~ 2007 Toronto Blue Jay Season / yankee Hate Thread ~ [Archive]

spoon

03-19-2007, 04:53 PM

<img src="http://www.celebopedia.com/toronto-blue-jays/images/toronto-blue-jays.jpg" border="0" width="150" height="150" />Strange start to the year and I can't say I'm 100% behind the front office's moves over this offseason.  However, the bulk back end starter approach to offset the need seems to be working out nicely.  So far Halladay, Burnett, Chacin are clear 1-3, but it's a race between Towers (pitching really well again), Jansen (young live arm looking strong), Okha (low pay back end starter looking like a steal, I know, way too early), Thompson (not looking good), Zambrano (back from the injury and looking amazing, and real cheap too).  My guess is they'll give it to Towers and Okha due to major league contracts, while the others all are signed to minor league deals right now.  Zambrano will go to the pen bc he needs time still being only 10 months from TJ surgery, but he looks fucking awesome!  I can't believe I'm actually saying this, and my girl (a Mets fan) can't believe it and is quite pissed about it!  In the field, quite simply their isn't a better fielding outfield in the league.  Reed Johnson in left field: I'm telling you he's better defensively than Wells and that's saying something.  Wells in center field, multiple time gold glover.  And Rios in right is way above average, especially for a right fielder.  In fact, he plays a mean center when Wells and Johnson both take time off.  All three have good to great arms (Rios has a cannon).  And all three have great speed as well.The infield is still a big question mark due to the Hudson trade last year.  They now have a solid second baseman in Hill, but they really didn't fix the SS need with Clayton, MacDonald, and Jason Smith (rule five draft pick), especially over the long term.  This was the number one need since Halladay is a huge groundball pitcher (would have been #1 if he didn't sit out his last few starts) along with Burnett and many of their relievers.  Instead, they added another big bat and he's a risk at that.  If they had their rotation and defense up the middle addressed I'd have no problem with the Thomas pick up, but the Jay's don't have the yankee/red sox's resources.  So picking up Thomas hurt their chances of landing the likes of Lugo, Meche, Lilly and more, all of which were much more needed.  Especially since the position batted over .300 last year with all the people who filled it, along with around 20 hrs.  I know the hrs are a little low, but at best we'll bring that up 20, with a drop in average if you ask me for a huge health risk who brings nothing to the table running the bases or in the field.  I'm just not a big fan of the move.  It's my least favorite move since the Chargers hired Norv Turner in the NFL, or the Theodore pickup for the Avs in the NHL.  My teams seem to love these crazy moves ignoring the true needs of the team.  I would have signed on for Gonzo and his D to come over from Boston due to the fact that he would sure up the D and the Jay's have plenty of pop in their lineup.  The leftover money could have gone toward keeping Speier as the setup man which is a huge need right now for them.  Not to mention they would have been able to use Lind as the DH, who hit over .300 in September for the Jays and looks to have good power as well.  Now there is no place for him right now.As for the lineup, there is little doubt they'll be able to hang with the best, if not actually be the top.  We're looking at Johnson, Overbay, Wells, Thomas, Glaus, Rios, Hill, Zaun, Clayton.  Lot's of power, some speed with Johnson, Wells and Rios, along with good situational hitters as well.<img src="http://brooklynmetfan.com/images/yankee/button.jpg" border="0" width="163" height="226"

Don Stugots

03-19-2007, 04:55 PM

now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox?   their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results.  wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks?  will there be a Red Sox hate thread?

Kevin

03-19-2007, 04:55 PM

Thank for flattering us like this Spoon.. We now HAVE TWO PAGES,DEDICATED TO US...Because i Guaradamnntee, that, there will be more Yankee talk here, than Jay talk.

spoon

03-19-2007, 05:07 PM

Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox?   their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results.  wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks?  will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it.  And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston.  So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks.  Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll.  You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it.

spoon

03-19-2007, 05:07 PM

Kevin wrote: Thank for flattering us like this Spoon.. We now HAVE TWO PAGES,DEDICATED TO US...Because i Guaradamnntee, that, there will be more Yankee talk here, than Jay talk. <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/lspath/yankee_fans.jpg" border="0" width="600" height="500" />

Kevin

03-19-2007, 05:34 PM

spoon wrote: Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox? their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results. wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks? will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it. And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston. So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks. Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll. You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it. <img src="http://www.centralfloridamusic.com/gfx/cd-covers-Sarah-Hoffman-Hypocrite-small.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="200" /> always finds new ways to blame the Yankees... I hear they caused the tsunami right spoon?? They went recruiting there, with their money, and just put the balance there out of whack.... AND THATS HOW THE YANKEES CAUSED THE TSUNAMI!!! 

This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 9:35 PM

spoon

03-19-2007, 05:43 PM

Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox? their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results. wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks? will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it. And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston. So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks. Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll. You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it.<img src="http://www.centralfloridamusic.com/gfx/cd-covers-Sarah-Hoffman-Hypocrite-small.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="200" /> always finds new ways to blame the Yankees... I hear they caused the tsunami right spoon?? They went recruiting there, with their money, and just put the balance there out of whack.... AND THATS HOW THE YANKEES CAUSED THE TSUNAMI!!! This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 9:35 PM You might want to look that word up tart boy.  You can't even for a second doubt me.  And why must we go through this again and again.  We all know it'll end with you calling Snoogans and he'll explain it to you and you'll just get pissed off.

Kevin

03-19-2007, 05:50 PM

spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox? their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results. wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks? will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it. And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston. So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks. Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll. You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it.<img src="http://www.centralfloridamusic.com/gfx/cd-covers-Sarah-Hoffman-Hypocrite-small.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="200" /> always finds new ways to blame the Yankees... I hear they caused the tsunami right spoon?? They went recruiting there, with their money, and just put the balance there out of whack.... AND THATS HOW THE YANKEES CAUSED THE TSUNAMI!!! This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 9:35 PM You might want to look that word up tart boy. You can't even for a second doubt me. And why must we go through this again and again. We all know it'll end with you calling Snoogans and he'll explain it to you and you'll just get pissed off. Please, you divert subjects when your wrong... This is the wrong year to blame the Yankees for shit, they have trimmed payroll, when others have spent ridiculously and driven the salaries WAY UP!

BoondockSaint

03-19-2007, 06:00 PM

Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox? their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results. wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks? will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it. And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston. So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks. Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll. You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it.<img src="http://www.centralfloridamusic.com/gfx/cd-covers-Sarah-Hoffman-Hypocrite-small.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="200" /> always finds new ways to blame the Yankees... I hear they caused the tsunami right spoon?? They went recruiting there, with their money, and just put the balance there out of whack.... AND THATS HOW THE YANKEES CAUSED THE TSUNAMI!!! This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 9:35 PM You might want to look that word up tart boy. You can't even for a second doubt me. And why must we go through this again and again. We all know it'll end with you calling Snoogans and he'll explain it to you and you'll just get pissed off. Please, you divert subjects when your wrong... This is the wrong year to blame the Yankees for shit, they have trimmed payroll, when others have spent ridiculously and driven the salaries WAY UP! What is the Yankee payroll this year?

Kevin

03-19-2007, 06:02 PM

BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox? their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results. wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks? will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it. And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston. So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks. Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll. You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it.<img src="http://www.centralfloridamusic.com/gfx/cd-covers-Sarah-Hoffman-Hypocrite-small.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="200" /> always finds new ways to blame the Yankees... I hear they caused the tsunami right spoon?? They went recruiting there, with their money, and just put the balance there out of whack.... AND THATS HOW THE YANKEES CAUSED THE TSUNAMI!!! This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 9:35 PM You might want to look that word up tart boy. You can't even for a second doubt me. And why must we go through this again and again. We all know it'll end with you calling Snoogans and he'll explain it to you and you'll just get pissed off. Please, you divert subjects when your wrong... This is the wrong year to blame the Yankees for shit, they have trimmed payroll, when others have spent ridiculously and driven the salaries WAY UP! What is the Yankee payroll this year? Its still ridiculosly high.. I think spoon posted it as 196, in the hockey thread... But it went down from 220 last year... The Mets were 2nd with 138 sox 125 or so.. But there are much more teams at the 100 mark or near it this year.

BoondockSaint

03-19-2007, 06:05 PM

Kevin wrote: BoondockSaint wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: Don Stugots wrote: now, leeeeeeeeeeeeeets play ball. Spoon, what about the Red Sox? their front office was a mess and they spent alot of $$$ without proven results. wouldnt that make them worse than the yanks? will there be a Red Sox hate thread? Not the same because the numbers were driven by one team and only now have they actually started to control it. And even at that level, the yank spending was WAY ahead of even Boston. So no, it doesn't make them worse then the yanks. Especially since they've won it more recently with that much lower payroll. You can make their hate thread if you like, but I can't fake it.<img src="http://www.centralfloridamusic.com/gfx/cd-covers-Sarah-Hoffman-Hypocrite-small.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="200" /> always finds new ways to blame the Yankees... I hear they caused the tsunami right spoon?? They went recruiting there, with their money, and just put the balance there out of whack.... AND THATS HOW THE YANKEES CAUSED THE TSUNAMI!!! This message was edited by Kevin on 3-19-07 @ 9:35 PM You might want to look that word up tart boy. You can't even for a second doubt me. And why must we go through this again and again. We all know it'll end with you calling Snoogans and he'll explain it to you and you'll just get pissed off.Please, you divert subjects when your wrong... This is the wrong year to blame the Yankees for shit, they have trimmed payroll, when others have spent ridiculously and driven the salaries WAY UP! What is the Yankee payroll this year? Its still ridiculosly high.. I think spoon posted it as 196, in the hockey thread... But it went down from 220 last year... The Mets were 2nd with 138 sox 125 or so.. But there are much more teams at the 100 mark or near it this year.How the hell are the Mets at 138?

LOAF

03-19-2007, 06:06 PM

Ummm...... What about a page for people who hate the Yankees, Sox, and Jays (Fuckin Joe Carter)"Don't you ever fuckin mention Mitch Williams in this studio again" - Ron BenningtonGo PhilliesNote to yankees fans..... Take my comments lightly and remember its been a while since we have won anything down here in phily!

Kevin

03-19-2007, 06:09 PM

That is what Spoons list said..

Kevin

03-19-2007, 06:12 PM

nevermind... the list didnt post right here. 

