaddy

02-27-2007, 01:49 AM

See that? I sought an answer and I got one. You could have done the same with Obama if you gave a fuck about honestly evaluating a possible future president of the United States.For example you say he's Muslim. He's actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama#Family_and_religious_life" target="_blank">Christian</a>. He's never been a Muslim. So you'll have to explain why he should have to denounce Muslim extremists. I lived in the Middle East for the last two years and I never had to renounce Christian extremism to pass anyone's loyalty test. Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us? His middle name? It's not Muslim it's Arabic. Just like "madrassa" means "school" in Arabic. I studied Arabic at a madrassa in Yemen and I hate Islam. And why is it reasonable that anyone should be judged by their middle name and not by their actions? I don't even have one. Does that mean I don't exist? I think you're just being a petty ideologue who puts your own political and religious idiology above the country. So, no. I don't trust you.

Yerdaddy

02-27-2007, 02:28 AM

Let's take a closer look at this ebarassing Muslim school "controversy" shall we?<a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/29/america/web.0129rumour.php" target="_blank">Feeding frenzy for a big story, even if it's false</a><div class="byline"><div class="dots"><img src="http://img.iht.com/images/dot_h.gif" border="0" width="3" height="1" /></div><div id="pubDate" style="float: right">Published: January 29, 2007</div></div>WASHINGTON: Jeffrey T. Kuhner, whose Web site published the first anonymous smear of the 2008 presidential race, is hardly the only editor who will not reveal his reporters' sources. What sets him apart is that he will not even disclose the names of his reporters.But their anonymity has not stopped them from making an impact. In the last two weeks, Kuhner's Web site, Insight, the last remnant of a defunct conservative print magazine owned by the Unification Church led by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, was able to set off a wave of television commentary, talk-radio chatter, official denials, investigations by journalists around the globe and news media self-analysis that has lasted 11 days and counting.The controversy started with a quickly discredited Jan. 17 article on the Insight Web site asserting that the presidential campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was preparing an accusation that her rival, Senator Barack Obama, had covered up a brief period he had spent in an Islamic religious school in Indonesia when he was 6.(Other news organizations have confirmed Obama's descriptions of the school as a secular public school. Both senators have denounced the report, and there is no evidence that Clinton's campaign planned to spread those accusations.)A freak conservative magazine owned by a freak Christian cult spread a rumor than Clinton started a rumor that Obama attended a Muslim religious school as a child, implying that he's hidden this from the public to this point. The source of this lie (really a smear of both campaigns) will provide no evidence that it's true. It's obviously not. It's obviously an extreme right-wing slander meant to effect the elections in favor of the republican party by pandering to the religious prejudices of ignorant and biggoted Americans. Question: are any conservatives OK with this story? Anyone want to denounce this kind of politics? Stay quiet and maintain plausible deniability? Care if it helps your party's chances in 18? Just curious.The reason I'm curious is that it's working. This kind of right-wing smear tactics is effective in mainstream politics because you've got your own mainstream outlets for this bullshit that have helped shape the ascendance of the republican party for the last decade or so. The Swift Boaters turned out to be complete liars and even when McCain denounced them and called on Bush to do the same - for the reputation of all Vietnam veterans - Bush refused to do so. He decided instead to reap the political rewards. I never heard a conservative denounce them either. So  now I'm curious what kind of an election we're going to have this time around; if conservatives are going to be more responsible about what kinds of tactics they'll accept in gaining political power and acceptant of what kinds of leaders that kind of politics gets us, or if they're truly through with the likes of Bush and ready to demand a more responsible kind of politics and the candidates that that produces? [quote]And in an interview, John Moody, a senior vice president at Fox News, said its commentators had erred by citing the Clinton-Obama report. "The hosts violated one of our general rules, which is know what you are talking about," Moody said. "They reported information from a publication whose accuracy we didn't know."Kuhner's ability to ignite a news media brush fire nonetheless ill

satan-2

02-27-2007, 03:12 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: See that? I sought an answer and I got one. You could have done the same with Obama if you gave a fuck about honestly evaluating a possible future president of the United States.For example you say he's Muslim. He's actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama#Family_and_religious_life" target="_blank">Christian</a>. He's never been a Muslim. So you'll have to explain why he should have to denounce Muslim extremists. I lived in the Middle East for the last two years and I never had to renounce Christian extremism to pass anyone's loyalty test. Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us? His middle name? It's not Muslim it's Arabic. Just like "madrassa" means "school" in Arabic. I studied Arabic at a madrassa in Yemen and I hate Islam. And why is it reasonable that anyone should be judged by their middle name and not by their actions? I don't even have one. Does that mean I don't exist? I think you're just being a petty ideologue who puts your own political and religious idiology above the country. So, no. I don't trust you. i admit i was wrong about obama not being a muslim which means he does not have to denounce muslim extremists. do you expect me to "evaluat(e) a possible future" with every possible presidential candiate. are you nuts?? do you live in a dream world or something. oh that's right you are not even in the US. do you do that with where ever you are at. oh that's right most arabic countries have Kings and dictators. no one is elected. since i don't know where you are at i'm saying MOST ARABIC COUNTRIES. btw i said denounce and not renounce and honestly who cares about where u live and what you studied. it's irrelevent with the topic on hand. this also includes your hate of islam. but it does pose a question, why are you there?? but i don't care it's irrelevent anyway. and where did you ASSUME this question, "Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us?" as for names let me ask you this would you name your son adolf hitler?? or benito mussolini?? or ted bundy?? why not it's just a name. but bottom dollar says you never will even though you preach actions is what someone should be judged by. btw i never said his middle name is muslim. you ASSUMED.do you think i give a damn about your middle name?? or lack thereof?? why are you bringing that up?? and lastly i am not religious at all but politically i have become more involved and honestly i think the US should bomb the shit out of Iran and Iraq. i can guarantee that all insurgency will end immediately after those two countries are sent back to the stone age. my best example is japan during WWII. 2 bombs and the war ended. but unfortunately we live in a time of bullshit political correctness.finally do you think i give a damn if you trust me or not. believe me i won't lose any sleep. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" />

satan-2

02-27-2007, 03:26 AM

Yerdaddy wrote:One more example of how Fox "News" and many other thriving right-wing publications posing as news are fundamentally not news at all but ideological propaganda. The embarassing part is how many people swallow this shit and spout crap like "Obama's a Muslim so he can't be trusted". (I'm focussing on this because, like I predicted in an earlier thread, I expect the Obama/Islam smear campaign to persist until he drops out or loses the election.) Maybe even more disturbing is how the mainstream right sits passively enjoying the benefits of having this propaganda industry influence the mainstream media and political debate to their advantage.----------------------------------------------------------- Fucking liberal media is destroying America. dude you make no sense. you criticize FOX news for being right wing but then you turn around and write "Fucking liberal (left wing) media is destroying America." wtf are you saying?? 

