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CruelCircus

03-12-2007, 10:19 PM

In the buildup to Wrestlemania, we hear a lot about guys who are "the future of sports entertainment."  Well, who do you think it is?  Who are the guys that will be your main eventers, your high mid-carders, the players in the WWE 5, 10 years from today?My list:1) Randy Orton2) John Cena3) Edge4) Ken Kennedy5) CM Punk6) Johnny Nitro7) Matt Hardy8) HHH (assuming his legs haven't fallen off)9) AJ Styles10) Samoa JoeI know, I'm not exactly out on a limb, other than I think WWE outlasts TNA, but when you late it out there is a lot of good, young talent out there right now.  Now if only they can book it right...

Fallon

03-12-2007, 10:37 PM

Edge should be huge, but they haven't done that good of a job with him.

patsopinion

03-12-2007, 11:21 PM

nonethis hack fest is awful/unwatchablethe chicks are they only thing worth watchingone of those should get like intercontinental belt to stir it up a little

MrPink

03-12-2007, 11:30 PM

wwe wont be around in 10 yrs

Crippler

03-13-2007, 06:20 AM

j9479

03-13-2007, 09:24 AM

I'd say that if they keep on with the rate of skills they have that Nigel Mc Guiness (sp?) and Bryan Danielson will end up becoming big stars. Danielson especially, if he can adjust his style to work shorter matches.  Also, Colt Cabana should have been signed YESTERDAY, and maybe Claudio?

CruelCircus

03-13-2007, 02:54 PM

Crippler wrote: Vince didn't "make" them, therefore, they'll never be big in the WWE even if TNA shut its' doors tomorrow & they were signed still at the height of their careers.  People make this point a lot, but I don't think I see it.Booker T, RVD, Jericho, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, the Dudleys.  None of them made by Vince but still either wore the strap or have received major pushes in WWE.  Heck, Benoit and Guerrero carried both titles at the same time.  Jericho was the first "Undisputed Champion."  That's a pretty big spot in the history of the biz.Maybe none of these guys was the company's #1 face, but who out there really should have been a major player but wasn't given a fair chance by WWE? Goldberg?  Scott Steiner?

ralphbxny

03-13-2007, 07:31 PM

Carlito could if they used him. Damn that vince Mcmahon.

DoubleJ

03-13-2007, 08:30 PM

cougarjake13

03-15-2007, 03:23 AM

ralphbxny wrote: Carlito could if they used him. Damn that vince Mcmahon. i think they're gonna build him up slowlyi didnt like how the first day he shows up he wins the us championshipand on his first day on raw he wins the IC beltbut now he's been in the background and they're starting this thing with flair so theres still hope

EarlPlusTwo

03-15-2007, 06:45 AM

Randy Orton will be around for a long time,he's the best they have.

Crippler

03-15-2007, 07:20 AM

CruelCircus wrote: Crippler wrote: Vince didn't "make" them, therefore, they'll never be big in the WWE even if TNA shut its' doors tomorrow & they were signed still at the height of their careers. People make this point a lot, but I don't think I see it.Booker T, RVD, Jericho, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, the Dudleys.  None of them made by Vince but still either wore the strap or have received major pushes in WWE.  Heck, Benoit and Guerrero carried both titles at the same time.  Jericho was the first "Undisputed Champion."  That's a pretty big spot in the history of the biz. True...maybe I should ammend or clarify what I meant.  Vince won't push a wrestler to WWE champ who has already been a sustained headliner elsewhere, which Styles has been & Joe soon will be.  It's like they're tainted in Vince's mind.Flair is an exception & he rightly should be.  But Benoit was given the World Title as a last ditch effort to keep him in WCW, which he held for as long as it took him to walk through the curtain.Eddy, Rey, and Jericho never made it above Cruiserweight/TV Champ (Eddy held the US title for a few minutes in 97), so they could be pushed to the top & still be "made" by WWE.As for the Dudleys, WWE hasn't given two shits about the tag team division since the 80s.  But notice that when they tried the WWE formula of break them up & give them singles pushes, they went nowhere.Booker winds up being an exception too, but I don't think they'll ever give him anything but the old WCW title, no matter what they call it.The biggest surprise I've ver seen was RVD holding the WWE title for a few minutes when he beat Cena at One Night Stand...but again, he never got his ECW title reign due to the injury, paycheck disputes & then going out of business once he was healthy.Just my opinion, but it seems to be the WWE formula.