This message was edited by Kevin on 3-20-07 @ 4:54 AM

ralphbxny

03-19-2007, 06:21 PM

HATERS!!!!

spoon

03-19-2007, 06:23 PM

Kevin wrote: spoon wrote: You might want to look that word up tart boy. You can't even for a second doubt me. And why must we go through this again and again. We all know it'll end with you calling Snoogans and he'll explain it to you and you'll just get pissed off. Please, you divert subjects when your wrong... This is the wrong year to blame the Yankees for shit, they have trimmed payroll, when others have spent ridiculously and driven the salaries WAY UP! Divert what?  Are you insane?  The yanks have calmed down for now but wait until the trade deadline when they bring their salary up over 200 million again just like last year.  So I guess Abreu and Petite are low ball free agents huh?  Give me a break with this argument already.  They still have outspent every team in baseball by 60 million (6 all-stars at 10 million a pop)!  If you think that's nothing your insane.  And just wait when the 66 million dollar Jays win it all for 130 million less!  Suck it Kev, suck it!

BoondockSaint

03-19-2007, 06:24 PM

HAHA!!!  Kevin broke the thread.  Typical Yank fan.

spoon

03-19-2007, 06:25 PM

LOAF wrote: Ummm...... What about a page for people who hate the Yankees, Sox, and Jays (Fuckin Joe Carter)"Don't you ever fuckin mention Mitch Williams in this studio again" - Ron BenningtonGo PhilliesNote to yankees fans..... Take my comments lightly and remember its been a while since we have won anything down here in phily!Hell, I can definitely respect that!  I have to say that I would have been rooting for your Phils against any other team being a PA boy myself, but my Jays were there too.  I do have a problem with them last year just giving away players to the fucking yanks though.

BoondockSaint

03-19-2007, 06:30 PM

And from what I can find is that there are not set payrolls yet because of the fact that the rosters aren't set yet.  Like if Park and Sele make the team or not.  But the best I could find is an estimate for the Mets at 110 million.  Where's this list that had them at 138?

LOAF

03-19-2007, 06:35 PM

spoon wrote: LOAF wrote: Ummm...... What about a page for people who hate the Yankees, Sox, and Jays (Fuckin Joe Carter)"Don't you ever fuckin mention Mitch Williams in this studio again" - Ron BenningtonGo PhilliesNote to yankees fans..... Take my comments lightly and remember its been a while since we have won anything down here in phily!Hell, I can definitely respect that!  I have to say that I would have been rooting for your Phils against any other team being a PA boy myself, but my Jays were there too.  I do have a problem with them last year just giving away players to the fucking yanks though.  Um yeah, I was pissed because I am one of the few down here that actually liked Abreu, but after all those years with Ed Wade, I have some trust in Gillick. No one and I mean no one can be as bad as Ed Wade!!I am not going to run my mouth about playoffs because without someone behind Howard and an addition or two to the pen, we ain't goin nowhere.

King Hippos Bandaid

03-19-2007, 08:29 PM

<img src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiDkYv9FpkUBdBqjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsMW5yM3V oBHNlYwNwcm9mBHZ0aWQDSTA2Nl84OA--/SIG=12m93dvgn/EXP=1174451300/**http%3A//www.athlonsports.com/images/articles/BlueJays_HatLogo10.jpg" border="0" width="208" height="156" />Blue Jays Rule <img src="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMikEY_9F5eEAmWGjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsMW5yM3V oBHNlYwNwcm9mBHZ0aWQDSTA2Nl84OA--/SIG=128uvfeaf/EXP=1174451332/**http%3A//chompy.urizone.net/2005pic/061705-yankees.JPG" border="0" width="400" height="300" />Yankees Suck

spoon

03-19-2007, 10:29 PM

LOAF wrote: spoon wrote: LOAF wrote: Ummm...... What about a page for people who hate the Yankees, Sox, and Jays (Fuckin Joe Carter)"Don't you ever fuckin mention Mitch Williams in this studio again" - Ron BenningtonGo PhilliesNote to yankees fans..... Take my comments lightly and remember its been a while since we have won anything down here in phily!Hell, I can definitely respect that!  I have to say that I would have been rooting for your Phils against any other team being a PA boy myself, but my Jays were there too.  I do have a problem with them last year just giving away players to the fucking yanks though.  Um yeah, I was pissed because I am one of the few down here that actually liked Abreu, but after all those years with Ed Wade, I have some trust in Gillick. No one and I mean no one can be as bad as Ed Wade!!I am not going to run my mouth about playoffs because without someone behind Howard and an addition or two to the pen, we ain't goin nowhere. Funny how it has come full circle with Pat Gillick as well.

Kevin

03-20-2007, 12:56 AM

It looks like i fixed the thread... And Spoon... Thanks to the teams that you refuse to blame.... ALL STARS ARE NOW WORTH MUCH MORE THAN 10MIL!!!! Try at least 13..  suck it spoon, suck it !!

This message was edited by Kevin on 3-20-07 @ 4:58 AM

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:07 AM

You're an idiot Kev!  We have this same debate all year and every year and you still fail to see that the yankees set this whole process in motion, not the mets.  It was the yankee greed that led to all this, and yankee ties to MLB front offices that they still don't do something about the issue.  The luxury tax is nothing but a band-aid as opposed to the fix needed that George fights every year.  If they have truly changed their ways, why not support the change even a little?  Why dodge paying the tax at every turn?  Why is there no international draft yet?  And how is it that the yankees still have more payroll in the minor leagues then half of MLB's teams as well.  Ask Drew Henson how that's possible, and all those international question marks they throw decent money at to play in the minors and possible turn into top players.  If you buy most of them (a huge percentage of them since there is 30 teams) and drive up the price you control not only the MLB market, but also the prospect market since the majority now comes from outside the US anyway.  Hence the equalizer that is in place for all other sports, the draft, is almost useless in the end.  So let's here your diatribe on this as well or will you just spout out more idiotic useless points?  Only time will tell.  And leave your fucking room for a while please!<img src="http://graphics.boston.com/images/daily/31/yankees_ad.jpg" border="0" width="160" height="200" />  I still love that promotion baby!

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:09 AM

Here's a pic of ESD showing his true feelings towards King George!<img src="http://www.survivinggrady.com/steinbrenner.jpg" border="0" width="403" height="309" />

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:11 AM

<img src="http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/139396/p/f/johnnybashing10.jpg" border="0" width="356" height="256" />I remember Clemens saying something very similar.

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:15 AM

<img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/redsox1in04/yankeesqueer.jpg" border="0" width="288" height="288" />Says it all.

Kevin

03-20-2007, 01:21 AM

spoon wrote: You're an idiot Kev! We have this same debate all year and every year and you still fail to see that the yankees set this whole process in motion, not the mets. It was the yankee greed that led to all this, and yankee ties to MLB front offices that they still don't do something about the issue. The luxury tax is nothing but a band-aid as opposed to the fix needed that George fights every year. If they have truly changed their ways, why not support the change even a little? Why dodge paying the tax at every turn? Why is there no international draft yet? And how is it that the yankees still have more payroll in the minor leagues then half of MLB's teams as well. Ask Drew Henson how that's possible, and all those international question marks they throw decent money at to play in the minors and possible turn into top players. If you buy most of them (a huge percentage of them since there is 30 teams) and drive up the price you control not only the MLB market, but also the prospect market since the majority now comes from outside the US anyway. Hence the equalizer that is in place for all other sports, the draft, is almost useless in the end. So let's here your diatribe on this as well or will you just spout out more idiotic useless points? Only time will tell. And leave your fucking room for a while please!<img src="http://graphics.boston.com/images/daily/31/yankees_ad.jpg" border="0" width="160" height="200" /> I still love that promotion baby! ERRRR WHAT?? Do you ever read posts before you comment?? Your fucking making useless points... I never said the Yankee have not spent obscenely... I stated that they spent obscenely from 01-now... I was just stating that ever since Cashman took total control.. They have started to curb that... Will they always have the highest payroll?? Probably.. But the Diff now is, they are building a farm, so that the payroll is not so high.. You whole argument is, you watch, they will spend again... That may not be the case... They have some promising players in the farm, that could step in if needed.. Like Cano, Wang, Melky, did ... Bottom line is.... Those other teams u refuse to blame, fucked up the salary scale BIG TIME.. It does not matter a lick of shit, what their payroll is... bottom line,They drove the avg salary, at least up 3mil.. And none of those teams are named the Yankees.

Kevin

03-20-2007, 01:23 AM

 You think that all those silly, zany, wacky pics you guys post bother us?? QUITE THE CONTRARY MY FREIND... YOU FLATTER US WITH EM.. Because in order to raise and spawn this much hate... We gotta be really good, and win.... and oh yes.... WE ARE THAT... DAMN GOOD!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:28 AM

I knew you couldn't spell, but now I guess I'm finding out you simply can't read as well.  Sorry, you truly refuse to see the point to my argument and just zip by it as you blame other teams for following suit in what has been created years ago.  And don't for a fucking second act like Cashman is a god now and he never had anything to do with the likes of plenty of those free agent busts.  Revisionist history can be fun, but unfortunately for you some of us judge situations on fact and the past.  I love how you also think the yanks just happened to start spending after 01!  Funny that's when they stopped winning of course, and I'm sure when Cashman, the fucking GM for years, had no power, say or ability.  Oh and Wang, Cano and Melky were signed to international free agent contracts, so good point there too.  Most teams can't contend with the spending on all levels and those that can come close absolutely drive the rest up trying to stay in the arms races.  Without a true fix, the system will continue to have the worst competition in all of pro sports.  And that's a fucking fact.

