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Midkiff

03-23-2007, 04:33 AM

Oh, shit! It's going down today! This is how it begins:CNN Breaking News: Britain's Ministry of Defense confirms to CNN that Iranian naval vessels have seized 15 British Navy personnel on patrol in the Persian Gulf. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html</a>

This message was edited by jdmidkiff on 3-23-07 @ 8:37 AM

mendyweiss

03-23-2007, 04:35 AM

Post Time !!!!

Chip196

03-23-2007, 04:35 AM

Oh boy ... here we go.  I was really hoping they would calm down.

LOAF

03-23-2007, 04:36 AM

jdmidkiff wrote: Oh, shit! It's going down today! This is how it begins:CNN Breaking News: Britain's Ministry of Defense confirms to CNN that Iranian naval vessels have seized 15 British Navy personnel on patrol in the Persian Gulf. *>This is just breaking, so there's not even a link. Just go to <a href="http://www.cnn.com/">http://www.cnn.com</a> This message was edited by jdmidkiff on 3-23-07 @ 8:36 AM Here is the link to the story....<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html</a>

Midkiff

03-23-2007, 04:39 AM

World War fucking 3. Fuck.

AppleBoy

03-23-2007, 04:40 AM

SPECTRE's behind all this.  Damn you Blofeld!

BeerBandit

03-23-2007, 04:41 AM

<img src="http://www.boxrec.com/media/images/5/53/Lane.Mills.jpg" border="0" width="175" height="200" />Let's Get it on!

Don Stugots

03-23-2007, 04:49 AM

And so it begins.......

Cleophus James

03-23-2007, 04:51 AM

ScottFromGA

03-23-2007, 04:51 AM

so....is the rule if you have a daughter, you don't get drafted, RIGHT?or is it if your the last male to carry on the family name and has nothing to do with the daughters at all....ahh....I feel just like I did during 9/11...... but now i just have a little one to worry about more.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" /> 

This message was edited by ScottFromGA on 3-23-07 @ 8:51 AM

cupcakelove

03-23-2007, 04:51 AM

I don't think this is that big of a deal as long as they let them go.  Remember when one of our spy planes crashed in China?  Didn't they hold our guys for a few days before letting them go?  Nothing ever came of that.

Hottub

03-23-2007, 04:53 AM

We can only hope and pray that calmer heads prevail.

ralphbxny

03-23-2007, 04:58 AM

in true Bronx Form I have Sacraficed a Chicken in hopes of not having a war. Pray for the best!!!

LOAF

03-23-2007, 05:02 AM

ralphbxny wrote: in true Bronx Form I have Sacraficed a Chicken in hopes of not having a war. Pray for the best!!! I'm starving, Earl we got any chicken back there?

Earlshog

03-23-2007, 05:13 AM

sailor

03-23-2007, 05:23 AM

at the end of the article...the exact same thing happened 3 years ago.  no big woop.

A.J.

03-23-2007, 05:25 AM

The Iranians have done this before.  It's just posturing.

Midkiff

03-23-2007, 05:30 AM

cupcakelove wrote: I don't think this is that big of a deal as long as they let them go.  Remember when one of our spy planes crashed in China?  Didn't they hold our guys for a few days before letting them go?  Nothing ever came of that. Yeah, but Bush is actually scared of the chinks, unlike these sand Earls.

Knowledged_one

03-23-2007, 05:35 AM

how will the liberals blame this on bush is what i want to know

Midkiff

03-23-2007, 05:35 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: how will the liberals blame this on bush is what i want to know <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/mellow.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" />

Earlshog

03-23-2007, 05:40 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: how will the liberals blame this on bush is what i want to know They could say if he didn't get us into this impossible situation this kinda collateral shit wouldn't have happened.

moochcassidy

03-23-2007, 05:47 AM

dont want to be negative nelly..but this is exactly how to get brits behind a war..they almost never back down over stuff like this.

torker

03-23-2007, 05:52 AM

Whoopee, we're all gonna die!