cougarjake13

03-15-2007, 06:04 PM

Crippler wrote: CruelCircus wrote: Crippler wrote: Vince didn't "make" them, therefore, they'll never be big in the WWE even if TNA shut its' doors tomorrow & they were signed still at the height of their careers. People make this point a lot, but I don't think I see it.Booker T, RVD, Jericho, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, the Dudleys.  None of them made by Vince but still either wore the strap or have received major pushes in WWE.  Heck, Benoit and Guerrero carried both titles at the same time.  Jericho was the first "Undisputed Champion."  That's a pretty big spot in the history of the biz. True...maybe I should ammend or clarify what I meant.  Vince won't push a wrestler to WWE champ who has already been a sustained headliner elsewhere, which Styles has been & Joe soon will be.  It's like they're tainted in Vince's mind.Flair is an exception & he rightly should be.  But Benoit was given the World Title as a last ditch effort to keep him in WCW, which he held for as long as it took him to walk through the curtain.Eddy, Rey, and Jericho never made it above Cruiserweight/TV Champ (Eddy held the US title for a few minutes in 97), so they could be pushed to the top & still be "made" by WWE.As for the Dudleys, WWE hasn't given two shits about the tag team division since the 80s.  But notice that when they tried the WWE formula of break them up & give them singles pushes, they went nowhere.Booker winds up being an exception too, but I don't think they'll ever give him anything but the old WCW title, no matter what they call it.The biggest surprise I've ver seen was RVD holding the WWE title for a few minutes when he beat Cena at One Night Stand...but again, he never got his ECW title reign due to the injury, paycheck disputes & then going out of business once he was healthy.Just my opinion, but it seems to be the WWE formula.and also with rvd he only got the strap so they could create a new ecw belt for the at the time soon to be debuting ecwotherwise i dont think rvd ever sniffs the title belt

oh_kee_pa

03-15-2007, 06:08 PM

<div>Edge is the shawn michaels of the next 10-15 years.... he's got the same talent w/ the same mic skills... Randy Orton will be around... and triple H will be the next hogan, meaining he will always be able to draw and not know when to leave....ÿ</div>

ponelas park townie

03-17-2007, 01:45 PM

Right now I think they had planned for Brock Lesnar to still be around in WWE, and that is the role that Batista holds. I kinda want him to stay around just so there's not another needless push. He's got the fan reaction. This decade is full of forgotten pushes. Examples:Hulk Hogan vs Sean O' Haire (WWE Smackdown, 2003)Kurt Angle vs Mark Henry (WWE Royal Rumble '06)The Undertaker vs A-Train (WWE Summerslam '03)Hulk Hogan & Shawn Michaels vs Mahummad Hassan & Daivari (WWE Backlash '05)The Undertaker vs Heidenreich (WWE Royal Rumble '05)Brock Lesnar vs Hardcore Holly, WWE Championship (WWE Royal Rumble '04)The Undertaker vs Luther Reigns (WWE No Way Out '05)Vince McMahon vs Zach Gowen (WWE Great American Bash '03)I'm sure the Great Khali will soon join that list.

J.Clints

03-17-2007, 01:49 PM

CruelCircus wrote: In the buildup to Wrestlemania, we hear a lot about guys who are "the future of sports entertainment."  Well, who do you think it is?  Who are the guys that will be your main eventers, your high mid-carders, the players in the WWE 5, 10 years from today?My list:1) Randy Orton<strike>2) John Cena</strike>3) Edge<strike>4) Ken Kennedy</strike>5) CM Punk6) Johnny Nitro<strike>7) Matt Hardy</strike>8) HHH (assuming his legs haven't fallen off)<strike>9) AJ Styles</strike><strike>10) Samoa Joe</strike>I know, I'm not exactly out on a limb, other than I think WWE outlasts TNA, but when you late it out there is a lot of good, young talent out there right now.  Now if only they can book it right...

epo

03-18-2007, 08:25 PM

jclintsma wrote: CruelCircus wrote: In the buildup to Wrestlemania, we hear a lot about guys who are "the future of sports entertainment."  Well, who do you think it is?  Who are the guys that will be your main eventers, your high mid-carders, the players in the WWE 5, 10 years from today?My list:<strike>1) Randy Orton</strike><strike>2</strike>) John Cena3) Edge4) Ken Kennedy5) CM Punk6) Johnny Nitro<strike>7) Matt Hardy</strike>8) HHH (assuming his legs haven't fallen off)<strike>9) AJ Styles</strike>10) Samoa JoeI know, I'm not exactly out on a limb, other than I think WWE outlasts TNA, but when you late it out there is a lot of good, young talent out there right now.  Now if only they can book it right... Fixed it for ya.I put Cena on the list, as Vince is so vested in him at this point.  And I took Orton off as he is just awful in my opinion.

K.C.

03-19-2007, 01:01 PM

1) John Cena  - always gets a reaction out of a crowd, and honestly, as easy a target as the guy is because of the shitty super-babyface gimmick, he's shown he can at least hang in most PPV main events. 2) Edge - He'll always be near the top because he's one of the few guys that is both one of the top wrestlers and top promo guys at the same time in the company. 3) Matt Hardy - They've been trying to kill him ever since he came back, and they've given him nothing to do since then and yet he still gets huge reactions. He'll never get a shot at the top because of backstage stuff, but he'll be around. 4) Ken Kennedy - He's going to have to change it up at some point, but I'm pretty confident he will. He's improved a lot since he started which leads me to believe he'll be able to adapt his character over time. 5) C.M. Punk - Great wrestler and way over with the crowd, but on the Matt Hardy path. Backstage stuff will keep him from the top for a long time, but because the crowd loves him, he'll stick around.  That's it...those are the only five relatively younger guys who get any heat in WWE. I don't count guys like HBK, HHH, Taker, and Benoit, because they don't have many years left.  EDIT: Forgot TNA:1) Samoa Joe - Just the total package. With the exception of HBK, maybe the best wrestler between the two companies. 2) Abyss - Not in the same gimmick...that will eventually have to go, but the guy is such a versatile guy for being about 7'0, 320 that I have to imagine Vince is salivating to get his hands on him. And that's all for TNA. 

This message was edited by K.C. on 3-19-07 @ 5:04 PM