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:36 AM

Sorry to burst your bubble too Kev, but the Cardinals are the champs, not the yanks.  Sorry.  So sorry.  And since the yanks only bought Petite, Abreu, Igawa I guess they didn't make any noise this year huh?

spoon

03-20-2007, 01:44 AM

Very interesting post on another site that I thought you'd like to read.  Interesting how the 2nd link shows that the yanks started under 200 million last year too Kev, so throw out your theory on payroll cut bc you know it's coming again.  The three players you added make more some full squads at over 35 million, and that's not counting the little guys like Doug M. that still add up for other teams.  Can you see how jaded you really are thinking those three additions for the full 2007 year aren't just little moves?  Dumb question bc you obviously can't.  And the yankee hate thing is an art too so if you like the pics don't worry they'll keep flowing in.  I hope many a yankee hater come to love this beautiful thread of mine.  <a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=33&passYear=2005&passList Type=Misc&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2= unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=30&resultsSort Properties=-numberfield2%2C%2Bnumberfield1&resultsSortCategory Name=Current+Value&category1=category&category2=ca tegory&passKeyword=" target="_blank">LINK</a> I read a lot of discussions (esp ALeast discussions) about how unfair it is that one can spend so much more then another team, the unfair advantages, etc. And just this morning I found an article on forbes.com about teams revenues, values, operating incomes, etc. Here are a few highlights that I found interesting: Top 10 MLB Revenues (MILL): 264 New York Yankees 201 Boston Red Sox 180 New York Mets 173 Seattle Mariners 170 Chicago Cubs 167 Philadelphia Phillies 166 Los Angeles Dodgers 162 Atlanta Braves 159 San Francisco Giants 155 Houston Astros Bottom 5 MLB Revenues: 107 Toronto Blue Jays 104 Kansas City Royals 103 Florida Marlins 102 Minnesota Twins 80 Washington Nationals <a href="http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp" target="_blank">LINK 2</a> 2006 Top 10 MLB Payrolls $194,663,079 New York Yankees $120,099,824 Boston Red Sox $103,472,000 Los Angeles Angels $102,750,667 Chicago White Sox $101,084,963 New York Mets $98,447,187 Los Angeles Dodgers $94,424,499 Chicago Cubs $92,551,503 Houston Astros $90,156,876 Atlanta Braves $90,056,419 San Francisco Giants 2006 Bottom 5 MLB Payrolls $47,294,000 Kansas City Royals $46,717,750 Pittsburgh Pirates $41,233,000 Colorado Rockies $35,417,967 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $14,998,500 Florida Marlins And this is what I found interesting.... I divided their 2006 Payroll by the 2005 Revenue(there will be a margin of error here) to get a clearer understanding of who really is shelling out in attempt to win. % or Revenue spent on Payroll 79% Washington Nationals 79% Chicago White Sox 74% New York Yankees 70% Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim 67% Toronto Blue Jays 66% Detroit Tigers 62% Minnesota Twins 60% Houston Astros 60% Boston Red Sox 59% Los Angeles Dodgers 59% St Louis Cardinals 57% San Francisco Giants 56% New York Mets 56% Atlanta Braves 55% Chicago Cubs 53% Oakland Athletics 53% Philadelphia Phillies 52% Milwaukee Brewers 51% Seattle Mariners 49% Baltimore Orioles 48% Cincinnati Reds 48% Texas Rangers 47% San Diego Padres 45% Kansas City Royals 44% Arizona Diamondbacks 43% Pittsburgh Pirates 40% Cleveland Indians 32% Tampa Bay Devil Rays 31% Colorado Rockies <br

spoon

03-20-2007, 02:02 AM

Here's your position by position breakdown and I'll be fair:LF:  Matsui (#1 player from Japan at the time huge money FA Signing)CF:  Damon (Great CF FA from rival Boston paid huge)RF:  Abreu (Late season trade/acquisition so another huge money deal/virtual FA pickup) Versus the Jay's outfield:LF:  Johnson (drafted by Toronto)CF:  Wells (drafted by Toronto)RF:  Rios (drafted by Toronto) And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  If we go into pitching it just continues.

Bulldogcakes

03-20-2007, 02:31 AM

spoon wrote:They still have outspent every team in baseball by 60 million Not quite. The Bosox spent 51 mil on the posting fee for Matsuzaka. That isn't "officially" included with their payroll, but its $ spent aquiring players, and narrows the gap some. Then throw in the Yanks posting fee on Igawa and you probably have a gap of around 25 mil. Still significant, but not the huge differences we've seen in past years. Plus, the Yanks never won a damn thing when the gap was the widest, so I think its a moot point anyway.  I could have sworn the Bosox were around 150 mil, even without the posting fee. But I'm too tired to look it up. Spoon is in mid-season form already!

crb1

03-20-2007, 04:19 AM

As I'm a firm believer in starting off baseball threads on a positive note, I think this is something all Jays fans would agree with:   <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/crb1/superman_2.gif" border="0" />      + <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/crb1/jesus-sacredht.jpg" border="0" />      = <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/crb1/hentgen.jpg" border="0" />

K.C.

03-20-2007, 12:31 PM

The Jays are an interesting team this year. The lineup and pen are solid, but their rotation could fall apart as easily as it could be very good. Halladay's one of the best, but Burnett has been a waste of talent for a long time. You'd think sooner or later he'd put together a 17-18 win season, because he's got the skill, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Chacin's decent and should get better provided he stays out of jail. Thomson's a downgrade from Lilly, though, and the #5 spot is awful. I think they could stay ahead of Boston again this year, but the Yankees will just bludgeon everyone to death in that division with their lineup.

Don Stugots

03-20-2007, 12:40 PM

spoon wrote: Here's your position by position breakdown and I'll be fair:LF: Matsui (#1 player from Japan at the time huge money FA Signing)CF: Damon (Great CF FA from rival Boston paid huge)RF: Abreu (Late season trade/acquisition so another huge money deal/virtual FA pickup) Versus the Jay's outfield:LF: Johnson (drafted by Toronto)CF: Wells (drafted by Toronto)RF: Rios (drafted by Toronto) And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If we go into pitching it just continues. Spoon, I'm sorry, i dont understand, are you saying the Jays Outfield is better than the Yanks or are you just comparing where the players came from?

Tall_James

03-20-2007, 12:50 PM

Spoon - I commend you for your dogged devotion to your Jays.  And for your utter disdain for the Yankees.  Here's to Toronto getting the Wild Card, finishing just 2 games behind the Red Sox in the American League East!

cougarjake13

03-20-2007, 05:54 PM

Don Stugots wrote: spoon wrote: Here's your position by position breakdown and I'll be fair:LF: Matsui (#1 player from Japan at the time huge money FA Signing)CF: Damon (Great CF FA from rival Boston paid huge)RF: Abreu (Late season trade/acquisition so another huge money deal/virtual FA pickup) Versus the Jay's outfield:LF: Johnson (drafted by Toronto)CF: Wells (drafted by Toronto)RF: Rios (drafted by Toronto) And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If we go into pitching it just continues. Spoon, I'm sorry, i dont understand, are you saying the Jays Outfield is better than the Yanks or are you just comparing where the players came from?   i think he's just trying to say the jays developed from within while the yanks either signed or traded for their outfield

spoon

03-21-2007, 03:05 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: spoon wrote: They still have outspent every team in baseball by 60 million Not quite. The Bosox spent 51 mil on the posting fee for Matsuzaka. That isn't "officially" included with their payroll, but its $ spent aquiring players, and narrows the gap some. Then throw in the Yanks posting fee on Igawa and you probably have a gap of around 25 mil. Still significant, but not the huge differences we've seen in past years. Plus, the Yanks never won a damn thing when the gap was the widest, so I think its a moot point anyway.  I could have sworn the Bosox were around 150 mil, even without the posting fee. But I'm too tired to look it up. Spoon is in mid-season form already! Here's the problem with that logic BDC, if you count all the yankee postings to international free agents, some just kids, you'd only widen the gap....even with the Red Sox.  Nobody, I repeat, nobody spends more in this field and it's usually for minor league players at contracts way above the average so they can stockpile talent since there is no draft.  And I'm no proponent of the Japanese posting system, but you act as if the Yankees weren't in that race too.  Oh and the gap isn't as big bt the top three teams per say, but how about vs. the bottom half which is all but out of the race every year.  Or hell, vs. the average MLB salary.  It's very rare that a team comes in and competes at very low salary, and it's usually the perfect storm of talent and young players on the cheap coming of age at the right time.  Notice though, it's a hit and run system for everyone else, if they're lucky!  The only other teams that do compete are those lucky enough to empolyee the best minds in baseball.  Which of course I don't think the yanks have bc I could line up WS titles with that payroll over the last 5 years sorry.  Losing with the yankees is like playing EA's MLB baseball on playstation on the easy mode when you trade all the stars to your team and create monster players yet still lose for five years straight.  I'm happy it keeps happening, but the league is still a mess none-the-less.

spoon

03-21-2007, 03:06 AM

crb1 wrote: As I'm a firm believer in starting off baseball threads on a positive note, I think this is something all Jays fans would agree with:   <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/crb1/superman_2.gif" border="0" width="188" height="224" />      + <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/crb1/jesus-sacredht.jpg" border="0" width="178" height="250" />      = <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/crb1/hentgen.jpg" border="0" width="317" height="432" /> It's PATMAN!

spoon

03-21-2007, 03:21 AM

K.C. wrote: The Jays are an interesting team this year. The lineup and pen are solid, but their rotation could fall apart as easily as it could be very good. Halladay's one of the best, but Burnett has been a waste of talent for a long time. You'd think sooner or later he'd put together a 17-18 win season, because he's got the skill, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Chacin's decent and should get better provided he stays out of jail. Thomson's a downgrade from Lilly, though, and the #5 spot is awful. I think they could stay ahead of Boston again this year, but the Yankees will just bludgeon everyone to death in that division with their lineup. Being honest I disagree on the starting pitching and bullpen.  I think you have it reversed to be honest.  With Halladay at 1 we're surely set and most teams don't have a true 1.  At #2 Burnett won 10+ games while missing almost half the season and continues to make huge strides with his old pitching coach.  He's added an awesome changeup to compliment his great fastball and I promise you he's breaking out this year with close to 20 wins.  Chacin is a huge question mark with the DUI and his ability to labor in innings.  He has been working on a quicker tempo this spring training and it seems to be helping, but he still needs work keeping the ball down.  He tends to get knocked around all of a sudden after 4 great innings.  I don't think it's stamina, but concentration issues.  At #4 and #5 I'm really not too worried bc they have so many pitchers with lifetime .500 type records (similar to Lilly) such as Okha, Thompson and "Victor", along with Towers looking sharp again and some kids like Jansen ready to break out.  I truly think they have this area covered better than last year even with Lilly gone.  Think about it, Chacin and Burnett were both out half the year, Towers was off the whole year and the Jays used rookies for three rotation spots for months.  So all in all I think it's much better this year with more depth due to vet signing (mid to low level forgotten ptichers with ability), and all their kids having got great MLB experience and gained confidence. The bullpen however, the Jays lost a huge chip in Speier.  Can Ryan repeat his year from 2006?  It'll be tough to be that on.  And they lost their main lefty out of the pen in Scott Schoenweiss, and he simply was very effective in that role.  The Mets will be smart to keep him away from the other hitters, but in his role he'll sit down the best of hitters over and over again.  Also, the kid (Romero) who helped out amazingly in the pen at the end of the season went down in spring training with a torn labrum.  He was slated for major setup help to replace Speier as he was almost perfect in the last two months of the season.  Sure the other young pitchers got a lot of great experience last year, but this is where the Jays try to stay young and cheap which simply weakens their ability not having hardened vets to turn to and even lead the pen.  They are incredibly young in the pen and it surely is the big ? of the jays pitching.  If they work out, I see really good things for the Jays overall.  Yet if not, I see a lot of lost hard fought leads established by the starting rotation in the 6th, 7th and 8th innings.  Here's to hoping for the former and not the latter! Cheers!