EliSnow

03-23-2007, 05:52 AM

While not dismissing this, because it is serious, it's not the start of the war.  Remember back to the Cold War, when we had several instances when we had planes shot down over the USSR or had citizens detained etc.  Someone else mentioned China holding our pilots.It could get bad, but it doesn't mean it will.

Midkiff

03-23-2007, 05:52 AM

moochcassidy wrote: dont want to be negative nelly..but this is exactly how to get brits behind a war..they almost never back down over stuff like this. Hello, exactly!

Midkiff

03-23-2007, 05:54 AM

EliSnow wrote: While not dismissing this, because it is serious, it's not the start of the war.  Remember back to the Cold War, when we had several instances when we had planes shot down over the USSR or had citizens detained etc.  Someone else mentioned China holding our pilots.It could get bad, but it doesn't mean it will. And I'll repeat - we were scared of the pinkos, and we are scared of the chinks. (by we, I mean the gov't)With the camel jockeys, these hayseeds have this "righteous" indignation thing going on.

Fez4PrezN2008

03-23-2007, 05:54 AM

Hottub wrote: We can only hope and pray that camel heads prevail. Hottub is on the wrong side !!!

Knowledged_one

03-23-2007, 05:56 AM

ScottFromGA wrote: so....is the rule if you have a daughter, you don't get drafted, RIGHT?or is it if your the last male to carry on the family name and has nothing to do with the daughters at all....ahh....I feel just like I did during 9/11...... but now i just have a little one to worry about more.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" width="20" height="20" /> This message was edited by ScottFromGA on 3-23-07 @ 8:51 AM Who are you John Candy in Stripes - THERE IS NO DRAFT FOR THE MILITARY

Midkiff

03-23-2007, 05:56 AM

By the way, with the China thing, I'll just say that my military specialty was the same as some of the members of that crew, and I was active duty at the time. I will tell you right now, we were on the brink of military action. It wasn't public info, but that shit was VERY close to going down.

This message was edited by jdmidkiff on 3-23-07 @ 9:57 AM

Yerdaddy

03-23-2007, 06:27 AM

Blaming Bush for this is easy. I can do it in three words. The interesting thing will be how you fuckers are going to blame Hillary. Or, more specifically, how you'll mouth the words that Fox "News" uses to blame Hillary for this. But, honestly, this is war? How old are you?

Knowledged_one

03-23-2007, 06:37 AM

Well i figured you would seeing as how you are the ultra liberal must be from San Francisco Democrat who sees everything through his blue donkey colored glasses

Bob Impact

03-23-2007, 06:44 AM

Fez4PrezN2008 wrote: Hottub wrote: We can only hope and pray that camel heads prevail. Hottub is on the wrong side !!! Oohh Hottub, how could you?My whole world is falling apart.

Yerdaddy

03-23-2007, 06:45 AM

Yeah... well... I'm rubber and you're glue! So moded you!

foodcourtdruide

03-23-2007, 06:48 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: Well i figured you would seeing as how you are the ultra liberal must be from San Francisco Democrat who sees everything through his blue donkey colored glassesDoes Hannity say that most liberals are from San Francisco? Do you honestly believe Bush has a good foreign policy regarding the Middle East? If you don't, why are you blaming liberals for not liking this?

Knowledged_one

03-23-2007, 06:53 AM

i dont listen to Sean Hannity to get my facts.  How has George Bush's foregin policy made Iranians kidnap British citizensI really want to hear this connection so come on tell me how that isAnd i dont blame bush and i dont blame the democrats i blame Khameni and Ahmanijead

Crispy123

03-23-2007, 07:01 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: Blaming Bush for this is easy. I can do it in three words. The interesting thing will be how you fuckers are going to blame Hillary. Or, more specifically, how you'll mouth the words that Fox "News" uses to blame Hillary for this. But, honestly, this is war? How old are you? Damn Hillary, if she would've let Bill pick the hole he wouldn't have to get chubby interns to the dirty work, no impeachment, and Al Gore would have been President. We would have poured our resources into Afghanistan, killed Osama and everyone would feel better about themselves, no war in Iraq and no war with Iran. There its all Hillary's fault, you happy? Seriously though, this happened already. The Iranians will turn the Brits over in about a week and everyone in America will go back to watching Idol and Scrubs.

