Tim Hardaway hates the gays [Archive] - RonFez.net Messageboard

MJ

02-14-2007, 09:42 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2766213">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2766213</a> Former <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia">Miami Heat</a> guard Tim Hardaway said on a radio show Wednesday afternoon that he would not want a gay player on his team. "You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."Hardaway was a guest of Miami Herald columnist Dan Le Betard on the Miami radio show Sports Talk 790 and was asked how he would deal with a gay teammate. When asked if he would accept an active player's coming out, such as that of retired NBA center <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3063">John Amaechi</a>, Hardaway replied: "First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team.  "And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right. And you know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that," he said. Hardaway later apologized for the remarks during a telephone interview with Fox affiliate WSVN in Miami."Yes, I regret it. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said I hate gay people or anything like that," he said. "That was my mistake."Hardaway, who was in Las Vegas on Tuesday at a pre-All Star Game NBA Cares outreach event, was both a coach and player for the ABA's Florida Pit Bulls in 2006.Hardaway played for five NBA teams from 1990-2003 and was a five-time All-Star. He finished with averages of 17.7 points and 8.2 assists. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. Fantastic.  The audio is on espn.com as well and is just amazing to hear.  Le Betard must have been dancing in the studio when this douche just got instantly cuntish on his show.That's really all I can say about that.

This message was edited by MJ on 2-15-07 @ 1:45 AM

PapaBear

02-14-2007, 09:54 PM

 I get so freaking tired of celebrities apologizing for stuff they've said. It's totally insincere. He didn't say he didn't really hate gays. He said he shouldn't have said it. What he really means is, "I wish I hadn't told people how I really feel, because it's bad for my image".

MrPink

02-14-2007, 11:16 PM

If you hate gays, that's your deal. Everyone has an opinion. Apologizing is pretty gay though. For once, I would like someone to say something like and not apologize. It's like going to rehab after you get caught with a hooker and some blow.

Snacks

02-14-2007, 11:24 PM

its America everyone needs to be sorry for having opinion. I think if you feel a certain way you should have every right to feel and say it. Even if its not the popular thing. I have no problem with people hating someone based on race, sexuality or whatever. I think they are assholes but atleast they stand behind their statements.What has surprised me is this isnt as big a deal as it should be. Is this any better then what krammer said? I would say no. Being a liberal I will agree with some righties on the fact that everything a white person says does get blown up and blown out of propotion. Its not right and it is getting out of hand.

Doctor Z

02-14-2007, 11:51 PM

I always knew he was a good guy.

blakjeezis

02-15-2007, 08:06 AM

Mars: Watch that ugly knuckleball action.Hardaway: I got Skeels.Miss the UTEP two-step.

busybeeman

02-15-2007, 08:25 AM

Here's what should happen:Dennis Rodman<img src="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/05/30/2002293256.jpg" border="0" width="100" height="132" />and Ru Paul<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/15/RuPaul.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="263" />should go to Hardaway's house, and , in front of a camera crew, layeth the smacketh down and deliver a no-holds barred beat-down, while both Rodman and Ru Paul are dressed in drag (Rodman in a wedding dress).  Film score plays YMCA by the Village People.

LilLibra

02-15-2007, 08:29 AM

MrPink wrote: If you hate gays, that's your deal. Everyone has an opinion. Apologizing is pretty gay though. For once, I would like someone to say something like and not apologize. It's like going to rehab after you get caught with a hooker and some blow. Well, there appears to be rehab for homophobes now too so why the hell not?

HBox

02-15-2007, 12:47 PM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ouWlOKkwY&eurl=" target="_blank">Tim Hardaway: If a family member of mine was gay I'd hate them too.</a>I can't say that I respect a bigot of this magnintude but the man has massive balls.

keithy_19

02-15-2007, 01:06 PM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ouWlOKkwY&eurl=" target="_blank">Tim Hardaway: If a family member of mine was gay I'd hate them too.</a>I can't say that I respect a bigot of this magnintude but the man has massive balls. Well, he's black isn't he?

lleeder

02-15-2007, 01:08 PM

This is the only way Hardaway can get anyone to listen to what he has to say. Hes done, hes not a celebrity, who cares what he thinks.

DarkHippie

02-15-2007, 01:09 PM

Insert 'foul shot' joke here

Kevin

02-15-2007, 01:09 PM

HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ouWlOKkwY&eurl=" target="_blank">Tim Hardaway: If a family member of mine was gay I'd hate them too.I</a> can't say that I respect a bigot of this magnintude but the man has massive balls.  He pussed out today and Apologized ehhhhhhh.

HBox

02-15-2007, 01:25 PM

Kevin wrote: HBox wrote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ouWlOKkwY&eurl=" target="_blank">Tim Hardaway: If a family member of mine was gay I'd hate them too.I</a> can't say that I respect a bigot of this magnintude but the man has massive balls. He pussed out today and Apologized ehhhhhhh.Didn't he just say he was sorry he said it, and then continued to keep saying he hates gays? Or was there a more substantial apology I hadn't heard?

FUNKMAN

02-15-2007, 01:25 PM

it's a tough lesson but sometimes you need to learn the hardaway...i bet he sucked a dick when he was a kid

Don Stugots

02-15-2007, 01:26 PM

where is the outrage over this? 

