Should I live or shall I die?

[nevnut]

<p>There's been a few posting lately that seems&nbsp; it's &quot;all about them&quot;.</p><p>This poll has nothing to do about me other than this cute little polar bear has the same first name as me:</p><p><img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/nevnut/polar2DM1903_468x389.jpg" border="0" width="320" height="266" /></p><p><img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/nevnut/polarDM1903_468x380.jpg" border="0" width="320" height="260" /></p><p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=443343&amp;in_page_id=181 1&amp;ico=Homepage&amp;icl=TabModule&amp;icc=picbox&amp;ct=5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=443343&amp;in_page_id=181 1&amp;ico=Homepage&amp;icl=TabModule&amp;icc=picbox&amp;ct=5</a></p><p>Animal right activists want to&nbsp;euthanize this cub because it's mother abandoned it and it has been bottle feed.</p><p>I say just as long as it's healthy and doesn't seem distressed, keep feeding it and let it live.&nbsp; It's was going to be a zoo animal anyways.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[lleeder]

<font size="3">I don't understand this but die anyway</font>

[Don Stugots]

i dont want Nevnut to die.&nbsp; the bear is cute.&nbsp; what difference does it make if its mom is dead?&nbsp;

[nevnut]

<strong>lleeder</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3">I don't understand this but die anyway</font> <p>What's there not to understand.</p><p>Animal right activists want to kill it because it's being bottle-fed instead of nursing.</p>

[cupcakelove]

Only a German animal rights group would demand the death of an animal.

[Wallower]

He looks like Kuma. They should give him to a lil' Japanese girl.

[FezPaul]

<p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">If we lose nevnut we lose ynos77's greatest work of art.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="Courier New" size="2">And that would be tragic.</font></strong></p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>lleeder</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3">I don't understand this but die anyway</font> <p>What's there not to understand.</p><p>Animal right activists want to kill it because it's being bottle-fed instead of nursing.</p><p>If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and can't possibly fend for itself on any level, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable killing machine that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.</p>

[nevnut]

<strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">If we lose nevnut we lose ynos77's greatest work of art.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="Courier New" size="2">And that would be tragic.</font></strong></p><p>I so love that sig-pic!</p>

[nevnut]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>lleeder</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3">I don't understand this but die anyway</font> <p>What's there not to understand.</p><p>Animal right activists want to kill it because it's being bottle-fed instead of nursing.</p><p>If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and can't possibly fend for itself on any level, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable killing machine that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.</p><p>Good point.</p><p>I'm sure this is not the first time this has happened&nbsp;to a polar bear or any bear or zoo animal for that matter.&nbsp;</p><p>I haven't really heard of any news stories about the rusults of this in the past, but I'm sure there's plenty.&nbsp; I'm too lazy to research it.</p><p>I still say let it live and if it becomes a problem than euthanize.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>lleeder</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3">I don't understand this but die anyway</font> <p>What's there not to understand.</p><p>Animal right activists want to kill it because it's being bottle-fed instead of nursing.</p><p>If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and can't possibly fend for itself on any level, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable killing machine that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.</p><p>Good point.</p><p>I'm sure this is not the first time this has happened&nbsp;to a polar bear or any bear or zoo animal for that matter.&nbsp;</p><p>I haven't really heard of any news stories about the rusults of this in the past, but I'm sure there's plenty.&nbsp; I'm too lazy to research it.</p><p>I still say let it live and if it becomes a problem than euthanize.</p><p>I've seen documentaries where zoos take in polar bear cubs after their mother died and the keepers always go out of their way to maintain minimal physical contact with the bear, especially not holding it or feeding it directly.&nbsp; Now this was always with the idea of raising the bear to ultimately be set back into the wild once it grew up or to put it in zoo with other polar bears, maybe that's not the case here...but then this bear would have to forever live on its own since the other bears would immediately reject and attack it because it had been around and handled by humans so much.</p>