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PapaBear

02-27-2007, 03:43 AM

This message was edited by PapaBear on 2-27-07 @ 7:48 AM

PapaBear

02-27-2007, 03:51 AM

satan-2 wrote:  Yerdaddy wrote:One more example of how Fox "News" and many other thriving right-wing publications posing as news are fundamentally not news at all but ideological propaganda. The embarassing part is how many people swallow this shit and spout crap like "Obama's a Muslim so he can't be trusted". (I'm focussing on this because, like I predicted in an earlier thread, I expect the Obama/Islam smear campaign to persist until he drops out or loses the election.) Maybe even more disturbing is how the mainstream right sits passively enjoying the benefits of having this propaganda industry influence the mainstream media and political debate to their advantage.----------------------------------------------------------- Fucking liberal media is destroying America.  dude you make no sense.you criticize FOX news for being right wing but then you turn around and write "Fucking liberal (left wing) media is destroying America." wtf are you saying?? This message was edited by satan-2 on 2-27-07 @ 7:30 AM I think you are talking about Yerdaddy's thread titled "<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/57035/page/The_liberal_media_hates_our_soldiers_.htm">The liberal media hates our sodiers</a>!".If that's the case, you didn't read the first sentense in his post. He was being sarcastic.

busybeeman

02-27-2007, 05:55 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: busybeeman wrote: patrick187 wrote: I'm votin for Obama. Just to see the president of the U. S. doing bench presses on the front porch of the white house is reason enough. It's gonna be great. Huge family BBQs in the Rose Garden. Pit-bulls runnin all over the place. That would be funny if Obama was a Black American.  Ain't nobody from his family came over on a slave ship.  His family SOLD their cousins to the slave ship captains.  Obama's a fake.Why are you postin all jive an shit? It's not adding and credibility to your racist politics. When is AJ going to come in here and point and say "I told you so"?I ain't gonna stoop to no ad hominem, 'cause I sincerely doubt you even know about pig latin.  What I will do is give you a pass for being ig'nant.  Now, wipe your snotty nose and run away for you gets hoit.

Yerdaddy

02-27-2007, 08:44 AM

satan-2 wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: See that? I sought an answer and I got one. You could have done the same with Obama if you gave a fuck about honestly evaluating a possible future president of the United States.For example you say he's Muslim. He's actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama#Family_and_religious_life" target="_blank">Christian</a>. He's never been a Muslim. So you'll have to explain why he should have to denounce Muslim extremists. I lived in the Middle East for the last two years and I never had to renounce Christian extremism to pass anyone's loyalty test. Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us? His middle name? It's not Muslim it's Arabic. Just like "madrassa" means "school" in Arabic. I studied Arabic at a madrassa in Yemen and I hate Islam. And why is it reasonable that anyone should be judged by their middle name and not by their actions? I don't even have one. Does that mean I don't exist? I think you're just being a petty ideologue who puts your own political and religious idiology above the country. So, no. I don't trust you. i admit i was wrong about obama not being a muslim which means he does not have to denounce muslim extremists. do you expect me to "evaluat(e) a possible future" with every possible presidential candiate. are you nuts?? do you live in a dream world or something. oh that's right you are not even in the US. do you do that with where ever you are at. oh that's right most arabic countries have Kings and dictators. no one is elected. since i don't know where you are at i'm saying MOST ARABIC COUNTRIES. btw i said denounce and not renounce and honestly who cares about where u live and what you studied. it's irrelevent with the topic on hand. this also includes your hate of islam. but it does pose a question, why are you there?? but i don't care it's irrelevent anyway. and where did you ASSUME this question, "Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us?" as for names let me ask you this would you name your son adolf hitler?? or benito mussolini?? or ted bundy?? why not it's just a name. but bottom dollar says you never will even though you preach actions is what someone should be judged by. btw i never said his middle name is muslim. you ASSUMED.do you think i give a damn about your middle name?? or lack thereof?? why are you bringing that up?? and lastly i am not religious at all but politically i have become more involved and honestly i think the US should bomb the shit out of Iran and Iraq. i can guarantee that all insurgency will end immediately after those two countries are sent back to the stone age. my best example is japan during WWII. 2 bombs and the war ended. but unfortunately we live in a time of bullshit political correctness.finally do you think i give a damn if you trust me or not. believe me i won't lose any sleep. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />Every teacher you've ever had should be fired.

K.C.

02-27-2007, 10:22 AM

I haven't read most of the thread, but I'll just give my thoughts on the title subject. All this Obama hysteria aside, there's not much to go on, on where this guy stands. He has no record, so before I make up my mind on the guy, I want to see him put through the ringer of a campaign and see how he defends himself and his points of view. I already know where Hillary stands on a lot of the issues. I know where Edwards stands on the issues. And even people like Biden, Richardson, and so on. Obama is an unknown quantity to me at this point. If our primary was today, I'd vote for Edwards. Obama has plenty of time to win me over, but it's not going to happen from 8,000 talking heads on cable news telling me the guy has 'charisma' and 30 second news-bytes.

RicShaw

02-27-2007, 11:18 AM

I'm looking forward to living in the coming Obama-nation

satan-2

02-27-2007, 10:26 PM

Yerdaddy wrote: satan-2 wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: See that? I sought an answer and I got one. You could have done the same with Obama if you gave a fuck about honestly evaluating a possible future president of the United States.For example you say he's Muslim. He's actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama#Family_and_religious_life" target="_blank">Christian</a>. He's never been a Muslim. So you'll have to explain why he should have to denounce Muslim extremists. I lived in the Middle East for the last two years and I never had to renounce Christian extremism to pass anyone's loyalty test. Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us? His middle name? It's not Muslim it's Arabic. Just like "madrassa" means "school" in Arabic. I studied Arabic at a madrassa in Yemen and I hate Islam. And why is it reasonable that anyone should be judged by their middle name and not by their actions? I don't even have one. Does that mean I don't exist? I think you're just being a petty ideologue who puts your own political and religious idiology above the country. So, no. I don't trust you. i admit i was wrong about obama not being a muslim which means he does not have to denounce muslim extremists. do you expect me to "evaluat(e) a possible future" with every possible presidential candiate. are you nuts?? do you live in a dream world or something. oh that's right you are not even in the US. do you do that with where ever you are at. oh that's right most arabic countries have Kings and dictators. no one is elected. since i don't know where you are at i'm saying MOST ARABIC COUNTRIES. btw i said denounce and not renounce and honestly who cares about where u live and what you studied. it's irrelevent with the topic on hand. this also includes your hate of islam. but it does pose a question, why are you there?? but i don't care it's irrelevent anyway. and where did you ASSUME this question, "Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us?" as for names let me ask you this would you name your son adolf hitler?? or benito mussolini?? or ted bundy?? why not it's just a name. but bottom dollar says you never will even though you preach actions is what someone should be judged by. btw i never said his middle name is muslim. you ASSUMED.do you think i give a damn about your middle name?? or lack thereof?? why are you bringing that up?? and lastly i am not religious at all but politically i have become more involved and honestly i think the US should bomb the shit out of Iran and Iraq. i can guarantee that all insurgency will end immediately after those two countries are sent back to the stone age. my best example is japan during WWII. 2 bombs and the war ended. but unfortunately we live in a time of bullshit political correctness.finally do you think i give a damn if you trust me or not. believe me i won't lose any sleep. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />Every teacher you've ever had should be fired. that's your comeback. wow, i'm sooo hurt. wait let me try to shed a tear. hold on...keep holding...

