is it just me or does Earl really stink? [Archive]

Jaysin

02-09-2007, 09:09 PM

I have listened to the show since the wnew days, I was never really a board person until recently, and mostly because i like making ron and fez art.... but one thing has been driving me crazy lately..... when i first started listening, i hated al dukes..and of course after a little while ronny made the genius of al dukes shine, the same happend for me with staples, and dave. (even though that staples christmas album makes me want to destroy my radio everytime they play a song....) but earl.....earl isn't funny. he doesn't play up a bit, and it genuinely seems like he is always fucking up, ronnie and fezzy and dave make the earl fuckups seem funny, but still it just seems he stinks?  just me or am i failing to see the beauty of this one?

furie

02-09-2007, 09:18 PM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/furie1335/userbar/Black_Earl_Fan.jpg

Fezticle98

02-09-2007, 09:23 PM

I find humor in his uncomfortability. He's not gag-funny like Dave is, but he's so awkward trying to defend himself or fit in that it's hilarious.

tele7

02-09-2007, 09:27 PM

Like him or not, I'll bet he knows who played Coronet on Vital Steps.

Jaysin

02-09-2007, 09:41 PM

fezticle98 wrote: I find humor in his uncomfortability. He's not gag-funny like Dave is, but he's so awkward trying to defend himself or fit in that it's hilarious.i admit it can be funny at times, but usually he does the same things, occasionally he will do something out of the ordinary though.

hotshot70

02-10-2007, 12:28 AM

If I acted like Earl at my job, I'd be fired so fast. Could it be just because its "Black History Month" and Earl would threaten to play the race card? Maybe as soon as February is over, so is Earl's job? To get a 3.1 rating (lowest ever given before a 3.0)  and still pass, that is screwed. When can I apply? I used to work as a DJ, so I have a little experience.

cal5000

02-10-2007, 06:57 AM

hotshot70 wrote: If I acted like Earl at my job, I'd be fired so fast. Could it be just because its "Black History Month" and Earl would threaten to play the race card? Maybe as soon as February is over, so is Earl's job? To get a 3.1 rating (lowest ever given before a 3.0)  and still pass, that is screwed. When can I apply? I used to work as a DJ, so I have a little experience. Thats stupid--this is a business not 3rd grade. Have you heard Dave try to run the show--its even worse.They both need to go away. Theyre dead weight.But Earl is a twisted fucking mess which is quite enjoyable.

This message was edited by cal5000 on 2-10-07 @ 10:57 AM

yomudder21

02-10-2007, 07:05 AM

It is very funny how Ron takes every single thing Earl does and puts it on the air, but you can tell the things Earl does is not a bit and he really does stink.When you have random callers and friends of the show telling him to please return an email, as an example, you can tell he is just not getting his job done.  And his inability to defend himself or speak in a leadership role is the funniest.  He tells himself in his brain all the time to respond with positivity and assertiveness but then never follows through.  Hence the 'definitely' line he uses all the time.Earl is such a nice guy but too bad he is a board op.