[Fat_Sunny]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br />If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and <font style="background-color: #ffff99">can't possibly fend for itself on any level</font>, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable <font style="background-color: #ffff00">killing machine</font> that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.<p><font size="2">A &quot;Killing Machine&quot; That &quot;Can't Possibly Fend For Itself On Any Level&quot;.&nbsp; An Oxymoron, Wouldn't You Say?<br /><br />(Because Of MojoPin's Recent Good Behavior, Fat Did Not Phrase That The Way He Might Have&nbsp;A Month&nbsp;Ago.&nbsp; Then He Would Have Said : &quot;An Oxymoron, Wouldn't You Say, Moron?&quot;)&nbsp; There Are Advantages To Being New Best Friends!</font></p><p><font size="2">Anyway, How Could Anyone Kill That Little Critter?&nbsp; Fat Couldn't.&nbsp; If You Are Worried About Animal Trainers Or Zoo Keepers Being Killed, Then Let's Make It Their Decision.&nbsp; But Fat Will Wager There Is Not A Zookeeper Or Animal Trainer In The World That Would Kill&nbsp;That Polar Bear Cub.<br /></font></p>

[FezPaul]

<strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">Release it in the antarctic, no other polar bears to worry about and all the penguins it can eat! <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" width="46" height="20" /></font></strong>

[nevnut]

<strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">Release it in the antarctic, no other polar bears to worry about and all the penguins it can eat! <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" width="46" height="20" /></font></strong> <p>It might even snack on a few scientists.</p>

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>Fat_Sunny</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br />If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and <font style="background-color: #ffff99">can't possibly fend for itself on any level</font>, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable <font style="background-color: #ffff00">killing machine</font> that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.<p><font size="2">A &quot;Killing Machine&quot; That &quot;Can't Possibly Fend For Itself On Any Level&quot;.&nbsp; An Oxymoron, Wouldn't You Say?</font></p><p><font size="2">It can't fend for itself in terms of finding food or dealing with other bears.&nbsp; It might still be able to be to be taught to find it's own food, but it's totally screwed when it comes to being around its own kind.&nbsp; It'll have to be kept isolated for its entire life.&nbsp; And just because it'll get rocked by its own kind doesn't mean it can't lash out randomly and swipe a keeper's head off with a mighty paw.&nbsp; That's where the &quot;killing machine&quot; part comes in.&nbsp; &quot;Domesticated&quot; as it is, you can't toally seperate it from that part of itself.<br /><br />(Because Of MojoPin's Recent Good Behavior, Fat Did Not Phrase That The Way He Might Have&nbsp;A Month&nbsp;Ago.&nbsp; Then He Would Have Said : &quot;An Oxymoron, Wouldn't You Say, Moron?&quot;)&nbsp; There Are Advantages To Being New Best Friends!</font></p><p><font size="2">Don't be such a condescending prick.&nbsp; I don't need your permission or need to worry about your response when it comes to what I post, so I don't appreciate the implication that I should, cutesy as it may be.&nbsp; If you want to have a discussion, fine, let's have one...don't toss in these pointless little asides that have nothing to do with anything in this thread.</font></p><p><font size="2">Anyway, How Could Anyone Kill That Little Critter?&nbsp; Fat Couldn't.&nbsp; If You Are Worried About Animal Trainers Or Zoo Keepers Being Killed, Then Let's Make It Their Decision.&nbsp; But Fat Will Wager There Is Not A Zookeeper Or Animal Trainer In The World That Would Kill&nbsp;That Polar Bear Cub.<br /></font></p><p>Hey, it's not like I WANT him dead...I'm just trying to explain why I think some might see the need for him to be put down.&nbsp; Personally, it sounds like these keepers fucked up and kind of suck at their job.</p>

[ralphbxny]

<p>Should it stay or should it go?</p><p>If it stays it could be trouble....if it goes there could be trouble?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Yuppie_Scum]

<font size="2">I think we should let the Eskimos eat it ... that's what Gaia (aka Mother Earth) would have wanted.</font>

[TheMojoPin]

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[TheMojoPin]

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[LOAF]

<strong>ralphbxny</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Should it stay or should it go?</p><p>If it stays it could be trouble....if it goes there could be trouble?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" border="0" width="28" height="30" /><img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" /></p>

[Don Stugots]