AgnosticJihad

02-28-2007, 06:56 AM

AgnosticJihad

02-28-2007, 07:00 AM

Regarding Obama, I will not vote for Obama (as of now) for 3 reasons:1. I don't now what he stands for.2. voting means nothing since the differences between the two parties are largely superficial3. If by some miracle a black man did get elected president, some racist sack of shit will probably assasinate him anyway.

busybeeman

02-28-2007, 09:10 AM

AgnosticJihad wrote: Regarding Obama, I will not vote for Obama (as of now) for 3 reasons:1. I don't now what he stands for.2. voting means nothing since the differences between the two parties are largely superficial3. If by some miracle a black man did get elected president, some racist sack of shit will probably assasinate him anyway.However, <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_York_Daily_News" title="New York Daily News">New York Daily News</a> columnist <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Stanley_Crouch" title="Stanley Crouch">Stanley Crouch</a> wrote: "When black Americans refer to Obama as 'one of us,' I do not know what they are talking about."<a href="#_note-120">[134]</a>  Black man?  Say what?  Here's a Wiki entry on the dude who should be running for prez in his African father's homeland:<h2>Cultural and political image</h2><div class="thumb tleft"><div class="thumbinner" style="width: 172px"><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Image:TIME_Magazine_23_October_2006_Barack_Obama.j pg" title="TIME magazine cover story, "The Fresh Face," October 23, 2006"><img class="thumbimage" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/TIME_Magazine_23_October_2006_Barack_Obama.jpg/170px-TIME_Magazine_23_October_2006_Barack_Obama.jpg" border="0" alt="TIME magazine cover story, "The Fresh Face," October 23, 2006" width="170" height="229" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify" style="float: right"><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Image:TIME_Magazine_23_October_2006_Barack_Obama.j pg" title="Enlarge"><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png" border="0" width="15" height="11" /></a></div><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Time_(magazine)" title="Time (magazine)">TIME</a> magazine cover story, "The Fresh Face," October 23, 2006<a href="#_note-Klein_2006-12-15">[127]</a></div></div></div>Supporters account for Obama's broad appeal by characterizing him as a cultural <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Rorschach_inkblot_test" title="Rorschach inkblot test">Rorschach test</a>, a neutral persona onto which people can project their personal histories and aspirations.<a href="#_note-ref_name.3DEnda2006">[128]</a> Obama's own self-narrative encourages diverse multiethnic affinities. In Dreams from My Father, he links his maternal family history to possible <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States" title="Native Americans in the United States">Native American</a> ancestors and distant relatives of <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Jefferson_Davis" title="Jefferson Davis">Jefferson Davis</a>, president of the southern <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America" title="Confederate States of America">Confederacy</a> during the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/American_Civil_War" title="American Civil War">American Civil War</a>.<a href="#_note-115">[129]</a> Speaking to an elderly <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Jew" title="Jew">Jewish</a> audience during his 2004 campaign for U.S. Senate, Obama linked the linguistic roots of his <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/East_Africa" title="East Africa">East African</a> first name Barack to the <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Hebrew" title="Hebrew">Hebrew</a> word <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Baruch" title="Baruch">baruch</a>, meaning "blessed".<a href="#_note-116">[130]</a>Media sources have mirrored and amplified Obama's <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Everyman" title="Everyman">everyman</a> image. An October 2006 interview on <a href="htt

fezjr

02-28-2007, 09:23 AM

Now, black guys support him because his father got a white woman pregnant and all black guys hate white guys. Militant black women will vote for him because even though they don't like black men with white women they hate white people more. That is about it, he will get no other votes expect for the liberal vote and the muslim vote, both of which are very small.Now, can we please stop acting like black people support him for what he stands for, please. Please stop political correct wishy washy white lies.

Judge Smails

02-28-2007, 09:29 AM

fezjr wrote: Now, black guys support him because his father got a white woman pregnant and all black guys hate white guys. Militant black women will vote for him because even though they don't like black men with white women they hate white people more. That is about it, he will get no other votes expect for the liberal vote and the muslim vote, both of which are very small.Now, can we please stop acting like black people support him for what he stands for, please. Please stop political correct wishy washy white lies.First off - before you paint me as a typical board liberal just know that I'm a registered Independent and actually voted for Republican candidates in at least the last two elections.That being said: Your post is by far the stupidest post I've ever seen on this board.  You are truly a racist, a bigot and an asshat.

fezjr

02-28-2007, 09:30 AM

Am I

Judge Smails

02-28-2007, 09:32 AM

Yep.

busybeeman

02-28-2007, 09:47 AM

Judge Smails wrote: Yep. Right on, Brother.  Just so long as you always realize that the ig'nant cain't be changed.  It's they nature to be natchull born fools.  Keep the faith, though.  And always, keep your eyes open and watch your back.  <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/dry.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

Marc with a c

02-28-2007, 11:28 AM

no way!i will never vote for a muslim

busybeeman

02-28-2007, 12:18 PM

Judge Smails wrote: Yep. BTW<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/member_avatars/83874animation18of[1]2.gif" border="0" width="100" height="78" />Me so horny.

foodcourtdruide

02-28-2007, 12:20 PM

satan-2 wrote: i agree hell no. first of all his middle name bothers me.second he's muslim and right now they are not on my good list. has anyone noticed that he has not denounced muslim extremists.just a thought as to why i would not vote for him. This might be the craziest post I've ever seen. Do you really think he's pro-muslim extremist?

mattphitz

03-01-2007, 04:41 PM

I've been waiting for a response to this one for a while.  Does anyone else actually think he is a muslim extremeist?

Fat_Sunny

03-01-2007, 05:01 PM

mattphitz wrote: I've been waiting for a response to this one for a while.  Does anyone else actually think he is a muslim extremeist? Obama Strikes Fat As Being A Bit On The "Stepford Wife" Side, Almost Like He Has Been Programmed.Fat Has A Nagging Concern, And Sneaking Suspicion, That Obama May Be The New Manchurian Candidate.  Could This Be An Insidious Plot To Take Over The US?  Do Not Dismiss This As Crazy Talk.Something Ain't Right.

HBox

03-01-2007, 05:05 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: mattphitz wrote: I've been waiting for a response to this one for a while. Does anyone else actually think he is a muslim extremeist? Obama Strikes Fat As Being A Bit On The "Stepford Wife" Side, Almost Like He Has Been Programmed.Fat Has A Nagging Concern, And Sneaking Suspicion, That Obama May Be The New Manchurian Candidate. Could This Be An Insidious Plot To Take Over The US? Do Not Dismiss This As Crazy Talk.Something Ain't Right.I'm not going to dismiss this as crazy talk. I'm going to dismiss this as tired board character super duper Charlie Manson crazy talk.

Fat_Sunny

03-01-2007, 05:14 PM

HBox wrote: I'm not going to dismiss this as crazy talk. I'm going to dismiss this as tired board character super duper Charlie Manson crazy talk. Fat Will Let That Slide, As This Topic (And Most Others) Are Just A Notch Or Two Above Hbox's Pay Grade.

TheMojoPin

03-01-2007, 05:15 PM

Why are people insisting that Obama is a muslim (and if he was, whoopedy-doo)?From the man himself:I was not raised in a religious household. My maternal grandparents, who hailed from Kansas, had been steeped in Baptist and Methodist teachings as children, but religious faith never really took root in their hearts. My mother's own experiences as a bookish, sensitive child growing up in small towns in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas only reinforced this inherited skepticism. [...] My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition.It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be <a href="http://null/wiki/Baptism" title="Baptism">baptized</a>. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.And anyone trotting out the "I have no idea what he stands for" is a lazy ass.  He has a website that details his platform and politics.  He has two bestselling books out there that detail his life and his political career.  He's on TV all the time speaking on the issues of the day.  If someone "doesn't know what he's about," they're just being willfully ignorant.

TheMojoPin

03-01-2007, 05:16 PM

HBox

03-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: HBox wrote: I'm not going to dismiss this as crazy talk. I'm going to dismiss this as tired board character super duper Charlie Manson crazy talk. Fat Will Let That Slide, As This Topic (And Most Others) Are Just A Notch Or Two Above Hbox's Pay Grade.You're just still smarting from the edible tractor.Besides, if anyone is a Manchurian Candidate it's McCain. The commies had him for 5 and a half years! They had to let him go for SOME reason. Do not dismiss this as crazy talk. Something ain't right.

