Tarantino is a Fraud

[jelsey01]

I love his movies, but I have to disagree with one of Ron's statements the other day. He said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline. Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!

The first movie to do what Tarantino does was Stand By Me (1986). Do you remember when Gordy, Chris, Vern, and Teddy were sitting around the fire discussing what Goofy was?

Quentin basically took that movie and made a career out of it. Think of Reservoir Dogs as the camera makes the rounds through the caracters; it's the same scene! Also, think of the great music of SBM. Tarantino isn't a leader, he's a follower!

Even though Quentin is an awesome movie maker, he should pay Steven King royalties for his success.

[patsopinion]

u better watch ur use of caps asshole

[lleeder]

(Picture of crickets chirping)

[jelsey01]

Is that better?

[Bossanova]

Are you being outrageous? Its doest work for you

[ChoppedLiver]

Awesome first post, guy.:smoke:

[jelsey01]

Absolutely not! I'm serious. Go dig up your old VHS copy of Stand by Me and watch the part where they are talking around the fire.

[Bossanova]

I prefer the WPIX version. Lard ___ , Lard___ , Lard___

[lleeder]

(picture of yawning)

[patsopinion]

I love his movies, but I have to disagree with one of Ron's statements the other day. He said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline. Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!


Quentin basically took that movie and made a career out of it. Think of Reservoir Dogs as the camera makes the rounds through the caracters; it's the same scene! Also, think of the great music of SBM. Tarantino isn't a leader, he's a follower!

rb's infallibility is the glue that keeps this site together
and u spelled lleeder wrong

[jelsey01]

rb's infallibility is the glue that keeps this site together
and u spelled lleeder wrong

Wow, Pat. I can't believe you were able to reply that fast with Earl's black clit in your mouth!

[patsopinion]

Wow, Pat. I can't believe you were able to reply that fast with Earl's black clit in your mouth!

hhhmmmmmmmm
what to go after?

anyone ever seen how high
can i get a "get him"?

[ChoppedLiver]

VHS ?
"How old ARE you ??"

Get him.

[sailor]

Wow, Pat. I can't believe you were able to reply that fast with Earl's black clit in your mouth!

ladies and gentlemen, welcome the new posters of april 2007! take a bow!!

[Dirtybird12]

I agree completely.

Love his movies...

However he isnt as original as I once thought.

rent - buy - borrow some old 70's and 80's kung-fu movies.

The guy is nothing more than a Yuen Wo-ping, Richard Tai and
Sammo Hung wannabe.

The old school kung fu movies out of Hong Kong in the late 70's and early 80's def left a mark on q.

[jelsey01]

VHS ?
"How old ARE you ??"

Get him.

I'm not as old as Fezzie. It's a VHS because it's a '86 movie.

[jelsey01]

ladies and gentlemen, welcome the new posters of april 2007! take a bow!!

Yes, and we bow down to penguin fuckers that live in their Mom's basement with 6,000 posts.

[Marc with a c]

Yes, and we bow down to penguin fuckers that live in their Mom's basement with 6,000 posts.

hahhahahah. nice one. penguin boy is a fuckface.

[Bossanova]

I'm not as old as Fezzie. It's a VHS because it's a '86 movie.

Sweetie thay do put older movie on dvd now. Is this formatted yet?

[ChoppedLiver]

I agree completely.

Love his movies...

However he isnt as original as I once thought.

rent - buy - borrow some old 70's and 80's kung-fu movies.

The guy is nothing more than a Yuen Wo-ping, Richard Tai and
Sammo Hung wannabe.

The old school kung fu movies out of Hong Kong in the late 70's and early 80's def left a mark on q.

And QT has admitted that in the past.
As for 'fraud', I think the original poster is being a little strong with that statement.
Perish the thought, but MAYBE Ronnie made a mistake [~GASP~] and misspoke. Maybe the OP heard it differently than intended.

Maybe the OP really likes Wil Wheaton movies.

[Heather 8]

I'm not as old as Fezzie. It's a VHS because it's a '86 movie.

I'm sure if I can get Gone with the Wind, Wizard of Oz, and Reefer Madness on DVD, one could surely get a 1986 flick on a spankin'-new digital video disc.

[Heather 8]

Maybe the OP really likes Wil Wheaton movies.

Maybe the OP is Wil Wheaton. Silly Wil, back to Fark with you!

[sailor]

hahhahahah. nice one. penguin boy is a fuckface.

now we're even. that made me laugh out loud.

[Bossanova]

I'm sure if I can get Gone with the Wind, Wizard of Oz, and Reefer Madness on DVD, one could surely get a 1986 flick on a spankin'-new digital video disc.

I thought you could only get Gone with the wind on reel to reel

[Marc with a c]

now we're even. that made me laugh out loud.

thank you cutie

[Heather 8]

I thought you could only get Gone with the wind on reel to reel

Nah. On the DVD, they have the alternate ending where the South wins and Rhett samples the sexual chocolate that is Mammy.