Recyclerz

03-23-2007, 07:11 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: i dont listen to Sean Hannity to get my facts.  How has George Bush's foregin policy made Iranians kidnap British citizensI really want to hear this connection so come on tell me how that isAnd i dont blame bush and i dont blame the democrats i blame Khameni and AhmanijeadAlthough Bush is not literally responsible for this kidnapping, it isn't hard to connect the dots (two in this case) to see how his foreign policy made it more likely.By upsetting the status quo in the Persian Gulf region generally, and by removing the main counterweight to Iran specifically, without any stategic,  thought-through plan on how to replace it he handed Iran a much better strategic hand to assert.  Iran is the natural local power in the region (it is called the Persian Gulf, after all) and by creating a power vacuum they can (and will) fill in most of Iraq, while at the same time saber rattling about what we're going to do if they go nuclear, it gives the Iranian schmucks every opportunity to tweak our nose knowing we have about two options left - full scale war or sitting there and taking it.Way to win the War on Turrer, Dubya.

Basedow

03-23-2007, 07:16 AM

EliSnow wrote: While not dismissing this, because it is serious, it's not the start of the war. Remember back to the Cold War, when we had several instances when we had planes shot down over the USSR or had citizens detained etc. Someone else mentioned China holding our pilots.It could get bad, but it doesn't mean it will.  <a href="http://cma/skynews/article/0,,30100-1257300,00.html" target="_blank">It is not the first time</a> British servicemen have run up against Iranian forces in the troubled waters between Iran and Iraq.Eight men were seized and detained after three patrol boats were said to have strayed into the Iranian side of the Shatt al Arab waterway in July 2004. <a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1140353,00.html" target="_blank">They were later released.</a>Analysts have told Sky News that <a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-cobbald_230307_1310,00.html" target="_blank">such cases are normally resolved peacefully</a>. ....precedent says this will blow over

foodcourtdruide

03-23-2007, 07:31 AM

Recyclerz wrote: Knowledged_one wrote: i dont listen to Sean Hannity to get my facts.  How has George Bush's foregin policy made Iranians kidnap British citizensI really want to hear this connection so come on tell me how that isAnd i dont blame bush and i dont blame the democrats i blame Khameni and AhmanijeadAlthough Bush is not literally responsible for this kidnapping, it isn't hard to connect the dots (two in this case) to see how his foreign policy made it more likely.By upsetting the status quo in the Persian Gulf region generally, and by removing the main counterweight to Iran specifically, without any stategic,  thought-through plan on how to replace it he handed Iran a much better strategic hand to assert.  Iran is the natural local power in the region (it is called the Persian Gulf, after all) and by creating a power vacuum they can (and will) fill in most of Iraq, while at the same time saber rattling about what we're going to do if they go nuclear, it gives the Iranian schmucks every opportunity to tweak our nose knowing we have about two options left - full scale war or sitting there and taking it.Way to win the War on Turrer, Dubya.  I echo what Recyclerz is saying.The climate in the Middle East was made worse by US Foreign Policy (which even you can agree, a lions share was formed by the Bush Administration), because of the Iraq war. When events like this occur, it is not crazy to attribute them to a deteriorating climate in the region.  You shill for the conservative party, so it's hard for me to believe that you don't get your facts from Hannity or Rush. You minimize the actions of the Bush Administration by citing liberal reaction.

Earlshog

03-23-2007, 07:32 AM

CPW3 wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: Blaming Bush for this is easy. I can do it in three words. The interesting thing will be how you fuckers are going to blame Hillary. Or, more specifically, how you'll mouth the words that Fox "News" uses to blame Hillary for this. But, honestly, this is war? How old are you? Damn Hillary, if she would've let Bill pick the hole he wouldn't have to get chubby interns to the dirty work, no impeachment, and Al Gore would have been President. We would have poured our resources into Afghanistan, killed Osama and everyone would feel better about themselves, no war in Iraq and no war with Iran. There its all Hillary's fault, you happy? Seriously though, this happened already. The Iranians will turn the Brits over in about a week and everyone in America will never know any of this even happened as they are<strike> will go back to</strike> watching Idol and Scrubs. fixed