Rockvillejoe

02-10-2007, 07:12 AM

"familiarity breeds contempt". i spend more time listening to these guys everyday then i spend with my own family. earl has become somewhat contemptable, but the rest are still as fresh as the first day i tuned them in. it's fun to dissect every word, nuance, and response.  as a result of spending everyday with earl via xm, the gentle, slick, urban coolcat that was introduced to us xmers last year has transformed into a semi-bumbling, gulping, insecure shell of his former self. i admit that my initial admiration for BE has been changed to a degree. in his defense, it's probably brutal having every potential screw up broadcasted for villification. as a result, he attempts to cover up his incompetence by pointing the finger or literally erasing his misdeeds.BE states the cause of his incompetence is usually esd, a frozen mouse, or he is light headed. as easy as his job seems to me, i bet in reality it's a real ball buster, high pressure type of deal. in addition, he has to deal with a staff that isn't supportive, deservedly so or not. tough to be successful when the team is playing as indivduals in any venue, be it sports, business or entertainment. i don't think he really likes the people around him, at all. one example. its subtle but telling how he really feels about esd: ron b suggests to esd, fw, and earl that they should all go get a drink to help esd through his relationship troubles, fw says yes, when mr b asks earl, "earl how about going to a bar and have few drinks to help esd?". earls response was, "i'll have a few drinks"...period, not i'll help support dave, or sure i'll have a few for esd....he agreed to have a drink, but not for the sake of esd, and the kicker, he never appeared, claiming too much paperwork. i think a lot of this is show filler, and great, amusing show filler, but then i think about harry and how they got on him the same way. and where's harry now? Despite this, it really is hard to tell from a listener's perspective, because if his staff doesn't like him, they can make him look real bad, a lot worse then he really is. on balance, in my worthless opinion, he is am asset to the show, and thinking about not hearing him and his gulps and his unintentional ability to make fw laugh would be sorely missed. fw gets the biggest kick out of earls defensive responses.

yomudder21

02-10-2007, 07:20 AM

I have to say Rockville Joe gave a very detailed and well written response to this thread.I have to agree with all of what you said but what bugs me about us nicely trying to pat Earl on the back while still seeing that something is wrong, is the fac that he has been in radio his entire life.  He has never had another job besides radio.It is like a guy working in the warehouse for 15 years, knowing everyone in the place and exactly how the operations runs, then fails as soon as he is promoted to foreman.  Why is that?

Billy Staples

02-10-2007, 07:28 AM

yomudder21 wrote: I have to say Rockville Joe gave a very detailed and well written response to this thread.I have to agree with all of what you said but what bugs me about us nicely trying to pat Earl on the back while still seeing that something is wrong, is the fac that he has been in radio his entire life.  He has never had another job besides radio.It is like a guy working in the warehouse for 15 years, knowing everyone in the place and exactly how the operations runs, then fails as soon as he is promoted to foreman.  Why is that?  check out something called the Peter principle...for real.  I believe it says something along the likes of a man will only succeed as much as his ability to handle responsibility lets him.   I think its something to that effect....I'm paraphrasing from a banged up memory....but if not what i wrote does apply could it be another...Staplet?__________________________________________________ __________________________________________  OK...I actually found a definition among many.  I actually only confused the word 'responsibility' with incompetence....which actually makes more sense.  It says: Many have observed that individuals perform worse after having received a promotion.The most famous statement of the idea is the Peter Principle, which states that people are promoted to their level of incompetence.source: <a href="http://client.norc.org/jole/SOLEweb/lazear.pdf">http://client.norc.org/jole/SOLEweb/lazear.pdf</a>__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________Please...do not confuse this with the new Staplet....the 'Earl Principle'. which states: If a person hangs around people who are working long enough and the 'Earl' of your workplace laughs and kisses ass enough, with the talent with whom he worked with or at a similar location to. In turn leaves only 2 options to the side the employed must make with him. (in the case of choice #1, that responsibility, than lies with the new show said slacker was passed on to.  This is of course not what or who they wanted, but in 'pop culture terminology 'he fit the suit' and worked for peanuts like elephants, sloths or monkeys in a zoo.1- pass him off to the next show on board2- hire him yourself for your show ex:" Opie and Anthony" (this is unlikely and has not ever been seen, it is mostly based on theory) 3-  Call the police  and have him arrested for felony trespass, improper use of the affirmative action and or Minority discrimination in the workplace act. ( section supplied for quick reference).  If the person in question uses his minority status in his name, he is than on equal status with all employees of all race creed color, sexual orientation, age, disability and talent.3A- If talent level is not equal, fire his lazy, slacking, hanger on assmanagement section removed due to prior trade paper or online interview slaming past management.  Even though situation may be similar...some obvious things need not be stated for personal reasons