[Bossanova]

Nah. On the DVD, they have the alternate ending where the South wins and Rhett samples the sexual chocolate that is Mammy.

Man, I am missing out on so much. I have to get it. Good looking out

[ChoppedLiver]

Nah. On the DVD, they have the alternate ending where the South wins and Rhett samples the sexual chocolate that is Mammy.

Save for the homoerotic Wheaton stuff, the thread NOW gets hot.

[patsopinion]

listen you cunt noob bitch; you and your anonymous bs

you've got 4 posts and your going to say that shit about how i suckle on earls man vagina

and yet you don't have the balls to have any originality

hayseeds have been saying the same thing about Tarantino since they saw pulp fiction for the first time, which was the first time they were exposed to his work. Stop trying to get punched in the face. He knows he did it, he made the movie. They are appreciated for their originality because the Hollywood atmosphere doesn't allow for the creativity that he obviously displays with his style and dialogs.

i will tea bag you with my harry ball sack and hopefully a pubic hair breaks off in your eye and the follicle gets pushed back into your head and you go blind so you cant post here again

get him?

[jelsey01]

[QUOTE=patsopinion;1263431]listen you cunt noob bitch; you and your anonymous bs

you've got 4 posts and your going to say that shit about how i suckle on earls man vagina

and yet you don't have the balls to have any originality

hayseeds have been saying the same thing about Tarantino since they saw pulp fiction for the first time, which was the first time they were exposed to his work. Stop trying to get punched in the face. He knows he did it, he made the movie. They are appreciated for their originality because the Hollywood atmosphere doesn't allow for the creativity that he obviously displays with his style and dialogs.

i will tea bag you with my harry ball sack and hopefully a pubic hair breaks off in your eye and the follicle gets pushed back into your head and you go blind so you cant post here again

get him?[/QUOTE

If you like to fa-dunk other men, that's ok. I accept you for the pole smoker that you are. But if you watch Stand By Me again, you will see what I'm talking about. Maybe I went a little far by calling him a fraud, but you can't deny that he took a few ideas from Steven King.

And please stop telling your D-sipper street team to "GET HIM"! Can't you fight your own battles?

[BLZBUBBA]

I too love Tarantino's movies (been there since RESERVOIR DOGS), but this latest offering does seem to mirror stuff I've purchased from SOMETHING WEIRD VIDEO. SWV is a specialty house which sells old horror and exploitation films on video cassette and DVD. And here's where GRINDHOUSE mirrors those offered by SWV. SWV has offered "double features" complete with cornball oldschool ads for the snackbar...for years. The old films are by nature, kinda rough quality-wise...as was done intentionally with GRINDHOUSE. SWV was going for the old drive-in experience before Tarantino took it to the big screen. But if you listen to an interview Tarantino will readily admit his influences and "tip his hat" to what he drew from.

[jelsey01]

I too love Tarantino's movies (been there since RESERVOIR DOGS), but this latest offering does seem to mirror stuff I've purchased from SOMETHING WEIRD VIDEO. SWV is a specialty house which sells old horror and exploitation films on video cassette and DVD. And here's where GRINDHOUSE mirrors those offered by SWV. SWV has offered "double features" complete with cornball oldschool ads for the snackbar...for years. The old films are by nature, kinda rough quality-wise...as was done intentionally with GRINDHOUSE. SWV was going for the old drive-in experience before Tarantino took it to the big screen. But if you listen to an interview Tarantino will readily admit his influences and "tip his hat" to what he drew from.

But has he tipped it to Steven King? If he has, I commend him.

[patsopinion]

i was asking permission

i gotta give you credit though at least you know ron and fez which is more then a lot of the the people that come on here and open with a post like yours have got going for them

[sailor]

I too love Tarantino's movies (been there since RESERVOIR DOGS), but this latest offering does seem to mirror stuff I've purchased from SOMETHING WEIRD VIDEO. SWV is a specialty house which sells old horror and exploitation films on video cassette and DVD. And here's where GRINDHOUSE mirrors those offered by SWV. SWV has offered "double features" complete with cornball oldschool ads for the snackbar...for years. The old films are by nature, kinda rough quality-wise...as was done intentionally with GRINDHOUSE. SWV was going for the old drive-in experience before Tarantino took it to the big screen. But if you listen to an interview Tarantino will readily admit his influences and "tip his hat" to what he drew from.

" If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants." -Sir Isaac Newton

[jelsey01]

i was asking permission

i gotta give you credit though at least you know ron and fez which is more then a lot of the the people that come on here and open with a post like yours have got going for them

Look, nothing against you personally, but I just watched Stand By Me for the millionth time and noticed a remarkable similarity to Reservoir Dogs. I've been listening to RF for a long time - and have been reading these boards for just as long. Just because it's my first post doesn't mean I'm a noob.

