Imus fired

[Tenbatsuzen]

Can anyone explain to me how this united people? If anything, it's polarizing.

[HBox]

Can anyone explain to me how this united people? If anything, it's polarizing.

What are you talking about? This united me and everyone who agrees with me.

[IamFogHat]

O & A are going to be so pissed tomorrow morning. We can all look forward to some good ole fashion uncomfortable radio interjected with the ole abruptly sexually ambiancely uncomfortable radio via lil jimmy norton.

What I'm saying is, our morning daddies are going to be very angry tomorrow. Get ready.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What are you talking about? This united me and everyone who agrees with me.

I didn't know you were a nappy haired negroid.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And see, I know the area Hbox lives, so I know he's white.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Because the black people in that area can't afford the internet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

....right?

[HBox]

And see, I know the area Hbox lives, so I know he's white.

I'm still offended. I want you to go on Louis Farrakan's radio show and apologize.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's terrible, I'm sorry.

I was only jokin'.

[HBox]

Because the black people in that area can't afford the internet.

The black people in this area are as white as I am.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm still offended. I want you to go on Louis Farrakan's radio show and apologize.


Farrakhan's holding on to life by a string. I'd show him photoshopped pics of Malcolm X fucking Nancy Reagan to send him over the edge.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The black people in this area are as white as I am.

Those are the Safartic Jews, Hbox.

[IamFogHat]

I think this thread will bring us together because now we know why Tenbatz has over 11,000 posts...just look at this page, because of his love of the double post, oh wait, besides that, I mean his love of the quadrouple post, plus two others besides that...see, this is a uniting issue.

[HBox]

Those are the Safartic Jews, Hbox.


I stay away from those areas. Too many skull-capped christ-killers.

[Snacks]

I just watched Oreilly factor just to see his take. He wasnt on the show he phoned in to his own show. Anyway he basically said the Imus deserved it and that all these shock jocks should watch what they say and that no one should spew hate talk on the radio lke these shock jocks do. He said he will now go after radio personalities, rappers, ceo's and anyone who either allows or spreads hate speech.

Uh, doesnt Oreilly do all this? Is he going to go after himself. fire himself, call himself out? I cant believe that most in the media isnt defending Imus on this. Not b/c they agree with what he said (most dont) but the fact that he has every right to say it. Someone wrote earlier that you arent guaranteed not to be offended in the country. That wasnt the greats thing I read on here. Even Rosie did, but not many others. I cant wait to watch Bill Mahr tomorrow. I think he will have the best insight on this issue. Atleast I hope he will.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I stay away from those areas. Too many skull-capped christ-killers.


I prefer the term boner-nosed beanie-wearing jewboys.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I stay away from those areas. Too many skull-capped christ-killers.


I always found it ironic that the highest concentration of Jews in the area is in a town called "Deal".

[FMJeff]

and while im here let me say this...this is truly a sad state of affairs we are in right now, there is a major war being waged overseas, gang violence is on the rise, just when the world appears to be tilting towards chaos is when we need laughter the most. and as a society we have become way too sensitive. i mean whats wrong with a quick giggle when a baby falls and cries? whenever younger people (ugh im 29, now i can actually use that term someone shoot me) comment on how awful the world is i usually say, 'pe-shaw the world aint so bad its what you do with your time here that makes life worth living,' but now if we cant make fun of each other in harmless ways, i might start to agree with their view of things. it almost makes you say why bother trying to cheer people up if they might complain at what you said. perhaps some day we will wake up and stop being such a bunch of babies and wussies. time to man up i say...punching out

Thank you for that brilliant insight. Man up. Fantastic stuff. Whodathunkit? All I needed to do to solve the world's problems is be tough.

This issue has been talked to death. I hate everything about it, but love the fact people are talking.

It won't end here, for IMUS or this issue of the place of questionable speech in modern american society.

[douchebagsean]

i have never been more ashamed to be an american in my entire life. general washington is spinning in his grave...he froze his balls off at valley forge for this shit!?! did you even read sharptons quote, 'this is not the end we belive there must be a discussion of what is appropriate over the airwaves." way to go to all the gutless cowards out there that allowed this to happen. its about time we all show some outrage similar to what sharpton has put forth. and to those who say it doesnt matter that they didnt listen to imus or didnt like imus, when they come after your fav radio station or personality you better not come bitching and whinning because you fools brought it on yourselves. if rosie agrees with keeping imus on the air you know this is a big freedom of speech issue. welcome to the brave new world ladies and gentlemen

[douchebagsean]

Thank you for that brilliant insight. Man up. Fantastic stuff. Whodathunkit? All I needed to do to solve the world's problems is be tough.

This issue has been talked to death. I hate everything about it, but love the fact people are talking.

It won't end here, for IMUS or this issue of the place of questionable speech in modern american society.

wow i didnt think anyone actually read my senseless ranting...thanks budday...but seriously when i said 'man up' i just meant to not whine about shit. im not saying what imus said was right far from it it was wrong but come on for the love of all things Holy if we fire everyone whose offended someone nobody would be working wed all be out of the job. i mean im all for civility in this world (im a teacher remember) but still giving up a freedom to chose whether or not to listen to 'shock jocks' and allow others to make the choice for me is scary plus lets not forget imus' appology was rejected by al sharpton and people are outraged over this? sharpton is the biggest sham since jesse jackson. anyways ur right this issue isnt over and i do wish we could finally have a discussion over it...

[Tenbatsuzen]

This just gets better and better.