Fat_Sunny

03-01-2007, 05:23 PM

HBox wrote:You're just still smarting from the edible tractor. Besides, if anyone is a Manchurian Candidate it's McCain. The commies had him for 5 and a half years! They had to let him go for SOME reason. Do not dismiss this as crazy talk. Something ain't right. Fat Always Keeps An Open Mind On Such Theories.If You're All Praying To Mecca In 7 Years From Now, Remember This Thread.

epo

03-01-2007, 06:05 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: HBox wrote:You're just still smarting from the edible tractor. Besides, if anyone is a Manchurian Candidate it's McCain. The commies had him for 5 and a half years! They had to let him go for SOME reason. Do not dismiss this as crazy talk. Something ain't right. Fat Always Keeps An Open Mind On Such Theories.If You're All Praying To Mecca In 7 Years From Now, Remember This Thread.Just stop the crazy talk.

satan-2

03-02-2007, 01:29 AM

AgnosticJihad wrote: satan-2 wrote: [quote]Yerdaddy wrote: See that? I sought an answer and I got one. You could have done the same with Obama if you gave a fuck about honestly evaluating a possible future president of the United States.For example you say he's Muslim. He's actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama#Family_and_religious_life" target="_blank">Christian</a>. He's never been a Muslim. So you'll have to explain why he should have to denounce Muslim extremists. I lived in the Middle East for the last two years and I never had to renounce Christian extremism to pass anyone's loyalty test. Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us? His middle name? It's not Muslim it's Arabic. Just like "madrassa" means "school" in Arabic. I studied Arabic at a madrassa in Yemen and I hate Islam. And why is it reasonable that anyone should be judged by their middle name and not by their actions? I don't even have one. Does that mean I don't exist? I think you're just being a petty ideologue who puts your own political and religious idiology above the country. So, no. I don't trust you. i admit i was wrong about obama not being a muslim which means he does not have to denounce muslim extremists. do you expect me to "evaluat(e) a possible future" with every possible presidential candiate. are you nuts?? do you live in a dream world or something. oh that's right you are not even in the US. do you do that with where ever you are at. oh that's right most arabic countries have Kings and dictators. no one is elected. since i don't know where you are at i'm saying MOST ARABIC COUNTRIES. btw i said denounce and not renounce and honestly who cares about where u live and what you studied. it's irrelevent with the topic on hand. this also includes your hate of islam. but it does pose a question, why are you there?? but i don't care it's irrelevent anyway. and where did you ASSUME this question, "Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us?" as for names let me ask you this would you name your son adolf hitler?? or benito mussolini?? or ted bundy?? why not it's just a name. but bottom dollar says you never will even though you preach actions is what someone should be judged by. btw i never said his middle name is muslim. you ASSUMED.do you think i give a damn about your middle name?? or lack thereof?? why are you bringing that up?? and lastly i am not religious at all but politically i have become more involved and honestly i think the US should bomb the shit out of Iran and Iraq. i can guarantee that all insurgency will end immediately after those two countries are sent back to the stone age. my best example is japan during WWII. 2 bombs and the war ended. but unfortunately we live in a time of bullshit political correctness.finally do you think i give a damn if you trust me or not. believe me i won't lose any sleep. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />Sorry, but I have to jump in here. Satan-2 is one stupid fuck. First of all, political correctness is the use of euphemistic language to hide the true meaning of what politicians are saying, the purpose of which is to make what they are saying more acceptable to the public and thus not ostracize voters. It's basically what Orwell envisioned when he came up with Newspeak.Our government's unwillingness to bomb the shit out of Iraq has nothing to do with political correctness (well, it does a little, since it would likely horrify most voters). We don't do it because targeting civilian populations is a violation of the Geneva convention (wh

satan-2

03-02-2007, 01:35 AM

foodcourtdruide wrote: satan-2 wrote: i agree hell no. first of all his middle name bothers me.second he's muslim and right now they are not on my good list. has anyone noticed that he has not denounced muslim extremists.just a thought as to why i would not vote for him. This might be the craziest post I've ever seen. Do you really think he's pro-muslim extremist? i admitted that i was wrong about him being a muslim. but i still would not vote for him.

AgnosticJihad

03-02-2007, 10:17 AM

satan-2 wrote: AgnosticJihad wrote: [quote]satan-2 wrote: [quote]Yerdaddy wrote: See that? I sought an answer and I got one. You could have done the same with Obama if you gave a fuck about honestly evaluating a possible future president of the United States.For example you say he's Muslim. He's actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama#Family_and_religious_life" target="_blank">Christian</a>. He's never been a Muslim. So you'll have to explain why he should have to denounce Muslim extremists. I lived in the Middle East for the last two years and I never had to renounce Christian extremism to pass anyone's loyalty test. Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us? His middle name? It's not Muslim it's Arabic. Just like "madrassa" means "school" in Arabic. I studied Arabic at a madrassa in Yemen and I hate Islam. And why is it reasonable that anyone should be judged by their middle name and not by their actions? I don't even have one. Does that mean I don't exist? I think you're just being a petty ideologue who puts your own political and religious idiology above the country. So, no. I don't trust you.i admit i was wrong about obama not being a muslim which means he does not have to denounce muslim extremists. do you expect me to "evaluat(e) a possible future" with every possible presidential candiate. are you nuts?? do you live in a dream world or something. oh that's right you are not even in the US. do you do that with where ever you are at. oh that's right most arabic countries have Kings and dictators. no one is elected. since i don't know where you are at i'm saying MOST ARABIC COUNTRIES. btw i said denounce and not renounce and honestly who cares about where u live and what you studied. it's irrelevent with the topic on hand. this also includes your hate of islam. but it does pose a question, why are you there?? but i don't care it's irrelevent anyway.and where did you ASSUME this question, "Are you saying we should treat our own people less fairly than Middle Eastern Arabs treat us?" as for names let me ask you this would you name your son adolf hitler?? or benito mussolini?? or ted bundy?? why not it's just a name. but bottom dollar says you never will even though you preach actions is what someone should be judged by. btw i never said his middle name is muslim. you ASSUMED.do you think i give a damn about your middle name?? or lack thereof?? why are you bringing that up?? and lastly i am not religious at all but politically i have become more involved and honestly i think the US should bomb the shit out of Iran and Iraq. i can guarantee that all insurgency will end immediately after those two countries are sent back to the stone age. my best example is japan during WWII. 2 bombs and the war ended. but unfortunately we live in a time of bullshit political correctness.finally do you think i give a damn if you trust me or not. believe me i won't lose any sleep. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />Sorry, but I have to jump in here. Satan-2 is one stupid fuck. First of all, political correctness is the use of euphemistic language to hide the true meaning of what politicians are saying, the purpose of which is to make what they are saying more acceptable to the public and thus not ostracize voters. It's basically what Orwell envisioned when he came up with Newspeak.Our government's unwillingness to bomb the shit out of Iraq has nothing to do with political correctness (well, it does a little, since it would likely horrify most voters). We don't do it because targeting civilian po

busybeeman

03-04-2007, 09:28 AM

Did I say how much I hate Obama?  It ain't personal.  I hate Africans, in general...not in a personal way, though.  As a Black American, I hate that term "African-American."  Africans sold us into slavery in the first place.  To Mr. Obama:  Stop faking the funk you a-hole.  Go back to Kenya.  We don't need ya.  We don't want ya.  You and your fake African ass ain't wanted.  But...it ain't personal, cuz.  You my cuz, cause ain't no way in hell you my Bro.  A KKK is more my bro than you.  You F-N sellout.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070304/ap_on_el_pr/selma_politics">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070304/ap_on_el_pr/selma_politics</a>

