Two Reason Why we will LOSE in Iraq.

[scottinnj]

<p>It's all about the politics now.</p><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246582,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/pentagon">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246582,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/pentagon</a></p><p>The link above talks about how the U.S. Senate has approved the nomination and promotion of General Patraeus to be the new commander of the Iraq war.&nbsp; He is going in under orders from the commander-in-chief to increase troop levels and &quot;surge&quot; our way out of the mess we are in right now.&nbsp; At the same time, the Senate is doing all it can to keep the money and resources out of his hands because they don't like the &quot;surge&quot; plan.&nbsp; Nice double standard.</p><p>But not to leave Bush out of the criticism, I want to also point out that the outgoing commander, General Casey is being nominated by the President to be the Army Chief of Staff.&nbsp; The old saying must be true with Bush: &quot;You fuck up, you move up&quot;&nbsp; How dumb is it to promote the guy who was running the show when it all went bad to be the head muckity muck of the U.S Army?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And those two reasons I submitted are symptoms of why we are going to LOSE in Iraq:&nbsp; It's all about the politics and&nbsp;which party will control the White House in 2008.</p>

[Midkiff]

<p>Wiser words were never spoken.</p><p>Iraq = arabic for &quot;Vietnam&quot;</p>

[MrPink]

A war like this is almost impossible to win unless you want to take out everything that walks. The military has alot of interesting weapons they can use, but they are expensive so they don't want to use them.

[Marc with a c]

#3 those scary big spiders

[FezPaul]

<strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">#4 The smell</font></strong>

[Dudeman]

cheney and the neocons know they have lost.&nbsp; the goal is to extand the mess until the next administration.&nbsp; then, if and when the next administration has to pull out and we don't have a win (whatever the fuck a win means), they can say that those who pulled out are the losers.

[mikeyboy]

<p>#5 Lionel Ritchie</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Wait, I might be off topic.</p>

[Snacks]

<strong>Dudeman</strong> wrote:<br />cheney and the neocons know they have lost.&nbsp; the goal is to extand the mess until the next administration.&nbsp; then, if and when the next administration has to pull out and we don't have a win (whatever the fuck a win means), they can say that those who pulled out are the losers. <p>I agree with you on this. Its a similar thing to the huge deficit we have, once the new administration takes over and has to raise taxes to cover all the spending Bush and his boys did. The republicans will once again say see the dems raise taxes, our economy is this or that because of the dems, etc. </p><p>The first 2-3 years for our next president will have to cut spending and raise taxes just to get us out of debt. Hopefully people are smart enought to understand the burden this current presient has put on the country.</p>

[Wallower]

<p>What Iraq really needs is a leader who can take the people by the balls and impose his will. A leader who is prepared to talk to his people in the only language they understand, religious fear and violence. It would have to be someone cagey enough to make the western world a little uneasy while still being a known quantity. Oh, wait a minute... we hunted that guy and then popped his neck.</p><p>Nice move. What the braniacs in Washington didn't seem to understand about this whole thing is, while all people are all equal, they are not the same. Not all cultures want fucking WalMarts in their back yards.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Wallower on 2-9-07 @ 12:20 AM</span>

[FUNKMAN]

<p>#6&nbsp;&nbsp; Yerdaddy once lived there</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" /></p>

[scottinnj]

<strong>Dudeman</strong> wrote:<br />cheney and the neocons know they have lost.&nbsp; the goal is to extand the mess until the next administration.&nbsp; then, if and when the next administration has to pull out and we don't have a win (whatever the fuck a win means), they can say that those who pulled out are the losers. <p>Can't argue with that.&nbsp; Ever since Bush got his pants pulled down by Katrina he has been scrambling in the legacy-building department, but now the emperor has no clothes.&nbsp; </p><p>When he stopped making decisions based on what was the right thing, and started making decisions based on polls and headlines, he became a failure.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[FezPaul]

<strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">#7 Camel poop everywhere</font></strong>

[MrPink]

<p>As far as taxes go, we should drastically cut spending. Our tax dollars go to making people dependant on the government.</p><p>Anyhoo, I just got a great idea, how about we reverse what got us into this mess. Break Iraq up into several different countries. When you lump groups of people that don't like each other, violence is created. </p>

[Kevin]

<font size="3"><strong>#1</strong></font> losing even more trust in the region by invading for fake reasons and getting caught doing it.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 2-9-07 @ 12:54 AM</span>

[FezPaul]

<strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">#8 The sand gets in everything</font></strong>

[Marc with a c]

#9 amphibians

[FUNKMAN]