Thanks for the cred.

[IamFogHat]

Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!



Stop yelling at me.

[jelsey01]

" If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants." -Sir Isaac Newton

Penguin Fucker says, "ask not what your country can do for you".......oh wait - shouldn't a sailor have a parrot?

[BLZBUBBA]

I'm familiar with both STAND BY ME and RESERVOIR DOGS...mostly the latter. I say the dialogue is more believable in RESERVOIR DOGS because I 'buy into" gangsters cussing like sailors more than 12 year olds. I mean. C'mon. Those kids cussed all the time. If you really think Tarantino owes King a "tip of the hat" that's fine. But saying he based his entire career on STAND BY ME? A bit of a stretch I'd say.

[ChoppedLiver]

"Dick dick dick dick dick dick dick dick dick."

[BLZBUBBA]

"That's a lot of dicks."

[epo]

Tarantino Fraud? Tarantino has never claimed to be "an original". Let me tell you the ways I love Tarantino's movies:

A. He makes the movies fun! I just sat through three and a half hours of Grindhouse and I had a great movie experience. Sometimes it's really great to watch a well-thought out homage to old movies. Actually name me a movie you saw lately that made people in the theatre stand up and cheer. Grindhouse did that.

B. Knowledge. It's obvious that Quentin has seen too many movies and knows every convention known to man. It's this knowledge that allows his films to expose new audiences to great genres/actors/styles. How many fucking kids have seen a kung fu movie because of Kill Bill.

C. He uses actors properly. How many people in the last twenty years have used David Carradine properly? Who else could have put Kurt Russell in "Death Proof" and make it that much fun. Name me anybody who ever used Michael Madsen better than Q.T. in Reservior Dogs? Do I even need to mention Pam Grier or Robert Forster?

D. His dialogue is the best. I can't stress this enough. Quentin is the fucking best at it. He writes great dialogue that is hip as shit, works with the movie AND advances the plot. I hear people talk about Kevin Smith, who is good in his own right, but he can't compare as he can't write a plot. Q.T. does that.

E. Music. Once again, nobody puts together a soundtrack like Tarantino. Joe Tex, Al Green, the Delfonics, Bobby Womack, Steelers Wheels, etc. The soundtrack for Death Proof is no different as it is stellar.

Tarantino doesn't owe shit to Stephen King. King is a great writer but if you knew jack shit about the movies, you'd realize that Stand by Me wasn't the first movie to use some snappy dialogue.

[jelsey01]

Tarantino Fraud? Tarantino has never claimed to be "an original". Let me tell you the ways I love Tarantino's movies:

A. He makes the movies fun! I just sat through three and a half hours of Grindhouse and I had a great movie experience. Sometimes it's really great to watch a well-thought out homage to old movies. Actually name me a movie you saw lately that made people in the theatre stand up and cheer. Grindhouse did that.

B. Knowledge. It's obvious that Quentin has seen too many movies and knows every convention known to man. It's this knowledge that allows his films to expose new audiences to great genres/actors/styles. How many fucking kids have seen a kung fu movie because of Kill Bill.

C. He uses actors properly. How many people in the last twenty years have used David Carradine properly? Who else could have put Kurt Russell in "Death Proof" and make it that much fun. Name me anybody who ever used Michael Madsen better than Q.T. in Reservior Dogs? Do I even need to mention Pam Grier or Robert Forster?

D. His dialogue is the best. I can't stress this enough. Quentin is the fucking best at it. He writes great dialogue that is hip as shit, works with the movie AND advances the plot. I hear people talk about Kevin Smith, who is good in his own right, but he can't compare as he can't write a plot. Q.T. does that.

E. Music. Once again, nobody puts together a soundtrack like Tarantino. Joe Tex, Al Green, the Delfonics, Bobby Womack, Steelers Wheels, etc. The soundtrack for Death Proof is no different as it is stellar.

Tarantino doesn't owe shit to Stephen King. King is a great writer but if you knew jack shit about the movies, you'd realize that Stand by Me wasn't the first movie to use some snappy dialogue.

All I'm saying is that Tarantino took the idea of the non storyline dialogue and pop music from the era (SK even wrote about the songs in his book) from the master of "horror" Stephen King. Like I said, I love all of his (Tarantino) films, but at least he should give some credit to the short story that started it all: The Body (Stand By Me).

Listen - the fucking "round the table" shit that QT did in RD and the shit that they do in that 70's show was copied from Stand By Me.

[The Jays]

I love his movies, but I have to disagree with one of Ron's statements the other day. He said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline. Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!

The first movie to do what Tarantino does was Stand By Me (1986). Do you remember when Gordy, Chris, Vern, and Teddy were sitting around the fire discussing what Goofy was?

Quentin basically took that movie and made a career out of it. Think of Reservoir Dogs as the camera makes the rounds through the caracters; it's the same scene! Also, think of the great music of SBM. Tarantino isn't a leader, he's a follower!