MJ

02-15-2007, 01:50 PM

So I am absoultely shocked at how (I can't even think of a strong enough word so i'll re-use this one) cuntish this country still is.   I spent the day listening to sports talk radio and I can not believe how many dumb mother fuckers we have today.First of all, to the now over-used "locker-room" defense.  For a moment let's say that a gay teammate is checking you out.  Who the fuck cares?  It does not effect you in any way shape or form.  I have worked with people that I have had crushes on and vice versa and in both scenarios I have either "checked them out" at work and I have caught some doing the same to me.  We continue to work together and don't give a shit. Last Thursday I was doing a shoot for an upcoming issue (i'm in the magazine business) and a gorgeous model was getting dressed in front of me.  I saw her completely naked many times.  When I first started in the business I would definately check the girls out and they knew that I was, but they just dismissed it and continued acting professionally (as did I).  I never lunged at them, grabbed at them or even hit on them as it was business and not personal.  Now I could care less if I see a tit or not at work, i'm just trying to get the work done and go home.And since there are so many people out there that are saying that it's ok to hate fags, but not to hate blacks, or whites or indians (which I am) etc. because "being black isn't a choice but being gay it" I'd like all of you straight people to post at what exact moment in your life you decided to be straight.What about religion for that matter?  We make a choice what religion to be (whether your born into it or not i know a lot of people who chose a different religion than their parents) so does that mean it's ok for me to say that I hate all Christians and I don't want them working with me? I could write a lot more, but i'm sure you've all stopped reading at this point.  I am just flabbergasted at how ridiculous this country can be sometimes.

Gvac

02-15-2007, 01:54 PM

The first thing I thought of when I heard this story was how ironic it was that a black man was saying he "hates" a certain minority and that there's "no room for them in the locker room or in America."News like this doesn't shock me anymore.  I've come to accept the fact that there will always be some king sized dipshits in this world.

SinA

02-15-2007, 02:02 PM

So Tim Hardaway and I have something in common...                      we both hate the gays.

Kevin

02-15-2007, 03:06 PM

ESPN is using this to plug every hack radio show they have. There is a radio show whore  plug in every freaking comment of his.

cougarjake13

02-15-2007, 04:01 PM

Don Stugots wrote: where is the outrage over this?  b/c he's a quasi celeb and we live in an ultra pc world

Snacks

02-15-2007, 04:06 PM

MJ wrote: So I am absoultely shocked at how (I can't even think of a strong enough word so i'll re-use this one) cuntish this country still is.   I spent the day listening to sports talk radio and I can not believe how many dumb mother fuckers we have today.First of all, to the now over-used "locker-room" defense.  For a moment let's say that a gay teammate is checking you out.  Who the fuck cares?  It does not effect you in any way shape or form.  I have worked with people that I have had crushes on and vice versa and in both scenarios I have either "checked them out" at work and I have caught some doing the same to me.  We continue to work together and don't give a shit. Last Thursday I was doing a shoot for an upcoming issue (i'm in the magazine business) and a gorgeous model was getting dressed in front of me.  I saw her completely naked many times.  When I first started in the business I would definately check the girls out and they knew that I was, but they just dismissed it and continued acting professionally (as did I).  I never lunged at them, grabbed at them or even hit on them as it was business and not personal.  Now I could care less if I see a tit or not at work, i'm just trying to get the work done and go home.And since there are so many people out there that are saying that it's ok to hate fags, but not to hate blacks, or whites or indians (which I am) etc. because "being black isn't a choice but being gay it" I'd like all of you straight people to post at what exact moment in your life you decided to be straight.What about religion for that matter?  We make a choice what religion to be (whether your born into it or not i know a lot of people who chose a different religion than their parents) so does that mean it's ok for me to say that I hate all Christians and I don't want them working with me? I could write a lot more, but i'm sure you've all stopped reading at this point.  I am just flabbergasted at how ridiculous this country can be sometimes.I agree with you 100% about people hating others based on color or sexuality, but at the same time I will say people still have the right to hate or like whatever and whoever they want. As long as they are non violent. Not everyone is going to accept or like others who are different. people should be able to speak the truth, atleast you will know where they are coming from and the tpye of person they are.One thing you said did seem pretty true. The religion aspect. Religion is a choice and all the people that think being gay is a choice should think twice. Im straight, I never chose it, I just love the ladies!!! So maybe making fun of religion should be ok since it is a choice???