This message was edited by Billy Staples on 2-10-07 @ 12:20 PM

Jughead

02-10-2007, 07:35 AM

telecaster7 wrote: Like him or not, I'll bet he knows who played Coronet on Vital Steps.   Or slide on LAYLA

Jaysin

02-10-2007, 11:06 AM

Rockvillejoe wrote: "familiarity breeds contempt". i spend more time listening to these guys everyday then i spend with my own family. earl has become somewhat contemptable, but the rest are still as fresh as the first day i tuned them in. it's fun to dissect every word, nuance, and response. as a result of spending everyday with earl via xm, the gentle, slick, urban coolcat that was introduced to us xmers last year has transformed into a semi-bumbling, gulping, insecure shell of his former self. i admit that my initial admiration for BE has been changed to a degree. in his defense, it's probably brutal having every potential screw up broadcasted for villification. as a result, he attempts to cover up his incompetence by pointing the finger or literally erasing his misdeeds.BE states the cause of his incompetence is usually esd, a frozen mouse, or he is light headed. as easy as his job seems to me, i bet in reality it's a real ball buster, high pressure type of deal. in addition, he has to deal with a staff that isn't supportive, deservedly so or not. tough to be successful when the team is playing as indivduals in any venue, be it sports, business or entertainment. i don't think he really likes the people around him, at all. one example. its subtle but telling how he really feels about esd: ron b suggests to esd, fw, and earl that they should all go get a drink to help esd through his relationship troubles, fw says yes, when mr b asks earl, "earl how about going to a bar and have few drinks to help esd?". earls response was, "i'll have a few drinks"...period, not i'll help support dave, or sure i'll have a few for esd....he agreed to have a drink, but not for the sake of esd, and the kicker, he never appeared, claiming too much paperwork. i think a lot of this is show filler, and great, amusing show filler, but then i think about harry and how they got on him the same way. and where's harry now? Despite this, it really is hard to tell from a listener's perspective, because if his staff doesn't like him, they can make him look real bad, a lot worse then he really is. on balance, in my worthless opinion, he is am asset to the show, and thinking about not hearing him and his gulps and his unintentional ability to make fw laugh would be sorely missed. fw gets the biggest kick out of earls defensive responses.  i hear ya. and like i said ronnie takes earls flop sweat and makes it enjoyable for us all. but I do like Earl and i agree they have broken him since he first started on xm, it really does seem two gigs is getting to earl and to a smaller degree even dave,  but RB and FW seem to get better and better even though they are working longer.

Jaysin

02-10-2007, 11:09 AM

Billy Staples wrote: yomudder21 wrote: I have to say Rockville Joe gave a very detailed and well written response to this thread.I have to agree with all of what you said but what bugs me about us nicely trying to pat Earl on the back while still seeing that something is wrong, is the fac that he has been in radio his entire life. He has never had another job besides radio.It is like a guy working in the warehouse for 15 years, knowing everyone in the place and exactly how the operations runs, then fails as soon as he is promoted to foreman.  Why is that? check out something called the Peter principle...for real. I believe it says something along the likes of a man will only succeed as much as his ability to handle responsibility lets him. I think its something to that effect....I'm paraphrasing from a banged up memory....but if not what i wrote does apply could it be another...Staplet?__________________________________________________ __________________________________________  OK...I actually found a definition among many. I actually only confused the word 'responsibility' with incompetence....which actually makes more sense. It says: Many have observed that individuals perform worse after having received a promotion.The most famous statement of the idea is the Peter Principle, which states that people are promoted to their level of incompetence.source: <a href="http://client.norc.org/jole/SOLEweb/lazear.pdf">http://client.norc.org/jole/SOLEweb/lazear.pdf</a>__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________Please...do not confuse this with the new Staplet....the 'Earl Principle'. which states: If a person hangs around people who are working long enough and the 'Earl' of your workplace laughs and kisses ass enough, with the talent with whom he worked with or at a similar location to. In turn leaves only 2 options to the side the employed must make with him. (in the case of choice #1, that responsibility, than lies with the new show said slacker was passed on to. This is of course not what or who they wanted, but in 'pop culture terminology 'he fit the suit' and worked for peanuts like elephants, sloths or monkeys in a zoo.1- pass him off to the next show on board2- hire him yourself for your show ex:" Opie and Anthony" (this is unlikely and has not ever been seen, it is mostly based on theory) 3- Call the police and have him arrested for felony trespass, improper use of the affirmative action and or Minority discrimination in the workplace act. ( section supplied for quick reference). If the person in question uses his minority status in his name, he is than on equal status with all employees of all race creed color, sexual orientation, age, disability and talent.3A- If talent level is not equal, fire his lazy, slacking, hanger on assmanagement section removed due to prior trade paper or online interview slaming past management. Even though situation may be similar...some obvious things need not be stated for personal reasons This message was edited by Billy Staples on 2-10-07 @ 12:20 PM&nbs