TheMojoPin

03-04-2007, 10:21 AM

How was none of that personal?  Revel in your hate.

busybeeman

03-05-2007, 07:47 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: How was none of that personal?  Revel in your hate.I don't hate Obama...per se. (I hate the greed and back-stabbing ways of most Africans).   He's slick.  Not as slick as his opponent's spouse.  But he's slick.  Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time."  Just because a majority of Black Americans are chained by mental slavery chains doesn't mean that it applies to all of us.  I ain't one of 'em.   As far as Bill Clinton, as a wise pundit once put it:  "He's slicker than snot."   <img src="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/03/02/wus02.jpg" border="0" width="419" height="287" /><img src="http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/07/technology/techinvestor/lamonica/clinton_bill_accoona.jpg" border="0" width="220" height="250" />

TheMojoPin

03-05-2007, 07:54 AM

I'm not saying you can't dislike the guy, but your reasonings for it are pretty vague and really out of nowhere at this point.  With Clinton you at least always had allegations flying around about the shady stuff he supposedly (and in my opinion, probably) did.  I'm just curious what you're basing these opinions on Obama on, outside of some random "I hate Africans" creed.

busybeeman

03-05-2007, 10:19 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: I'm not saying you can't dislike the guy... Dude, you misunderstand me.  I didn't say I "dislike the guy"...actually, really, truly, I hate him.  Everything that he stands for.  I hate all the smug Africa a-holes who come to the US looking down on Black Americans.  They are NOT apologetic about slavery.  "Why should they be?" they say.  They got rich off the deal.  Unlike some of my mentally-challenged brethren, I reject the term "African-American."  That's what Obama is.  I'm a Black American (of African, European, and Native American ancestry).  If you want to be specific, I'm a human being.  So's Obama and his family.  Just so you realize his human being family sold human beings for money.  F him.  What does this have to do with politics?  AIRTHANG (that's "everything" in "Ebonics")

TheMojoPin

03-05-2007, 11:41 AM

I'm really confused as to where you have gotten all of this information.

foodcourtdruide

03-05-2007, 01:55 PM

high fly

03-05-2007, 02:48 PM

foodcourtdruide wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I'm not saying you can't dislike the guy... Dude, you misunderstand me.  I didn't say I "dislike the guy"...actually, really, truly, I hate him.  Everything that he stands for.  I hate all the smug Africa a-holes who come to the US looking down on Black Americans.  They are NOT apologetic about slavery.  "Why should they be?" they say.  They got rich off the deal.  Unlike some of my mentally-challenged brethren, I reject the term "African-American."  That's what Obama is.  I'm a Black American (of African, European, and Native American ancestry).  If you want to be specific, I'm a human being.  So's Obama and his family.  Just so you realize his human being family sold human beings for money.  F him.  What does this have to do with politics?  AIRTHANG (that's "everything" in "Ebonics")I think you have a lot of misdirected hatred. Painting all Africans with one broad stroke is racism. Looks to me like he's trying to be an internet "character."Must be something awful wrong with just being himself.

busybeeman

03-05-2007, 04:15 PM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: I'm not saying you can't dislike the guy... Dude, you misunderstand me.  I didn't say I "dislike the guy"...actually, really, truly, I hate him.  Everything that he stands for.  I hate all the smug Africa a-holes who come to the US looking down on Black Americans.  They are NOT apologetic about slavery.  "Why should they be?" they say.  They got rich off the deal.  Unlike some of my mentally-challenged brethren, I reject the term "African-American."  That's what Obama is.  I'm a Black American (of African, European, and Native American ancestry).  If you want to be specific, I'm a human being.  So's Obama and his family.  Just so you realize his human being family sold human beings for money.  F him.  What does this have to do with politics?  AIRTHANG (that's "everything" in "Ebonics")I pray one day "my people" (and folks, in general) would learn how to read and find out truths instead of being mental slaves:The Baltimore Sun, McClatchy-TribuneFor the record, Obama descended from white slave ownersWASHINGTON: Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.But an intriguing snippet of the Illinois senator's family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and US census records.The records - never addressed publicly by Senator Obama or his relatives - were noted in an ancestry report compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner, who works at the Library of Congress and researches genealogies in his spare time. The report, on Mr Reitwiesner's website, carries a disclaimer that it is a "first draft" - one likely to be examined more closely if the senator from Illinois is nominated.According to the research, one of Senator Obama's great-great-great-great-grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Kentucky. The same records show that one of Senator Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.The records show that Overall, then 30, owned a 15-year-old female and a 25-year-old male, while Mary Duvall, his mother-in-law, owned a 60-year-old man and a 58-year-old woman.An Obama spokesman did not dispute the information and said that the senator's ancestors "are representative of America"."While a relative owned slaves, another fought for the Union in the Civil War," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said on Thursday. "And it is a true measure of progress that the descendant of a slave owner would come to marry a student from Kenya and produce a son who would grow up to be a candidate for president."It was unclear whether Senator Obama was aware of any slave-holding ancestors."You just can't casually throw some documents together and make a sophisticated analysis," said Tony Burroughs, author of Black Roots: A Beginners Guide to Tracing the African American Family Tree.Senator Obama faces a showdown this weekend in Alabama with Hillary Clinton for black votes. The former president Bill Clinton will make his first campaign appearance with his wife. Senator Obama is keynoting tomorrow's civil rights commemoration in Selma while the Clintons will be at a nearby church. All three will join a march over the Edmund Pettus Bridge, where state troopers police beat civil rights activists in 1965.The Baltimore Sun, McClatchy-Tribune

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TheMojoPin

03-05-2007, 04:23 PM

Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.

busybeeman

03-05-2007, 04:45 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.You got it, MojoPin.  This motherhumpers descended from both kinds of slave traders, the buyers and the sellers.  And I'm supposed to trust him?  I ain't no crackhead!

TheMojoPin

03-05-2007, 05:16 PM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.You got it, MojoPin.  This motherhumpers descended from both kinds of slave traders, the buyers and the sellers.  And I'm supposed to trust him?  I ain't no crackhead!I don't understand how the actions of his ancestors, which he ahs zero control over, is supposed to reflect on us trusting him.  Are you saying that if we found out some great-great-great-great-grandafther of yours was a serial killer, we couldn't trust you?  That's absurd.  And you keep tossing out how "bad" it is that he's of "African" blood, because supposedly that automatically means his African ancestors sold their own people into slavery.  First of all, you've provided no such proof of that (not that it matters on Obama himself in terms of whether or not he should be president, or even who he is as a person), and secondly, you keep brushing off all Africans in the same stroke.  Are all Russians evil because Stalin was a mass-murdering fuckhead?  Are all southeast Asians threats because Pol Pot was an inhuman killing machine?  Your "logic" is hugely flawed, to say the least.I don't know if Obama is the right man to be president, and I din't think everyone needs to like him.  But given that this anti-Obama thread is yours and you keep it alive, it might work better if you backed it up with some legit criticism as opposed to these broad and pointless generalizations that have no bearing on the man this thread is supposed to be about.And besides, I found the best response to your latest point in the article you yourself posted:"While a relative owned slaves, another fought for the Union in the Civil War," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said on Thursday. "And it is a true measure of progress that the descendant of a slave owner would come to marry a student from Kenya and produce a son who would grow up to be a candidate for president."Stop calling huge segments of the population stupid just because they understand that our history, ALL history, is a part of an ongoing social evolution and isn't as simple and stagnant as you seem to think it is.