jsmigley

02-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Snacks wrote: MJ wrote: So I am absoultely shocked at how (I can't even think of a strong enough word so i'll re-use this one) cuntish this country still is.   I spent the day listening to sports talk radio and I can not believe how many dumb mother fuckers we have today.First of all, to the now over-used "locker-room" defense.  For a moment let's say that a gay teammate is checking you out.  Who the fuck cares?  It does not effect you in any way shape or form.  I have worked with people that I have had crushes on and vice versa and in both scenarios I have either "checked them out" at work and I have caught some doing the same to me.  We continue to work together and don't give a shit. Last Thursday I was doing a shoot for an upcoming issue (i'm in the magazine business) and a gorgeous model was getting dressed in front of me.  I saw her completely naked many times.  When I first started in the business I would definately check the girls out and they knew that I was, but they just dismissed it and continued acting professionally (as did I).  I never lunged at them, grabbed at them or even hit on them as it was business and not personal.  Now I could care less if I see a tit or not at work, i'm just trying to get the work done and go home.And since there are so many people out there that are saying that it's ok to hate fags, but not to hate blacks, or whites or indians (which I am) etc. because "being black isn't a choice but being gay it" I'd like all of you straight people to post at what exact moment in your life you decided to be straight.What about religion for that matter?  We make a choice what religion to be (whether your born into it or not i know a lot of people who chose a different religion than their parents) so does that mean it's ok for me to say that I hate all Christians and I don't want them working with me? I could write a lot more, but i'm sure you've all stopped reading at this point.  I am just flabbergasted at how ridiculous this country can be sometimes.I agree with you 100% about people hating others based on color or sexuality, but at the same time I will say people still have the right to hate or like whatever and whoever they want. As long as they are non violent. Not everyone is going to accept or like others who are different. people should be able to speak the truth, atleast you will know where they are coming from and the tpye of person they are.One thing you said did seem pretty true. The religion aspect. Religion is a choice and all the people that think being gay is a choice should think twice. Im straight, I never chose it, I just love the ladies!!! So maybe making fun of religion should be ok since it is a choice??? Well put, both points views are understandable.

FUNKMAN

02-15-2007, 04:25 PM

Don Stugots wrote: where is the outrage over this?  <img src="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Mar-08-Mon-2004/photos/cochran.jpg" border="0" width="358" height="400" />

narc

02-15-2007, 04:50 PM

There shouldn't be any outrage over this. I mean seriously who gives a fuck? We all know people hate gays. So let him hate gays. We can then call him a bigot and a homophobe and whatever, and that's the end of it. As long as he isn't hurting anyone, let him do it, and I'll think he's a bigot. It's that simple.

cougarjake13

02-15-2007, 04:57 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: Don Stugots wrote: where is the outrage over this?  <img src="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Mar-08-Mon-2004/photos/cochran.jpg" border="0" width="358" height="400" />too bad he's dead

sailor

02-15-2007, 05:00 PM

"You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them.  They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be?

narc

02-15-2007, 05:04 PM

sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them.  They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be? You just answered your own question. I wouldn't care any more though.

DarkHippie

02-15-2007, 05:07 PM

sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them.  They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be? People get very sensitive when their assholes are involved

sailor

02-15-2007, 05:08 PM

DarkHippie wrote: sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them. They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be? People get very sensitive when their assholes are involved hott!

Snacks

02-15-2007, 05:14 PM

sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them.  They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be? That is why Im shocked there isnt the same outrage against Hardaway as there was against Michael Richards. Like I said people dont have to agree or like what people think, but they should be able to speak their mind. My only problem is that when a white person says something it is the biggest story going and everyone is against that person, but when a black or another minority says something its talked about but not with as much anger or hate.This will not follow Tim Hardaway around eventually he will just be a former great all star. But what Kramer said will be brought up everytime hes mentioned. Double standards, ewww hate them.

sailor

02-15-2007, 05:21 PM

Snacks wrote: sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them. They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be? That is why Im shocked there isnt the same outrage against Hardaway as there was against Michael Richards. Like I said people dont have to agree or like what people think, but they should be able to speak their mind. My only problem is that when a white person says something it is the biggest story going and everyone is against that person, but when a black or another minority says something its talked about but not with as much anger or hate.This will not follow Tim Hardaway around eventually he will just be a former great all star. But what Kramer said will be brought up everytime hes mentioned. Double standards, ewww hate them. i don't think it's black-white issue, but there is definitely a double-standard regarding gender and sexual orientation.

JimBeam

02-15-2007, 05:22 PM

It was a pretty crazy and maybe not the most adult of responses but it is his opinion.Like any hot button subject like this I don't understand why it's you're right to be gay and like it and spread your opinion on the matter but it's not ok to not like a gay lifestyle.It's the old catch 22 where people want open opinions and " tolerance " as longs as its to their point of view.My sister is gay, although she's never officially come out, but it doesnt mean I all of a sudden have to change my opinion.I still disagree with the lifestyle. Not because I'm afriad of it, as a phobia would imply, I just think it's wierd. Sure I'm religious but even if i wasn't I'd still not like it. And surely there's some 2facedness ( ?? ) on my part as I love t osee 2 chicks go at it. Outstanding !!I also laugh how all I heard was " Christian Right this and Christian Right that ".People think a dislike for the homosexual lifestyle is confined to only Christianity ?I'd say that there's less of a chance of a gay person getting murdered by a Christian, here in the US, than there is of one getting murdered say in the Middle East.Steven A Smith had some good points, although he did drag it oit too much, when he said he was tired of gays comparing themselves to blacks. They really are entirely different things. If anything what the blacks have " gone through " has probably made it easier for gays to be more accepted.I hope the fudge-packers dont start asking for reparations as well now.

narc

02-15-2007, 05:22 PM

No, it's not a double standard. They didn't say the same thing: Hardaway didn't scream "FAG! HOMO! STRING EM UP! PUT EM INTO OVENS!" or something like that. He just said he's a homophobe and that he doesn't like gays. Plus, there's a big difference in public perception between gays and blacks. Blacks are a historically disenfranchised minority who had to deal with widespread violence and enslavement. Homosexuals, on the other hand, are typically better educated, wealthier and while they've certainly had to deal with prejudice and occasional violence, they've never been enslaved or anything like that at least in this country.