lleeder

02-10-2007, 11:20 AM

I have grown tired of Earl. I think that we are supposed to hate him now. East Side as a heel only lasts so long. Earl sucking is important to the show. Look back over the course of this week all the old Earl fucking up bits they played on O&A. They are classic. There are no Earl's a competant good guy bits that are classic. He's at his best when we fucking can't stand him. So Earl stinks and I'm loving it.

deliciousV

02-10-2007, 11:37 AM

My wife wouldn't swallow when she was my girlfriend 24 yrs ago, she wouldn't swallow when we were engaged, she won't swallow now 24 yrs later. I don't bitch, I knew what I was getting. After hearing "Earl week" on the O&A worst of's last week can anyone really think that Ron and Fez didn't know what they were getting? Do we doubt the genious of the buddays? "Bring a joke or be a joke" , Earl doesn't stink, he just doesn't know any jokes.  (swallow, spit, what do I care? just get it out of me)

sailor

02-10-2007, 11:38 AM

on a 5 point scale, isn't 3 average?  earl is competent at his job (listen whenever dave is put in charge of running things [dead air as he searches for songs, etc]) and he plays a good on-air simp.  he has a defined role and perfoms it well on all levels.

Dan 'Hampton

02-10-2007, 01:15 PM

BRING BACK AL DUKES!Join my petition.

lleeder

02-10-2007, 01:17 PM

In school a C average sucks ass. If I got straight C's my parents would have been pissed.Its passing, its not a D, which is passing but its no A. In a 5 point system, 3 has to be around C. If we think Ron and Fez is an A show or a 5, why would a 3 producer be good for the show? If anything I want a 6 producer, to help lift the show to new heights. Not a 3 to make it suck.

Billy Staples

02-10-2007, 06:47 PM

lleeder wrote: In school a C average sucks ass. If I got straight C's my parents would have been pissed.Its passing, its not a D, which is passing but its no A. In a 5 point system, 3 has to be around C. If we think Ron and Fez is an A show or a 5, why would a 3 producer be good for the show? If anything I want a 6 producer, to help lift the show to new heights. Not a 3 to make it suck. Getting a C grade is at best...mediocre. Mediocrity breeeds contempt. you aren't getting to the top again in NY being mediocre def: Mediocrity breeds contempt.  High performers do not want to work with slackers.  Hiring a run-of-the-mill person will bring down your good employees who will have to carry most of the load for them.  Super employees will start to resent management for hiring such a loser.  Losing your competitive advantage.  Your people are your competitive advantage.  Mr. Mediocre will come in late, expect the employer to understand her problems and not give a lick about the business issues.  Ms. Mediocre will also work at a slower pace, thereby bringing productivity down.  How much more does the high performer contribute to your bottom line as opposed to Ms. Mediocre?  It may be hard to measure, but it is very easy to see.  Great companies are not built with mediocre people.  Enough said.(Editors note: see Stock declining price for last year minimum)The good companies must become very creative and forward thinking to attract the people they need to produce high quality work.  Take the time necessary to find the type of person you need.  Involve other employees and communicate the issues you are having with filling job openings.  Ask them how they can redistribute the work or for ideas on others ways they can get the work done in a timely manner.  <div align="justify">Hiring second rate employees means paying someone to bring your organization down.  Let your competitors hire Mr. and Ms. Mediocre</div>