RichieRich

03-23-2007, 07:37 AM

<img src="http://www.theweeklydonut.org/wp-content/donuts/2006/04/Dr_Strange_Bush_or.jpg" border="0" width="379" height="243" />Yaaaaaahhhhhhoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheMojoPin

03-23-2007, 09:13 AM

moochcassidy wrote: dont want to be negative nelly..but this is exactly how to get brits behind a war..they almost never back down over stuff like this. Yeah, that sun never set on that mighty ol' Empire...Oh, right.Whoops.

TheMojoPin

03-23-2007, 09:15 AM

Knowledged_one wrote: i dont listen to Sean Hannity to get my facts.  How has George Bush's foregin policy made Iranians kidnap British citizensI really want to hear this connection so come on tell me how that isAnd i dont blame bush and i dont blame the democrats i blame Khameni and AhmanijeadYou're the one that brought it up in the first place.

RapistWit

03-23-2007, 10:28 AM

Looks like some SAS guys got caught scouting Iranian coastal positions.

Jujubees2

03-23-2007, 11:21 AM

jdmidkiff wrote: cupcakelove wrote: I don't think this is that big of a deal as long as they let them go.  Remember when one of our spy planes crashed in China?  Didn't they hold our guys for a few days before letting them go?  Nothing ever came of that. Yeah, but Bush is actually scared of the chinks, unlike these sand Earls.Please be politically correct. They're Orientals, not Chinks.

TheMojoPin

03-23-2007, 11:29 AM

jdmidkiff wrote: EliSnow wrote: While not dismissing this, because it is serious, it's not the start of the war.  Remember back to the Cold War, when we had several instances when we had planes shot down over the USSR or had citizens detained etc.  Someone else mentioned China holding our pilots.It could get bad, but it doesn't mean it will. And I'll repeat - we were scared of the pinkos, and we are scared of the chinks. (by we, I mean the gov't)With the camel jockeys, these hayseeds have this "righteous" indignation thing going on.So we've got this from you..."Sand Earls," "coloreds," "fags"...Way to fly that Texas flag, dipshit.

JimBeam

03-23-2007, 12:12 PM

The first question I asked somebody who was reading the story at work is if the kidnappers were agents of Iran or if they were some kind grouo ( probably terrortists ).Apparently it is some kinda group but I guess you could claim they are working together but you'd be guessing and making a conspiracy.If this isnt the gov't of Iran then I cant see any war or even an act of agression.Would like to see some SAS action ( like that movie from the 80's The Final Option )As far as blaming Bush for this and seeing as he started all the problems in the Middle East do we also blame him for when the Iranians took the hostages in 79/80 ?Clearly that was his fault no ?

Captain Rooster

03-23-2007, 12:37 PM

Sadly, there is a history of letting the poor haostages rot in Iran. I wonder if this is connected to the law about to passed in Iraq, calling for a major stake of Iraq's oil to be controlled by the big 4 (or 5) oil companies--thus putting major pressure on Iran.

Fat_Sunny

03-23-2007, 01:08 PM

Jujubees2 wrote: Please be politically correct. They're Orientals, not Chinks. Actually Oriental Is Even More Racist Than "Chink", Because Oriental Applies Only To Inanimate Objects, Like "Oriental Rugs" Or "Oriental Porcelain".The Most Politically Correct Word Would Have To Be Gook.

patsopinion

03-23-2007, 02:03 PM

how do u see a post nuclear america(meaning after the bombs fall)the plus side is my credit card debt will be wiped out

Bulldogcakes

03-23-2007, 03:15 PM

Half our problems in Iraq trace back to Iran.    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-23-07 @ 7:15 PM

CofyCrakCocaine

03-23-2007, 03:40 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Half our problems in Iraq trace back to Iran.    Agreed.

ralphbxny

03-23-2007, 04:31 PM

CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Half our problems in Iraq trace back to Iran.    Agreed. Most of the worlds problems, since the start of time, have begun there!!