spoon

03-21-2007, 03:24 AM

Don Stugots wrote: spoon wrote: Here's your position by position breakdown and I'll be fair:LF: Matsui (#1 player from Japan at the time huge money FA Signing)CF: Damon (Great CF FA from rival Boston paid huge)RF: Abreu (Late season trade/acquisition so another huge money deal/virtual FA pickup) Versus the Jay's outfield:LF: Johnson (drafted by Toronto)CF: Wells (drafted by Toronto)RF: Rios (drafted by Toronto) And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If we go into pitching it just continues. Spoon, I'm sorry, i dont understand, are you saying the Jays Outfield is better than the Yanks or are you just comparing where the players came from?   These weren't my points per say, but I'd surely argue that defensively the Jays have an edge on any team's outfield.  Offensively I'd say the Jays have the edge slightly as the yank OF can hit pretty damn well too though.  Yet if I could pick either going forward I'd easily pick the Jay's outfield over just about any in the whole major league.  Who else is close?  I'm seriously asking for comparison reasons.

spoon

03-21-2007, 03:26 AM

Tall_James wrote: Spoon - I commend you for your dogged devotion to your Jays.  And for your utter disdain for the Yankees.  Here's to Toronto getting the Wild Card, finishing just 2 games behind the Red Sox in the American League East!Thank TJ.  And that's funny, I was thinking the same thing with the Sox and Jays switching places!  Yet I'd sign up now for either situation as long as the yanks don't see the playoffs and the Jays make it.  I'd love to see the yank fans deal with no baseball in October for years.

spoon

03-21-2007, 03:27 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: Don Stugots wrote: spoon wrote: Here's your position by position breakdown and I'll be fair:LF: Matsui (#1 player from Japan at the time huge money FA Signing)CF: Damon (Great CF FA from rival Boston paid huge)RF: Abreu (Late season trade/acquisition so another huge money deal/virtual FA pickup) Versus the Jay's outfield:LF: Johnson (drafted by Toronto)CF: Wells (drafted by Toronto)RF: Rios (drafted by Toronto) And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If we go into pitching it just continues. Spoon, I'm sorry, i dont understand, are you saying the Jays Outfield is better than the Yanks or are you just comparing where the players came from?   i think he's just trying to say the jays developed from within while the yanks either signed or traded for their outfieldIndeed CJ!  Indeed sir.

crb1

03-21-2007, 04:28 AM

spoon wrote: K.C. wrote: The Jays are an interesting team this year. The lineup and pen are solid, but their rotation could fall apart as easily as it could be very good. Halladay's one of the best, but Burnett has been a waste of talent for a long time. You'd think sooner or later he'd put together a 17-18 win season, because he's got the skill, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Chacin's decent and should get better provided he stays out of jail. Thomson's a downgrade from Lilly, though, and the #5 spot is awful. I think they could stay ahead of Boston again this year, but the Yankees will just bludgeon everyone to death in that division with their lineup. Being honest I disagree on the starting pitching and bullpen. I think you have it reversed to be honest. With Halladay at 1 we're surely set and most teams don't have a true 1. At #2 Burnett won 10+ games while missing almost half the season and continues to make huge strides with his old pitching coach. He's added an awesome changeup to compliment his great fastball and I promise you he's breaking out this year with close to 20 wins. Chacin is a huge question mark with the DUI and his ability to labor in innings. He has been working on a quicker tempo this spring training and it seems to be helping, but he still needs work keeping the ball down. He tends to get knocked around all of a sudden after 4 great innings. I don't think it's stamina, but concentration issues. At #4 and #5 I'm really not too worried bc they have so many pitchers with lifetime .500 type records (similar to Lilly) such as Okha, Thompson and "Victor", along with Towers looking sharp again and some kids like Jansen ready to break out. I truly think they have this area covered better than last year even with Lilly gone. Think about it, Chacin and Burnett were both out half the year, Towers was off the whole year and the Jays used rookies for three rotation spots for months. So all in all I think it's much better this year with more depth due to vet signing (mid to low level forgotten ptichers with ability), and all their kids having got great MLB experience and gained confidence. The bullpen however, the Jays lost a huge chip in Speier. Can Ryan repeat his year from 2006? It'll be tough to be that on. And they lost their main lefty out of the pen in Scott Schoenweiss, and he simply was very effective in that role. The Mets will be smart to keep him away from the other hitters, but in his role he'll sit down the best of hitters over and over again. Also, the kid (Romero) who helped out amazingly in the pen at the end of the season went down in spring training with a torn labrum. He was slated for major setup help to replace Speier as he was almost perfect in the last two months of the season. Sure the other young pitchers got a lot of great experience last year, but this is where the Jays try to stay young and cheap which simply weakens their ability not having hardened vets to turn to and even lead the pen. They are incredibly young in the pen and it surely is the big ? of the jays pitching. If they work out, I see really good things for the Jays overall. Yet if not, I see a lot of lost hard fought leads established by the starting rotation in the 6th, 7th and 8th innings. Here's to hoping for the former and not the latter! Cheers!I need to find the story, but someone wrote an article comparing Ohka and another cheap starter (may have been Thomson) to a couple of more expensive guys (e.g. Meche, Padilla, Lilly). The stat lines were very similar. I seem to remember Ohka having some injury issues the past few seasons, but if he's healthy he good be a nice addition to the back of the rotation.And I agree with Spoon on Burnett. The little I saw of him last year looked very good. Again, if healthy (which he seems to be), he could ha

sailor

03-21-2007, 11:18 AM

ok, i get the yankee hate.  what i don't get is how they're "greedy".  who's greedy?  wouldn't it be greedy for george to take the many millions he brings in and just put it in his pocket?  how is it greedy to take his own money and give it to players?  sounds pretty altruistic to me!

ralphbxny

03-21-2007, 11:42 AM

sailor wrote: ok, i get the yankee hate.  what i don't get is how they're "greedy".  who's greedy?  wouldn't it be greedy for george to take the many millions he brings in and just put it in his pocket?  how is it greedy to take his own money and give it to players?  sounds pretty altruistic to me! They named an area of Staten Island where the Single A yanks play after George....St. Georges!!!

ralphbxny

03-21-2007, 11:43 AM

sailor wrote: ok, i get the yankee hate.  what i don't get is how they're "greedy".  who's greedy?  wouldn't it be greedy for george to take the many millions he brings in and just put it in his pocket?  how is it greedy to take his own money and give it to players?  sounds pretty altruistic to me! It's words like that!!! It makes me question you really living in the Bronx!

Kevin

03-21-2007, 05:10 PM

Lets end this THREAD  right now.... Spoon is right, he is always right, no need for logic and arguments. Spoons is right.. He is so smart and great and fantastic.. That when any sports team want to make deals or signings, they call him... Spoon is right, everyone is wrong....  LOCK HER UP!!!!

spoon

03-22-2007, 03:56 AM

Kevin wrote: Lets end this THREAD  right now.... Spoon is right, he is always right, no need for logic and arguments. Spoons is right.. He is so smart and great and fantastic.. That when any sports team want to make deals or signings, they call him... Spoon is right, everyone is wrong....  LOCK HER UP!!!!I think I need to add to the title of this thread and make it a Kevin/Albanian shithead dedication thread as well.  You're clinically insane since we equally argue the same topic and you never bring facts to the table but simply keep yelling.  You really might be going insane.  Go for a walk and realize the yankees are evil and ruin baseball for the masses.  It's simple fact that Albanians are known as front running cowards!  I learned it from Nightline and Bosnia.

This message was edited by spoon on 3-22-07 @ 8:17 AM

spoon

03-22-2007, 03:57 AM

And by "let's" who the fuck does the us refer to?  Speak for yourself bitch boy.

spoon

03-22-2007, 04:00 AM

Perhaps you meant yourself and Snoogan's Car, my bad.  Proceed mr. penguin.<img src="http://www.rit.edu/~smn1104/409/midterm/penguin.jpg" border="0" width="248" height="312" />

Don Stugots

03-22-2007, 04:00 AM

spoon wrote: Kevin wrote: Lets end this THREAD right now.... Spoon is right, he is always right, no need for logic and arguments. Spoons is right.. He is so smart and great and fantastic.. That when any sports team want to make deals or signings, they call him... Spoon is right, everyone is wrong....  LOCK HER UP!!!!I think I need to add to the title of this thread and make it a Kevin/Albanian shithead dedication thread as well. You're clinically insane since we equally argue the same topic and you never bring facts to the table but simply keep yelling. You really might be going insane. Go for a walk and realize the yankees are evil and ruin baseball for the masses. It's simple fact that Albanians are know as front running cowards! I learned it from Nightline and Bosnia. Baseball aside now, that was phunny.

spoon

03-22-2007, 04:05 AM

Damn hot for a penguin to be just running around!  <img src="http://img.adamsandler.jt.org/movies/billy_madison/billylook.jpg" border="0" width="170" height="150" />My example of a conversation with Kev below.  <img src="http://www.myspacenow.com/myspace/animated181.gif" border="0" width="140" height="120" />

TheMojoPin

03-22-2007, 07:47 AM

Gamera is really neat.He is filled with turtle meat.

spoon

03-30-2007, 12:06 AM

Zambrano can sure up the fifth rotation spot with a solid outing tomorrow. Can you believe it?

Bulldogcakes

03-30-2007, 02:24 AM

Zambrano can sure up the fifth rotation spot with a solid outing tomorrow. Can you believe it?

Is this the Met hate thread now too?

ralphbxny

03-30-2007, 09:16 AM

FRUUNKKIISSS!!!!

I hope Rios and Wells have an awesome year!!!