Billy Staples

02-10-2007, 07:07 PM

Jaysin wrote:  Staples is that you? how ya feeling guy? nice icon who is it?Hell yeah...it's me....alive and kickin still.  I got a few parts in the wrong places and a few more parts on back order for the body, but it's getting there...as long as God makes Doctors  prescription pads and places the 2 together with a pen, getting better every day.  Than again, I couldn't really tell ya this stuff is so strong, I could be like that Chinese guy in Tienanmen Square standing in front of the tank and get run over and probably wouldn't feel it, just might notice a change in how my clothes fit  That icon is the vivacious and lovely and in season 1 dressed quite sluttely...Kim Bauer from the show <img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:QPGdspBrkAPeKM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/thumb/b/b6/24tv.jpg/274px-24tv.jpg" border="0" width="113" height="64" /> She plays Jack Bauer's (Kieffer Sutherland) daughter  In real life, she is the actress Elisha Cuthbert....recently voted one of the hottest chicks in Hollywood list or something like that.....I can't argue<img src="http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/koolstuffs/celebz/elisha-cuthbert/toro/elisha-cuthbert-toro-2.jpg" border="0" width="324" height="348" />Staples

This message was edited by Billy Staples on 2-11-07 @ 5:58 PM

epo

02-10-2007, 07:11 PM

Billy Staples wrote: lleeder wrote: In school a C average sucks ass. If I got straight C's my parents would have been pissed.Its passing, its not a D, which is passing but its no A. In a 5 point system, 3 has to be around C. If we think Ron and Fez is an A show or a 5, why would a 3 producer be good for the show? If anything I want a 6 producer, to help lift the show to new heights. Not a 3 to make it suck. Getting a C grade is at best...mediocre. Mediocrity breeeds contempt. you aren't getting to the top again in NY being mediocre def: Mediocrity breeds contempt.  High performers do not want to work with slackers.  Hiring a run-of-the-mill person will bring down your good employees who will have to carry most of the load for them.  Super employees will start to resent management for hiring such a loser.  Losing your competitive advantage.  Your people are your competitive advantage.  Mr. Mediocre will come in late, expect the employer to understand her problems and not give a lick about the business issues.  Ms. Mediocre will also work at a slower pace, thereby bringing productivity down.  How much more does the high performer contribute to your bottom line as opposed to Ms. Mediocre?  It may be hard to measure, but it is very easy to see.  Great companies are not built with mediocre people.  Enough said.(Editors note: see Stock declining price for last year minimum)The good companies must become very creative and forward thinking to attract the people they need to produce high quality work.  Take the time necessary to find the type of person you need.  Involve other employees and communicate the issues you are having with filling job openings.  Ask them how they can redistribute the work or for ideas on others ways they can get the work done in a timely manner.  * align="justify">Hiring second rate employees means paying someone to bring your organization down.  Let your competitors hire Mr. and Ms. Mediocre Billy you forgot to credit your source.  <a href="http://www.mckenziehr.com/enews/june2006.htm">Link here</a>.

Jaysin

02-10-2007, 07:57 PM

dschef wrote: BRING BACK AL DUKES!Join my petition.  i second that motion........gay foozball pants peeing vs. incompetent fainting goat....al gets my vote every time.