busybeeman

03-06-2007, 05:56 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.You got it, MojoPin.  This motherhumpers descended from both kinds of slave traders, the buyers and the sellers.  And I'm supposed to trust him?  I ain't no crackhead!I don't understand how the actions of his ancestors, which he ahs zero control over, is supposed to reflect on us trusting him.... I understand where you're coming from.  That said, F Obama and F his African relatives.  Have they paid any reparations?  Why the hell do they come to my country and look down on the descendants of those they SOLD to the slave-traders?  Have they issued any apologies?  F Obama and his daddy's momma.<img src="http://digilander.libero.it/resaka0/img/20020115roots.jpg" border="0" width="230" height="360" />

TheMojoPin

03-06-2007, 06:10 AM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.You got it, MojoPin.  This motherhumpers descended from both kinds of slave traders, the buyers and the sellers.  And I'm supposed to trust him?  I ain't no crackhead!I don't understand how the actions of his ancestors, which he ahs zero control over, is supposed to reflect on us trusting him.... I understand where you're coming from.  That said, F Obama and F his African relatives.  Have they paid any reparations?  Why the hell do they come to my country and look down on the descendants of those they SOLD to the slave-traders?  Have they issued any apologies?  F Obama and his daddy's momma. What do you actually know about Obama's African ancestors?  And where are his "relatives looking down" on anyone?  You're completely making all of this up about him.Your knowledge of the African lsave trade, both internal and external, is woefully inaccurate given how foten you keep tossing it out as "proof" as to why Obama is so terrible.  You do realize where his African ancestors are from, right?

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 3-6-07 @ 10:18 AM

busybeeman

03-06-2007, 06:20 AM

<h1>The infamous slave trade</h1><div class="clear"></div>  The Shimoni caves "In the 18th and 19th Centuries, at the height of the infamous slave trade, the big slaving dhows from Arabia came down on the monsoon winds to the East Coast of Africa, returning with their miserable human cargoes of slaves. These slaves were captured by Arab ‘caravans’ in hinterland often after burning and sacking whole villages in the most brutal circumstances, and then eventually shipped to the infamous slave market in Zanzibar for onward shipment to Arabia.Thousands died on the march, their bodies left by the roadside, to be devoured by wild animals. Of those that did reach the Coast, many never made it to Arabia, dying of disease or just plain despair in the atrocious conditions of the overcrowded holds of the slave ships. The sharks soon learned to follow in their wake, for the daily harvest of the dead corpses that were thrown overboard.It is almost certain that these caves (the Shimoni caves ed.) were used by the Arabs as a slave pen, where the slaves were held pending the arrival of the ship to take them to Zanzibar."Captured slaves are believed to have waited 2-3 weeks in the Shimoni caves before they were shipped to Zanzibar and from there to Yemen and America. 600-1000 slaves went at a time. About 400 of them would die. In Kenya, slaves came from the Coastal and Kamba communities. Their chiefs sold them to the Arabs.Source: Shimoni Slave Cave brochure and presentation, Historical Site, A Community Development Project visited by ANPPCAN-Kenya.

busybeeman

03-06-2007, 06:22 AM

Please don't be stupid.  READ.  Read the last line above.

busybeeman

03-06-2007, 06:22 AM

In Kenya, slaves came from the Coastal and Kamba communities. Their chiefs sold them to the Arabs.

This message was edited by busybeeman on 3-6-07 @ 10:22 AM

TheMojoPin

03-06-2007, 06:47 AM

busybeeman wrote: In Kenya, slaves came from the Coastal and Kamba communities. Their chiefs sold them to the Arabs. This message was edited by busybeeman on 3-6-07 @ 10:22 AM Don't call me stupid.  It's uncalled for.  Are you aware of the context of the Arabic-African slave trade?  Are you aware of the African concept of slavery in the first place?  For one, it was, for the most part, a form a indentured servitude.  African "slaves" were paid and could own property.  They could also buy their own freedom and then achieve "social promotion."  Is it a good system?  Oh, helllllll no.  But it's inaccurate to throw it out there that the African participated in the European/American "style" of slavery en masse.  They also kept "slaves" as a result of inter-region and tribal conflict, but even those captives were treated more like feudal vassals than our typical picture of "slavery."  The arabic slave trade was essentially the result of arab subjugation of the eastern African coast.  Africans sold by Africans was ultimately the result of attempting to avoid the violent and indiscriminate slave raids of other coastal communities by the arab slave traders, and also the above concept of "slavery" by Africans themselves.  Is it an awful situation?  Of course.  But it's hardly the "OMG ALL AFRICANS ARE EVIL" line you keep spouting.  You also have no proff whatsoever that Obama's ancestors were involved in the trade and you're ignoring the fact that even if they were it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM SINCE HE LIVES SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE FACT.  Sorry about the caps, but you simply can't keep ignoring that.

busybeeman

03-06-2007, 08:14 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: busybeeman wrote: In Kenya, slaves came from the Coastal and Kamba communities. Their chiefs sold them to the Arabs. This message was edited by busybeeman on 3-6-07 @ 10:22 AM Don't call me stupid.  It's uncalled for.  ... Don't get yer panties in a twist.  I did NOT call you stupid.  It was a cautionary statement...as in "Don't be..."

TheMojoPin

03-06-2007, 08:19 AM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: busybeeman wrote: In Kenya, slaves came from the Coastal and Kamba communities. Their chiefs sold them to the Arabs. This message was edited by busybeeman on 3-6-07 @ 10:22 AM Don't call me stupid.  It's uncalled for.  ... Don't get yer panties in a twist.  I did NOT call you stupid.  It was a cautionary statement...as in "Don't be..."Don't try and spin that.  You know exactly what you're trying to say when you say "don't be stupid."  Why can't we just have a discussion/debate here?

busybeeman

03-06-2007, 08:22 AM

Relax, Bro.  I ain't after ya.  It's not in my nature...unlessin' youse Afican, now...<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/dry.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

busybeeman

03-07-2007, 07:37 AM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.You got it, MojoPin.  This motherhumpers descended from both kinds of slave traders, the buyers and the sellers.  And I'm supposed to trust him?  I ain't no crackhead!I don't understand how the actions of his ancestors, which he ahs zero control over, is supposed to reflect on us trusting him.... I understand where you're coming from.  That said, F Obama and F his African relatives.  Have they paid any reparations?  Why the hell do they come to my country and look down on the descendants of those they SOLD to the slave-traders?  Have they issued any apologies?  F Obama and his daddy's momma.<img src="http://digilander.libero.it/resaka0/img/20020115roots.jpg" border="0" width="230" height="360" />When you were young and your heart was an open bookYou used to say, "Live and Let Live"<img src="http://www.users.nac.net/delliott/007/lald_cast.jpg" border="0" width="280" height="210" />

TheMojoPin

03-07-2007, 08:36 AM

Why are you always replying to yourself?

busybeeman

03-07-2007, 09:08 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Why are you always replying to yourself? Because I enjoy intelligent conversation.