TheMojoPin

03-23-2007, 04:34 PM

ralphbxny wrote: CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: Half our problems in Iraq trace back to Iran.    Agreed. Most of the worlds problems, since the start of time, have begun there!!REALLY?!?!??

Doctor Z

03-23-2007, 04:37 PM

23 year-old male here... Nice knowin' you guys. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" />

keithy_19

03-24-2007, 04:21 PM

23 year-old male here... Nice knowin' you guys. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" />

These are the times I love having a disease.

Midkiff

03-24-2007, 07:53 PM

He said the tactic had been approved by Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, who warned last week that Tehran would take “illegal actions” if necessary to maintain its right to develop a nuclear programme.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1563877.ece

hedges

03-25-2007, 03:44 AM

The Iranians have done this before.  It's just posturing.

I think the Iranians are smart enough not to take this incident any further than it's already gone.

Dan 'Hampton

03-25-2007, 04:44 AM

I think the Iranians are smart enough not to take this incident any further than it's already gone.

Thats giving Iran too much credit. They're the middle child that doesn't get attention. And decides to take up killing cats to change that. This guy
is dangerous.

Yerdaddy

03-25-2007, 07:11 AM

Why Iran Seized the British Marines (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1602389,00.html). Answers some questions.

TheMojoPin

03-25-2007, 07:53 AM

Thats giving Iran too much credit. They're the middle child that doesn't get attention. And decides to take up killing cats to change that. This guy
is dangerous.

Which guy?

JimBeam

03-25-2007, 08:42 AM

So after reading some more they were actually taken by agents of the gov't which is not what I was lead to believe earlier.

I still think a peaceful resolution comes out of this and that Iran is just trying to flex whatever muscles it has.

reeshy

03-25-2007, 10:18 AM

There is no war with Iraq....so stop the bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Midkiff

03-25-2007, 06:29 PM

Iran: Sanction-backers will suffer 'greater damage'

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/25/iran.nuclear/index.html

Midkiff

03-27-2007, 04:28 AM

Story Highlights
• U.S. Navy in largest show of force in Persian Gulf since 2003 invasion of Iraq
• Two strike groups of U.S. warships take part and 100 U.S. warplanes
• "Exercises" come four days after Iran captured 15 British sailors and marines

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/27/us.gulf.ap/index.html

cupcakelove

03-27-2007, 04:29 AM

busybeeman, is that you?

Snacks

03-27-2007, 05:33 AM

So if an Iranian military ship was in American waters wouldnt we detain them? So why is it wrong that Iran has detained the Brits?
This is no start to war with Iran. After a week or so they will let the Brits go.

nevnut

03-27-2007, 05:44 AM

So if an Iranian military ship was in American waters wouldnt we detain them? So why is it wrong that Iran has detained the Brits?
This is no start to war with Iran. After a week or so they will let the Brits go.

The problem is the Brits claim they were in international waters while the Iranians claim the Brits were in territorial waters.

With Iran's track record a kinda believe the Brits on this one.

cupcakelove

03-27-2007, 05:52 AM

The problem is the Brits claim they were in international waters while the Iranians claim the Brits were in territorial waters.

With Iran's track record a kinda believe the Brits on this one.

I don't think anybody disagrees that the Brits were in the right here. This is just posturing by Iran. They are trying to push their limits with the US and our allies. They know that we are stretched thin, and its going to take a lot more than a international water border dispute for us to do something militarily. They're like a child that beats up their younger sibling when they know the parents aren't looking. In a little while, they will release the sailors, like they did last time, there will be some dispute about their boat, which they might keep, like they did last time, and then we will forget about it, like we all did last time.

LOAF

03-27-2007, 06:10 AM

More fuel for the fire..........

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/27/us.gulf.ap/index.html

hereintheUK

03-28-2007, 04:44 AM

Talk about the Iranians dropping a bollock.

I was just watching our defence secretary speaking to Parliament and she said that initialy Iran had given them the co-ordinates to prove that the marines were in Iranian waters. Only when these were checked they were 1.8 miles away from the boarder. Then they were given a second set of co-ordinates which are in iranian waters.