I have them on my fantasy team!!

spoon

03-30-2007, 03:46 PM

Nice!

Kevin

03-30-2007, 05:06 PM

Spoon, Clear your PM... I want to PM you somthing.

spoon

03-31-2007, 10:43 AM

Looks like Towers gets the 5 spot as they want the real Zambrano to get a little more time on the mound before he starts games. Also, Towers has rebounded nicely so far from 2006.

And Kev, clear you head I want to eat a pizza while watching Wang on the DL.

J.Clints

03-31-2007, 11:47 AM

I hate the fucking Yankees........I root for everyone except the yankees

JPMNICK

03-31-2007, 12:08 PM

I hate the fucking Yankees........I root for everyone except the yankees

you can root for the chatanooga spittoons you hayseed

J.Clints

03-31-2007, 12:11 PM

Hey ass am I not allowed to hate the Yankees. You can kiss my ass.

J.Clints

03-31-2007, 12:16 PM

By the way asshole its theCHattanooga Lookout who are the AA team for the reds so I will root for them. OHH by the way go f your self.

JPMNICK

03-31-2007, 12:21 PM

By the way asshole its theCHattanooga Lookout who are the AA team for the reds so I will root for them. OHH by the way go f your self.

i was kidding! i can totally relate to the Yankee hate, it is the same way I feel about the redsox and the cowboys.

except this is the year the yankee pitching gels in time for the playoffs, and the bats come alive and they win it all

J.Clints

03-31-2007, 12:22 PM

i was kidding! i can totally relate to the Yankee hate, it is the same way I feel about the redsox and the cowboys.

except this is the year the yankee pitching gels in time for the playoffs, and the bats come alive and they win it all

I thought you were but I am in a bad mood so I am sorry for the way I went off.......

JPMNICK

03-31-2007, 12:53 PM

I thought you were but I am in a bad mood so I am sorry for the way I went off.......

not a problem. sometimes sarcasm and jokes are hard to interprit through text.

J.Clints

03-31-2007, 01:01 PM

Some times!
But I am in a lot of pain and have been an ass hole today.

cougarjake13

03-31-2007, 01:12 PM

im hoping the jays win the division or at least the wild card

i went to a few of their spring training games and they looked good

spoon

04-01-2007, 09:48 AM

im hoping the jays win the division or at least the wild card

i went to a few of their spring training games and they looked good

Here's to hoping for a Mets/Jays World Series! Cheers.

Seriously though, isn't it weird both teams are facing last year's World Series teams on opening day? Coincidence???

BoondockSaint

04-01-2007, 10:00 AM

Here's to hoping for a Mets/Jays World Series! Cheers.

Seriously though, isn't it weird both teams are facing last year's World Series teams on opening day? Coincidence???

The Mets were supposed to open against Atlanta then MLB changed it.

cougarjake13

04-01-2007, 11:19 AM

Here's to hoping for a Mets/Jays World Series! Cheers.

Seriously though, isn't it weird both teams are facing last year's World Series teams on opening day? Coincidence???

dont know but last years opener was white sox indians and astros faced the marlins and that didnt work out too well for those teams

spoon

04-01-2007, 04:57 PM

dont know but last years opener was white sox indians and astros faced the marlins and that didnt work out too well for those teams

But this is the big zero 7!!! It's fate I know it. Either that or I'm high on the glue I've been using to put some shit together at home. You pick!

lleeder

04-02-2007, 01:35 PM

Congrats on a great win Spoon and you other Blue Jay fans. :ohmy:

Kevin

04-02-2007, 02:04 PM

Nice win today, gotta give ya props, on the road against a good team.

spoon

04-02-2007, 02:46 PM

Funny, the hitting went real cold after the first inning and that old ugly beast called middle infield D surfaced once again. Still, the bullpen (Jansen, Frasor and Ryan) looked awesome, while Clayton made some plays at short that may have been booted last year. So all in all I'm happy, but Halladay should have got the win as that error led to a unearned run and a lot of extra pitches. Yet I'm sure he's happy with the team win as am I.

Another thing that shocked me was that the Jays stole two bags on Pudge in the first inning. While Toronto overall is slow, it seems they'll be apt to run in order to stay away from the DP with the slow boys of Thomas, Glaus, Zaun and even Overbay for that matter in the lineup.

Kevin

04-02-2007, 03:05 PM

Hey Spoon. Watchin Meche, Dominate Bos, It must kinda hurt that you did not get him.. I do not blame The Jays though, He got way more, than anyone thought he was going to get.

cougarjake13

04-02-2007, 04:51 PM

But this is the big zero 7!!! It's fate I know it. Either that or I'm high on the glue I've been using to put some shit together at home. You pick!

it'll be the victor zambrano series

spoon

04-03-2007, 12:23 AM

Hey Spoon. Watchin Meche, Dominate Bos, It must kinda hurt that you did not get him.. I do not blame The Jays though, He got way more, than anyone thought he was going to get.

I really wanted Meche and even at that price thought the Jays needed him way more then a 40 year old Thomas. So I was really pissed he signed with KC, but it's better then him going to another AL East team or AL playoff ready team for that matter.

I forget who they were, but Mojo and some others thought he wasn't good at all but his stuff screamed he's just one step from being dominant. A change of team and a playoff hunt was all he needed in my mind bc his late ball movement, good velocity and age were what made me think he was ready. However, it is one start and I think the KC grind will eventually wear on him as the season continues. Meche and Speier are the two biggest fuck ups the Jays had in the offseason. Yet keeping Wells was huge so I can't be too mad huh?

Kevin

04-03-2007, 08:02 PM

I really wanted Meche and even at that price thought the Jays needed him way more then a 40 year old Thomas. So I was really pissed he signed with KC, but it's better then him going to another AL East team or AL playoff ready team for that matter.

I forget who they were, but Mojo and some others thought he wasn't good at all but his stuff screamed he's just one step from being dominant. A change of team and a playoff hunt was all he needed in my mind bc his late ball movement, good velocity and age were what made me think he was ready. However, it is one start and I think the KC grind will eventually wear on him as the season continues. Meche and Speier are the two biggest fuck ups the Jays had in the offseason. Yet keeping Wells was huge so I can't be too mad huh?

Well there are times, when one player comes in, and changes the mindset of a whole organization.. and gets them on a winning mindset.. Paul O'Neill, Boggs, Key, did it for The Yanks, Mainly Key as a pitcher...I don't know if meche is that good, to do it... You think he can be another Carpenter?? Where he just needed a change of scenery, and developed at a certain age?? I know, that Meche always pitched great against the Yanks, no matter, how shitty the M's were. So he does have pretty good talent.

BoondockSaint

04-03-2007, 08:56 PM

Well there are times, when one player comes in, and changes the mindset of a whole organization.. and gets them on a winning mindset.. Paul O'Neill, Boggs, Key, did it for The Yanks, Mainly Key as a pitcher...I don't know if meche is that good, to do it... You think he can be another Carpenter?? Where he just needed a change of scenery, and developed at a certain age?? I know, that Meche always pitched great against the Yanks, no matter, how shitty the M's were. So he does have pretty good talent.

Your math needs work.

Kevin

04-03-2007, 08:58 PM

Your math needs work.

Yea, i know, thats why later, i basically based it on, Key, as a pitcher.

Actualy no.... I am just an idiot.. But you kinda know what i mean, sometimes, one player can change a whole team.

spoon

04-04-2007, 03:09 AM

Thank God Boonie pointed that out so you didn't go nuts on me AGAIN bc I was just about to jump on it too. As for Carpenter, he was pretty good on real shitty Blue Jay teams in the past, so that had a ton to do with it. Also he was young and raw still, and suffered a big injury before he left. The Jays brass (Gord Ash/worst GM ever in Toronto) decided not to resign him with the injury issue even though he was developing very nicely just as Halladay would do a little later. The magic years for some pitchers seem to be 30 for some strange reason, especially locater types in the vain of Carpenter with a decent fastball. I wasn't pleased with the move (or lack there of) but to be truthful, he would have cost them decent money as they were still building up. In all honesty, he and other people they simply lost should have been moved in order to stock pile more youth/talent in the early part of the 2000s.

Overall I'm happy with JP, but I'm still not pleased with his pitching moves (or lack there of again) and signing of an aging DH as well as an aging SS on the cheap versus a true fix for the middle infield to go with the team's youth and direction. Meche, Lilly and a true/young defensive SS would have been the right move and Lind (among others) could easily have filled the DH role.

Kevin

04-04-2007, 12:14 PM

* SPY REPORT *

AJ Burnett sucks balls

Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
A Burnett 2.0 5 6 6 4 2 0 55-26 27.00

Love ya Spoony:tongue:

crb1

04-04-2007, 12:22 PM

*SPY REPORT*

The Detroit Bullpen also sucks balls. The Jays just put up 7 in the 8th to make it 10-9.

spoon

04-04-2007, 03:30 PM

* SPY REPORT *

AJ Burnett sucks balls

Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
A Burnett 2.0 5 6 6 4 2 0 55-26 27.00

Love ya Spoony:tongue:

OK, reading the stat line doesn't give you the full story. The weather in Detroit was brutal and balls were falling in all over and it was so windy that pitches were even being effected. Overall he just wasn't sharp and also unlucky as ball were falling in with the swirling winds. In fact, the Detroit bullpen fell victim to the same shit as the Jays didn't really smoke the ball in that comeback attempt as at least three hits fell in that probably wouldn't on a normal day. If only Glaus's liner would have gotten over Mag's head, the Jays would have been 2-0. Funny enough, that was one of the better hit balls of the inning and resulted in an out. Driving the ball was less effective if it stayed in the park then hitting up into the wind. No shit.

Bulldogcakes

04-04-2007, 03:42 PM

*SPY REPORT*

The Detroit Bullpen also sucks balls. The Jays just put up 7 in the 8th to make it 10-9.

I wouldn't read much into that. Blowouts tend to be managed differently, you'll use pitchers you dont normally use to see what they've got. So its pretty common that a big early lead will tighten up over the course of the game.

The story here, is how really really windy and rainy it was which ruined what would have been a no-hitter by AJ Burnett.