TheMojoPin

03-07-2007, 12:41 PM

You could at least log back in as Fat_Sunny.  Then you'd be having a brilliant threeway.

busybeeman

03-07-2007, 12:48 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: You could at least log back in as Fat_Sunny.  Then you'd be having a brilliant threeway. Who you take me for?  A fool? Or the man of a thousand faces?  Lon Chaney?  Or James Cagney as Lon Chaney?<img src="http://foto3.com/ebay/manThousandFaces.jpg" border="0" width="630" height="425" />

TheMojoPin

03-07-2007, 01:14 PM

Please stop ripping off Bobo's picture thing.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 3-7-07 @ 5:16 PM

busybeeman

03-07-2007, 01:16 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Stop ripping off Bobo's picture thing. I mighta played with some dope toys back in the day:<img src="http://www.samstoybox.com/toypics/HugoBox.jpg" border="0" width="366" height="500" />

Fat_Sunny

03-07-2007, 02:45 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: You could at least log back in as Fat_Sunny.  Then you'd be having a brilliant threeway. Like When You Invite A Couple Of The Neighborhood Boys In To "Watch TV"?

TheMojoPin

03-07-2007, 02:55 PM

OMG HE SAID I WAS TEH GEHY

busybeeman

03-08-2007, 06:46 AM

Dear Mr. To Whom It May Concern,I am pleased to tell you that the Bank of Obama has in escrow a check for the amount of $42 million U.S. for you, Kind Dear Sir.  To expedite the international money wire transfer, we require your name, address, and social security number.  You may rest assured that the Sovereign Nation of Obama is trustworthy, honest, and honorable.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070308/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments;_ylt=Au2_lt3iKNMP0OSs4QcYW4KyFz4 D">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070308/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments;_ylt=Au2_lt3iKNMP0OSs4QcYW4KyFz4 D</a>

busybeeman

03-08-2007, 08:52 AM

<div class="storyhdr">By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago </div>WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (<a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/ap/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments/22194790/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Barack%20Obama%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=n ews&cs=nw">news</a>, <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/ap/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments/22194790/SIG=118ul297o/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=3181">bio</a>, <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/ap/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments/22194790/SIG=11hbic58m/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181">voting record</a>) said Wednesday he was not aware he had invested in two companies backed by some of his top donors and said he had done nothing to aid their business with the government.<a href="http://oep.yi.org/~pkilgo/gallery/misc/funny/obama.jpeg" target="_top"><img src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vaww9YijyEfOvM:http://oep.yi.org/~pkilgo/gallery/misc/funny/obama.jpeg" border="0" width="65" height="86" /></a>

Dougie Brootal

03-08-2007, 09:04 AM

can i just say, i love mojo for embarrassing this ignorant piece of shit by exsposing his idiocy for all of us too see(as if it wasnt exposed enough) and i cant wait till this guy goes away forever.three cheers for mojo!!

busybeeman

03-08-2007, 09:36 AM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: How was none of that personal?  Revel in your hate.I don't hate Obama...per se. (I hate the greed and back-stabbing ways of most Africans).   He's slick.  Not as slick as his opponent's spouse.  But he's slick.  Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time."  Just because a majority of Black Americans are chained by mental slavery chains doesn't mean that it applies to all of us.  I ain't one of 'em.   As far as Bill Clinton, as a wise pundit once put it:  "He's slicker than snot."   <img src="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/03/02/wus02.jpg" border="0" width="419" height="287" /><img src="http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/07/technology/techinvestor/lamonica/clinton_bill_accoona.jpg" border="0" width="220" height="250" />The skeletons bounce out of the Obama closet one by one:BOSTON (Reuters) - As he prepared to announce his campaign for the White House, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama (<a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/nm/us_nm/usa_obama_fines_dc/22195098/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Barack%20Obama%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=n ews&cs=nw">news</a>, <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/nm/us_nm/usa_obama_fines_dc/22195098/SIG=118ul297o/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=3181">bio</a>, <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/nm/us_nm/usa_obama_fines_dc/22195098/SIG=11hbic58m/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181">voting record</a>) took care of some unfinished business at Harvard University -- paying about $400 in parking fines dating back to his days as a law student. <div class="lrec"><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/photo/070307/ids_photos_ts/r38857394.jpg&g=events/pl/020807obama;_ylt=AsZO94sRUpDuZomw8unZuG8XIr0F" onclick="openSS(this.href);return false;"><img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070307/i/r38857394.jpg?x=180&y=262&sig=fzyu4AExofxfr16TJU3V Ig--" border="0" alt="Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) listens to remarks during a hearing by the House Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington March 7, 2007. The hearing, at which Obama testified, was about election deception and voting irregularities in recent federal elections. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque (UNITED STATES)" width="180" height="262" /> </a><div class="source"><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/photo/070307/ids_photos_ts/r38857394.jpg&g=events/pl/020807obama;_ylt=AsAKca72B5ohrr4QFw2uWoEXIr0F" onclick="openSS(this.href);return false;">Reuters Photo:</a> Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)</div></div>Two weeks before the Illinois senator officially entered the presidential race on February 10, he paid parking fines he received while attending Harvard Law School in Cambridge, Massachusetts, a Cambridge city official said on Thursday

TheMojoPin

03-08-2007, 09:42 AM

The first two stories he posted today I'm genuinely interested in and I want to see more reported on...but this latest one about the parking fines?  Seriously?  That's a stretch.

Dougie Brootal

03-08-2007, 09:44 AM

i like how we are talking about him, in the 3rd person like hes not here reading everything anyone says about him<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />, and not to him.

This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-8-07 @ 1:45 PM

busybeeman

03-08-2007, 10:53 AM

douggrasso wrote: i like how we are talking about him, in the 3rd person like hes not here reading everything anyone says about him<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />, and not to him. This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-8-07 @ 1:45 PM It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again...Bee-hatch.<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~dcumbo/silence_lambs_06.jpeg" border="0" width="215" height="242" />

Dirtybird12

03-08-2007, 10:54 AM

sure wish we had a gook in the mix

Dougie Brootal

03-08-2007, 11:00 AM

busybeeman wrote: douggrasso wrote: i like how we are talking about him, in the 3rd person like hes not here reading everything anyone says about him<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />, and not to him. This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-8-07 @ 1:45 PM It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again...Bee-hatch.<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~dcumbo/silence_lambs_06.jpeg" border="0" width="215" height="242" /><img src="http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/nqento/147bee.jpg" border="0" width="194" height="137" /><img src="http://www.telechimp.com/telechimp/survivor%20-%20Richard%20Hatch.jpg" border="0" width="212" height="212" />?"ENGLISH, MUTHA FUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"<img src="http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/06/pulp_fiction,0.jpg" border="0" width="430" height="277" />

busybeeman

03-08-2007, 11:03 AM

douggrasso wrote: busybeeman wrote: douggrasso wrote: i like how we are talking about him, in the 3rd person like hes not here reading everything anyone says about him<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />, and not to him. This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-8-07 @ 1:45 PM It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again...Bee-hatch.<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~dcumbo/silence_lambs_06.jpeg" border="0" width="215" height="242" /><img src="http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/nqento/147bee.jpg" border="0" width="194" height="137" /><img src="http://www.telechimp.com/telechimp/survivor%20-%20Richard%20Hatch.jpg" border="0" width="212" height="212" />?"ENGLISH, MUTHA FUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"<img src="http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/06/pulp_fiction,0.jpg" border="0" width="430" height="277" />Wakey, wakey.  Eggs and bakey.  <img src="http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/treehugger5040/Film%20Pictures/capt.jpg" border="0" width="320" height="240" />

