I'm venting so piss off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Team_Ramrod]

As many of you are aware, I am working away from my home, my family.

Well yesterday I got a call from my wife saying "there was an incident at home today"...
Apparently my sister dropped off her kids at my place so my mom could watch them (my mom was down at our house visiting... she does it every so often when I'm away to help my wife out with the housework and the kids). Anyway, She dropped off her kids at my place for my mom to watch them, my mom is 56 years old and has her hands full with just my kids. Now understand, my wife or I never asked my mom to help, she just does. After my sister left the house chaos broke out... my nephew went on a tough guy hitch that had him break my wifes glasses, push my 5 year old daughter over so hard she hurt her neck and her back and had him punch my 5 year old son in the face for absolutely no reason.

My family is a 'non-violent' family. I've had my share of fights and seen alot of damage done in my time but my kids have never been subjeted to any kind of physical violence and they have never had any inflicted on them. My daughter is so in shock because of these events that she literally spoke 7 words the rest of the day to her mother and her grandparents. It wasn't until I talked to her on the phone and told her I will make sure it's taken care of and this will never happen again (I said more but that would hurt my online personna) that she finally told me what had happened.

After hearing all the shit that happened I asked for my mom. I told her "that when my kids were born I made a deal with myself, my kids would not be raised as bullies but as the 'other' kid who stuck up for the person getting bullied. I also said that if a situation ever happened that my kids were bullied that I wouldn't deal with the kid, I wouldn't deal with the teacher or the principle...I'd deal with the dad." At this time I was very emotional, I have never felt an anger like this before. It was a different anger then I've ever experienced. I then told my mom "I can't get ahold of ******, she won't answer my calls. You mom, call that fuckin cunt and tell her that that little fucker is lucky I'm away at work cause I'd throw him through a wall....I also told her to tell my sister that if I evre see her husband again I am going to fuck him up to the point he has a healthy stay in the hospital. If I ever see him again I will beat the ever living fuck out of him, the best move for him is to never show his face again...ever." For some reason, even now looking back, I don't care about the repercussions, I don't care for the consequences, I just want payback. All my mom would say is "I don't understand but I respect your feelings and I will tell her". I also told my dad not to bother calling me to ask me to let it go, even though I doubt he would because he is a father, he went head to head to protect his kids in some shitty situations so he knows my pain.

I don't regret any of it, I don't regret the threats, I don't doubt my actions the next time I see him. I know what I'll do, I know of the consequences and I know the end result but I cannot have my kids waking up 6 times a night crying and having bad dreams because they were bullied and seen their brother beaten up.

Don't tell me I'm wrong, I know I am. Don't offer advice cause the decision and the direction is all laid out.

If you need to reply, reply aas to how you would have handled it.

[Furtherman]

Wow. Sorry for your troubles. Just trying to be clear: You think your nephew is a bully and his father, your brother-in-law, is raising him that way or isn't doing anything to stop him from bullying?

[lleeder]

Hows your relationship with your sister prior to this incident? Is there a man in her sons life maybe he doesnt have good role models to teach him things like you and your wife teach your kids. I don't have kids but I understand your anger. Hope your kids are alright.

[JPMNICK]

how old is your nephew?

[Dougie Brootal]

how old is your nephew?

i totally understand how you feel rammer. do what you gotta do!

[Snacks]

Here is how I would deal with it.

First I would tell my mother that next time my sister needed help that my mother could leave my wife to help my sister. I would also talk to my sister and brother in law, not fight them because 1 its family and 2 teaching my kids not to be a bully is great but showing them not to fight a family member like a bully is just as great. I would talk to my kids and say what happend was wrong and teach them to defend themselves (not start the fight but defend if something were to happen)

Its a tough call, people handle things differently. Knowing whats right and whats wrong would tell me what to do. If I know this and still do whats wrong, then nI deserve as much of a beaten as I thought I was going to give.

[patsopinion]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/AndyGarcia20.jpg

the fucked up nephew(gf 3)

thanksgiving should be fun though

[Team_Ramrod]

i totally understand how you feel rammer. do what you gotta do!

The nephew is 10...my twins are 5. Therefore any repercussions with the kid is out of the question.

Snacks, anything that goes on will not be around my kids, they will not know what daddy has done. I tell people that it takes a bigger man to walk away but I know as well as you that it's a bunch of shit at times.

Other answers, my relationship with my sister before was shit. I hate her, she is a lazy ass who goes around trying to scam and sue anyone she can. I've never liked her....she's my half sister (dads kid from when he was really young).

The dad factor.... he is a useless piece of shit who keeps getting fired from jobs cause he can't lay off the liquor or the weed.