Jaysin

02-10-2007, 07:59 PM

Billy Staples wrote: Jaysin wrote: Staples is that you? how ya feeling guy? nice icon who is it?Hell yeah...it's me....aliove and kickin still. I got afew parts in the wrong placesanda few more parts on back order for the body, but it's getting there...as long as God makes Doctors prescription pads and places the 2 togetheer with a pen, getting better every day. Than again, I couldn't really tell yathis stuff is so strong, I could be like that chinese guy in Tienamen Square standing in front of the tank and get run over and probably wouldnt feel it, justmight notice a change in how my clothes fit  That icon isthe vivacious and lovely and in season 1 dressed quite sluttely...Kim Bauer from the show <img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:QPGdspBrkAPeKM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/thumb/b/b6/24tv.jpg/274px-24tv.jpg" border="0" width="113" height="64" /> She plays Jack Bauer's (kiefer Sutherland) daughter  In real lfe, she is the qactress Elisha Cuthbert....recently voted one of the hottest chicks in Hollywood list or something like that.....I can't argue<img src="http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/koolstuffs/celebz/elisha-cuthbert/toro/elisha-cuthbert-toro-2.jpg" border="0" width="324" height="348" />Staples oh yeah i see it's her now...the girl next door.....mmmm yay!

OGC

02-10-2007, 08:04 PM

PopPop

02-11-2007, 12:02 PM

Jaysin wrote:  I have listened to the show since the wnew days, I was never really a board person until recently, and mostly because i like making ron and fez art.... but one thing has been driving me crazy lately..... when i first started listening, i hated al dukes..and of course after a little while ronny made the genius of al dukes shine, the same happend for me with staples, and dave. (even though that staples christmas album makes me want to destroy my radio everytime they play a song....) but earl.....earl isn't funny. he doesn't play up a bit, and it genuinely seems like he is always fucking up, ronnie and fezzy and dave make the earl fuckups seem funny, but still it just seems he stinks?  just me or am i failing to see the beauty of this one?I think it might be just you. I think Earl is funny. It may be just be me but If everyone was the same you'd be so bored you couldn't stand it

Kilgores Feet

02-11-2007, 12:16 PM

nice pilkington avatar. my only problem with earl is that he never goes with a bit. i mean, that would be a bit in itself, i guess, if only he could do it with confidence. he pretty much just echos ron 100% of the time. i hope he really does the drag thing at the fight. otherwise, it will be another case of everyone is willing to put out for the show but earl.

Rockvillejoe

02-11-2007, 01:00 PM

i listened to the show again today regarding his 3.1 result, and tell me if i'm wrong, but mr b gave him atotal average of  2.1 and fw gave him a total average of 2.0. somehow fw averaged that to a 3.1. 3.1? that's 2.05 or something like that, it's also the grade letter equivelant of a D

Kilgores Feet

02-11-2007, 04:48 PM

well, the 3.1 was his actual evaluation.the fw/rb evals have nothing to do with the numbers he gets from wiki/xm right?

Rockvillejoe

02-11-2007, 04:52 PM

Kilgore's Feet wrote: well, the 3.1 was his actual evaluation.the fw/rb evals have nothing to do with the numbers he gets from wiki/xm right? i don't think so. he had not gone in to see wikki yet,and check the tape, ron:2.1 fw: 2.0, check it out!re nothing with the numbers, no, it was just a fun exercise to bust his already pummeled balls. 

This message was edited by Rockvillejoe on 2-11-07 @ 8:54 PM

shittyhambrgers

02-11-2007, 05:20 PM

fezticle98 wrote: I find humor in his uncomfortability. He's not gag-funny like Dave is, but he's so awkward trying to defend himself or fit in that it's hilarious.yeah, i mean, isn't that the bit?  also, everyone on the show has their embarassing stuff talked about on air, but they all take it differently.  earl's just awkward, and it's great.