Dougie Brootal

03-08-2007, 11:04 AM

busybeeman wrote: douggrasso wrote: busybeeman wrote: douggrasso wrote: i like how we are talking about him, in the 3rd person like hes not here reading everything anyone says about him<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />, and not to him. This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-8-07 @ 1:45 PM It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again...Bee-hatch.<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~dcumbo/silence_lambs_06.jpeg" border="0" width="215" height="242" /><img src="http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/nqento/147bee.jpg" border="0" width="194" height="137" /><img src="http://www.telechimp.com/telechimp/survivor%20-%20Richard%20Hatch.jpg" border="0" width="212" height="212" />?"ENGLISH, MUTHA FUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"<img src="http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/06/pulp_fiction,0.jpg" border="0" width="430" height="277" />Wakey, wakey.  Eggs and bakey.  <img src="http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/treehugger5040/Film%20Pictures/capt.jpg" border="0" width="320" height="240" />that reply makes even less sense than this thread. you are dumber than a bag of hammers.<img src="http://www.celebritybathwater.com/special/hammers.jpg" border="0" width="215" height="215" />

ralphbxny

03-08-2007, 02:32 PM

busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: How was none of that personal?  Revel in your hate.I don't hate Obama...per se. (I hate the greed and back-stabbing ways of most Africans).   He's slick.  Not as slick as his opponent's spouse.  But he's slick.  Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time."  Just because a majority of Black Americans are chained by mental slavery chains doesn't mean that it applies to all of us.  I ain't one of 'em.   As far as Bill Clinton, as a wise pundit once put it:  "He's slicker than snot."   <img src="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/03/02/wus02.jpg" border="0" width="419" height="287" /> He looks like the Rock in this pic!!!

Dougie Brootal

03-08-2007, 02:35 PM

ralphbxny wrote: busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: How was none of that personal?  Revel in your hate.I don't hate Obama...per se. (I hate the greed and back-stabbing ways of most Africans).   He's slick.  Not as slick as his opponent's spouse.  But he's slick.  Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time."  Just because a majority of Black Americans are chained by mental slavery chains doesn't mean that it applies to all of us.  I ain't one of 'em.   As far as Bill Clinton, as a wise pundit once put it:  "He's slicker than snot."   <img src="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/03/02/wus02.jpg" border="0" width="419" height="287" /> He looks like the Rock in this pic!!!" an when the millions..."*crowd* "AND MILLIONS!!!""of Obama's fans vote him into office next November, the Great One is gonna take that  <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/87/topic/56373">Vote for Obama?--Hell no!</a> thread...shine it up real nice, turn that sombitch sideways.....AND STICK IT STRAIGHT UP BUSYBEEMAN'S CANDY ASS!!"

This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-8-07 @ 6:39 PM

HBox

03-08-2007, 02:44 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: The first two stories he posted today I'm genuinely interested in and I want to see more reported on...but this latest one about the parking fines? Seriously? That's a stretch.<a href="http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2007/03/the_bogus_obama.html">The first two stories are probably bullshit too.</a>This is a classic example of the weaknesses of "objective" news reporting on ethical issues. The Times reporters don't make an explicit argument or concede the limitations of their claim. Instead, they string together a series of facts around a loose hypothesis (that Obama's actions "raise questions") and leave it to the reader to infer what they cannot prove. It's dirty pool.

Yerdaddy

03-08-2007, 10:14 PM

This might be the worst political thread ever. And I've seen some bad ones.

busybeeman

03-09-2007, 05:49 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: This might be the worst political thread ever. And I've seen some bad ones. It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again...<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~dcumbo/silence_lambs_06.jpeg" border="0" width="215" height="242" />

Yerdaddy

03-09-2007, 06:09 AM

Now it's the worst.

busybeeman

03-09-2007, 06:21 AM

CircusFreak wrote: sure wish we had a gook in the mixHunh?<img src="http://images.spice51.com/movies/wolf-creek-2005/pictures/low/wolf-creek-2005-2.jpg" border="0" width="400" height="299" />There are some also-rans beefing about their lack of airplay:<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_second_tier;_ylt=Alspqo57PJ5vvxjCysbqmIy M5QcF">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_second_tier;_ylt=Alspqo57PJ5vvxjCysbqmIy M5QcF</a>

Dougie Brootal

03-09-2007, 06:33 AM

busybeeman

03-09-2007, 10:21 AM

James Earl Jones in the film "The Man"as a "REAL" Black President<img src="http://www.lucasfan.com/autographs/jamesearljones1.JPG" border="0" width="592" height="736" />

busybeeman

03-12-2007, 10:02 AM

busybeeman wrote: Dear Mr. To Whom It May Concern,I am pleased to tell you that the Bank of Obama has in escrow a check for the amount of $42 million U.S. for you, Kind Dear Sir.  To expedite the international money wire transfer, we require your name, address, and social security number.  You may rest assured that the Sovereign Nation of Obama is trustworthy, honest, and honorable.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070308/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments;_ylt=Au2_lt3iKNMP0OSs4QcYW4KyFz4 D">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070308/ap_on_el_pr/obama_investments;_ylt=Au2_lt3iKNMP0OSs4QcYW4KyFz4 D</a>What now?  Massachusetts Gov. been reading from the Obama playbook?<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070311/pl_nm/usa_politics_massachusetts_dc;_ylt=AvNk1_qcHY.rnTX onFuJePuyFz4D">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070311/pl_nm/usa_politics_massachusetts_dc;_ylt=AvNk1_qcHY.rnTX onFuJePuyFz4D</a>

kendran

03-12-2007, 10:40 AM

I always get letters like that in my email.  It's not Obama's though.

busybeeman

03-12-2007, 11:19 AM

kendran wrote: I always get letters like that in my email.  It's not Obama's though.You must be getting letters from Obama's relatives.  The SEC is onto them:<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sec_spam_e_mails;_ylt=Aqy4HcEzcVPev0aLAGRgYKUDW7oF">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sec_spam_e_mails;_ylt=Aqy4HcEzcVPev0aLAGRgYKUDW7oF</a>

TheMojoPin

03-12-2007, 12:23 PM

MAYBETHEDINGOATEYOURLOGIC.

Dougie Brootal

03-12-2007, 12:24 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: MAYBETHEDINGOATEYOURLOGIC.<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" /> this bit never gets old!!! hahahahaha!!

busybeeman

03-12-2007, 03:57 PM

busybeeman wrote: kendran wrote: I always get letters like that in my email.  It's not Obama's though.You must be getting letters from Obama's relatives.  The SEC is onto them:<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sec_spam_e_mails;_ylt=Aqy4HcEzcVPev0aLAGRgYKUDW7oF">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sec_spam_e_mails;_ylt=Aqy4HcEzcVPev0aLAGRgYKUDW7oF</a>The problem with Obama is that he's descended from a people who stab their people in the back.

busybeeman

03-12-2007, 03:58 PM

busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: busybeeman wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: Heh...I thought your beef was that he wes descended from AFRICAN slave traders...I dunno, it doesn't really bug me to find that out about someone.  It's not like he has any control over it.  I don't get why people were trying to make a story about how Strom Thurmond's ancestors had supposedly owned Al Sharpton's ancestors as slaves like it was so terrible for the people living today.  It's a shitty part of our history, but it's something that people alive now have no control over.You got it, MojoPin.  This motherhumpers descended from both kinds of slave traders, the buyers and the sellers.  And I'm supposed to trust him?  I ain't no crackhead!I don't understand how the actions of his ancestors, which he ahs zero control over, is supposed to reflect on us trusting him.... I understand where you're coming from.  That said, F Obama and F his African relatives.  Have they paid any reparations?  Why the hell do they come to my country and look down on the descendants of those they SOLD to the slave-traders?  Have they issued any apologies?  F Obama and his daddy's momma.<img src="http://digilander.libero.it/resaka0/img/20020115roots.jpg" border="0" width="230" height="360" />You must understand that Obama's people been selling their own down the river for centuries.