Sharpton's now responsible for breaking Corzine's leg and ribs.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1238653720070413

[douchebagsean]

I prefer the term boner-nosed beanie-wearing jewboys.



boner-nose still one of the funniest put downs ever

[Doogie]

Hmmm I shot a 28 out of 40 with a rifle...looks like I need to head back to the range.

[Bestinshow]

I stay away from those areas. Too many skull-capped christ-killers.

I always found it ironic that the highest concentration of Jews in the area is in a town called "Deal".

Being a Jew I find you both offensive and you've ruined my life and my unborn childrens life and their unborn children. I want apologies from both of you......Than i want you suspended....Than thrown off the board...and this is just the beginning

[scottinnj]

I think what Imus said was pretty fucked up and i'm glad he's catching heat for it. whatever.


REALLY? C'mon...a suspension maybe, but to take away ALL of his ability to make money, and then to fire him IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS RADIOTHON?

[Bestinshow]

I cant wait to watch Bill Mahr tomorrow. I think he will have the best insight on this issue. Atleast I hope he will.

The guy who thought the 9/11 killers were brave? Oh yea, I want his insight.

[scottinnj]

I think what Imus said was pretty fucked up and i'm glad he's catching heat for it. whatever.

You know what? Those comments hurt me, and I'm offended. MODERATOR, suspend her for two weeks, then delete her account so I can NEVER BE HURT AGAIN!


again I ask you "Really?"

[HBox]

Being a Jew I find you both offensive and you've ruined my life and my unborn childrens life and their unborn children. I want apologies from both of you......Than i want you suspended....Than thrown off the board...and this is just the beginning


But I just started raising money for malnourished AIDS-infected orphan amputees from Sudan-wait, I just got a PM from Mikeyb-

[Bestinshow]

But I just started raising money for malnourished AIDS-infected orphan amputees from Sudan-wait, I just got a PM from Mikeyb-

This message board is no place for your spewing.....

And we will not pop corks to celebrate victory..

Well maybe a little malt liquor

[TheMojoPin]

You know what? Those comments hurt me, and I'm offended. MODERATOR, suspend her for two weeks, then delete her account so I can NEVER BE HURT AGAIN!


again I ask you "Really?"

Yeah, that was really an uncanny parallel. Incredibly eerie...I'm having trouble telling the two apart. Amazing...wow...holy shit, I need to sit down.

[TheMojoPin]

REALLY? C'mon...a suspension maybe, but to take away ALL of his ability to make money, and then to fire him IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS RADIOTHON?

Wait, who are you actually mad at for him being fired?

[Fat_Sunny]

Wait, who are you actually mad at for him being fired?


S/B "His" Not "Him"

[TheMojoPin]

S/B "His" Not "Him"

It works either way. "His" addresses the act of his firing, "him" makes it refer directly to the man actually being fired. Or something.

[Snacks]

The guy who thought the 9/11 killers were brave? Oh yea, I want his insight.

I wont get to into it here but this is exactly the freedoms we speak of. He was fired for a comment like that. I dont remember him saying brave but I do know what he was talking about when he said all that stuff after 9/11.

[MrPink]

I just saw on Wikipedia that Patrice O'Neal takes Imus' side. I wanna see Patrice vs Sharpton!

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm sure it's been posted but last night flipping through.... and OReilly who's on vaca in Ireland? is on sayin that this is only the begining and everyone will be under the microscope. He then went on to say that it was about the whole rap scene. Again I'm sure that this has been beaten to the ground already. 4 hours a day on XM in the near future.

[sr71blackbird]

http://www.drudgereport.com/nh.jpg

[Yerdaddy]

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[Don Stugots]

Yerdaddy, come on now, that is not news and you know it.

[A.J.]

"If I can make it back, so can Imus. WADDLE DOODLE-AYYY!!!"

http://www.thunder1045.com/images/greaseman.jpg

[moochcassidy]

nice to see superagent Bob Eatman bound into the scene and save the day with...

"It was an unfortunate comment and in poor taste," (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003664895_imus13.html)

he tries to salvage it with..."At what point do you have to lose your job when you've apologized and done all that you can?"

but why make that first comment at all? i dont get it.

btw this story is making it into the european mainstream press this morning. in the usual..'how very dare you be naughty and say bold things you crazy shaaaack jock.' instead of any critical analysis. this whole thing is fuckin mental.

[epo]

REALLY? C'mon...a suspension maybe, but to take away ALL of his ability to make money, and then to fire him IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS RADIOTHON?

Let me preface this with saying I don't give two shits about CBS radio or Don Imus. But CBS originally let Imus work Thursday & Friday because of the Radiothon. No other job in the world tells you on Wednesday that your suspension can start on Monday.

So Imus comes back to work on Thursday and starts shooting. He takes aim at MSNBC, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Harold Ford (who had nothing to fucking do with this!). Imus was talking very bitterly about the entire situation.

Traditionally in an on the air job, if you are fired/suspended you are done so immediately. This is done as an open microphone with a disgruntled employee is a very dangerous situation. If you are CBS at this point Imus crossed that good faith and they can't afford to keep him on Friday morning. Imus fucked those kids, not CBS.

And the Radiothon is still going on today with Charles & Imus' wife.

[Jujubees2]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070413/capt.sge.omc71.130407063208.photo01.photo.default-421x512.jpg?x=283&y=345&sig=J33WqidnhZ3Vb7H8ZpbKRQ--

Yerdaddy, how dare you try to get us off topic. Jesus, what's next? Will you talk about the Bush Administration and how they are REALLY infringing upon our Constitutional Rights, unlike this so-called Freedom of Speech issue with Imus?