Kevin

04-04-2007, 03:45 PM

OK, reading the stat line doesn't give you the full story. The weather in Detroit was brutal and balls were falling in all over and it was so windy that pitches were even being effected. Overall he just wasn't sharp and also unlucky as ball were falling in with the swirling winds. In fact, the Detroit bullpen fell victim to the same shit as the Jays didn't really smoke the ball in that comeback attempt as at least three hits fell in that probably wouldn't on a normal day. If only Glaus's liner would have gotten over Mag's head, the Jays would have been 2-0. Funny enough, that was one of the better hit balls of the inning and resulted in an out. Driving the ball was less effective if it stayed in the park then hitting up into the wind. No shit.

Yea, I know. Plus its early... I was just busting your balls.. Your team showed a lot coming back, like they did.. They could packed it in... Shitty weather, huge deficit. But they still fought, and almost pulled it off.. Impressive.

spoon

04-04-2007, 05:32 PM

I wouldn't read much into that. Blowouts tend to be managed differently, you'll use pitchers you dont normally use to see what they've got. So its pretty common that a big early lead will tighten up over the course of the game.

The story here, is how really really windy and rainy it was which ruined what would have been a no-hitter by AJ Burnett.

Whatever smart ass! Burnett was clearly off his game, but it wasn't to the tune the numbers came in as. As for the relievers used, the Tigers used there normal setup and closer so there goes that argument. The only guy they didn't use that they normally would was Zumaya (sp?) due to his work in the first game. Research, not generalizations might help you in your posts BDC. Perhaps this is why you are a republican who believes the Enron/Shell/Texaco-Chevron paid environmental scientists as well. Yet research takes work and makes too much sense. Simply post something and that'll make it a fact.

cougarjake13

04-04-2007, 05:35 PM

Whatever smart ass! Burnett was clearly off his game, but it wasn't to the tune the numbers came in as. As for the relievers used, the Tigers used there normal setup and closer so there goes that argument. The only guy they didn't use that they normally would was Zumaya (sp?) due to his work in the first game. Research, not generalizations might help you in your posts BDC. Perhaps this is why you are a republican who believes the Enron/Shell/Texaco-Chevron paid environmental scientists as well. Yet research takes work and makes too much sense. Simply post something and that'll make it a fact.

hey no politcs in my sports thread

spoon

04-05-2007, 04:54 PM

Here's how bad it was in Detroit.

"Both managers were pleased at the decision to cancel Thursday's game, especially after watching swirling winds repeatedly fool fielders from both teams in Wednesday's 10-9 Tigers' win.

"Playing in those conditions with two good teams, that isn't baseball," Toronto manager John Gibbons said.

Said Leyland: "I think the conditions today are worse [than Wednesday], because it's colder. It's actually snowing on and off; it's brutal today. That's just the way it is. I think anyone with halfway intelligence would say it was a wise decision. Now maybe somebody's upset who was going to come out here and have his shirt off in the left-field bleachers. I'm sure there would've been a few of those today. But it wouldn't have been me, I can tell you that."

Hill said he had never experienced anything like Wednesday's weather, even after enduring sleeting rain in a game he was playing in Akron, Ohio, while with Double-A New Hampshire.

"Yesterday there was a point -- in the fifth or sixth inning -- when it dropped probably eight degrees," Hill said. "I went out there and I was like, 'Man, I can't feel my thumb.'"

....And some more here....

"How windy was it? Blue Jays second baseman Aaron Hill said he's played in some poor weather, but nothing compared to the high winds during Wednesday's loss to Detroit. The wind had gusts that reached nearly 50 mph late in the game.

In the eighth inning, Tigers outfielder Craig Monroe hit a popup that appeared destined for the stands in foul territory on the first-base side, according to Hill. That was until the wind took over.

"[The ball] went up and it just looked like it stopped and took an immediate left," Hill said with a laugh. "It was unbelievable. I had never seen anything like it.

"I caught that ball near second base," he added. "[First baseman Lyle Overbay] was running toward the stands and I stayed at second. Lyle was in a panic, saying 'Aaron!'" "

spoon

04-08-2007, 06:03 PM

Nice rebound by my Jays to take 2 of 3 from an impressive Rays team. They should have swept them, but BJ just isn't up to par just yet due to very little work in the spring. He'll be fine and got the save the next day after he blew his first since last July against Oakland.

However, the Rays have some real good young talent and will be anything but a pushover this year. Ask the yanks. Kazmir struck out the first 8 of 9 batters only giving a hr to Wells in the middle. Yet the Jays are real deep like most AL East, hell AL team overall, and were able to get to him later. Halladay looked ok, but still not his dominant self in picking up the win in a matchup of aces. I really like the kid the rays picked up at 3rd base and can't believe the team speed they have. I've hardly seen such a fast team.

spoon

04-10-2007, 09:27 PM

Not a nice game last night, but that kid on the Royals now beat the Sox and Jays back to back allowing only one is both. Kid looks good.

crb1

04-11-2007, 03:54 AM

Not a nice game last night, but that kid on the Royals now beat the Sox and Jays back to back allowing only one is both. Kid looks good.

Greinke has looked really good in both his starts. He's still young (23, I think), and he was projected to be a potential ace before he ran into some emotional issues. If he's over them, he could become one of the top pitchers in the AL.

BoondockSaint

04-15-2007, 08:13 AM

Bj Ryan goes on the DL with a bad elbow. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2838176)

cougarjake13

04-15-2007, 08:23 AM

Bj Ryan goes on the DL with a bad elbow. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2838176)

ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

dont tell spoon

Kevin

04-15-2007, 11:19 AM

Just watched some of the tiger jays game on mlb.tv.. Nice game by Towers.. Zumiya is fucking nasty... any word on how bad BJ's elbow is?? Just a 15 day thing??

BoondockSaint

04-15-2007, 11:22 AM

Just watched some of the tiger jays game on mlb.tv.. Nice game by Towers.. Zumiya is fucking nasty... any word on how bad BJ's elbow is?? Just a 15 day thing??

During the game they said that the Jays think he strained a tendon but they are sending him to see Dr. Andrews and that is never a good sign.

Kevin

04-15-2007, 11:26 AM

During the game they said that the Jays think he strained the flexor tendon but they are sending him to see Dr. Andrews and that is never a good sign.

Ouch, yea.. thats like a black hole.. once you go there, your done for a while... Although Wang went there in 05, and he was back that year, but it still took 2 months.. But usualy, its a done for a long while thing...

cougarjake13

04-15-2007, 03:36 PM

Ouch, yea.. thats like a black hole.. once you go there, your done for a while... Although Wang went there in 05, and he was back that year, but it still took 2 months.. But usualy, its a done for a long while thing...

who else do they got to close ???

spoon

04-15-2007, 08:45 PM

Marcum got the save today 1-2-3, but Frasor is the man unless League finds his velocity and arm in trip A. Frasor had 17 saves or something around that back in his rookie year when the Jays simply didn't have a qualified closer. He has said in the past that he (Frasor) thinks it's the coolest position in baseball bar none. So at least you know he wants the job. He looks real good this year so far and has hit 98 on the radar gun, but usually hits 95 with regularity. I hope Ryan comes back soon, but the relief core sure could use Speier now.

spoon

04-16-2007, 10:59 PM

Wow, can we get any more DL hits!? Glaus goes on with his hamstring/left heel bone spur, Johnson to miss at least 2 months electing to have surgery on a herniated disc in his back and Ryan is out 4-6 week with a tendon issue in his throwing elbow! WTF!? Tie in that they have already lost League to arm issues and velocity problems (lost 10mph on his fast ball now in the low 90's not up to 101) and a few other key bullpen pitchers this is going to be a real rough stretch. It's really up to the starting pitching to step up and the likes of Wells, Rios, Hill and call up Lind. I've been touting this kid Lind for a long time in their system, so now is the time to shine. So far so good as he's 4-8 with 2 rbis and now moving to #2 in the lineup. He by no means is as good as Johnson defensively though, not many are. Smith and MacDonald bring better D then Glaus, but they can't even come close to his production in the lineup. And Ryan, he was huge for the Jays last year and he'll be the toughest to replace. He didn't miss a save opt until July last year, and this year he already has two due to the elbow issue. Who has more injuries right now, the yanks or the Blue Jays?

Kevin

04-17-2007, 08:42 AM

Wow, can we get any more DL hits!? Glaus goes on with his hamstring/left heel bone spur, Johnson to miss at least 2 months electing to have surgery on a herniated disc in his back and Ryan is out 4-6 week with a tendon issue in his throwing elbow! WTF!? Tie in that they have already lost League to arm issues and velocity problems (lost 10mph on his fast ball now in the low 90's not up to 101) and a few other key bullpen pitchers this is going to be a real rough stretch. It's really up to the starting pitching to step up and the likes of Wells, Rios, Hill and call up Lind. I've been touting this kid Lind for a long time in their system, so now is the time to shine. So far so good as he's 4-8 with 2 rbis and now moving to #2 in the lineup. He by no means is as good as Johnson defensively though, not many are. Smith and MacDonald bring better D then Glaus, but they can't even come close to his production in the lineup. And Ryan, he was huge for the Jays last year and he'll be the toughest to replace. He didn't miss a save opt until July last year, and this year he already has two due to the elbow issue. Who has more injuries right now, the yanks or the Blue Jays?

We have basically the same amount of Injuries.. But your guys are out much longer than ours.. Its ridiculous how many guys you have are out at least 6 weeks..

spoon

04-26-2007, 09:26 PM

And yet they pulled out their third win in a row to send the yanks to their 6th loss straight! This coming after they called that game last night when it very well could have been fit in as the rain all but stopped at 8 or so. WFAN was talking about it today.

I got to see this Hughes kid pitch last night and he has some good change of speed on his pitches but good hitters in the lineup were able to get a jump on his fastball (90-93) from what I saw last night. It just didn't seem to have much movement and the Jays were able to drive balls pretty well if they weren't off balance and waited on the fastball as Vernon and Rios seemed to do. Other then that, it sucked to see both these teams go into battle with badly damaged teams. Jeter didn't play for the yanks while Zuan was added to the wounded in action list for the Jays and had fucking surgery on his non-displaced hand fracture yesterday! Now the Jays have 7 fucking people on the DL and last year's total was 8! Can they continue to battle like this!? I say yes if the starters continue to step up, and the bullpen continues to amaze me. Outside of the blown saves by Ryan (inury seemed to be at play) and Marcum, the likes of the bullpen has really been on fire. To this day, Downs and Accardo haven't been scored on yet and stranded most inherited runners as well.