From The BBC.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42737000/gif/_42737627_iraq_iran_waters203.gif

1 Crew boards merchant ship 1.7NM inside Iraqi waters
2 HMS Cornwall was south-east of this, and inside Iraqi waters
3 Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters
4 After UK points this out, Iran provides corrected position, now within Iranian waters

Doomstone

03-28-2007, 05:16 AM

Can't Iran just call it "terra fightin'" and put them in an offshore camp?

ralphbxny

03-29-2007, 08:01 PM

This is pure craziness!! We need to send Ron B there to talk this out!! A voice of reason!! A HERO!!!

Midkiff

04-01-2007, 06:37 AM

"As U.S. and Iraqi soldiers approached the Iranian officer and began speaking with him, a platoon of Iranian soldiers appeared and moved to surround the coalition patrol, taking up positions on high ground. At that point, according to the Army's statement, the Iranian captain told the U.S. and Iraqi soldiers that if they tried to leave they would be fired on. "

READ THIS SHIT.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1605487,00.html?cnn=yes

cupcakelove

04-04-2007, 05:26 AM

From the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040400334.html?hpid=topnews

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that his government would free the 15 detained British sailors and marines as a gift to the British people.

That was a quick war. Also from the article:

Also Wednesday, Iran's state media reported that an Iranian envoy will be allowed to meet five Iranians detained by U.S. forces in northern Iraq since January.

I wonder why Iran took those Brits captive.

ShelleBink

04-04-2007, 11:58 AM

Maybe I'm just too much of a hippie, but I hope this is a few steps in order for diplomacy and rationality to take over international relations rather than rushing into war.

I'm just happy that the released British soldiers can go home, and maybe our guys can get home sooner than later...

badmonkey

04-04-2007, 12:37 PM

From the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040400334.html?hpid=topnews

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that his government would free the 15 detained British sailors and marines as a gift to the British people.

That was a quick war. Also from the article:

Also Wednesday, Iran's state media reported that an Iranian envoy will be allowed to meet five Iranians detained by U.S. forces in northern Iraq since January.

I wonder why Iran took those Brits captive.

Compare the location of Irbil in this map, where these five Iranians were captured to the location in the next map showing where the Brits were caught.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39807000/gif/_39807819_iraq_irbil2_map203.gif

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42737000/gif/_42737627_iraq_iran_waters203.gif

There's not a whole lot of "Iraqi water" in existance, but the Iranians claimed the Brits were 0.5 nautical miles inside Iranian waters. I can't tell by the map what the actual distance is, but I'm betting that the city of Irbil is way deeper inside the borders of Iraq than 0.5 miles.

Badmonkey

Midkiff

04-04-2007, 01:10 PM

For the past what, 30 years? Every time Iran wants something, they kidnap somebody like a big baby. Bunch of fags. Screw those idiots.

Fat_Sunny

04-04-2007, 01:25 PM

For the past what, 30 years? Every time Iran wants something, they kidnap somebody like a big baby. Bunch of fags. Screw those idiots.

Fat's Respect-Level For JD Has Just Increased 5-Fold!

Midkiff

04-04-2007, 01:26 PM

Fat's Respect-Level For JD Has Just Increased 5-Fold!

Thank you, kind sir!

Yerdaddy

04-05-2007, 02:44 AM

Tehran Likely to Pay Long-Term Price (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402546_pf.html)

British officials expected an angry rant when they heard that Iran's hard-line president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was going to give a news conference yesterday about the 15 British sailors and marines detained two weeks ago in the Persian Gulf.

Instead, the Iranian leader pledged to release the 14 men and one woman -- ending a crisis that may lead Tehran to claim a short-term victory but also pay a long-term price, according to Iran experts and Western and Iranian officials.

Efforts to free the 15 British detainees swung from behind-the-scenes diplomacy during the first week to internationalization of the standoff during the second week, when Britain won a statement of concern from the U.N. Security Council. The turning point, according to Iranian and British sources, was the exchange of diplomatic notes at the end of last week that shifted the process back to quiet bilateral efforts.