So in summary, it's a lack of a good father figure, it's a lack of strict up bringing and it's a lack of a role model.

Oh yeah, my daughter also developed a black eye yesterday.

So Doug, I'll do what I gotta. (except what pat opted for).

Thanks guys, I almost feel a bit better gettting this off my chest.... not letting it go better but better none the less.

[Justice4all]

The nephew is 10...my twins are 5. Therefore any repercussions with the kid is out of the question.

Snacks, anything that goes on will not be around my kids, they will not know what daddy has done. I tell people that it takes a bigger man to walk away but I know as well as you that it's a bunch of shit at times.

Other answers, my relationship with my sister before was shit. I hate her, she is a lazy ass who goes around trying to scam and sue anyone she can. I've never liked her....she's my half sister (dads kid from when he was really young).

The dad factor.... he is a useless piece of shit who keeps getting fired from jobs cause he can't lay off the liquor or the weed.

So in summary, it's a lack of a good father figure, it's a lack of strict up bringing and it's a lack of a role model.

Oh yeah, my daughter also developed a black eye yesterday.

So Doug, I'll do what I gotta. (except what pat opted for).

Thanks guys, I almost feel a bit better gettting this off my chest.... not letting it go better but better none the less.


Sounds like to me you are trying to be the best dad you can be for your kids despite the lack of a role model for when YOU were growing up. Tough to do but, if it helps, my father had no dad when he was 5 until now. And he was the best dad I know. If he is any indication of what kind of dad you will be, I look foward to hearing about how your kids as adults will grow.

Oh, and I would have had a stern lecture to my mom about why SHE did not handle the situation and let this 10 year old beat up on two 5 year olds. If that were my mother, she would have given him a 'time out'. Which kinda sucks because back in MY day she would have just spanked his sorry ass and put him in the corner. I think that is more effective then 'time out'.

Hell it worked for me.

[JPMNICK]

a ten year old should def know better. If the kid was 4 or 5, then i would say not to flip out. but him being 10 and beating up on little kids sounds like the making of a serial killer.

[Team_Ramrod]

Justice.... Maybe there's a bit of a communication problem, I might not have correctly explained something. If I messed up I'll clarify now; I didn't have an absentee father. My dad was home everynight (side work...so about 14 days/ year). I had an excellent role model growing up, it's the little boy that has no role model.
My father has actually gone up and had meetings with some pretty infamous groups, that shall remain nameless, about my bro (he was into some bad shit a few years back). My dad has always been my Supeman, he is the one who I probably picked up this feeling of 'vengance'(?) from.

NICK, funny you should mention 'serial killer'... this is the kid who cut the head off my kitten 3 years ago, the only reason they were still in my life in any capacity is because my wife always wants to forgive and forget.

Shits a problem with this kid, he WILL kill or rape someone some day if he doesn't get turned around, it's not up to me to parent the community, if his dad and mom won't do it then I'm at a loss. I guess the only way to improve his father figure situation is to show his dad what a 'real dad' goes through for his kids.


Hey Kev,
Thanks for the PM

[JPMNICK]

Justice.... Maybe there's a bit of a communication problem, I might not have correctly explained something. If I messed up I'll clarify now; I didn't have an absentee father. My dad was home everynight (side work...so about 14 days/ year). I had an excellent role model growing up, it's the little boy that has no role model.
My father has actually gone up and had meetings with some pretty infamous groups, that shall remain nameless, about my bro (he was into some bad shit a few years back). My dad has always been my Supeman, he is the one who I probably picked up this feeling of 'vengance'(?) from.

NICK, funny you should mention 'serial killer'... this is the kid who cut the head off my kitten 3 years ago, the only reason they were still in my life in any capacity is because my wife always wants to forgive and forget.

Shits a problem with this kid, he WILL kill or rape someone some day if he doesn't get turned around, it's not up to me to parent the community, if his dad and mom won't do it then I'm at a loss. I guess the only way to improve his father figure situation is to show his dad what a 'real dad' goes through for his kids.


Hey Kev,
Thanks for the PM


that is some sick shit. he def has some issues, maybe stemming from shit at home or whatever, but you should push your mom or dad to talk to your sister about getting him some help. he sounds like he is out there.

[reeshy]

Ramrod.....you need to call the cops on this kid.....mutilating cats....and now beating up your kids....it has to be stopped......

[Team_Ramrod]

I know reesh,

The problem is that police hands are tied so many times and they only work within the confines of the law, You know this....right?

I remember one time the bitch broke into my house and took some shit...I actually called the cops; They told me they would sooner not get involved with a domestic case so I should just talk it out.

Fuckin Lethbridge city cops...I should have called the RCMP!