[MrPink]

After all that apologizing, still fired. I think we can all learn a lesson from this ordeal, don't apologize, never feel sorry. If you say something, stick by it.

I thought it was funny that last night on Larry King, Della Reese came on and said something to the effect that any little black girl listening to Imus would feel bad for herself. What little black girl listens to Imus? She also said that people who mention rap have a faulty argument because you can turn it off. Can you not turn Imus off? Because the media made such a big deal of this, you can't turn it off since it's fucking everywhere! Let's not talk about this again!

[MrPink]

The guy who thought the 9/11 killers were brave? Oh yea, I want his insight.

As horrible as the acts they did were, it takes some balls to do something like that.

[Bestinshow]

I can say the same for David berkowitz and jeffrey Dama. But most people don't call that balls. And in reference to the original rebuttal from another poster, I never said he should be fired. I said he's an idiot. Idiots are allowed to work too.

As horrible as the acts they did were, it takes some balls to do something like that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

At least someone has some guts:




Talk KCAA-A/SAN BERNARDINO, CA is protesting the end of DON IMUS' syndicated show by airing a series of "Best of IMUS" shows next week, including the show in which IMUS made his fateful comments about the RUTGERS women's basketball team.

Owner FRED LUNDGREN will also air comments from listeners during the "best-of" run. LUNDGREN tells the LOS ANGELES TIMES, "Unless we get a court order to cease and desist, we're going to run it. I'm not going to let networks dictate to me who I run on my station."

"I hate to say it," LUNDGREN added, "but without IMUS, we're pretty much toast."

[Tenbatsuzen]

REALLY? C'mon...a suspension maybe, but to take away ALL of his ability to make money, and then to fire him IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS RADIOTHON?


I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that Imus is getting "cancelled" the same way O&A did after the Church deal.

The radiothon deal was bad, but I'm pretty sure Imus is getting paid.

[Furtherman]

Imus isn’t the real bad guy.

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture. (http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html)

Excellent article by Jason Whitlock, a black man.

[EliSnow]

Imus isn’t the real bad guy.

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture. (http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html)

Excellent article by Jason Whitlock, a black man.

I was reading in the Daily News today that Sharpton claims that he will be taking on hip hop artists etc. next for similar types of statements about black women. We'll see if Sharpton follows through such claims. Methinks we'll see some half-hearted attempts until the next white-black incident.

[A.J.]

Methinks we'll see some half-hearted attempts until the next white-black incident.

You mean that racism won't go away now that Imus has been fired?

[Earlshog]

I'm sure it's been posted but last night flipping through.... and OReilly who's on vaca in Ireland? is on sayin that this is only the begining and everyone will be under the microscope. He then went on to say that it was about the whole rap scene. Again I'm sure that this has been beaten to the ground already. 4 hours a day on XM in the near future.

wrong a week from now it will all be forgotten...

in the coming months we will be busy fighting of the Sean Bell case...

this was from Alan Sniffen who runs the NY radio message board


I don't know whether it was Imus or those above him who came up with the idea that Don should fall all over himself on some kind of "Apology Tour" but it was a BAD strategy (as I discussed on "Board Reflections" yesterday).
Imus should have let his first "mea culpa" stand last Friday and go no further. At that time he essentially said that he went too far but that's the nature of the show. By Monday he as acting like a guy who was guilty of everything being said about him. To use his own analogy he plead guilty to the first degree type murder charge when he was really only guilty of the accidental death type charge.
The problem was not only that he looked worse than he otherwise would have but he also took away his own defense strategy. Going to Sharpton endorsed the allegations made by his critics that this was racism of the worst kind. Once he conceded that point, he was done. Sharpton, who is always looking for a chance to generate publicity for himself, had the perfect vehicle and rode it right to the Today Show and Les Moonves' office. Afterall, Imus plead guilty to the crime. Now it was all about milking the story to the max--which is exactly what happened.
Imus' strategy *should* have been to say something like "Yes, I said something I shouldn't have said so I'm sorry... BUT... my show does that all the time. We kid around about jews, catholics, politicians, fat people, old people and so on. This is not a case where we were picking on any one group." He further should have argued that taking a single one line soundbite out of a show that goes five days a week, four hours a day for 35 years is not allowing people to understand the show. An out of context quote is not fair.
Finally... and I haven't seen ANYONE point this out, if you listen to the actual clip (linked below) listen to what he says *after* the comment that created the problem. Imus is comparing the Rutgers girls to the Tennessee girls. *Both* teams are black. He's essentially saying the girls on the Tennessee team are nicer looking than the girls on Rutgers. If you want insight into what he was thinking (which seems to be what everyone has tried to do) THERE IT IS IN HIS OWN WORDS. It was a comparison of the appearance of the girls on each team. Both teams are primarily black... therefore... how was this racial? It's no different than any group of guys comparing Girl A to Girl B. No it's not nice and yes Rutgers could still be offended. BUT... not for the racial reasons.
Yes, I know. Imus adjectives were at the very least a bad use of words. For that, and THAT ONLY, he should have apologized. Instead he gave away his defense on Monday by accepting his critics interpretation of what happened rather than standing his ground and defending himself.
HE HAS A SOLID DEFENSE and no one is using it and I can't begin to tell you how totally frustrated that has made me. I've been screaming at the radio all week. Imus knows the media as well as anyone. How could he let this happen to himself? In fact, I have so much faith in Imus' instincts that I don't think he did. This had to come from above. Someone thought he should apologize profusely for every single thing he was being accused of. Shame on whoever came up with CBS Radio's strategy. The punishment does not fit that crime.
I'm outraged by this. Absolutely outraged. Why should I not have the option of listening to Imus, who I have listened to since he got to New York over 35 years ago, because someone didn't know how to defend him? This guy is not racist. Never was. Never will be. It's a travesty of justice. Whoever is responsible should be ashamed of themselves. Imus may be a crusty curmudgeon who throws at insults at everyone from his wife to the president. But he IS NO RACIST and his comments, IN CONTEXT, were no worse than anything any of us hear on a regular basis which have nothing to do with race.