"There was a lot of activity the last two days to bring the level of rhetoric down," said a senior Iranian official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Britain's diplomatic note last Friday promised to respect Iranian territory, he said. "This shows that there is a useful and conducive way to deal with Iran and that it is not through threats," the official said. "If Britain had not taken this to the Security Council, then this would have been resolved earlier."

That's bullshit. Iran is afraid of UN sanctions and this issue going to the Security Council might make for even tougher sanctions than were recently passed.

Ahmadinejad, under pressure at home for failing to deliver on the utopian promises he made during the 2005 election campaign, may also have won a domestic propaganda victory, standing up to the West at one of the country's most vulnerable times since the 1979 revolution. The standoff with Britain deflected attention from U.N. Resolution 1747, which imposed new sanctions related to Iran's nuclear program. It passed a day after the British naval team was detained. And although Iran's Supreme National Security Council and supreme leader Ali Khamenei ultimately make key foreign policy decisions, Iranian television showed Ahmadinejad being thanked by a British sailor.

"He has come out more popular with his own supporters at the moment," said Christopher Rundle, a retired British diplomat who served in Iran.

At a time when five members of its Revolutionary Guard Corps are being detained by the United States in Iraq, Iran's most elite military unit also proved that it can play the tit-for-tat game, experts said. The British were seized by the Guard's naval unit. "The Revolutionary Guards wanted to send a signal to the U.S. and U.K. that 'if you mess with us, we'll mess with you. We know where you're vulnerable,' " said Riedel, who believes there is a link between the two cases.

The U.S. military detained the five during a raid in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil on Jan. 11. Iran had expected their release three days before the British were detained. Although U.S. and British officials deny any deal or quid pro quo for the 15 Britons, the United States allowed the Iranians to be visited for the first time by representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross and is considering permitting Iran to have consular access to them, U.S. officials said.

I doubt they will be released as an exchange of prisoners, but the visit by Red Cross often precedes release. It may happen in the next week or so.

Yet Iran is also likely to pay a long-term price for the detention drama, again appearing to undertake rogue actions in violation of international law, experts and officials said. In the end, Iran recognized that the crisis was beginning to exact a cost, as it came under pressure even from allies and other Islamic countries, officials and experts said. Even Syria urged Iran to release the Britons, Syrian and U.S. sources said.

"They are so consumed with short-term issues -- how to undermine the West and how to gain leverage -- at the expense of long-term strategy. They have undermined themselves," said Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "They're playing the immediate moves of checkers and not the long-term strategy of a chess game. In the long term, it undermines their ability to attract foreign investment and have good relations" with the outside world.

Tehran was also unable to rally significant public support for another long-term showdown like the 1979-1981 hostage ordeal involving 52 American diplomats, experts added. "There was no nationalist bounce out of this," said Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "All the usual people you'd expect to be frothing at the mouth simply weren't."

He's right this time but Patrick Clawson is still a worthless twat.

scottinnj

04-05-2007, 04:06 PM

But doesn't this move by Ahmenijhad make him look more appealing to the U.N. and make it harder for the non-proliferation talks?

high fly

04-05-2007, 08:40 PM

Oh, shit! It's going down today! This is how it begins:CNN Breaking News: Britain's Ministry of Defense confirms to CNN that Iranian naval vessels have seized 15 British Navy personnel on patrol in the Persian Gulf. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html</a>

This message was edited by jdmidkiff on 3-23-07 @ 8:37 AM

What?
No war?

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY! Where did that war go?

There ain't gonna be no war.
We do not have the troops for an invasion.
We can not handle the backlash from the largely quiescent Shiites in Iraq.
This is all a bluff.

Yerdaddy

04-06-2007, 03:35 AM

But doesn't this move by Ahmenijhad make him look more appealing to the U.N. and make it harder for the non-proliferation talks?

Why?

(And you mis-spelled Ahmadinejad. No one in this country can ever pronounce his name right. It's not that hard: Ah-mad-in-ejad. Ahmadinejad.)

http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/samir/samir3.jpg

A.J.

04-06-2007, 05:23 AM

I had hoped he was going to give the sailors copies of his Members Only jacket instead of those new suits.