Even though Quentin is an awesome movie maker, he should pay Steven King royalties for his success.


So, Quentin, as you call him because you're first name basis with him, is a fraud and deserves to pay royalties to Stephen King because Stand By Me is the only movie you have ever seen where the characters have a conversation which doesn't move the plot along, and the only reason he is a fraud is because of something that a radio host said. You are a real winner at the game of life.

[BLZBUBBA]

epo...
E. Music ...Tarantino is great at putting together a soundtrack.

I agree. But I was just curious as to which movie the last few years has had a great ORIGINAL score. I recently picked up the soundtracks for THE GOOD, THE BAD, and the UGLY and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST. Original music for both films. Ennio Morricone was a genius. What happened to making original music for films? Has it become a lost art or just too damn expensive?

But yeah...Agree with all your points.

[ChoppedLiver]

All I'm saying is that Tarantino took the idea of the non storyline dialogue and pop music from the era (SK even wrote about the songs in his book) from the master of "horror" Stephen King. Like I said, I love all of his (Tarantino) films, but at least he should give some credit to the short story that started it all: The Body (Stand By Me).

Listen - the fucking "round the table" shit that QT did in RD and the shit that they do in that 70's show was copied from Stand By Me.


OK. Rob Reiner is a directorial genius, and QT is a thieving hack. Gotcha.

[jelsey01]

So, Quentin, as you call him because you're first name basis with him, is a fraud and deserves to pay royalties to Stephen King because Stand By Me is the only movie you have ever seen where the characters have a conversation which doesn't move the plot along, and the only reason he is a fraud is because of something that a radio host said. You are a real winner at the game of life.

Hey, Jackass, why don't you go back and read the conversation between us humans before you open your stupid fucking mouth.

I only call him by his first name because I'm as not adept at typing like you, you fucking girl!

[jelsey01]

OK. Rob Reiner is a directorial genius, and QT is a thieving hack. Gotcha.

Look, Liver, I never said he was a hack. I just think he needs to give props.

Actually, I think he's made 2 of the top 10 movies ever made.

[epo]

All I'm saying is that Tarantino took the idea of the non storyline dialogue and pop music from the era (SK even wrote about the songs in his book) from the master of "horror" Stephen King. Like I said, I love all of his (Tarantino) films, but at least he should give some credit to the short story that started it all: The Body (Stand By Me).

Listen - the fucking "round the table" shit that QT did in RD and the shit that they do in that 70's show was copied from Stand By Me.

Actually your point about non-storyline dialogue is completely invalid. If you've ever seen The Big Sleep (1946) there is a scene with Bogart and a cab driver. It is snappy non-storyline dialogue that Q.T. himself admitted that he based the Bruce Willis/Cabbie scene from Pulp Fiction around. It is a convention that has been used for years to entertain and to create minor character development outside of the main plot.

My point is Stand by Me invented nothing.

[BLZBUBBA]

STEPHEN KING was fuming about one movie in particular based on a book he wrote.

THE SHINING. Now does anyone want to attack Stanley Kubrick? I haven't heard or seen where King was on Tarantino's ass about stealing his ideas but he was pissed about Kubrick's handling of THE SHINING.

Go ahead. Slam Kubrick.

[jelsey01]

STEPHEN KING was fuming about one movie in particular based on a book he wrote.

THE SHINING. Now does anyone want to attack Stanley Kubrick? I haven't heard or seen where King was on Tarantino's ass about stealing his ideas but he was pissed about Kubrick's handling of THE SHINING.

Go ahead. Slam Kubrick.

FUCKING MIRAMAX...I mean KUBIRICK!

[epo]

epo...
E. Music ...Tarantino is great at putting together a soundtrack.

I agree. But I was just curious as to which movie the last few years has had a great ORIGINAL score. I recently picked up the soundtracks for THE GOOD, THE BAD, and the UGLY and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST. Original music for both films. Ennio Morricone was a genius. What happened to making original music for films? Has it become a lost art or just too damn expensive?

But yeah...Agree with all your points.

Actually didn't the Kill Bill movies feature all of that original music by Wu Tang's RZA & Charles Bernstein? That is the last movie I remember actually really making an effort in that area.

[ChoppedLiver]

Look, Liver, I never said he was a hack. I just think he needs to give props.

Actually, I think he's made 2 of the top 10 movies ever made.


I don't think he needs to give anybody props.

EVERYBODY in the world has at one time or another benifitted from doing something after somebody else did it first. Woody Allen has had 'unattached dialogue scenes' going WAY back, and there were many before Woody.

David LEAN had unattached dialogue scenes. So did John Ford. Orson Welles.

Fuck.

[jelsey01]

I don't think he needs to give anybody props.