[mendyweiss]

Note to Coach Vivian Stringer:
SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!

[A.J.]

Sniffen is spot on. Well, except for Imus not being a racist. He is except (ironically) in the context of these comments.

[johnniewalker]

Imus isn’t the real bad guy.

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture. (http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html)

Excellent article by Jason Whitlock, a black man.

I used to hate the guy, but he is a pretty good outspoken writer. He was great on espn and called out scoop jackson one time and got thrown off espn. He had a divisive opinion and was replaced a more vanillla african american with easier to swallow opiinions.

[Frosty_Sacknuts]

I think it's true that Imus sank himself by apologizing. Once he did that he sounded like he was admitting being racist. The girls at the press conference killed him. Those girls sounded like they were confronting a man that raped them as children or some shit. Do we all believe none of these girls listen to music that calls them bitches and hoe's and love every minute of it? I'll tell you what though, when they spoke to him and his wife they knew damn well he wasnt being hateful or racist and probally feel bad he got fired, and you get the announcement they accept his apology today as a result.

I don't see Imus going to sattelite. What would he do? He wont get the same guests he did. The man is filthy rich and doesnt need anything else.

[underdog]

Jim Brown weighs in on the situation :

“In my position, it doesn't matter,” Brown said before the function. “I'm proactive. Our business is not to chase ambulances. Imus has apologized a hundred times. He is who he is. They're trying to bury him, but we're trying to change lives. If the African-American community is going to be successful, we have to look inward. It won't get done identifying bigots.

“It's much worse going into a neighborhood seeing a young man who believes he has the right to murder another young man. Or going into a school that doesn't have books. Imus is news this week. When he goes out of the news, then what?”

Brown believes there's a difference between a racial remark and racism.

“There is a major difference,” he said. “A racial remark doesn't mean you're a racist. I have made remarks that you could say were racial remarks and that I am a racist. I am not a racist.

“I am a great American. I love my country. People think I should feel like a victim. I learned a long time ago that acting like a victim gets you nowhere. I pay my taxes, so I want my damn rights. Success is a journey, not a destination.”

“These guys don't understand why they have what they have today. I'm generalizing, but it's an atrocity. African-American athletes should stop crying the damn blues and get off their butts and understand you have black kids killing themselves in their own neighborhoods. Stop complaining. Stop using the hip-hop culture as your example. Stop running out of bounds.”

(taken from here (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20070413-9999-1s13canepa.html))

[King Hippos Bandaid]

sniff

Imus in the Mournng

[ChimneyFish]

Jim Brown weighs in on the situation :

“In my position, it doesn't matter,” Brown said before the function. “I'm proactive. Our business is not to chase ambulances. Imus has apologized a hundred times. He is who he is. They're trying to bury him, but we're trying to change lives. If the African-American community is going to be successful, we have to look inward. It won't get done identifying bigots.

“It's much worse going into a neighborhood seeing a young man who believes he has the right to murder another young man. Or going into a school that doesn't have books. Imus is news this week. When he goes out of the news, then what?”

Brown believes there's a difference between a racial remark and racism.

“There is a major difference,” he said. “A racial remark doesn't mean you're a racist. I have made remarks that you could say were racial remarks and that I am a racist. I am not a racist.

“I am a great American. I love my country. People think I should feel like a victim. I learned a long time ago that acting like a victim gets you nowhere. I pay my taxes, so I want my damn rights. Success is a journey, not a destination.”

“These guys don't understand why they have what they have today. I'm generalizing, but it's an atrocity. African-American athletes should stop crying the damn blues and get off their butts and understand you have black kids killing themselves in their own neighborhoods. Stop complaining. Stop using the hip-hop culture as your example. Stop running out of bounds.”

(taken from here (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20070413-9999-1s13canepa.html))




God damn.
I wish white culture had a leader this intelligent.

Gee, I wonder if you're going to see this on any newscasts........

[RogerPodacter]

I just saw on Wikipedia that Patrice O'Neal takes Imus' side. I wanna see Patrice vs Sharpton!


He rocked the fat ass when he went on hannity this week! it was great.

[Snacks]

this is getting way out of hand. Too many people are speaking out against Imus that I'm shocked. What he said wasnt nearly as bad as so many rappers, comedians and others have said. He basically made a joke about them being ugly while be black. Thats it.

Now Tony Dungy released a statement. I cant quote it directly but he said that this has hurt him more then anything he could think of in the past based on race in their industry (sports). And then the Bears coach said this has bothered him in a profound way and that black head coaches can relate.

I was always a big fan of Dungy but with all his religious talk and now this he has started to annoy me.

When are these people going to speak out for the 3 Duke players who were called rapists, racist and many other bad things. I think the 3 Dukes players have had it alot worse and will never get over what they were called. The girls basketball team will get over being called ho's and thugs. I'm sure they have watched a movie or listened to a song since this started and heard it and sang along to lyrics that calls their fellow females ho's Being called a rapist will follow those guys around forever, even though they are innocent.