Long way to go that's for sure, but bridging the gap until they get some of the big names back can really set them up nicely. Glaus should be back soon, but Ryan, Johnson, Zaun, League, Romero and Thompson should take some time. That makes three starters (position players), our closer, one starter and two top bullpen flamethrowers out for some time. So far Lind, MacDonald, Smith and Frasor have done quite well at filling the holes and it has to be building the Toronto team's confidence as they now continue to find ways to win after an initial down trend.

7fttall500+

05-09-2007, 08:45 AM

look out Blue Jay fans here comes those damn Yankees!!!!!

BoondockSaint

05-11-2007, 04:53 PM

Unreal. Yesterday they announce that Ryan was done for the year and now Halliday is gone for 6 weeks with appendicitis. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2867991) Oh, and just to top it off Troy Glaus left tonight's game with a leg injury. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2868074)

spoon

05-12-2007, 10:30 AM

Unreal indeed. The Jays surpassed last year's DL totals in fucking April and Boonie just gave the you the recent fucking news in May for them. You're welcome Directv MLB package! I can't wait to watch the Syracuse Chiefs play the AL East this year! I bet I know how that'll work out. Fuck me!

What makes it even worse is that the players out all played specific roles that aren't easily filled, Staff Ace, Closer, Lead Off, Main Catcher. What else could be worse? Oh and their #3 as well is out of the rotation when they only had a good top 3! Leaving the most inconsistent of all of them being Burnett. The only other main role player and important role player that is left to me is Wells. He's the defensive anchor of the outfield, clubhouse leader and almost always our solid #3 lineup hitter with many tools. I'm not sure a rival team could have hand picked more debilitating injuries for the Jays. Who would you switch to hurt us more other then Wells for Zaun? And one can argue he calls a much better game then either of the other catchers, knows the staff really well and easily has the most upside at the plate. Fuck, ckuf, kucf!

King Hippos Bandaid

05-12-2007, 10:39 AM

Unreal indeed. The Jays surpassed last year's DL totals in fucking April and Boonie just gave the you the recent fucking news in May for them. You're welcome Directv MLB package! I can't wait to watch the Syracuse Chiefs play the AL East this year! I bet I know how that'll work out. Fuck me!

What makes it even worse is that the players out all played specific roles that aren't easily filled, Staff Ace, Closer, Lead Off, Main Catcher. What else could be worse? Oh and their #3 as well is out of the rotation when they only had a good top 3! Leaving the most inconsistent of all of them being Burnett. The only other main role player and important role player that is left to me is Wells. He's the defensive anchor of the outfield, clubhouse leader and almost always our solid #3 lineup hitter with many tools. I'm not sure a rival team could have hand picked more debilitating injuries for the Jays. Who would you switch to hurt us more other then Wells for Zaun? And one can argue he calls a much better game then either of the other catchers, knows the staff really well and easily has the most upside at the plate. Fuck, ckuf, kucf!

Welcome Back Spoony, I still gotta thank you for Aaron Hill Plays SS and Has Been Kicking Ass, Im 3-1 since picking him up. Sorry bout those injuries, your Team is good enough to compete witht he Yanks and Saux

:king:

spoon

05-12-2007, 10:48 AM

Well they'd surely be doing much better not having to bat out of position so much along with having much more protection in the lineup. To be honest, I'd really think twice about using a Jay's player in fantasy right now. Their lineup is decimated and their rotation is worse! They're missing their leadoff hitter (Johnson), #4 hitter (Glaus), #6 hitter (Zaun) which in turn creates havoc to the lineup all over the place. Their O is weak, the D is suspect and the pitching is fucking awful. So you do the math.

cougarjake13

05-12-2007, 12:43 PM

Well they'd surely be doing much better not having to bat out of position so much along with having much more protection in the lineup. To be honest, I'd really think twice about using a Jay's player in fantasy right now. Their lineup is decimated and their rotation is worse! They're missing their leadoff hitter (Johnson), #4 hitter (Glaus), #6 hitter (Zaun) which in turn creates havoc to the lineup all over the place. Their O is weak, the D is suspect and the pitching is fucking awful. So you do the math.

offensivley other than wells who's got any fantasy value ???

spoon

05-12-2007, 02:35 PM

Well when right they have quite a few. Johnson puts up great leadoff stats, Rios in the #2 or #6 spot is a real good threat, Glaus was really mashing the ball all over the field but hasn't been able to stay healthy of late either and for a 2nd baseman Hill can really put up the stats as well. I expected more from Overbay no doubt but called the Thomas slow down which really wasn't hard. If he didn't have to hold the whole team up with Wells I'm sure he'd be better off, but right now that's not an option.

If the Jays can stay around .500 up to the all-star break, they'll have a shot at getting in this WC race. To get in the division race they'll need a big slow down by Boston as they're pitching is fucking top shelf and that's been the way to go for years now. Funny JP a money baller didn't make that a focus over Thomas. They'd be able to scrap so much better right now with Meche, Lilly, Eaton, Redman or some other free agent hurlers. So around the all-star break the Jays will have back a healthy Chacin, Halladay, League, Glaus, Johnson and Zaun at least. There's no way in hell that can't help.

Accardo looked good closing this last game, so perhaps he'll take the lead there.

J.Clints

05-12-2007, 02:37 PM

ohh yea I hate the Yankees

spoon

05-28-2007, 09:42 AM

WOW!

Look at these pitching matchups!

Monday, May 28 Rogers Centre | 7:07 PM ET

Matt DeSalvo, RHP (1-1, 5.29) Yankees (21-27) @ Dustin McGowan, RHP (0-2, 7.17)
Blue Jays (22-27)

Scouting Report:
Yankees: DeSalvo is scheduled to return to the Yankees' rotation after a stint in long relief, making his first career start at Rogers Centre. He's hoping to return to better results after making two strong first impressions, both against Seattle. The right-hander was lifted from the rotation after allowing four runs and six hits over 3 1/3 innings in a May 17 start at Chicago. He was poor in his lone relief appearance, retiring no batters and allowing three hits and three runs on Friday night against the Angels. He also walked two and threw a wild pitch in that outing. He takes a start that could have gone to Roger Clemens, who instead will make another Minor League start at Triple-A.

Blue Jays: Dustin McGowan made progress in his last start, avoiding the big inning in a six-inning performance against Baltimore on Wednesday. The right-hander was able to limit the damage after falling into a few jams, but still was handed a loss due to a lack of run support. McGowan struck out three and walked two in the defeat, in which he gave up eight hits. McGowan is 0-0 with a 6.75 ERA in five career appearances, including one start, against the Yankees.

Tuesday, May 29 Rogers Centre | 7:07 PM ET

Andy Pettitte, LHP (3-3, 2.66) Yankees (21-27) @ Shaun Marcum, RHP (2-2, 4.33)
Blue Jays (22-27)

Scouting Report:
Yankees: Pettitte takes the hill at Rogers Centre after logging seven innings of one-run, nine-hit ball against the Red Sox in his last start. Pettitte has pitched much better than his three victories would indicate; after his last start, teammate Doug Mientkiewicz opined that Pettitte probably could have seven or eight wins to his credit by now. Pettitte is 10-3 with a 4.30 ERA in 15 career games (14 starts) at Toronto.

Blue Jays: Marcum has been sharp since joining Toronto's rotation. In three starts, the right-hander is 1-0 with a 2.84 ERA while strking out 15 and walking six over 10 innings. On Thursday, Marcum earned a no-decision after giving up four runs on six hits with two strikeouts and two walks over seven innings against Baltimore. Three of those runs came on one swing by shortstop Miguel Tejada, who belted a sinker outside the strike zone for a home run. Marcum is 1-1 with a 7.23 ERA in six career games, including four starts, against the Yankees.

Wednesday, May 30 Rogers Centre | 7:07 PM ET

Tyler Clippard, RHP (1-1, 3.60) Yankees (21-27) @ Jesse Litsch, RHP (1-1, 4.24)
Blue Jays (22-27)

Scouting Report:
Yankees: Clippard pitched at a different ballpark in the same city, but his results changed greatly from Shea Stadium to Yankee Stadium. The right-hander, who three-hit the Mets in his Major League debut last Sunday, gave up six hits and three earned runs in four innings against the Angels on Friday night, never finding good control of his fastball. He struck out one batter and didn't walk any in the losing effort.

Blue Jays: Litsch, making just his fourth Major League start, has had trouble keeping his pitches down in the zone in his past two starts. In that span he has gone 0-1 with a 7.56 ERA and only struck out one batter. The Jays hope he can duplicate the performance he gave in his Major League debut, when he set a Blue Jays record by tossing 8 2/3 innings against the Orioles.

spoon

05-28-2007, 09:44 AM

Welcome to the real world of developing your talent yankee fucks! $200 million plus and your 8th in the wild card race! Worst dollars to win ratio in the majors even when you win around 90 games. Even with the Jays so banged up and the bad moves over the past year, I take solace in watching the spank fans bitch and moan.

King Hippos Bandaid

05-28-2007, 10:49 AM

WOW!

Look at these pitching matchups!

Monday, May 28 Rogers Centre | 7:07 PM ET

Matt DeSalvo, RHP (1-1, 5.29) Yankees (21-27) @ Dustin McGowan, RHP (0-2, 7.17)
Blue Jays (22-27)

Scouting Report:
Yankees: DeSalvo is scheduled to return to the Yankees' rotation after a stint in long relief, making his first career start at Rogers Centre. He's hoping to return to better results after making two strong first impressions, both against Seattle. The right-hander was lifted from the rotation after allowing four runs and six hits over 3 1/3 innings in a May 17 start at Chicago. He was poor in his lone relief appearance, retiring no batters and allowing three hits and three runs on Friday night against the Angels. He also walked two and threw a wild pitch in that outing. He takes a start that could have gone to Roger Clemens, who instead will make another Minor League start at Triple-A.

Blue Jays: Dustin McGowan made progress in his last start, avoiding the big inning in a six-inning performance against Baltimore on Wednesday. The right-hander was able to limit the damage after falling into a few jams, but still was handed a loss due to a lack of run support. McGowan struck out three and walked two in the defeat, in which he gave up eight hits. McGowan is 0-0 with a 6.75 ERA in five career appearances, including one start, against the Yankees.

Tuesday, May 29 Rogers Centre | 7:07 PM ET

Andy Pettitte, LHP (3-3, 2.66) Yankees (21-27) @ Shaun Marcum, RHP (2-2, 4.33)
Blue Jays (22-27)

Scouting Report:
Yankees: Pettitte takes the hill at Rogers Centre after logging seven innings of one-run, nine-hit ball against the Red Sox in his last start. Pettitte has pitched much better than his three victories would indicate; after his last start, teammate Doug Mientkiewicz opined that Pettitte probably could have seven or eight wins to his credit by now. Pettitte is 10-3 with a 4.30 ERA in 15 career games (14 starts) at Toronto.