EVERYBODY in the world has at one time or another benifitted from doing something after somebody else did it first. Woody Allen has had 'unattached dialogue scenes' going WAY back, and there were many before Woody.

David LEAN had unattached dialogue scenes. So did John Ford. Orson Welles.

Fuck.

You're absolutely right. Every innovator needs to give credit to his predecessor. Why do you think I’m trying to credit Stephen King? WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE!

[Midkiff]

jelsey01, to blaspheme against my God, the one and only Almighty Ron Bennington, is a mortal sin. Ron is infallible. If he said it, it is law, and so it is and ever shall be. Eternity in the lake of fire for you.

[ChoppedLiver]

jelsey01, to blaspheme against my God, the one and only Almighty Ron Bennington, is a mortal sin. Ron is infallible. If he said it, it is law, and so it is and ever shall be. Eternity in the lake of fire for you.


Amen.

[ChoppedLiver]

You're absolutely right. Every innovator needs to give credit to his predecessor. Why do you think I’m trying to credit Stephen King? WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE!

Goodnight.

[jelsey01]

jelsey01, to blaspheme against my God, the one and only Almighty Ron Bennington, is a mortal sin. Ron is infallible. If he said it, it is law, and so it is and ever shall be. Eternity in the lake of fire for you.

Listen, I'm a follower of the almighty Bennington. I listen to recorded episodes of the show just so I can fall asleep. My girlfriend tries to make me stop because she's a Birmingham heyseed, but the more she listens, the more she loves FEZ.

Anyway, I love you all. I wish I still lived in NY so I could meet you guys!

[epo]

You're absolutely right. Every innovator needs to give credit to his predecessor. Why do you think I’m trying to credit Stephen King? WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE!

So Tarantino should be giving credit to Raymond Chandler, David Mamet & Paddy Chayefsky?

May I reiterate my earlier point, Stand by Me invented nothing.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Even though Quentin is an awesome movie maker, he should pay Steven King royalties for his success.

So long as Stephen King then pays rotalties to Sergio Leone, George Lucas, Richard Adams, Robert Browning, TS Elliot, J.R.R. Tolkien, The Beatles, L Frank Baum, Marvel Comics, J.K. Rowlings and Akria Kurosawa for the Dark Tower books.

[mikeyboy]

So Tarantino should be giving credit to Raymond Chandler, David Mamet & Paddy Chayefsky?

May I reiterate my earlier point, Stand by Me invented nothing.

And that should be the end of this thread. DONK

[jelsey01]

And that should be the end of this thread. DONK

AHHHHHH.....you fucking Earl clones - where were the calls when Ron said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline?

Just give Stephen King his fucking props!

[lleeder]

(picture of ass cave)

[burrben]

i heard that his stories ripoff jim jarmusch. like kill bill was a ripoff of that forest whitiker one, ghost train or ghost dog or something. and there are like two other ones.

[jelsey01]

(picture of ass cave)

If you want a picture of Earl's ass cave, why don't you just tell him to roll over?

[blakjeezis]

OK. Rob Reiner is a directorial genius, and QT is a thieving hack. Gotcha.
Let's not disparage Rob Reiner now. I mean, Princess Bride, Harry Met Sally, Ghosts of Mississippi. Misery (also from King's book, coincidentally, A Few Good Men, Spinal Tap. I'm not saying he's Tarantino, but he's not Uwe Boll either.

[jelsey01]

OK. Rob Reiner is a directorial genius, and QT is a thieving hack. Gotcha.
Let's not disparage Rob Reiner now. I mean, Princess Bride, Harry Met Sally, Ghosts of Mississippi. Misery (also from King's book, coincidentally, A Few Good Men, Spinal Tap. I'm not saying he's Tarantino, but he's not Uwe Boll either.

I never said that QT was a hack. I said from the beginning that I loved his work, but you gotta give Steven King credit for the influence.

[hedges]

All artists have their influences or "steal", they do not exist in a vacuum. Of course there are original moments. Tarantino seems to have no problem listing his inflluences.

[jelsey01]

All artists have their influences or "steal", they do not exist in a vacuum. Of course there are original moments. Tarantino seems to have no problem listing his inflluences.

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Read my fucking post before you comment, D - Sipper!

[hedges]

Okay, I admit you have an interesting argument. But let me ask you this. You're telling me that "Stand By Me" set the precedent, in all of film, for this technique, and Stephen King is responsible? Nothing else.

[sailor]

AHHHHHH.....you fucking Earl clones - where were the calls when Ron said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline?

Just give Stephen King his fucking props!

get your facts straight. mikeyboy's a communist, NOT an earl clone. (btw, that's the 2nd time you brought up the earl clone thing...wtf?)

also, after quentin gives his props are you going to ask stevie to give props to hp lovecraft? and THAT was the point of the newton quote, everyone builds on the people who came before them.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

i heard that his stories ripoff jim jarmusch. like kill bill was a ripoff of that forest whitiker one, ghost train or ghost dog or something. and there are like two other ones.