[Kevin]

ESPN Just had a should Imus have been fired Poll.. And only 3 states out of 50 voted Yes... And Mike and the Mad Dog said today, that more sponsors pulled out of WFAN, because they fired Imus, than the ones who threatened to pull out if they did not fire him.. So good for the corporate cowards.

[Kevin]

this is getting way out of hand. Too many people are speaking out against Imus that I'm shocked. What he said wasnt nearly as bad as so many rappers, comedians and others have said. He basically made a joke about them being ugly while be black. Thats it.

Now Tony Dungy released a statement. I cant quote it directly but he said that this has hurt him more then anything he could think of in the past based on race in their industry (sports). And then the Bears coach said this has bothered him in a profound way and that black head coaches can relate.

I was always a big fan of Dungy but with all his religious talk and now this he has started to annoy me.

When are these people going to speak out for the 3 Duke players who were called rapists, racist and many other bad things. I think the 3 Dukes players have had it alot worse and will never get over what they were called. The girls basketball team will get over being called ho's and thugs. I'm sure they have watched a movie or listened to a song since this started and heard it and sang along to lyrics that calls their fellow females ho's Being called a rapist will follow those guys around forever, even though they are innocent.

The shit that bugged me about Dungy, when his son committed suicide is... You can not say your this devout Christan and say you follow every rule But when it involves you, its different.. In every religion, suicide, is a mortal sin.. So don't go saying i think my son is in heaven, when he committed suicide.. I know its harsh, and it was his son.. But either be a devout something, or do not be.. He is a huge figure in American culture.. So do not be a hypocrite... I mean do not say, your son is going to hell, just do not bring it up at all.

[Kevin]

damn, hit the quote, insted o edit..

[TheMojoPin]

ESPN Just had a should Imus have been fired Pole..

Was it Dick Pole?

[Kevin]

Was it Dick Pole?

Always with the dick jokes, huh Mojo?

And no.. It was just one Pollock doing the poll..

[TheMojoPin]

Always with the dick jokes, huh Mojo?

Dick is as big a joke as you can find, yeah. (http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061107&content_id=1736666&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin)

[underdog]

Maybe I'm retarded, or a little slow, but does anyone think Sharpton and Jackson kept this in the news because they knew all the charges were going to be dropped against the Duke kids? This way, instead of people attacking the girl who made up the rape charges, people go after the old white guy.

[Snacks]

Maybe I'm retarded, or a little slow, but does anyone think Sharpton and Jackson kept this in the news because they knew all the charges were going to be dropped against the Duke kids? This way, instead of people attacking the girl who made up the rape charges, people go after the old white guy.

This is the exact thing I have been saying all week long. No other person, radio show, media, TV show etc has mentioned this at all. Im shocked.

And yes I think this may be the reason. I think they knew sometime soon this week or so they would announce dropping the charges. I think Sharpton was looking for any semi racial (black) comment to attack so this new thing could over shadow the news and impotance of the Duke case.

[Bulldogcakes]

Not all power is weilded by Government.

No, some of it is held by angry mobs of people who cant take a joke.

[epo]

After all that apologizing, still fired. I think we can all learn a lesson from this ordeal, don't apologize, never feel sorry. If you say something, stick by it.


Actually this case will be taught in Crisis Communications courses in universities throughout the nation this fall. Imus literally shit the bed at every turn. He must have the worst fucking agent/PR team on the planet.

[jetdog]

Actually this case will be taught in Crisis Communications courses in universities throughout the nation this fall. Imus literally shit the bed at every turn. He must have the worst fucking agent/PR team on the planet.

Christ, I truly beleive he was being honest in all of his interactions after this happened. If that's where honesty will get you...well.....fuck...

[Bulldogcakes]

Hey Cakes, Donated today. There is a thread on Wackbag for it. I gave credit to OnA and Ron and Fez.

Me too, I wrote this in the comments

"Courtesy of O&A, and in memoriam to our nation's sense of humor

Or as the I-Man would say "Tell that schmuck Les Moonves to go eat a triple cheeseburger and die. Coward."


I was feeling charitable.

[TheMojoPin]

Random question to anyone out there...what would the circumstances have to be for you to approve of or at least not be "outraged" over a radio personality being suspended or fired for their on-air comments/behavior?

[Don Stugots]

Mojo, i am not sure but low ratings is one reason. at the very least show some decorum and let the guys host his charity event like you said you would earlier in the week. As Sharpton yelled louder and louder for his firing keep hammering your case of (i am para-phrasing) "we will address the situation after the telethon."

[Fat_Sunny]

Random question to anyone out there...what would the circumstances have to be for you to approve of or at least not be "outraged" over a radio personality being suspended or fired for their on-air comments/behavior?

Pre-Meditation Vs. Off The Cuff. Like Grease Minelli's Bit About The Black Guy Being Dragged Behind The Car.

[Kevin]

Random question to anyone out there...what would the circumstances have to be for you to approve of or at least not be "outraged" over a radio personality being suspended or fired for their on-air comments/behavior?

Mojo, It has nothing to do with Imus, or radio.. We are outraged, that, A He was fired during a very important kids telethon.. Which he as been doing or 18ys, and he has helped a ton of people with it.. And B, This fucking gutless country is letting 2 guys that would even be hacky for wrestling managers, whiled so much fucking power, but are not accountable for anything that they, nor the people that they fight for do.. WHERE THE FUCK IS THEIR APOLOGY TO THE DUKE LACROSSE PLAYERS?? They condemned these kids and slander them, with out a shred of evidence. other than they were fucking white, Its fucking bullshit.. Most people could not care less about Imus or what he does.. Its what happened.