Midkiff

04-06-2007, 05:26 AM

What?
No war?

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY! Where did that war go?

There ain't gonna be no war.
We do not have the troops for an invasion.
We can not handle the backlash from the largely quiescent Shiites in Iraq.
This is all a bluff.

If not today, another day.

Yerdaddy

04-06-2007, 05:55 AM

I had hoped he was going to give the sailors copies of his Members Only jacket instead of those new suits.

You any babies in suits when you were over there? How creepy is that?

WRESTLINGFAN

04-06-2007, 01:05 PM

I had hoped he was going to give the sailors copies of his Members Only jacket instead of those new suits.

The British Navy... Where business casual is the new Uniform of the day

Fat_Sunny

04-06-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote About The British Navy Attributed To Winston Churchill:

"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."

That Sounds Like The Village People's Version Of Being In The Navy!

TheMojoPin

04-06-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote About The British Navy Attributed To Winston Churchill:

"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."

That Sounds Like The Village People's Version Of Being In The Navy!

Like our navy isn't any less queer.

ANCHORS AWAY, BOYS!!! I'm off to sign up...

keithy_19

04-06-2007, 05:00 PM

[QUOTE=Fat_Sunny;1262026]Quote About The British Navy Attributed To Winston Churchill:

"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."

Great album by The Pogues.

high fly

04-06-2007, 11:01 PM

Like our navy isn't any less queer.

ANCHORS AWAY, BOYS!!! I'm off to sign up...

Hope you get on a frigate...

Yerdaddy

04-06-2007, 11:33 PM

I found this when I was catching up on my news archive the other day from an article published about the time of the seamen-snatching:

Sec. Council set to OK sanctions on Iran (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070324/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_40)

By ALEXANDRA OLSON, Associated Press Writer

24 March, 2007

UNITED NATIONS - Major powers expect unanimous approval Saturday of new U.N. Security Council sanctions to pressure Iran into suspending uranium enrichment.

The Security Council is voting on its second set of sanctions against Iran; the country responded to the first by expanding enrichment.

The sanctions would ban Iranian arms exports and freeze the assets of 28 additional individuals and organizations involved in Iran's nuclear and missile programs. About a third of those are linked to the Revolutionary Guard, an elite military corps.

The assholes who snatched the seamen were about to have their assets frozen by the pussies at the UN because the dicks in Washington were tied up in Iraq and can't fuck the assholes anymore. The seamen were released and the assets are still getting frozen. So... sometimes pussies fuck assholes? That wasn't in Team America!

high fly

04-07-2007, 12:51 AM

Iran is home free on their nuke program at least for a couple more years.
The only country that would do something militarily to stop it is the U.S.
The war in Iraq has burned up enough equipment an tied down enough troops and screwed up troop rotations, training and refitting that Iran knows how much violence to foment there to keep us unable to respond elsewhere.

Oh sure, we can do air strikes, but we're talking nukes here, and you gotta have boots on the ground doing bomb damage assessment. Doing it from the air has a poor record of success and can't show the depth of damage to underground facilities that we don't know the extent of.

Face it, gang.
Bush not only gave Iraq to Iran, he also gave them more influence in the Gulf and paved the way for them to get nukes.

It's gonna be innersting to see how they blame this one on Clinton....

Yerdaddy

04-07-2007, 02:42 AM

Iran is home free on their nuke program at least for a couple more years.
The only country that would do something militarily to stop it is the U.S.
The war in Iraq has burned up enough equipment an tied down enough troops and screwed up troop rotations, training and refitting that Iran knows how much violence to foment there to keep us unable to respond elsewhere.

Oh sure, we can do air strikes, but we're talking nukes here, and you gotta have boots on the ground doing bomb damage assessment. Doing it from the air has a poor record of success and can't show the depth of damage to underground facilities that we don't know the extent of.

Face it, gang.
Bush not only gave Iraq to Iran, he also gave them more influence in the Gulf and paved the way for them to get nukes.

It's gonna be innersting to see how they blame this one on Clinton....

And of course you mean Hillary, right?