Brad_Rush

02-11-2007, 05:25 PM

I am an Earl Fan.  I have sent him a few emails and he has always gotten back to me in a reasonable amount of time.  However, he does not seem to be doing a good job on the show recently.  It's like the work has gotten to be too much for him and each day he gets a little farther behind.I want him to leave the job and move on now mostly because I am tired of hearing Ron yelling at him everyday.  Iif Ron really hates the job he does so much he really should just fire him and stop publicly reaming him out on the air every day.Unless of course this is all a bit...

cal5000

02-11-2007, 07:37 PM

Rockvillejoe wrote: "familiarity breeds contempt". i spend more time listening to these guys everyday then i spend with my own family. earl has become somewhat contemptable, but the rest are still as fresh as the first day i tuned them in. it's fun to dissect every word, nuance, and response.  as a result of spending everyday with earl via xm, the gentle, slick, urban coolcat that was introduced to us xmers last year has transformed into a semi-bumbling, gulping, insecure shell of his former self. i admit that my initial admiration for BE has been changed to a degree. in his defense, it's probably brutal having every potential screw up broadcasted for villification. as a result, he attempts to cover up his incompetence by pointing the finger or literally erasing his misdeeds.BE states the cause of his incompetence is usually esd, a frozen mouse, or he is light headed. as easy as his job seems to me, i bet in reality it's a real ball buster, high pressure type of deal. in addition, he has to deal with a staff that isn't supportive, deservedly so or not. tough to be successful when the team is playing as indivduals in any venue, be it sports, business or entertainment. i don't think he really likes the people around him, at all. one example. its subtle but telling how he really feels about esd: ron b suggests to esd, fw, and earl that they should all go get a drink to help esd through his relationship troubles, fw says yes, when mr b asks earl, "earl how about going to a bar and have few drinks to help esd?". earls response was, "i'll have a few drinks"...period, not i'll help support dave, or sure i'll have a few for esd....he agreed to have a drink, but not for the sake of esd, and the kicker, he never appeared, claiming too much paperwork. i think a lot of this is show filler, and great, amusing show filler, but then i think about harry and how they got on him the same way. and where's harry now? Despite this, it really is hard to tell from a listener's perspective, because if his staff doesn't like him, they can make him look real bad, a lot worse then he really is. on balance, in my worthless opinion, he is am asset to the show, and thinking about not hearing him and his gulps and his unintentional ability to make fw laugh would be sorely missed. fw gets the biggest kick out of earls defensive responses. Part of the problem is that Dave is unlikable and an overgrown child. He makes excuses just as much as Earl does and cant even run the board (cause Earl didnt teach him how).Earl knows a shitload about music and actually spends time with Ron outside of the show. No one hangs out with Dave because you wind up babysitting. How many times has Ron told him to stay away from the interns and not to drink at certain appearances or events. Earl shouldve kicked Dave's ass on several occasions and been justified. Not to mention the racial shit Dave pulls. Dave is a creep and a douche plain and simple. R&F are just hard on producers--thats their thing. How many guests has Dave booked? Cause Earl has had some great ones--hes just having trouble right now because of Lilly. 

This message was edited by cal5000 on 2-11-07 @ 11:46 PM

Dash77

02-11-2007, 08:11 PM

I think Earl is good, I like the little bit of back and forth he has with the guys, & he's 10 times better now than he was in the WNEW days, I do think he needs to try harder to be a better producer and delagate things more and trust the people around him, take a lesson from Steve C on how to do it, & he'll be fine...

RMPGP

02-11-2007, 09:08 PM

Dash77 wrote: I think Earl is good, I like the little bit of back and forth he has with the guys, & he's 10 times better now than he was in the WNEW days, I do think he needs to try harder to be a better producer and delagate things more and trust the people around him, take a lesson from Steve C on how to do it, & he'll be fine... Is this Earl posting???That little "back and forth" cool cat brotha man chit chat is long fucking gone.  Now the only back and forth is how bad he has fucked up.   The only reason it wasn't about that sooner is it took a while for his constant web of lies and fuckups to catch up to him.  Earl might be the dumbest human being on this planet.  At least Ronnie crucifying him makes for good radio.  Earl chit chat is the boringest fucking thing in the world unless he's getting yelled at. Earl "delegates" all of his tasks and duties.  At least that's what he says when he gets called out for fucking up.  He needs to do it more?  Steve C isn't even the head producer, I believe Than is the head producer at ONA. And yeah, they need to bring in some fresh blood.How about this, bring in a professional, someone who does everything great, is behind the scenes, you don't hear this person talk, you don't know who this person is.  The anti-Earl.