[TheMojoPin]

Pre-Meditation Vs. Off The Cuff. Like Grease Minelli's Bit About The Black Guy Being Dragged Behind The Car.

Grease was especially doomed because it was well known (at least in the industry) about how everything on his show was always totally scripted by him and the writers he had on the staff.

[johnniewalker]

Random question to anyone out there...what would the circumstances have to be for you to approve of or at least not be "outraged" over a radio personality being suspended or fired for their on-air comments/behavior?

A on air malicious threat. The threat made by DJ star comes to mind.

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo, It has nothing to do with Imus, or radio.. We are outraged, that, A He was fired during a very important kids telethon.. Which he as been doing or 18ys, and he has helped a ton of people with it.. And B, This fucking gutless country is letting 2 guys that would even be hacky for wrestling managers, whiled so much fucking power, but are not accountable for anything that they, nor the people that they fight for do.. WHERE THE FUCK IS THEIR APOLOGY TO THE DUKE LACROSSE PLAYERS?? They condemned these kids and slander them, with out a shred of evidence. other than they were fucking white, Its fucking bullshit.. Most people could not care less about Imus or what he does.. Its what happened.

That doesn't answer my question. Most people on the radio seem to get fired either because their ratings suck or because of stuff they say/do on the air...and on-air content usually leads to discipline or dismissal due to public reaction. So given those circumstances and the responses people have had here ("if you don't like it, turn it off," etc.), what would a radio personality have to do or say on the air that would make anyone here actually agree with them facing disciplinary actions from their employers due to public reaction?

Or, along the lines of what you said, what if the people spearheading the protests and anger weren't Sharpton or Jackson?

[Don Stugots]

A on air malicious threat. The threat made by DJ star comes to mind.

Star's threat was made to a little kid that had nothing to do with anything. Good call Mr. Walker.

[TheMojoPin]

A on air malicious threat. The threat made by DJ star comes to mind.

Agreed. What he did was downright criminal.

[BLZBUBBA]

The uproar is not so much over Imus, at least in my opinion. It's more about I and US. We've all had to deal with watching what we say to the point where it's maddening. I can't whine about Imus without first whining over the whole PC deal in general and how it affects me.

He shouldn't have said what he did about those kids. My opinion. I could take issue with the firing but in today's world he probably had it coming. That's just the way it is. If you say the wrong thing you can lose sponsors and that's the end. Money. The very same thing will get you fired in just about any job in the country should the wrong person overhear. Lawsuits. Again...money.

Comparing him to rappers or movies or whatever is ridiculous. That's like saying to your kid it's alright to talk like rappers because they do it. What shit. They said it was a "comedy" show? Seemed more like a political show with some comedy mixed in. You can't win me over by comparing Imus to the least common denominator...Rap music. Hardly a ringing endorsement. And oh yeah...Also lump him in with the two Revs. to justify what he said. Talk about least common denominators.

I've lost interest in the whole mess. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go watch what I say.

[Kevin]

That doesn't answer my question. Most people on the radio seem to get fired either because their ratings suck or because of stuff they say/do on the air...and on-air content usually leads to discipline or dismissal due to public reaction. So given those circumstances and the responses people have had here ("if you don't like it, turn it off," etc.), what would a radio personality have to do or say on the air that would make anyone here actually agree with them facing disciplinary actions from their employers due to public reaction?

Or, along the lines of what you said, what if the people spearheading the protests and anger weren't Sharpton or Jackson?

If its a credible person, who is not a fucking hypocrite, and has a track record of going after his side for the same shit, then he would have a point on why he or she is outraged.. I don't think that person would have done this, because he would not be an insane, corrupt hypocite...

[HBox]

I've been thinking about this. This obviously touched a nerve and I honestly don't get why people are SO outraged about this. I agree the comment was offensive but I simply cannot fathom this kind of outrage. But there have been so many people speaking out that this had to touch some kind of nerve. I realize there have been plenty of publicity whores out there just using this to get airtime but there still has to be something there.

So I had a thought. I think the reason this so touched a nerve with blacks is because a very old white male said it. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if an older lady said it or a younger guy but a white man old enough to be around before the civil rights movement using an old time slur on young, innocent targets is what caused such a backlash.

Am I off base here? Because I really want to figure this out.

[TheMojoPin]

I've been thinking about this. This obviously touched a nerve and I honestly don't get why people are SO outraged about this. I agree the comment was offensive but I simply cannot fathom this kind of outrage. But there have been so many people speaking out that this had to touch some kind of nerve. I realize there have been plenty of publicity whores out there just using this to get airtime but there still has to be something there.

So I had a thought. I think the reason this so touched a nerve with blacks is because a very old white male said it. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if an older lady said it or a younger guy but a white man old enough to be around before the civil rights movement using an old time slur on young, innocent targets is what caused such a backlash.

Am I off base here? Because I really want to figure this out.

Interesting theory.

[Kevin]

I've been thinking about this. This obviously touched a nerve and I honestly don't get why people are SO outraged about this. I agree the comment was offensive but I simply cannot fathom this kind of outrage. But there have been so many people speaking out that this had to touch some kind of nerve. I realize there have been plenty of publicity whores out there just using this to get airtime but there still has to be something there.

So I had a thought. I think the reason this so touched a nerve with blacks is because a very old white male said it. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if an older lady said it or a younger guy but a white man old enough to be around before the civil rights movement using an old time slur on young, innocent targets is what caused such a backlash.