<font size="3"><strong>#9&nbsp;&nbsp; Love Potion</strong></font>

[FUNKMAN]

<strong>Marc with a c</strong> wrote:<br />#9 amphibians <p>you have to take that back -LOL</p><p>you young hipsters are too quick but i'm leaving mine anyway</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Kevin]

<font size="3"><strong>#10 </strong>Humidity</font>

[MellySmelly]

#11 go boil yer bottom

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by MellySmelly on 2-9-07 @ 1:01 AM</span>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3"><strong>#9 Love Potion</strong></font><p>&nbsp;tee hee. </p>

[FUNKMAN]

<font size="3">#12&nbsp; drummers drummin</font>

[Kevin]

<font size="4"><strong>#13</strong></font> Arod, He gets blamed for everything else, so why not this too.

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 2-9-07 @ 1:09 AM</span>

[scottinnj]

I don't see why not.&nbsp; ARod wrote a stupid book anyway.&nbsp; Who wants a kids book from him?&nbsp; Just sign the ball stupid.

[FezPaul]

<strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">#14 Showboatin' Pete Rose</font></strong>

[Wallower]

<p><strong>#15</strong></p><p>&nbsp;<img src="http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9482/434mju5.jpg" border="0" width="400" height="331" /></p><p>Sand Worms&nbsp;</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>#16</p><p>These guys get pissed off when we accidentally carpet bomb their banthas.</p><p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Tuskenraider.jpg/180px-Tuskenraider.jpg" border="0" width="180" height="252" /></p>

[FezPaul]

<strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">#17 Inbreds</font></strong>

[Yerdaddy]

<strong>scottinnj</strong> wrote:<br /><p>It's all about the politics now.</p><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246582,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/pentagon">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246582,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/pentagon</a></p><p>The link above talks about how the U.S. Senate has approved the nomination and promotion of General Patraeus to be the new commander of the Iraq war.&nbsp; He is going in under orders from the commander-in-chief to increase troop levels and &quot;surge&quot; our way out of the mess we are in right now.&nbsp; At the same time, the Senate is doing all it can to keep the money and resources out of his hands because they don't like the &quot;surge&quot; plan.&nbsp; Nice double standard.</p><p>But not to leave Bush out of the criticism, I want to also point out that the outgoing commander, General Casey is being nominated by the President to be the Army Chief of Staff.&nbsp; The old saying must be true with Bush: &quot;You fuck up, you move up&quot;&nbsp; How dumb is it to promote the guy who was running the show when it all went bad to be the head muckity muck of the U.S Army?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And those two reasons I submitted are symptoms of why we are going to LOSE in Iraq:&nbsp; It's all about the politics and&nbsp;which party will control the White House in 2008.</p><p>I don't quite understand how the dems get blame here. Bush is going to give whoever they nominate orders to carry out the surge. So unless the surge was exclusively this&nbsp;guy's idea in the first place then I don't see why they should blame him for it and not nominate him. </p><p>I'd also say this &quot;surge&quot; policy is still a minor issue at this point. It's really just a last ditch effort that's unlikely to make much of a difference according to the guys who came up with the idea in the first place. I certainly wouldn't tolerate any politician punishing uniformed military for the success or failure of the &quot;surge&quot; strategy. </p><p>And the fact is we lost this war a long time ago. I'd say we lost it in early 2004 when we decided to delay the assault on Fallujah until after the election and then when we did conduct the attack a week after the election&nbsp;<em>we pretended it was still a surprise! </em>That was the first time I lost all hope. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020801680_pf.html" target="_blank">We might have lost in late 2003 when we decided we could torture our way into defeating the insurgency. How'd <em>that</em> work out for us?</a></p><p>More importantly, if we now decide to spread the blame around rather than putting it solely on the Bush&nbsp;adminstration and their supporters and mouthpieces we'll only be guaranteeing that we will do this again.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Yerdaddy on 2-9-07 @ 2:49 AM</span>

[Yerdaddy]

<strong><font size="2"># 18&nbsp;- damn generic viagra!</font></strong>

[waltermitty]

<p><font size="3">Number 19 and 20..Probably should be 1 and 2...</font></p><p><font size="3">These Guys...&nbsp;</font></p><p><img src="http://barcelona.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/9/bush_face.jpg" border="0" width="346" height="450" />&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiY_I8xFRZwA3g6jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12ktlrot9/EXP=1171092671/**http%3A//insomniahaiku.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/cheney.jpg" border="0" width="450" height="321" />&nbsp;</p>

[Wallower]