Blue Jays: Marcum has been sharp since joining Toronto's rotation. In three starts, the right-hander is 1-0 with a 2.84 ERA while strking out 15 and walking six over 10 innings. On Thursday, Marcum earned a no-decision after giving up four runs on six hits with two strikeouts and two walks over seven innings against Baltimore. Three of those runs came on one swing by shortstop Miguel Tejada, who belted a sinker outside the strike zone for a home run. Marcum is 1-1 with a 7.23 ERA in six career games, including four starts, against the Yankees.

Wednesday, May 30 Rogers Centre | 7:07 PM ET

Tyler Clippard, RHP (1-1, 3.60) Yankees (21-27) @ Jesse Litsch, RHP (1-1, 4.24)
Blue Jays (22-27)

Scouting Report:
Yankees: Clippard pitched at a different ballpark in the same city, but his results changed greatly from Shea Stadium to Yankee Stadium. The right-hander, who three-hit the Mets in his Major League debut last Sunday, gave up six hits and three earned runs in four innings against the Angels on Friday night, never finding good control of his fastball. He struck out one batter and didn't walk any in the losing effort.

Blue Jays: Litsch, making just his fourth Major League start, has had trouble keeping his pitches down in the zone in his past two starts. In that span he has gone 0-1 with a 7.56 ERA and only struck out one batter. The Jays hope he can duplicate the performance he gave in his Major League debut, when he set a Blue Jays record by tossing 8 2/3 innings against the Orioles.

damn, looks like a matchup between the Syracuse Chiefs and the Scranton-Wilkes Barre Yankess

lleeder

05-28-2007, 12:00 PM

Welcome to the real world of developing your talent yankee fucks! $200 million plus and your 8th in the wild card race! Worst dollars to win ratio in the majors even when you win around 90 games. Even with the Jays so banged up and the bad moves over the past year, I take solace in watching the spank fans bitch and moan.

I've missed you Spoon. Good to see your hate has not been diminished.

spoon

05-30-2007, 08:47 PM

Never doubt my yankee hate! Especially for that dick hole A-Rod and his cum sucking ass robbing pal Jeter. Yet we all know Clemens is coming with steroids for all and the season will be saved! Don't worry Giambi, you can test positive once a year and continue to act like you're sorry. Nice work pig face.

7fttall500+

06-01-2007, 11:19 AM

Never doubt my yankee hate! Especially for that dick hole A-Rod and his cum sucking ass robbing pal Jeter. Yet we all know Clemens is coming with steroids for all and the season will be saved! Don't worry Giambi, you can test positive once a year and continue to act like you're sorry. Nice work pig face.

Let's Go Yankees!!!!!

Crippler

06-01-2007, 11:26 AM

Never doubt my yankee hate! Especially for that dick hole A-Rod and his cum sucking ass robbing pal Jeter. Yet we all know Clemens is coming with steroids for all and the season will be saved! Don't worry Giambi, you can test positive once a year and continue to act like you're sorry. Nice work pig face.

Awwww...we've missed you so!

spoon

06-03-2007, 08:44 AM

Awwww...we've missed you so!

Mute it Justice lover!

spoon

06-05-2007, 12:24 AM

fuck!

when do the injuries stop!?

spoon

06-05-2007, 09:03 PM

What a comeback!!!!!

cougarjake13

06-06-2007, 01:05 PM

What a comeback!!!!!

if they ever bring up contraction talks again the d rays have to be at the top of the list

btw starting in 2008 they will no longer be called the devil rays

just the rays and their uni's will be blue and yellow

spoon

06-07-2007, 12:55 AM

They have some real good young talent on that team with Crawford, Upton, Kaz, Baldelli, Pena and more. The main reason for contraction there is the support and management. They never seem to get a good run going.

El Mudo

06-17-2007, 03:42 PM

No sweep this time Spoonie.... :wink:

Kevin

06-17-2007, 05:11 PM

Burnett feels pain in right shoulder; likey headed to DL (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2907275)

Just amazing how much he gets hurt.

cougarjake13

06-18-2007, 03:39 AM

Burnett feels pain in right shoulder; likey headed to DL (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2907275)

Just amazing how much he gets hurt.

he's the blue jays version of carl pavano

man you just gotta wonder about those former marlins

spoon

06-18-2007, 02:05 PM

No sweep this time Spoonie.... :wink:

I told you it wasn't likely with Towers taking the hill. Towers blows but we all can't throw out 20+ million on top of 200 million to right the rotation huh assholes! You know who I'm looking at! Fuck MLB.

Kevin

06-18-2007, 02:06 PM

I told you it wasn't likely with Towers taking the hill. Towers blows but we all can't throw out 20+ million on top of 200 million to right the rotation huh assholes! You know who I'm looking at! Fuck MLB.

You ever could you be speaking of???

spoon

06-18-2007, 02:11 PM

he's the blue jays version of carl pavano

man you just gotta wonder about those former marlins

I couldn't disagree more! Here's why:

1) Toronto fans actually like and respect the effort being put in by AJ.
2) He has had some amazing outings of late too where he's the bad luck loser giving up 2-3 hits over 8-9 innings with 10+ Ks. That's really not his fault.
3) He missed a ton of last year and still got to double digit wins. And the biggest reason he got badly injured is bc he tried to return too soon with other pitchers out last year.
4) His stuff and routine have been good almost every outing. He works extremely hard when on the DL and the whole team has nothing but good to say about him.
5) Halladay loves the guy and said in time he'll be unstopable. If he can get away from his shoulder/arm issues. It's just the way it is unfortunately. But look at how many pitches he threw in the last few games before the one he got the injury! They really should lighten his load more with the bullpen pitching as well as it has for Toronto. It's a case like Torre with Proctor and Mo, only AJ HAS a huge injury/fatigue issue and those two don't.

lleeder

06-18-2007, 03:05 PM

Burnett feels pain in right shoulder; likey headed to DL (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2907275)

Just amazing how much he gets hurt.

I heard it happened after he raced some peppers and strained too hard trying to win.

cougarjake13

06-18-2007, 05:06 PM

I couldn't disagree more! Here's why:

1) Toronto fans actually like and respect the effort being put in by AJ.
2) He has had some amazing outings of late too where he's the bad luck loser giving up 2-3 hits over 8-9 innings with 10+ Ks. That's really not his fault.
3) He missed a ton of last year and still got to double digit wins. And the biggest reason he got badly injured is bc he tried to return too soon with other pitchers out last year.
4) His stuff and routine have been good almost every outing. He works extremely hard when on the DL and the whole team has nothing but good to say about him.
5) Halladay loves the guy and said in time he'll be unstopable. If he can get away from his shoulder/arm issues. It's just the way it is unfortunately. But look at how many pitches he threw in the last few games before the one he got the injury! They really should lighten his load more with the bullpen pitching as well as it has for Toronto. It's a case like Torre with Proctor and Mo, only AJ HAS a huge injury/fatigue issue and those two don't.

well i was more comparing them with the injuries and being former marlins, not their effort and production on the mound

lleeder

06-18-2007, 05:10 PM

well i was more comparing them with the injuries and being former marlins, not their effort and production on the mound

Thats good cause Spoon had several more bullet points lined up if he needed them.

A.J.

06-19-2007, 05:13 AM

1) Toronto fans actually like and respect the effort being put in by AJ.

I really appreciate their support but I wish I could get the same respect in America.

spoon

06-19-2007, 02:03 PM

Sheepy horn time!

Bulldogcakes

07-08-2007, 04:30 PM

Jays Shopping Burnett? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/could-jays-shop.html)

[QUOTE]Could Jays Shop Burnett?

A.J. Burnett timed his contract year perfectly, reaching career highs with 32 starts and 209 innings in 2005 for the Marlins. He even would've made another start that year, but he ripped the team publicly in September and the Marlins asked him to leave.

The outburst didn't diminish interest in Burnett during the 2005-06 offseason; reportedly 22 teams expressed interest. The Cardinals and Nationals submitted offers, but Toronto won with five years and $55MM. The deal was panned at the time, but the money looks reasonable now that the pitching market has shifted upward.

Burnett's stay in Toronto over the past 1.5 years has been laden with DL trips. This time he got a cortisone shot in his sore shoulder and hopes to return shortly before the July 31st trade deadline. Jeff Blair of The Globe and Mail believes J.P. Ricciardi might try to cut ties with Burnett this month, if he can convince some team to gamble on his nasty stuff.

Here's the contract situation. He has about $6MM left this year, and $12MM in '08. At that point, Burnett can opt out of the contract. Prior to 2009 season, Burnett must decide whether he can top a two-year, $24MM deal on the open market. That will depend mainly on his health in 2008.

Could Ricciardi really convince a GM to gamble on Burnett's health and also bear the risk of being stuck with him through 2010? Not likely. Not even if Burnett comes back and tosses a no-hitter on July 30th. The money would be tricky - perhaps Ricciardi would agree to shoulder some of the load if Burnett chooses to honor his contract for 2009-10 (for that would imply that he's not really worth $24MM over that span).
/QUOTE]

sailor

01-12-2008, 02:00 PM

glaus-rolen trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3193566)

ZigZagBigBag

01-12-2008, 04:00 PM

aren't glaus and rolen kinda similar? big, slow third basemen who can swing a big bat but are often injured. no kelly gruber that's for sure.

http://www.mopupduty.com/kellygruber5.jpg

cougarjake13

01-12-2008, 06:10 PM

aren't glaus and rolen kinda similar? big, slow third basemen who can swing a big bat but are often injured. no kelly gruber that's for sure.

yeh only glaus is younger but they both are injury prone and put up similar numbers

spoon

01-12-2008, 08:48 PM

yeh only glaus is younger but they both are injury prone and put up similar numbers

And Rolen is one hell of a fielder, and actually is much faster then Glaus.....which isn't saying much I guess.

cougarjake13

01-13-2008, 05:07 AM

And Rolen is one hell of a fielder, and actually is much faster then Glaus.....which isn't saying much I guess.

either way i think it will work out for both teams

A.J.

01-13-2008, 08:36 AM

Spoon, I'll leave it to you to start the '08 edition of this thread.