Am I off base here? Because I really want to figure this out.

Granny would be chucked out the same way.

[Fat_Sunny]

So I had a thought. I think the reason this so touched a nerve with blacks is because a very old white male said it. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if an older lady said it or a younger guy but a white man old enough to be around before the civil rights movement using an old time slur on young, innocent targets is what caused such a backlash.

Am I off base here? Because I really want to figure this out.

Well, The Old Robert Byrd Called Himself A "White Nigger" And Was Let Off The Hook By The Left With The "He's Just An Old Man" Excuse. There Were No "Young Innocents" Involved There, But Usually Old Guys Are Given Some Slack, Especially When They Are Sympathetic With The Left, Like Imus Was.

[Gvac]

Ha! I just came across an old comedy album by Imus. It was released in 1974 -

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/bang407.jpg

[HBox]

Well, The Old Robert Byrd Called Himself A "White Nigger" And Was Let Off The Hook By The Left With The "He's Just An Old Man" Excuse. There Were No "Young Innocents" Involved There, But Usually Old Guys Are Given Some Slack, Especially When They Are Sympathetic With The Left, Like Imus Was.

I think another difference there is that Byrd was trying to endear himself to black people, not attack. And, of course, him being a Democrat and being seen on "their" side gave him the benefit of the doubt a lot of people would not receive.

[Bulldogcakes]

Random question to anyone out there...what would the circumstances have to be for you to approve of or at least not be "outraged" over a radio personality being suspended or fired for their on-air comments/behavior?

His/Her ratings are too low. Other than that, you can always change the station. Or something criminal, like some of the threats mentioned above.

You should hear some of the vicious, anti white stuff said on the black stations in NYC. But I'm consistent on how I practice the principle of free speech, unlike you. I still support it even when its stuff I dont like.

[Bulldogcakes]

Finally... and I haven't seen ANYONE point this out, if you listen to the actual clip (linked below) listen to what he says *after* the comment that created the problem. Imus is comparing the Rutgers girls to the Tennessee girls. *Both* teams are black. He's essentially saying the girls on the Tennessee team are nicer looking than the girls on Rutgers. If you want insight into what he was thinking (which seems to be what everyone has tried to do) THERE IT IS IN HIS OWN WORDS. It was a comparison of the appearance of the girls on each team. Both teams are primarily black... therefore... how was this racial? It's no different than any group of guys comparing Girl A to Girl B. No it's not nice and yes Rutgers could still be offended. BUT... not for the racial reasons.
Yes, I know. Imus adjectives were at the very least a bad use of words. For that, and THAT ONLY, he should have apologized. Instead he gave away his defense on Monday by accepting his critics interpretation of what happened rather than standing his ground and defending himself.
HE HAS A SOLID DEFENSE and no one is using it and I can't begin to tell you how totally frustrated that has made me. I've been screaming at the radio all week. Imus knows the media as well as anyone. How could he let this happen to himself? In fact, I have so much faith in Imus' instincts that I don't think he did. This had to come from above. Someone thought he should apologize profusely for every single thing he was being accused of. Shame on whoever came up with CBS Radio's strategy. The punishment does not fit that crime.

That just needed to be repeated

[TheMojoPin]

His/Her ratings are too low. Other than that, you can always change the station. Or something criminal, like some of the threats mentioned above.

You should hear some of the vicious, anti white stuff said on the black stations in NYC. But I'm consistent on how I practice the principle of free speech, unlike you. I still support it even when its stuff I dont like.

Except that the means for private citizens to legally and civilly confront media outlets that they disagree with or think are harmful have existed in this country since it was founded...but apparently expressing your anger isn't the much vaunted, non-1st Ammendment "free speech" you're trying to sound so high and mighty about. You're basically saying some people can say whatever they want if they have a microphone, but others have to just shut the fuck up and take it. Sorry, that's not things work here, and they never have. Ever. This isn't something new, so let's stop acting like it's the end of the world. If something on the air strikes you as being "vile" or truly hateful or even dangerous, why just sit back and let it out there? If it bothers you THAT much, do something about it. As long as the government is trying to regulate what's being said, the people are free to speak up and decide what they will and won't accept. THAT'S "freedom of speech," not playing helpless and hoastage to a bunch of assholes with microphones. Why is their "speech" apparently so much more precious than the public's?

And as for my original question, you own your own business, right? Well, let's say you had an employee that because of what he said, a good chunk of your customers were telling you they were never shopping there again and taking off. Ultimately, you'd have to discipline and maybe even fire that employee, right? But if we take that employee, make him a radio host, make you a corporation, and make the customers advertisers, suddenly it's something horrible that's destroying our freedoms? Pretty much everyone is expected in their jobs to not act like assholes to the point that it's driving away business. Why is radio an exception?

[A.J.]

Now the Arabs chime in: "Where was the anger when Imus insulted the Arabs, Muslims?" (http://www.arabnews.com/services/print/print.asp?artid=94974&d=14&m=4&y=2007&hl=Where%20Was%20the%20Anger%20When%20Imus%20Insul ted%20Arabs,%20Muslims?)

[pennington]

Now the Arabs chime in: "Where was the anger when Imus insulted the Arabs, Muslims?" (http://www.arabnews.com/services/print/print.asp?artid=94974&d=14&m=4&y=2007&hl=Where%20Was%20the%20Anger%20When%20Imus%20Insul ted%20Arabs,%20Muslims?)

It never ends, everyone is a victim.

[Jujubees2]

I don't know about you, but I'm never buying another Stevie Wonder album. Do you know how he starts off "I Wish"?