Kevin

02-11-2007, 09:10 PM

RMPGP wrote: Dash77 wrote: I think Earl is good, I like the little bit of back and forth he has with the guys, & he's 10 times better now than he was in the WNEW days, I do think he needs to try harder to be a better producer and delagate things more and trust the people around him, take a lesson from Steve C on how to do it, & he'll be fine... Is this Earl posting???That little "back and forth" cool cat brotha man chit chat is long fucking gone.  Now the only back and forth is how bad he has fucked up.   The only reason it wasn't about that sooner is it took a while for his constant web of lies and fuckups to catch up to him.  Earl might be the dumbest human being on this planet.  At least Ronnie crucifying him makes for good radio.  Earl chit chat is the boringest fucking thing in the world unless he's getting yelled at. Earl "delegates" all of his tasks and duties.  At least that's what he says when he gets called out for fucking up.  He needs to do it more?  Steve C isn't even the head producer, I believe Than is the head producer at ONA. And yeah, they need to bring in some fresh blood.How about this, bring in a professional, someone who does everything great, is behind the scenes, you don't hear this person talk, you don't know who this person is.  The anti-Earl.I always though E-rock was the head producer of O an A..

FUNKMAN

02-11-2007, 09:14 PM

i've gotten worn out with trying to figure out if it is a bit or not.  i'm leaning towards the conclusion that Ronnie couldn't fire Earl if he wanted to and it's just not his call. He doesn't give Earl his review from the way it seems...

RMPGP

02-11-2007, 09:15 PM

Ben was the EP, he was fired, now it's Than.

Rockvillejoe

02-12-2007, 05:15 AM

screwed up see below

This message was edited by Rockvillejoe on 2-12-07 @ 9:18 AM

Rockvillejoe

02-12-2007, 05:17 AM

cal5000 wrote:   cal5000 wrote: Part of the problem is that Dave is unlikable and an overgrown child. This thread isn't about esd, it's about earl and his inability to be effective and forthcoming. If you want to blame esd for being an instigator, you may have a valid point. Earl knows a shitload about music and actually spends time with Ron outside of the show. So make him the musical director of the show bumpers.Earl shouldve kicked Dave's ass on several occasions and been justified. Earl has shown great restraint, thats to his credit, not detriment.  R&F are just hard on producers--thats their thing. An therein lies the real cause of this. They allow this shit to go on, thereby endorsing such activity. The success or failure of any operation starts from the top, Wikki, R&F. Still, Earl has failed to galvanize his team, instead they seem alienated, he has to change his approach in order to continue. He has to genuinely learn to a accept his team, find common ground, and then move on together to accomplish their tasks.How many guests has Dave booked? Cause Earl has had some great ones--hes just having trouble right now because of Lilly. Don't shit where you eat, rule #1. This guy has made every classic mistake. By now you'd think he would have some experience/knowledge on how to survive other than playing the race card. The frustrating thing to me is that all of these issues can be worked out, with the help of the bosses, r&f. Earl needs to garner their support and endorsement, be honest, accept responsibility when he screws up, focus on each task through it's completion including following up on any tasks delegated, create a team atmosphere, stop dipping his pen in company ink, and enjoy himself. Stay off the air for awhile and re-invent the slick urban coolcat that was an asset to the show. Listeners can spot a bullshit artist from 1000 feet. Just don't lie and roll with the punches, (and send me 2 tickets to the esd fight pronto). 

This message was edited by Rockvillejoe on 2-12-07 @ 11:09 AM