You're killing me here. Kill Bill is a modern take on the chambara samurai flicks of the 70's. Both films were probably insipred by Lady Snowblood, Zatoichi, Lone Wolf and Cub and the like. (Kill Bill more so than Ghost Dog). It's like saying any new action movie where the hero has a gun in each hand is a rip off of the Matrix.

[foodcourtdruide]

You're absolutely right. Every innovator needs to give credit to his predecessor. Why do you think I’m trying to credit Stephen King? WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE!

I don't think anyone said QT created dialogue, but he was definitely an innovator of how dialogue was presented. The dialogue in QT movies has such a strong presence that is almost a character. Other directors have pulled this off before, but QT is consistent with it. It's shot beautifully, and the content is brilliant.

[burrben]

You're killing me here. Kill Bill is a modern take on the chambara samurai flicks of the 70's. Both films were probably insipred by Lady Snowblood, Zatoichi, Lone Wolf and Cub and the like. (Kill Bill more so than Ghost Dog). It's like saying any new action movie where the hero has a gun in each hand is a rip off of the Matrix.

i'm just saying what i heard. i could really give a shit less about quentin tarantino anymore

[furie]

I love his movies, but I have to disagree with one of Ron's statements the other day. He said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline. Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!

The first movie to do what Tarantino does was Stand By Me (1986). Do you remember when Gordy, Chris, Vern, and Teddy were sitting around the fire discussing what Goofy was?

Quentin basically took that movie and made a career out of it. Think of Reservoir Dogs as the camera makes the rounds through the caracters; it's the same scene! Also, think of the great music of SBM. Tarantino isn't a leader, he's a follower!

Even though Quentin is an awesome movie maker, he should pay Steven King royalties for his success.

Tarantino is not a fraud and your logic is flawed. Here's why:
Tarantino did not stand up and say "I invented original, compelling dialouge that doesn't follow the storyline!" if he had, then, maybe you'd have a point. That is assuming Stand by me is where he got the idea.
Ron said this, not QT.

[cougarjake13]

[QUOTE=BLZBUBBA;1263479]epo...
E. Music ...Tarantino is great at putting together a soundtrack.

I agree. But I was just curious as to which movie the last few years has had a great ORIGINAL score. I recently picked up the soundtracks for THE GOOD, THE BAD, and the UGLY and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST. Original music for both films. Ennio Morricone was a genius. What happened to making original music for films? Has it become a lost art or just too damn expensive?
QUOTE]

theres more money in putting bands and singers that are hot at that moment on the soundtrack then some original stuff

before they started doing that, how many people were going out to buy a soundtrack after they saw a movie ???

now almost every movie puts out a soundtrack whereas before i dont think that was the case

[ChoppedLiver]

I don't think anyone said QT created dialogue, but he was definitely an innovator of how dialogue was presented. The dialogue in QT movies has such a strong presence that is almost a character. Other directors have pulled this off before, but QT is consistent with it. It's shot beautifully, and the content is brilliant.

I was tired last night and MAY have steered the thread off course somewhat, but the OP's claims just didn't wash with me.

[weekapaugjz]

I love his movies, but I have to disagree with one of Ron's statements the other day. He said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline. Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!

The first movie to do what Tarantino does was Stand By Me (1986). Do you remember when Gordy, Chris, Vern, and Teddy were sitting around the fire discussing what Goofy was?

Quentin basically took that movie and made a career out of it. Think of Reservoir Dogs as the camera makes the rounds through the caracters; it's the same scene! Also, think of the great music of SBM. Tarantino isn't a leader, he's a follower!

Even though Quentin is an awesome movie maker, he should pay Steven King royalties for his success.

you are the reason ron doesn't read the board. way to go newb...

[jetdog]

I love his movies, but I have to disagree with one of Ron's statements the other day. He said that Tarantino invented movies with dialogue that doesn't follow the storyline. Even though I love Ronnie like an alcoholic uncle, I have to say that he's WRONG!

The first movie to do what Tarantino does was Stand By Me (1986). Do you remember when Gordy, Chris, Vern, and Teddy were sitting around the fire discussing what Goofy was?

Quentin basically took that movie and made a career out of it. Think of Reservoir Dogs as the camera makes the rounds through the caracters; it's the same scene! Also, think of the great music of SBM. Tarantino isn't a leader, he's a follower!

Even though Quentin is an awesome movie maker, he should pay Steven King royalties for his success.
:banning:

[jelsey01]

you are the reason ron doesn't read the board. way to go newb...

That's fucking great! I just heard Ron mention the thread and laughed my ass off. I'm just honored that he took the time to call me an idiot.

[reillyluck]

That's fucking great! I just heard Ron mention the thread and laughed my ass off. I'm just honored that he took the time to call me an idiot.

Hope youre proud of yourself.