<p><strong>#21</strong></p><p>&nbsp;The Minatour Rider told me to.</p><p><img src="http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2444/minitourrider03zj8.jpg" border="0" width="400" height="265" />&nbsp;</p>

[patsopinion]

<p>iraq is old news</p><p>how are we going to do in IRAN is the real question buddayzzzzz.</p><p>holla&nbsp;</p>

[waltermitty]

<strong>patsopinion</strong> wrote:<br /><p>iraq is old news</p><p><font size="2"><strong>how are we going to do in IRAN is the real question</strong></font> buddayzzzzz.</p><p>holla </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I feel that all this is leading to the start of&nbsp; WWIII... This could get shitty... Nukes ended WWII and they will probably start WWIII. </p><p>My question is, can we win against China if the &quot;fit hits the shan&quot;?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That war would be nothing like the average American hayseed could imagine....Draft, Rations, Casualties on US soil, etc.. etc...&nbsp;</p>

[A.J.]

<strong><font size="1">Two Reason Why we will LOSE in Iraq.</font></strong> <p>&nbsp;I thought we already HAD lost.</p><strong>scottinnj</strong> wrote:<br /><p>But not to leave Bush out of the criticism, I want to also point out that the outgoing commander, General Casey is being nominated by the President to be the Army Chief of Staff.&nbsp; The old saying must be true with Bush: &quot;You fuck up, you move up&quot;&nbsp; How dumb is it to promote the guy who was running the show when it all went bad to be the head muckity muck of the U.S Army? </p><p>I've given a name to that phenomenon: &quot;Promotion through incompetence&quot;.&nbsp; That's just the way things work in government:&nbsp; somebody is a shitty employee or a pain in the ass...promote them and make them someone else's problem.</p>

[Chigworthy]

<p><font size="4">#22 There is <em>no</em> number 22.</font></p><p><img src="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/sep1_python_bruces_wattle.jpg" border="0" width="360" height="254" /></p>

[Earlshog]

<p>now batting number 23 Don Mattingly</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2000/0706/photo/s_mattingly.jpg" border="0" width="150" height="250" /></p>

[Furtherman]

24. No Jack Bauer in real life.

[Jughead]

24### Shortage of laundy detergent...

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by jughead46041 on 2-9-07 @ 11:29 AM</span>

[ChimneyFish]

<strong><em><font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">#26 Rex Grossman</font></em></strong>

[buckcorncobb]

<p><em>#27 Donald Rumsfeld-'the weapons are north,south,east and west, of Bagdad..we know where they are''</em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>nice pick--BONE HEAD</em></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by buckcorncobb on 2-9-07 @ 11:44 AM</span>

[ChimneyFish]

<strong><em><font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">#28 The Philly sports curse</font></em></strong>

[Earlshog]

#29 Ashlee Simpson

[busybeeman]

<strong>scottinnj</strong> wrote:<br /><p>It's all about the politics now.</p><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246582,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/pentagon">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246582,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/pentagon</a></p><p>The link above talks about how the U.S. Senate has approved the nomination and promotion of General Patraeus to be the new commander of the Iraq war.&nbsp; He is going in under orders from the commander-in-chief to increase troop levels and &quot;surge&quot; our way out of the mess we are in right now.&nbsp; At the same time, the Senate is doing all it can to keep the money and resources out of his hands because they don't like the &quot;surge&quot; plan.&nbsp; Nice double standard.</p><p>But not to leave Bush out of the criticism, I want to also point out that the outgoing commander, General Casey is being nominated by the President to be the Army Chief of Staff.&nbsp; The old saying must be true with Bush: &quot;You fuck up, you move up&quot;&nbsp; How dumb is it to promote the guy who was running the show when it all went bad to be the head muckity muck of the U.S Army?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And those two reasons I submitted are symptoms of why we are going to LOSE in Iraq:&nbsp; It's all about the politics and&nbsp;which party will control the White House in 2008.</p><p><strong>Greed.</strong>&nbsp; The very wealthy and rich trying to get wealthier and richer.&nbsp; All this while the middle class and lower class spills blood.&nbsp; Old game.&nbsp; Even during the American Revolutionary War the rich had flunkies dying for them.&nbsp; A lot of GI's have been against this bs from the start:</p><p><a href="http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/11/10_400.html">http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/11/10_400.html</a></p>

[busybeeman]

<p>Poor folks have been dying for the rich in America <em>ever since the American Revolutionary War</em>:</p><p><a href="http://www.libertyfunddc.org/history3.htm">http://www.libertyfunddc.org/history3.htm</a></p>