HBox

02-15-2007, 05:41 PM

Like any hot button subject like this I don't understand why it's you're right to be gay and like it and spread your opinion on the matter but it's not ok to not like a gay lifestyle.Nice straw man. That's not the point. I hate smoking. But I'm not going to make the jump to "I hate all smokers." That's stupid. And it's what he did. It's the old catch 22 where people want open opinions and " tolerance " as longs as its to their point of view.Tolerance is not tolerating intolerance.And I assume the irony of you criticizing people's opinions of Hardaway's opinion is flying 10000 feet above your head. Freedom of speech is not protection against any consequences of what you say. If you are going to say you hate all gay people people have the freedom to respond however they like. My sister is gay, although she's never officially come out, but it doesnt mean I all of a sudden have to change my opinion.But I'm guessing you don't hate her. Or any other gay people based solely on the fact that they are gay.

cougarjake13

02-15-2007, 05:48 PM

ahhhhi'v had to much to drink and theres too much too raed

aaaaaaaa

02-15-2007, 06:04 PM

I also laugh how all I heard was " Christian Right this and Christian Right that ".People think a dislike for the homosexual lifestyle is confined to only Christianity ?I'd say that there's less of a chance of a gay person getting murdered by a Christian, here in the US, than there is of one getting murdered say in the Middle East. ahhh religion. it really is so fucking heartwarming. it must be great. hate the fags, save the fetuses, go directly to eternal candyland!!

cougarjake13

02-15-2007, 06:24 PM

aaaaaaaa wrote: I also laugh how all I heard was " Christian Right this and Christian Right that ".People think a dislike for the homosexual lifestyle is confined to only Christianity ?I'd say that there's less of a chance of a gay person getting murdered by a Christian, here in the US, than there is of one getting murdered say in the Middle East. ahhh religion. it really is so fucking heartwarming. it must be great. hate the fags, save the fetuses, go directly to eternal candyland!!what bout chutes and ladders ???

busybeeman

02-16-2007, 06:09 AM

busybeeman wrote: Here's what should happen:Dennis Rodman<img src="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/05/30/2002293256.jpg" border="0" width="100" height="132" />and Ru Paul<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/15/RuPaul.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="263" />should go to Hardaway's house, and , in front of a camera crew, layeth the smacketh down and deliver a no-holds barred beat-down, while both Rodman and Ru Paul are dressed in drag (Rodman in a wedding dress).  Film score plays YMCA by the Village People.There's only one way to deal with Tim Hardaway: A Beat-Down<img src="http://www.ucmovie.com/images/cast/duncan-cast.jpg" border="0" width="229" height="332" />

Judge Smails

02-16-2007, 06:18 AM

<a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/02/16/basketball.hardaway.ap/">Hardaway is uninvited to All-Star Weekend</a>I guess he's now on the NBA 'blacklist' - A gee gee gee

Don Stugots

02-16-2007, 06:26 AM

sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them. They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be?  this is what i was getting at.  now, i am not saying you have to love everyone, you do have right to be prejudice, but if ANY said this about a person's skin color people would want to burn them at the stake.  why is it ok to say you hate gay people?

JPMNICK

02-16-2007, 06:28 AM

Don Stugots wrote: sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them. They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be?  this is what i was getting at.  now, i am not saying you have to love everyone, you do have right to be prejudice, but if ANY said this about a person's skin color people would want to burn them at the stake.  why is it ok to say you hate gay people? those are great points. When you look at it from that angle, the country would be in an outrage if that ever happened.

Knowledged_one

02-16-2007, 06:38 AM

This is why i hate the PC police.  Why is it wrong for him to voice his opinion?  At what point do we as a country say you know what im going to be honest and tell you what i think.  Everything has to be sanitized and forced apologies after a mistake is madWhy is being honest such a bad thing

sailor

02-16-2007, 06:40 AM

Don Stugots wrote: sailor wrote: "You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known," (insert name) said. "I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like them. They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." If some random nba player said the above, how huge would the furor be? this is what i was getting at. now, i am not saying you have to love everyone, you do have right to be prejudice, but if ANY said this about a person's skin color people would want to burn them at the stake. why is it ok to say you hate gay people?  exactly.