[ChimneyFish]

I don't think he needs to give anybody props.

EVERYBODY in the world has at one time or another benifitted from doing something after somebody else did it first. Woody Allen has had 'unattached dialogue scenes' going WAY back, and there were many before Woody.

David LEAN had unattached dialogue scenes. So did John Ford. Orson Welles.

Fuck.



Don't forget about John the Baptist. He's the one that started that whole thing.

[ralphbxny]

He deserves a month vacation for his idiocy!!

[BLZBUBBA]

Wait a second. If Ron is going to blow off the site because of one newbie so be it. But the original post was rebutted ad nauseum. The guy has a grand total of 22 posts and Ron is going to blow off the entire site because of what one newbie says? Ron knows most on the board are loyal fans and intelligent. I hate to say it but the guy has the right to his opinion (which was smashed) just as Ron has the right not to read them.
Originally I thought it a bit too thin-skinned a response from the master. But the guy did kinda go after Ron with the post. I thought I was defending Ron when defending Tarantino. Okay. I'll try again.
Ron has forgotten more about movies than most will ever know. I bow to kiss his ring...for he is truly Mr. Cinema, Mr. Bijou, Mr. Cineplex, MR. MOVIOLA! PLEASE come back Ronnie B.

[nate1000]

epo...
E. Music ...Tarantino is great at putting together a soundtrack.

I agree. But I was just curious as to which movie the last few years has had a great ORIGINAL score. I recently picked up the soundtracks for THE GOOD, THE BAD, and the UGLY and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST. Original music for both films. Ennio Morricone was a genius. What happened to making original music for films? Has it become a lost art or just too damn expensive?

But yeah...Agree with all your points.

Danny. Elfman.

[BLZBUBBA]

Sorry for the double-post but there is one more thing. Probably more important than my last post.
The title of the thread? TARANTINO IS A FRAUD. That really is a lousy choice for a title. Ron might be pissed off because someone logs onto this site...RONFEZ.NET and sees there in big bold caps TARANTINO IS A FRAUD. And that's a pretty serious charge to make if you really think about it. You've basically accused Tarantino OF FRAUD!
Hell. I'm a bit sickened seeing my lame-assed net handle next to that rubbish. EDIT IT NOW..THE TITLE OF THE THREAD.

[jelsey01]

Wait a second. If Ron is going to blow off the site because of one newbie so be it. But the original post was rebutted ad nauseum. The guy has a grand total of 22 posts and Ron is going to blow off the entire site because of what one newbie says? Ron knows most on the board are loyal fans and intelligent. I hate to say it but the guy has the right to his opinion (which was smashed) just as Ron has the right not to read them.
Originally I thought it a bit too thin-skinned a response from the master. But the guy did kinda go after Ron with the post. I thought I was defending Ron when defending Tarantino. Okay. I'll try again.
Ron has forgotten more about movies than most will ever know. I bow to kiss his ring...for he is truly Mr. Cinema, Mr. Bijou, Mr. Cineplex, MR. MOVIOLA! PLEASE come back Ronnie B.

I like your post. Very well said, but calling me a newbie is like a badge of honor. Usually I just prefer to read what you guys have to say about the best show on all media. I thought it would be entertaining to hear what you guys thought about my observation of the Stand By Me scene around the campfire. The funny thing is that if Mister B decided to start a thread, you would smash him for being a newbie too.

[sailor]

Wait a second. If Ron is going to blow off the site because of one newbie so be it. But the original post was rebutted ad nauseum. The guy has a grand total of 22 posts and Ron is going to blow off the entire site because of what one newbie says? Ron knows most on the board are loyal fans and intelligent. I hate to say it but the guy has the right to his opinion (which was smashed) just as Ron has the right not to read them.
Originally I thought it a bit too thin-skinned a response from the master. But the guy did kinda go after Ron with the post. I thought I was defending Ron when defending Tarantino. Okay. I'll try again.
Ron has forgotten more about movies than most will ever know. I bow to kiss his ring...for he is truly Mr. Cinema, Mr. Bijou, Mr. Cineplex, MR. MOVIOLA! PLEASE come back Ronnie B.

or it's all a ronnie b work. keep that one under yer hat, tho'.

[BLZBUBBA]

Newbie is not an attempt at a slam. I'm a newbie myself. But I have to emphasize that the title of the thread is really bothersome. They try to get guests for the show and some publicist might look at this site. If Tarantino (or his people) were to just click on the site and see...TARANTINO IS A FRAUD they might just say..."Fuck them."

It has been brought up before on the show. Think about the post titles because that's what people see when they come to the site. Have a title that's within reason and then try to make your case in the body of the post.

And as far as scores for recent movies I'm thinking along the lines of orchestral pieces usually found in wide sweeping epics. It may be that most movies today aren't wide sweeping epics. Hence the lack of great masterpiece original scores.