<strong>FezPaul</strong> wrote:<br /><p><strong><font face="courier new,courier" size="2">If we lose nevnut we lose ynos77's greatest work of art.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font face="Courier New" size="2">And that would be tragic.</font></strong></p><p>&nbsp;No you wouldnt.&nbsp; someone could steal it like they did with ESD's sig. </p>

[Doctor Z]

<hr width="100%" size="2" /><font face="verdana" size="1" color="black">Animal right activists want to&nbsp;euthanize this cub because it's mother abandoned it. </font><hr width="100%" size="2" /><font face="verdana" size="1" color="black"></font><p><br />I hear the father was a Black Bear! </p>

[flavopop]

I dont want that cute lil fella to die, but Im betting big bucks that Ronnie B could knock him out!

[KC2OSO]

<strong>flavopop</strong> wrote:<br />I dont want that cute lil fella to die, but Im betting big bucks that Ronnie B could knock him out!<p>&nbsp;Wait, is this a robot-bear or a real bear&quot;</p>

[Snacks]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Fat_Sunny</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br />If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and <font style="background-color: #ffff99">can't possibly fend for itself on any level</font>, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable <font style="background-color: #ffff00">killing machine</font> that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.<p><font size="2">A &quot;Killing Machine&quot; That &quot;Can't Possibly Fend For Itself On Any Level&quot;.&nbsp; An Oxymoron, Wouldn't You Say? </font></p><p><font size="2">It can't fend for itself in terms of finding food or dealing with other bears.&nbsp; It might still be able to be to be taught to find it's own food, but it's totally screwed when it comes to being around its own kind.&nbsp; It'll have to be kept isolated for its entire life.&nbsp; And just because it'll get rocked by its own kind doesn't mean it can't lash out randomly and swipe a keeper's head off with a mighty paw.&nbsp; That's where the &quot;killing machine&quot; part comes in.&nbsp; &quot;Domesticated&quot; as it is, you can't toally seperate it from that part of itself.<br /><br />(Because Of MojoPin's Recent Good Behavior, Fat Did Not Phrase That The Way He Might Have&nbsp;A Month&nbsp;Ago.&nbsp; Then He Would Have Said : &quot;An Oxymoron, Wouldn't You Say, Moron?&quot;)&nbsp; There Are Advantages To Being New Best Friends! </font></p><p><font size="2">Don't be such a condescending prick.&nbsp; I don't need your permission or need to worry about your response when it comes to what I post, so I don't appreciate the implication that I should, cutesy as it may be.&nbsp; If you want to have a discussion, fine, let's have one...don't toss in these pointless little asides that have nothing to do with anything in this thread.</font></p><p><font size="2">Anyway, How Could Anyone Kill That Little Critter?&nbsp; Fat Couldn't.&nbsp; If You Are Worried About Animal Trainers Or Zoo Keepers Being Killed, Then Let's Make It Their Decision.&nbsp; But Fat Will Wager There Is Not A Zookeeper Or Animal Trainer In The World That Would Kill&nbsp;That Polar Bear Cub.<br /></font></p><p>Hey, it's not like I WANT him dead...I'm just trying to explain why I think some might see the need for him to be put down.&nbsp; Personally, it sounds like these keepers fucked up and kind of suck at their job.</p><p>How can 1 person be so ass backwards. Fat leans so far right on every issue but shows a heart when it comes to a polar bear cub???</p><p>Mojo I dont know if its worth your time responding/explaining to him. You may start to confuse yourself. Next thing you know you will be siding with him on issues!!!&nbsp;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Snacks on 3-20-07 @ 8:09 PM</span>

[Fat_Sunny]

