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CofyCrakCocaine

03-20-2007, 10:29 PM

Howdy folks, In light of shit happening in the city, I'm kind of getting mad thinking about the whole race issue. Racism has fallen under such a vague category that almost anyone can be thrown down socially for saying anything that gets twisted around into being racism. Basically, if you're white and you do something X Y and Z don't like, you're a racist bastard. It's as vague and pointless and unhelpful as thinking every Muslim is a terrorist. Who the fuck are you to tell me a guy who non-lethally shoots a black mugger attacking him is racist scum when real racism went on just 20 years earlier in Alabama with lynchings and firehoses? If someone attacked me or threatened me with a weapon and I was armed, I'd shoot his ass and I don't care what race he was. Same if it was a woman, does that make me sexist? (Maybe I am sexist because if a chick pulled that I'd try to shoot her arm or something, but a guy I'd shoot in the gut). It turns the whole goddamn issue into a joke. Racism is awful, but it exists for a reason most of the time. Just as stereotypes are rooted in some truth, so too is racism rooted in some percentage of actual experience. I fucking hate people who argue that *alleged* racism nulls all other arguments. It's legitimate when racism is used to suppress an innocent man, but it's a whole other thing when all the things MLK fought and died for are perverted to protect cold-blooded thugs who just say 'I'm a product of my environment, it's not my fault! And you're racist, so I should be let go.' Fuck those people. Can anyone think of instances where racism is actually useful and/or justifiable to the point where it should influence the actions of authorities? I'll throw one out there: racial profiling. When a certain group commits a large number of crimes, they should be monitored more than other groups right? I'm not the first guy to say this, obviously. Anthony makes the argument many times on O&A.      

This message was edited by CofyCrakCocaine on 3-21-07 @ 2:31 AM

patsopinion

03-20-2007, 10:31 PM

i dont knowy arent u in the chat room thoughso lonely

patsopinion

03-20-2007, 10:50 PM

i made a decision about racim-a drunk illegalgal(mexican) ran over my buddie and killed him.  they never found the guy but i have a new found support of anit mexican legislation.  such as the credit card thing.  its useful to me that the rest of the hayseeds are, in this instance, being racists.

legroommusic

03-20-2007, 10:56 PM

I think people confuse real racism with name calling. I don't think that the whole michael richards thing was racism. People like lisa lampanelli get away with far worse and they call it an act. I think when something prevents you from being equal with any other human being because of your skin color or where you were born, to me that's racism.As for any useful racism, if there is a negative stereotype about your ethnic group, then take it as criticism and learn to change things for the better. to me, many stereotypes are ways of telling minorities to "cut that shit out." But many people don't like being nagged, so they point back to that person and call him a racist. Of course I'm not talking about the genetic stereotypes, but there are plenty of them that ethnic people don't address.

d-rock

03-20-2007, 11:03 PM

legroommusic wrote: I think people confuse real racism with name calling. I don't think that the whole michael richards thing was racism. People like lisa lampanelli get away with far worse and they call it an act. I think when something prevents you from being equal with any other human being because of your skin color or where you were born, to me that's racism.As for any useful racism, if there is a negative stereotype about your ethnic group, then take it as criticism and learn to change things for the better. to me, many stereotypes are ways of telling minorities to "cut that shit out." But many people don't like being nagged, so they point back to that person and call him a racist. Of course I'm not talking about the genetic stereotypes, but there are plenty of them that ethnic people don't address.i think you're right and wrong.  a lot of the time negative stereotypes arise from being different, not necessarly bad, which isn't wrong for said ethnic groups.  just becasue we don't agree with them shouldn't mean they should change.

d-rock

03-20-2007, 11:08 PM

as far as "useful racism" goes, i think the term's a bit of an oxymoron.  there's no such thing as useful racism, any racism is just ignorance directed at an entire group based on the actions of a few

d-rock

03-20-2007, 11:29 PM

I'll throw one out there: racial profiling. When a certain group commits a large number of crimes, they should be monitored more than other groups right? I'm not the first guy to say this, obviously. Anthony makes the argument many times on O&A. i also think that racial profiling shouldn't lead to whole groups of races bing monitored.  that's like monitoring every CEO because they "always" embezzel money.  racial profiling definatly helps when dealing with different criminals of different ethnic backgrounds, but putting all of the arab muslims on a watch group is ridiculous.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-21-2007, 12:02 AM

d-rock wrote: I'll throw one out there: racial profiling. When a certain group commits a large number of crimes, they should be monitored more than other groups right? I'm not the first guy to say this, obviously. Anthony makes the argument many times on O&A. i also think that racial profiling shouldn't lead to whole groups of races bing monitored. that's like monitoring every CEO because they "always" embezzel money. racial profiling definatly helps when dealing with different criminals of different ethnic backgrounds, but putting all of the arab muslims on a watch group is ridiculous.  Racial profiling does not mean that the entire race gets watched- it just means that in certain areas (like train stations, airports, subways, etc.) certain groups of people are considered more likely of doing something and therefore authorities are more wary of these individuals than others - that's all. They don't go under watch, survelliance, or any form of detainment unless they are suspicious- which anyone wants cops to do. It's this notion that if there's any kind of profiling going on the entire race gets subjugated and tracked that is ludicrous, and for all intents and purposes, fucking impossible even if someone actually did want to do something so over the top. If keeping a more critical eye on arab muslims is ridiculous, forcing elderly white women to get their bags and shoes inspected mainly to dispel notions of racial profiling (which goes on unofficially anyway) is equally ridiculous. Racial profiling, in my argument, also refers to a civillian expecting a potential mugger to be likely a black or hispanic guy or a mafia enforcer in Brooklyn to be an Italian. Or expecting a white guy to be more likely than any other race to be an insane guy who will put 35 bullets in your torso for fucking up his pizza delivery. So let's not limit the debate to terrorism. Is there truly zero utility in being wary of certain groups of people based on factual statistics on crime? And I wouldn't mind if every CEO was monitored! Every goddamn celebrity gets stalked by paparazzi, but we have no sympathy for them most of the time. Why not CEO's? They're rich too! And some of them may even be evil! You're more likely to find an evil CEO than you are to find an evil actor. 

This message was edited by CofyCrakCocaine on 3-21-07 @ 4:06 AM

d-rock

03-21-2007, 12:33 AM

And I wouldn't mind if every CEO was monitored! Every goddamn celebrity gets stalked by paparazzi, but we have no sympathy for them most of the time. Why not CEO's? They're rich too! And some of them may even be evil! You're more likely to find an evil CEO than you are to find an evil actor. i totally agree

A.J.

03-21-2007, 05:25 AM

Racism has been useful in the careers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.