JPMNICK

02-16-2007, 06:42 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: This is why i hate the PC police.  Why is it wrong for him to voice his opinion?  At what point do we as a country say you know what im going to be honest and tell you what i think.  Everything has to be sanitized and forced apologies after a mistake is madWhy is being honest such a bad thingIt is more about the double standard that it is OK to rip gays, but if this was turned racial or even sexual, it would be a HUGE problem.

johnniewalker

02-16-2007, 06:49 AM

A nice softball for espn and yahoo editors.  Not surpisingly they've taken a hard stance against it.  Fuck them, they had there chance to say something when amaechi initially came out.  The original article yahoo came out with was hilarious.   Great now come out with article against someone completely irrelevant.  Gene Wojchieowshi is terrible.  <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/">LeBron James</a>, however, said he didn't think an openly gay person could survive in the league and worried about any players who have not revealed they are gay. "With teammates you have to be trustworthy, and if you're gay and you're not admitting that you are, then you are not trustworthy," James said. "So that's like the No. 1 thing as teammates -- we all trust each other. You've heard of the in-room, locker room code. What happens in the locker room stays in there. It's a trust factor, honestly. A big trust factor." Injured Philadelphia Sixers forward <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3992/">Shavlik Randolph</a> acknowledged it's a new situation. "As long as you don't bring your gayness on me I'm fine," Randolph said. "As far as business-wise, I'm sure I could play with him. But I think it would create a little awkwardness in the locker room." <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="right" style="padding-left: 8px; padding-bottom: 5px"> <tbody><tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="1"> <tbody><tr> <td class="ysptblbdr2"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" width="137" height="46" class="yspwhitebg"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center"><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/gallery"> </a></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> News that Amaechi had come out surprised some players. "For real? He's gay for real?" said Philadelphia center <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3525/">Steven Hunter</a>, who added he would be fine with an openly gay teammate. "As long as he don't make any advances toward me I'm fine with it," he said. "As long as he came to play basketball like a man and conducted himself like a good person, I'd be fine with it."  <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-amaechiout&prov=ap&type=lgns">Amaechi to come out publicly</a>

busybeeman

02-16-2007, 06:57 AM

busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Here's what should happen:Dennis Rodman<img src="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/05/30/2002293256.jpg" border="0" width="100" height="132" />and Ru Paul<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/15/RuPaul.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="263" />should go to Hardaway's house, and , in front of a camera crew, layeth the smacketh down and deliver a no-holds barred beat-down, while both Rodman and Ru Paul are dressed in drag (Rodman in a wedding dress).  Film score plays YMCA by the Village People.There's only one way to deal with Tim Hardaway: A Beat-Down<img src="http://www.ucmovie.com/images/cast/duncan-cast.jpg" border="0" width="229" height="332" />Why come every time a "Black" idiot says something idiotic, then the "White" idiots crawl out of the woodwork with their "double standard" argument.  Go back to a Klan meeting or get a life, losers.

HBox

02-16-2007, 09:38 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: This is why i hate the PC police. Why is it wrong for him to voice his opinion? At what point do we as a country say you know what im going to be honest and tell you what i think. Everything has to be sanitized and forced apologies after a mistake is madWhy is being honest such a bad thingThis argument just pisses me off to no end. He is free to say whatever he wants. HE DID. But Freedom of Speech is not Freedom from consequences. If you are going to talk like a bigot, you are going to be treated like a bigot. If people don't want to associate with him because of what he said, they are FREE to do so. If companies don't want to hire him because they don't want to seem to be supporting what they said, they are FREE to do so. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HE SAID. I don't see any government officials hauling Hardaway off to jail for what he said. THAT'S what freedom of speech is. Look, if some of you agree with what he said just fucking say it. Stop hiding behind these half arguments.

Snacks

02-16-2007, 12:17 PM

busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Here's what should happen:Dennis Rodman<img src="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/05/30/2002293256.jpg" border="0" width="100" height="132" />and Ru Paul<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/15/RuPaul.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="263" />should go to Hardaway's house, and , in front of a camera crew, layeth the smacketh down and deliver a no-holds barred beat-down, while both Rodman and Ru Paul are dressed in drag (Rodman in a wedding dress).  Film score plays YMCA by the Village People.There's only one way to deal with Tim Hardaway: A Beat-Down<img src="http://www.ucmovie.com/images/cast/duncan-cast.jpg" border="0" width="229" height="332" />Why come every time a "Black" idiot says something idiotic, then the "White" idiots crawl out of the woodwork with their "double standard" argument.  Go back to a Klan meeting or get a life, losers.And HOW come everytime a white idiot says something stupid a black idiot comes out of the woodwork calling everything racist or that person is rascist? Go back to your Black Panther meeting or get a life, you loser.See they are both stupid posts, but no double standard.

busybeeman

02-17-2007, 06:37 AM

busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: busybeeman wrote: Here's what should happen:Dennis Rodman<img src="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/05/30/2002293256.jpg" border="0" width="100" height="132" />and Ru Paul<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/15/RuPaul.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="263" />should go to Hardaway's house, and , in front of a camera crew, layeth the smacketh down and deliver a no-holds barred beat-down, while both Rodman and Ru Paul are dressed in drag (Rodman in a wedding dress).  Film score plays YMCA by the Village People.There's only one way to deal with Tim Hardaway: A Beat-Down<img src="http://www.ucmovie.com/images/cast/duncan-cast.jpg" border="0" width="229" height="332" />Why come every time a "Black" idiot says something idiotic, then the "White" idiots crawl out of the woodwork with their "double standard" argument.  Go back to a Klan meeting or get a life, losers.Here it is: A straight up (no pun) Cage MatchTim Hardaway vs. Vin Diesel<img src="http://www.celebrity-exchange.com/celebs/photos46/vin-diesel.jpg" border="0" width="556" height="738" />

sailor

02-17-2007, 06:53 AM

narc wrote: No, it's not a double standard. They didn't say the same thing: Hardaway didn't scream "FAG! HOMO! STRING EM UP! PUT EM INTO OVENS!" or something like that. He just said he's a homophobe and that he doesn't like gays. Plus, there's a big difference in public perception between gays and blacks. Blacks are a historically disenfranchised minority who had to deal with widespread violence and enslavement. Homosexuals, on the other hand, are typically better educated, wealthier and while they've certainly had to deal with prejudice and occasional violence, they've never been enslaved or anything like that at least in this country.  and the name of the gay guy in your avatar is?  i rest my case!