<strong>Snacks</strong> wrote:<br />How can 1 person be so ass backwards. <font size="1" style="background-color: #ffff00">Fat leans so far right on every issue </font>but shows a heart when it comes to a polar bear cub???<p>Mojo I dont know if its worth your time responding/explaining to him. You may start to confuse yourself. Next thing you know you will be siding with him on issues!!!&nbsp;</p><p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Snacks on 3-20-07 @ 8:09</span></p><p><span class="post_edited">__________________________________________________ ____________________________</span></p><p><span class="post_edited"><font size="2">No, Not Necessarily Right, But Toward Liberty And Individual Rights.&nbsp; Read Fat's Post On The Slavery Thread.&nbsp; Does That Sound Right-Wing?</font></span></p><p><span class="post_edited"><font size="2">And There Is Nothing Incompatible With&nbsp;Being Libertarian&nbsp;And&nbsp;Protecting A Polar Bear Cub!</font></span></p><p><span class="post_edited"><font size="2"></font></span></p>

[DonInNC]

<p>Wow, this thread has really polarized the board.</p>

[Tall_James]

Let the bear live in captivity for God's sake.&nbsp; Why kill a living creature when he can bring joy to legions of elementary school kids on field trips?&nbsp; I'm sure when he's getting his 150 lbs of hand selected Cod everyday he won't be pining for oily penguin meat.&nbsp; And if he is...throw him a school kid every once in a while.

[Doctor Z]

<strong>Tall_James</strong> wrote:<br />Let the bear live in captivity for God's sake. Why kill a living creature when he can bring joy to legions of elementary school kids on field trips? I'm sure when he's getting his 150 lbs of hand selected Cod everyday he won't be pining for <span style="background-color: #ffff00">oily penguin meat</span>. And if he is...throw him a school kid every once in a while.<p>&nbsp;Great, now I'm starvin'...</p>

[Fat_Sunny]

<strong>DonInNC</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Wow, this thread has <font style="background-color: #ffff99">really polarized</font> the board.</p><p><font size="2">Touche'.&nbsp; Not Bad!</font></p>

[ppanda]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>nevnut</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>lleeder</strong> wrote:<br /><font size="3">I don't understand this but die anyway</font> <p>What's there not to understand.</p><p>Animal right activists want to kill it because it's being bottle-fed instead of nursing.</p><p>If my limited understanding of nature is correct, I think the issue is that since it's being cared for so much by humans, it's going to be totally reliant on them, beyond even &quot;regular&quot; zoo animals, and with an animal as dangerous as a polar bear, that's going to likely end badly for one of its keepers.&nbsp; The bear is now totally removed from any kind of natural ecosystem and can't possibly fend for itself on any level, plus it's going to grow up to be an unpredictable killing machine that could destroy a human in seconds, no matter how nice they've been to it as it grows up.&nbsp; Putting it to sleep would ultimately be a mercy thing before it hurts itself or others.</p><p>Actually Moj- you are somewhat correct.</p><p>I think there are other symptoms that may be forcing this group to euphanize.</p><p>Typically if an animal needs to be cared for 100% by humans- </p><p>#1 they cant re-introduce the animal into the wild because the bear has not learned the ability to fend for itself.&nbsp; </p><p>#2 If its to spend the rest of its life at the zoo- it is necessary to socialize the bear with the other bears in the zoo.&nbsp; This cannot be done with a cub so young.&nbsp; The other adult bears will kill the cub.&nbsp; </p><p>#3 It is very expensive to care for these animals.&nbsp; Alot of these zoos depend on donations and grants depending on whether the zoo is also a research facility.&nbsp; Adding a bear cub to there roster migh exceed their budget.</p><p>Sad to say I have a feeling it comes down to the almight $$$.</p><p>And as someone else put in a past post- I dont know what kind of animal rights group would even suggest ephanizing this cub- unless their is some extreme situation.</p><p>A year ago I actually adopted a baby polar bear cub and its mother through the Defenders Of Wildlife foundation.&nbsp; Now obviously they are not living with me or anything but they keep track of the family and I can get updates on their health and stuff.</p><p>PS I voted let him live.</p>

[sr71blackbird]

Couldnt they sneak it into a hibernating regular bear's den that already has babies and see what happens? Dont regular bears give birth while they are hibernating and dont even see them until spring?&nbsp;

[Fez4PrezN2008]

<p><font size="4">I said pee in the cub's butt...</font></p><p><font size="4"></font></p><p><font size="4"></font></p><p><font size="4"></font></p><p><font size="4" color="#ffffff">cuz I'm a BAD BAD boy !</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p>