They always get their man you know!!!!!

[drjoek]

I know its none of my business but what hasn't been mentioned I think is that your mom is helping out and its your sisters kids not hers. Your mom is put in the difficult position of dealing with her grandkids. Youve got to talk to yor sister directly. I would also be careful with the threats of violence to the kids and husband. These daysthe way society is you could be in a world of hurt just for saying such things even if its only in anger with no intent to go through with.
Sorry about the troubles but try talking to your sister. That shit should not happen to your kids

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I dunno, I'd beat the shit out of the father and kick the kid in the balls. I hate kids anyway. Especially the cruel ones. Though that'll land ya in jail. So that's a problem in and of itself. But I'm stupid like that.

[freakmagnet1313]

Please note I spell like a third grader! :ohmy:

:furious:

As a parent, I totally feel your anger!!! I would want to kick the ever-living crap out of that kid. and smack my moms on the back of the head for not intervening.

The kid needs serious professional help. beating on small children, killing animals and breaking stuff...... I suggest keeping your kids away from him as much as you have control and I would contemplate calling dyfus (or the like child protective services) anonymously and say a coworker was talking about his nephew and so forth.

I wish you all the best, it’s is a shame but it’s a part of life

[Justice4all]

Justice.... Maybe there's a bit of a communication problem, I might not have correctly explained something. If I messed up I'll clarify now; I didn't have an absentee father. My dad was home everynight (side work...so about 14 days/ year). I had an excellent role model growing up, it's the little boy that has no role model.
My father has actually gone up and had meetings with some pretty infamous groups, that shall remain nameless, about my bro (he was into some bad shit a few years back). My dad has always been my Supeman, he is the one who I probably picked up this feeling of 'vengance'(?) from.

NICK, funny you should mention 'serial killer'... this is the kid who cut the head off my kitten 3 years ago, the only reason they were still in my life in any capacity is because my wife always wants to forgive and forget.

Shits a problem with this kid, he WILL kill or rape someone some day if he doesn't get turned around, it's not up to me to parent the community, if his dad and mom won't do it then I'm at a loss. I guess the only way to improve his father figure situation is to show his dad what a 'real dad' goes through for his kids.


Hey Kev,
Thanks for the PM


Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. I am clear on it now. It is good to see another man stepping up and being an awsome dad. I was glad to hear it.

And this kid cut the head off of a kitten? At age 7???
A few questions.
First of all how in the world can your wife be so forgiving about this? I know about 100 women who would never let this psycho kid anywhere near their family again. Forgive and forget will most likely someday get one of your kids killed. (and god I hope I am very very wrong about this)
It is a proven fact that MANY serial killers/mass murderers started with animals before moving on to people.
This kid is on his way to do terrible things. I would make everyone in the community aware of this. If it is hushed up by the family then someday it might blow up into something awful.
You may not want to parent that kid, and I do not blame you, but I would certainly keep him away from my family. If anyone puts up a stink (like your mom or wife) then make sure they know your stance and stand firm on this.
You will be doing this for the good of your kids and family. I am SURE they know this.

I really hope things work out for you soon and you do not hit too many rough patches.
Good luck.

[milliehatchett]

Ramrod, I completely understand and sympathize with your feelings about this family. I'm a mother and if ANYONE hurt my kid it would be the last person they ever hurt.

On the other hand, your nephew is heading for serious trouble in his life and he sounds as if he's doomed because of his circumstances. If he's living in a home situation with drugs, alcohol and neglect, maybe CPS needs to get involved. A call to child welfare authorities (anonymous or not) may be the appropriate thing to do....after you kick your bro-in-law's ass.

I can see your wife's point about "forgive and forget" but, you know, you CAN forgive someone and still keep them at a distance from you and your family. Forgiveness is about giving up your right to be angry. Bitterness only really hurts the one who is feeling bitter. Your sister and her baby daddy won't give a flying f*ck if you and your wife are angry at them OR if you and your wife forgive them. Tell your wife to go ahead and forgive if she wants but keep that kid away from your children!!!!

[SatCam]

are you home right now? If not, don't do anything rash until you are home. You don't want your wife and kids home alone while you are away fucking stuff up over the phone.

[ralphbxny]

Dude I am so sorry. I have a bad temp in those domestic things to so id take your nephew my the ankles and beat your sister with him. But dont listen to me bro. Hang in.

[JesterOfSadness]

NICK, funny you should mention 'serial killer'... this is the kid who cut the head off my kitten 3 years ago, the only reason they were still in my life in any capacity is because my wife always wants to forgive and forget.


I'll be honest, reading this really pissed me off. I would add more, but I don't want to set other things aflame.