JimBeam

02-17-2007, 10:29 AM

HBox you're right he said what he said and can deal w/ the consequences.But so does somebody that comes out and is gay.If socially people no longer want to associate with them than that's their right no ?Consequnces are consequences.But you're completely delissional if you dont think this guy's opinion is mainstream among athletes as well as the rest of the population.If you asked every memeber of the NBA ( or MLB, or NFL, etc ... ) their opinion and they knew it wouldnt hurt their endoresement deals or their " presence " in the media you don't think it'd be the same for the majority of them , although probably much less " nasty " ?Sure they may not say they hate gays but if they could be honest they'd say they wouldnt wanna hang with them or associate with them.It's your OPINION to decide if that's right or wrong but regardless it's not WRONG.I still never understood why M&M Mars or whoever owns Snickers pulled that commercial ( other than it being unfunny and stupid ) after the Superbowl.How many consumers do they lose if GLADD gets pissed at them ?While it may not be acceptable to hate gays, and to your point most people probably dont hate them as people, it is your right to hate whover the fuck you want as long as you're not interfering w/ their so called life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.I never understand why it seems like we're supposed to put people in the gay lifestyle on a platform and act as thought they are a higher more enlightened group of people.

Snacks

02-17-2007, 12:20 PM

JimBeam wrote: HBox you're right he said what he said and can deal w/ the consequences.But so does somebody that comes out and is gay.If socially people no longer want to associate with them than that's their right no ?Consequnces are consequences.But you're completely delissional if you dont think this guy's opinion is mainstream among athletes as well as the rest of the population.If you asked every memeber of the NBA ( or MLB, or NFL, etc ... ) their opinion and they knew it wouldnt hurt their endoresement deals or their " presence " in the media you don't think it'd be the same for the majority of them , although probably much less " nasty " ?Sure they may not say they hate gays but if they could be honest they'd say they wouldnt wanna hang with them or associate with them.It's your OPINION to decide if that's right or wrong but regardless it's not WRONG.I still never understood why M&M Mars or whoever owns Snickers pulled that commercial ( other than it being unfunny and stupid ) after the Superbowl.How many consumers do they lose if GLADD gets pissed at them ?While it may not be acceptable to hate gays, and to your point most people probably dont hate them as people, it is your right to hate whover the fuck you want as long as you're not interfering w/ their so called life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.I never understand why it seems like we're supposed to put people in the gay lifestyle on a platform and act as thought they are a higher more enlightened group of people.  I do agree thaqt the majority of what you wrote is true or should be true such as the snickers commercial, gladd and you shouldnt have to like people if you dont sgree with it as long as you dont hurt or stop them from doing things.I think your wrong about most athletes part. your  quote "Sure they may not say they hate gays but if they could be honest they'd say they wouldnt wanna hang with them or associate with them."IMO I dont think that most would say that. From my experiences with my gay friends they say they dont fell like people dont want to associate with them. I have a few friends and a cousin who is gay and I didnt think any differently about them, except now we cant go out looking for women anymore together. I think being honest about their sexuality is better for them and the people you surround yourself with. Then the gay person doesnt have to hide the true person they are and they will know who accepts them and who doesnt. Plus the friends who thought they were gay anyway now dont have to act like they didnt know. Another  thing I noticed is we joke about it amingst the firends. My gay friends make fun of us liking women and we joke with them about liking guys. You have the right to hate or not associate with anyone you dont want to based on religion, sexuality or race. But your losing out on having a lot of great friends without opening your mind. (This is drected at you JimBeam it a genaral statement)

Yerdaddy

02-17-2007, 12:43 PM

JimBeam wrote: HBox you're right he said what he said and can deal w/ the consequences.But so does somebody that comes out and is gay.If socially people no longer want to associate with them than that's their right no ?Consequnces are consequences.But you're completely delissional if you dont think this guy's opinion is mainstream among athletes as well as the rest of the population.If you asked every memeber of the NBA ( or MLB, or NFL, etc ... ) their opinion and they knew it wouldnt hurt their endoresement deals or their " presence " in the media you don't think it'd be the same for the majority of them , although probably much less " nasty " ?Sure they may not say they hate gays but if they could be honest they'd say they wouldnt wanna hang with them or associate with them.It's your OPINION to decide if that's right or wrong but regardless it's not WRONG.I still never understood why M&M Mars or whoever owns Snickers pulled that commercial ( other than it being unfunny and stupid ) after the Superbowl.How many consumers do they lose if GLADD gets pissed at them ?While it may not be acceptable to hate gays, and to your point most people probably dont hate them as people, it is your right to hate whover the fuck you want as long as you're not interfering w/ their so called life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.I never understand why it seems like we're supposed to put people in the gay lifestyle on a platform and act as thought they are a higher more enlightened group of people.  You were in the realm of the reasonable until you hit that last paragraph. Unless it's meant to be irony because it was really catty. I never understand why it seems like we're supposed to put people in the gay lifestyle on a platform and act as thought they are a higher more enlightened group of people. *snap! snap!* There you go. Don't be afraid of the diva inside, Girlfriend!