[jelsey01]

BLZBUBBA,

I think it's too late to edit the thread title.

[sailor]

BLZBUBBA,

I think it's too late to edit the thread title.

he may have been looking for a mod to do it.

[Mike Teacher]

What movie Doesn't have some dialouge which is not aimed at driving the plot forward? Sheesh not every word is directly related to whatever struggle the protagonist has as he struggles to overcome his flaw and reach a climax and denoument.

C'mon, it's small talk, and it fleshes out movie scenes, makes them more human. Every movie has it. Tarantino is known for his, but King, nor anyone else can lay claim to inventing putting small talk into movies.

Not dialouge but look at movie musicals, holy cow they'll break into song about the stupidest aside at the cue of an orchestra. 'It's a Once A Year Day !!!' Oh Is It? Great, but doesnt help me a lot with what the friggin movie is about.

Just as every frame of film isnt shot to drive the plot, some is strictly to establish mood, to make it more 'lifelike' so that we might suspend our disbelief, coz life has it's asides, it's small talk, it's let's just do this for absolutely no reaosn at all moments.

[jelsey01]

Sailor,

If a mod could change the title to QT is a copycat or whatever, I'm all for it. Maybe calling him a "fraud" was a little strong......wait, actually the vodka tonics were what was strong.

[RapistWit]

you are the reason ron doesn't read the board. way to go newb...

Why? Because someone might disagree with him?

I'm a huge fan of Mr B and I have no problem disagreeing with him on the merits of Quentin Tarantino films. In fact, it was blatanly obvious to me that, after watching grindhouse, QT doesn't even get his own concept! I haven't listened to the show today yet so I'm not sure if Bennington saw Grindhouse this weekend. But I have a hard time beliveing that he would have liked Tarantino's half over Rodriguez's half.

[weekapaugjz]

Why? Because someone might disagree with him?

I'm a huge fan of Mr B and I have no problem disagreeing with him on the merits of Quentin Tarantino films. In fact, it was blatanly obvious to me that, after watching grindhouse, QT doesn't even get his own concept! I haven't listened to the show today yet so I'm not sure if Bennington saw Grindhouse this weekend. But I have a hard time beliveing that he would have liked Tarantino's half over Rodriguez's half.

it's called sarcasm

[jelsey01]

What movie Doesn't have some dialouge which is not aimed at driving the plot forward? Sheesh not every word is directly related to whatever struggle the protagonist has as he struggles to overcome his flaw and reach a climax and denoument.

C'mon, it's small talk, and it fleshes out movie scenes, makes them more human. Every movie has it. Tarantino is known for his, but King, nor anyone else can lay claim to inventing putting small talk into movies.

First, I'd like to say that I always enjoy your calls on the show and I respect your opinion very much.

I have to say, however, that my post was directed at Ron's comments about the dialogue in QT's films. When he initially talked about it, I was in full agreement, but after watching Stand By Me again, a light went on in my head. Maybe it was a flashback from a bad trip. Anyway, the scene was too much like Resivoir Dogs and the conversation was nothing about nothing - just like a lot of QT films. Whatever the case - It got me thinking and I wanted to see what everyone else thought, too. And by the looks of it, I did create a minor stir.

[Golfman]

I don't know if he is a fraud or not, but I do know that he sucks. Not a big fan. Would rather watch a M. Night Shamalyan movie anyday.

[cupcakelove]

I don't know if he is a fraud or not, but I do know that he sucks. Not a big fan. Would rather watch a M. Night Shamalyan movie anyday.

M. Night?!?! Ok, I get it, you just want Ron to get mad and mention you on the show.

[Golfman]

hehe

[Midkiff]

That's fucking great! I just heard Ron mention the thread and laughed my ass off. I'm just honored that he took the time to call me an idiot.

It's not funny, you CUNT. If you come between me and my God, Ron Bennington, I will have to cut out your heart to win back His favor. I won't hesitate.

Stop drawing negative attention to this, the best of all R&F sites.

Wait a minute - you're ESD, aren't you?

[epo]

I can't believe that I'm replying to this fucking post again.

But I have noticed a problem. A few weeks ago, Ron was discussing "Best Westerns" albeit very loosely. The first number of callers who got on the air replied with nothing older than 1980. Ron went off about people having no sense of history and that the world did not begin in 1980.

The very nature of this thread has the exact same problem. The dude that thinks that Stand by Me invented anything has no fucking sense of film history. Maybe you should catch a black & white movie sometime. Stand by Me is a buddy movie, not the first. Stand by Me has stand-alone dialogue, not the first.

Let me repeat, Tarantino owes Stephen King nothing. If anything Stephen King owes the Raymond Chandler estate a big bag of money.

[KennethC]

Scorcese is a fraud. Goodfellas was little more than a shot-for-shot ripoff of Bugsy Malone -albeit with adults cast as gangsters instead of children, and guns that shoot bullets instead of whipped cream.