[Earlshog]

<strong>busybeeman</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Poor folks have been dying for the rich in America <em>ever since the American Revolutionary War</em>:</p><p><a href="http://www.libertyfunddc.org/history3.htm">http://www.libertyfunddc.org/history3.htm</a></p><p>have they</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>#30 myspace</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>ChimneyFish</strong> wrote:<br /><strong><em><font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">#28 <strike>The</strike> Philly <strike>sports curse</strike></font></em></strong><p>&nbsp;Fixed!</p>

[Dougie Brootal]

<p># 31 &amp; # 32...</p><p>blacks and jews!</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by douggrasso on 2-9-07 @ 12:52 PM</span>

[Kevin]

<p>#33 </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Mexicans.... They went to Iraq and took all the jobs that Iraqie's don't want to do.. But the landscaping has really started to improve.. The dust dirt and sand looks great! </p> <span class="post_edited"></span>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Kevin on 2-9-07 @ 12:55 PM</span>

[Bellyfullasnot]

I thought #33 would be the Rolling iRock beer commercial that got pulled.&nbsp;

[Dougie Brootal]

<strong>Bellyfullasnot</strong> wrote:<br />I thought #33 would be the Rolling iRock beer commercial that got pulled.&nbsp; <p>no that was 43</p>

[Furtherman]

34. Billy Staples performs for our troops.

[RoseBlood]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:<br />34. Billy Staples performs for our troops. <p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />&nbsp; Top O' The Pyramid</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<a href="http://www.yahoo.com/s/512237">Blair to announce Iraq withdrawal plan</a><dl class="inline"><dt><br /></dt></dl>

[high fly]

<strong>patsopinion</strong> wrote:<br /><p>iraq is old news</p><p>how are we going to do in IRAN is the real question buddayzzzzz.</p><p>holla&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">We're bluffing Iran.</font></p><p><font size="2">We had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get troops for the &quot;Surge,&quot; who are we gonna send into Iran?</font></p><p><font size="2">And how many troops will be needed to protect supply lines going through the Zagroz Mountains?</font></p><p><font size="2">And who will quell the largely quiescent and unfortunately named Shiites in Iraq when they go apeshit when we invade Iran?</font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[SatCam]

35. busybeeman

[high fly]

<p><font size="2">Being the computer dunce that I am, I can't do the &quot;link&quot; thing, but direct the gentle reader to &quot;Postwar Window Closing in Iraq, Study Says <em>More Funds, International Force Recommended to Improve Security Situation,&quot;</em> by Vernon Loeb, <em>Washington Post,</em> July 18, <strong>2003,</strong> page A9.</font></p><p><font size="2">It opens with:</font>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">&quot;A team of outside experts dispatched by the Pentagon to assess security and reconstruction operations in Iraq reported yesterday that <strong>the window of opportunity for achieving postwar success is closing and requires immediate and dramatic action by U.S. military and civilian personnel....</strong>..</font></p><p><font size="2">&quot;.... the report represents a comprehensive independent assessment of conditions there, both in terms of security and reconstruction....</font></p><p><font size="2">&quot;It implicitly faults the administration for failing to adequately involve the international community and the United Nations in reconstruction activities....</font></p><p><font size="2">&quot;The report noted &quot;significant progress&quot; but said <strong>&quot;the next 12 months will be decisive.....&quot;</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>&quot;Experts singled out security as Iraq's primary problem and said &quot;volatile&quot; conditions must be dealt with over the next three months to prevent the window of opportunity for success from closing.&quot;</strong></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p>

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[BLZBUBBA]

<p>Two reasons why we'll lose in Iraq?&nbsp;&nbsp;Here are two reasons we've&nbsp;already won.&nbsp; We went in for WMDs and for regime change.&nbsp; WMDs=NONE&nbsp; Regime Change=DONE.&nbsp; So the question=Why are we still there?&nbsp; The answer to that question would get close to why we invaded in the first place.&nbsp; It certainly wasn't for the reasons stated.&nbsp; If it was we wouldn't still be there.</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<p>I've given a name to that phenomenon: &quot;Promotion through incompetence&quot;. That's just the way things work in government: somebody is a shitty employee or a pain in the ass...promote them and make them someone else's problem.</p>And firing someone is admitting you made a mistake hiring them in the first place. And everyone knows that people in Washington are <em>so smart</em>, they <em>never </em>make mistakes. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<font size="3">#36 We never sent Yerdaddy with his bazooka. One look at him and those pesky insurgents would run like little girls. <br /></font>&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p>