JimBeam

02-17-2007, 12:47 PM

I dont have a problem with people that are gay at all.I dont agree with it and I dont get it but I dont hate them.I've been around gay people and i think the uncomfortability is more in watching what I say then their sexuality.But again if a man had a choice with sharing a room, office, etc ... with either a gay man or a straight man you dont think pyscologically they'd pick the straight man ?More to the point of saying things in public and the consequences why were the Dixie Chicks made out to be such martyrs for saying what they said and facing the backlash they received ?When they said what they said it was all about free speech and non-censorship.But their core audience, with their money, made the choice that they didnt agree w/ the statements and would no longer support them.Why were those consequences so unbearable that everybody felt free to tell the country auidience that they were wrong ?I realize one is political and the other is more of a human nature thing ( which becomes politcal ) but as far as a celebrity facing the consequences for their opinions they are one and the same and I dont see why they arent treated the same.

JimBeam

02-17-2007, 12:52 PM

So Yerdday my statemnts on the opinions of athletes can be countered by your ... what ?Some poll you ran in Sports Illustrated that wasn't published ?If a gay lifestyle is as acceptable as people think then why is it even an issue ?I hear a whole lot more people deploring what Hardaway said and the way he said it and in the next sentence saying " hey he's entitled to his opinion ".You think you'd get that same reaction if you said blacks were uneducated, Asians cant drive, etc ...I'd doubt it.

sandyjat

02-17-2007, 01:04 PM

<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" height="100%" id="HB_Mail_Container"><tbody><tr width="100%" height="100%"><td id="HB_Focus_Element" width="100%" height="250" valign="top">I personally don't have anything against the gay community.  Whatever they do is their business, just like whatever I do is my business...(I'm not gay), but I'm just saying why does anyone care.  Most individuals have a daily routine...mine starts Monday morning I put my boy on the bus, I go back to bed.  I wake up just in time to get him off the bus, (he just goes half a day), then I cook breakfast for all 3 of my kids..then I get online, then I clean house, get a shower go to work, come home and sleep.  That's my life Mon-Fri, and on the weekends I rarely do anything maybe go visit a couple of friends.  So if I was to drive passed a gay guy or lesbian I wouldn't think nothing of it because they are just going about their business just as I am.  We are all human. If gays  want to have wild monkey sex...I say go for it I know I'm not gonna be their to see it. It's not hurting me none. If I were to actually spot a gay couple going at it in a park or anywhere I would think to myself "ewww, get a room" just as I would if it were a straight couple. I hope I've made a point here....Peace :)</td></tr><tr><td height="1" style="font-size: 1pt"></td></tr></tbody></table>

epo

02-17-2007, 01:14 PM

This is an Disney Corp. created "story".  Amechi sold a book deal to one of Disney's book companies, then ESPN pursued the story and shoved a microphone in the face of every player they could get their hands on.  Someone was going to say it, it was just a matter of who & when.  That being said: <ol><li>Hardaway is obviously a small-minded person.  What Hardaway said though isn't shocking, but rather it's an widely held ignorant viewpoint in this nation.   </li><li>Tim Hardaway was not "forced" to apologize, rather he did that by choice.  He saw the freeride called the NBA alumni perks being taken away from him.  High money, low work gigs that are probably gone now.   David Stern has completely disassociated himself from Hardaway, which means that any official NBA job is impossible for the balance of his days on this planet.  </li><li>Hardaway is even a bigger idiot for his comments when you break them down.  He claimed that he "wouldn't be a part" of a locker that had a gay person.  So you are telling me that in a 15 year career, with five different franchises in the NBA that he never had a gay person in his locker room?  Gimme a fucking break.  </li></ol>Hey Tim, have fun trying to get "Tim Hardaway Night" in Golden State or Miami.  See how much those franchises embrace you.

JimBeam

02-17-2007, 01:18 PM

Your point is spot one.Who brought up the players homosexuality ?The player so he could sell books.Why would anybody buy the book ?Big deal he's gay so are other people.Why is his story any more interesting ?If he wanted to be the Rosa Parks he thinks he is then he should've come out when he was still playing and dealt with it at that time.Unfortunately since ESPN had a vested interest in this book, they publish it, it's all that's been talked about this week.

epo

02-17-2007, 01:30 PM

JimBeam wrote: Your point is spot one.Who brought up the players homosexuality ?The player so he could sell books.Why would anybody buy the book ?Big deal he's gay so are other people.Why is his story any more interesting ?If he wanted to be the Rosa Parks he thinks he is then he should've come out when he was still playing and dealt with it at that time.Unfortunately since ESPN had a vested interest in this book, they publish it, it's all that's been talked about this week. Actually my point was the entire post.

JimBeam

02-17-2007, 01:35 PM

Actually I was refering to Sandy's post.Your last post was correct for the most part but I doubt Tim Hardaway becomes John Rocker.I dont see teams shying away from him as long as he can still play at an acceptable level.Not sure why I feel he'll get different treatment in basketball than Rocker got in baseball but Rocker kinda painted a more broad stroke and he did it in the biggest media market during one of the bigger baseball rivalries in the last few years.We can keep an eye on the attendance at his team's games and see if there's any boycott.

HBox

02-17-2007, 01:36 PM

JimBeam wrote: Actually I was refering to Sandy's post.Your last post was correct for the most part but I doubt Tim Hardaway becomes John Rocker.I dont see teams shying away from him as long as he can still play at an acceptable level.Not sure why I feel he'll get different treatment in basketball than Rocker got in baseball but Rocker kinda painted a more broad stroke and he did it in the biggest media market during one of the bigger baseball rivalries in the last few years.We can keep an eye on the attendance at his team's games and see if there's any boycott.He retired in 2001.EDIT: Or, uh, 2003.  

This message was edited by HBox on 2-17-07 @ 5:40 PM

epo

02-17-2007, 01:37 PM

JimBeam wrote: Actually I was refering to Sandy's post.Your last post was correct for the most part but I doubt Tim Hardaway becomes John Rocker.I dont see teams shying away from him as long as he can still play at an acceptable level.Not sure why I feel he'll get different treatment in basketball than Rocker got in baseball but Rocker kinda painted a more broad stroke and he did it in the biggest media market during one of the bigger baseball rivalries in the last few years.We can keep an eye on the attendance at his team's games and see if there's any boycott.Hardaway has been out of the league since 2003.

JimBeam

02-17-2007, 01:40 PM

Jesus shows how much I follow the NBA.Why was he even being interviewed anyways ?Not that that changes what he said.

Yerdaddy

02-17-2007, 10:02 PM

JimBeam wrote: So Yerdday my statemnts on the opinions of athletes can be countered by your ... what ?12 year-old nephew. Why not read the whole post before you get your tit in the wringer. I only said your last statement was crazy. I specifically said the rest was reasonable. And I merely made fun of last bit, which usually means I'm not taking it that serious in the first place.

Fat_Sunny

02-17-2007, 10:23 PM

F-S Just Hates That This Story Is Even A Story.  He Doesn't Personally Agree With What The Guy Said, But Why Is This Country So Freaking Sensitive And PC That Something Like This Is National News?Call It A Form Of Censorship, Or Massive Peer Pressure, But Forces Are In Play To Get People To "Conform" To Certain Ways Of Speaking...And Thinking.  Fat Finds The Response To The Comments Much More Objectionable Than The Comments Themselves!

SinA

02-17-2007, 10:36 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: F-S Just Hates That This Story Is Even A Story.  He Doesn't Personally Agree With What The Guy Said, But Why Is This Country So Freaking Sensitive And PC That Something Like This Is National News?Call It A Form Of Censorship, Or Massive Peer Pressure, But Forces Are In Play To Get People To "Conform" To Certain Ways Of Speaking...And Thinking.  Fat Finds The Response To The Comments Much More Objectionable Than The Comments Themselves!Strange that F_S never posts in the listening threads.  What do you say to that F_S, or should I say.... R_B...?

HBox

02-17-2007, 11:53 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: F-S Just Hates That This Story Is Even A Story. He Doesn't Personally Agree With What The Guy Said, But Why Is This Country So Freaking Sensitive And PC That Something Like This Is National News?Call It A Form Of Censorship, Or Massive Peer Pressure, But Forces Are In Play To Get People To "Conform" To Certain Ways Of Speaking...And Thinking. Fat Finds The Response To The Comments Much More Objectionable Than The Comments Themselves!That's really heavy coming from a board character. Really makes you question everything you thought you knew.

epo

02-18-2007, 06:24 AM

Charles Barkley weighs in on the situation in this short interview with Wolf Blitzer.  <a href="http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=512940338">Link here</a>.I hate to say it, but Barkley sounds like a voice of reason.

cougarjake13

02-18-2007, 11:36 AM

epo wrote: Charles Barkley weighs in on the situation in this short interview with Wolf Blitzer.  <a href="http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=512940338">Link here</a>.I hate to say it, but Barkley sounds like a voice of reason. yeh its very rare that he does but he was spot on there

Fat_Sunny

02-18-2007, 03:57 PM

SinA wrote: Strange that F_S never posts in the listening threads.  What do you say to that F_S, or should I say.... R_B...?F_S Is Extremely Flattered To Learn That SinA Is Keeping Track Of His Comings And Goings.

lleeder

02-18-2007, 04:03 PM

Fat_Sunny wrote: SinA wrote: Strange that F_S never posts in the listening threads.  What do you say to that F_S, or should I say.... R_B...?F_S Is Extremely Flattered To Learn That SinA Is Keeping Track Of His Comings And Goings.  Ron Mentioned A Fat_Sunny Thread On The Show. So That Means He Mentioned His Own Thread????? That Confuse Lleeder. Me Drink Now.

Fat_Sunny

02-18-2007, 04:05 PM

lleeder wrote: Ron Mentioned A Fat_Sunny Thread On The Show. So That Means He Mentioned His Own Thread????? That Confuse Lleeder. Me Drink Now.When Was That?  It Would Be Nice If Someone Had Told Fat!