Looking back on when i
Was a little nappy headed boy
Then my only worry
Was for christmas what would be my toy
Even though we sometimes
Would not get a thing
We were happy with the
Joy the day would bring

Damn racist.

[reillyluck]

does this mean i cant listen to the Nappy Roots anymore?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U5jybNySBmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-4UyqJg0lQ

[Bulldogcakes]

Except that the means for private citizens to legally and civilly confront media outlets that they disagree with or think are harmful have existed in this country since it was founded...but apparently expressing your anger isn't the much vaunted, non-1st Ammendment "free speech" you're trying to sound so high and mighty about. You're basically saying some people can say whatever they want if they have a microphone, but others have to just shut the fuck up and take it. Sorry, that's not things work here, and they never have. Ever. This isn't something new, so let's stop acting like it's the end of the world. If something on the air strikes you as being "vile" or truly hateful or even dangerous, why just sit back and let it out there? If it bothers you THAT much, do something about it. As long as the government is trying to regulate what's being said, the people are free to speak up and decide what they will and won't accept. THAT'S "freedom of speech," not playing helpless and hoastage to a bunch of assholes with microphones. Why is their "speech" apparently so much more precious than the public's?

And as for my original question, you own your own business, right? Well, let's say you had an employee that because of what he said, a good chunk of your customers were telling you they were never shopping there again and taking off. Ultimately, you'd have to discipline and maybe even fire that employee, right? But if we take that employee, make him a radio host, make you a corporation, and make the customers advertisers, suddenly it's something horrible that's destroying our freedoms? Pretty much everyone is expected in their jobs to not act like assholes to the point that it's driving away business. Why is radio an exception?

Well, it may surprise you that I agree with just about every word you said. I'm just calling these folks a bunch of busybody, uptight, hypocrites for making such a big deal out of it. Take the cork out of your ass people, its a fucking comedy show. Stick to politics, you guys know nothing about comedy.

And CBS are cowards and fools for bucking under to the pressure, for alot of reasons.

1) I think the big advertisers would have come back once this blew over, especially after the Rutgers girls ACCEPTED his apology. Now the afternoon show (Mike+Maddog) have said that the station LOST MORE local advertisers who were pissed off at CBS for firing him and how it was handled, and have said they'll never return. Bad business decision.

2) The show that replaces him will be lucky to get 1/4 of his ratings. You dont build an audience (like Imus with a 40 year career had) overnight. Again, bad business decision.

3) Ever heard the old saying "No such thing as bad publicity"? This could have made Imus ratings go through the roof with all the national attention being paid to him over this. Bad business yet again.

4) You could have done alot more good by keeping him there and having this national debate about race, and had him do more with his (now more popular) show in this regard. He could have done shows on race which would educate his audience and draw national attention. Now that opportunity is gone, but I've never thought Sharpton and Jackson actually want to do anything but make themselves more powerful. Solving things hurts them, they're both race baiters.

5) You're a Commie and you stink. Oh wait, that has nothing to do with this. Just thinking out loud there.

6) Both MSNBC and CBS fired him in the middle of Imus' radiothon that was raising money for kids with Cancer, SIDS (unexplained infant mortality), and Tommorrows Childrens fund. Could they have waited 12 hours to let him raise $ for charity before they fired him? Even the other hosts on the station called that move "indefensible" and thats their own boss they're talking about. If they were trying to make themselves look good by firing him, they blew it.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, it may surprise you that I agree with just about every word you said. I'm just calling these folks a bunch of busybody, uptight, hypocrites for making such a big deal out of it. Take the cork out of your ass people, its a fucking comedy show. Stick to politics, you guys know nothing about comedy.

And CBS are cowards and fools for bucking under to the pressure, for alot of reasons.

1) I think the big advertisers would have come back once this blew over, especially after the Rutgers girls ACCEPTED his apology. Now the afternoon show (Mike+Maddog) have said that the station LOST MORE local advertisers who were pissed off at CBS for firing him and how it was handled, and have said they'll never return. Bad business decision.

2) The show that replaces him will be lucky to get 1/4 of his ratings. You dont build an audience (like Imus with a 40 year career had) overnight. Again, bad business decision.

3) Ever heard the old saying "No such thing as bad publicity"? This could have made Imus ratings go through the roof with all the national attention being paid to him over this. Bad business yet again.

4) You could have done alot more good by keeping him there and having this national debate about race, and had him do more with his (now more popular) show in this regard. He could have done shows on race which would educate his audience and draw national attention. Now that opportunity is gone, but I've never thought Sharpton and Jackson actually want to do anything but make themselves more powerful. Solving things hurts them, they're both race baiters.

5) You're a Commie and you stink. Oh wait, that has nothing to do with this. Just thinking out loud there.

6) Both MSNBC and CBS fired him in the middle of Imus' radiothon that was raising money for kids with Cancer, SIDS (unexplained infant mortality), and Tommorrows Childrens fund. Could they have waited 12 hours to let him raise $ for charity before they fired him? Even the other hosts on the station called that move "indefensible" and thats their own boss they're talking about. If they were trying to make themselves look good by firing him, they blew it.

I don't disagree with anything you said.

[Bulldogcakes]

So I had a thought. I think the reason this so touched a nerve with blacks is because a very old white male said it. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad if an older lady said it or a younger guy but a white man old enough to be around before the civil rights movement using an old time slur on young, innocent targets is what caused such a backlash.

Am I off base here? Because I really want to figure this out.

Thats why people supporting Imus kept bringing up the rappers. Its not about changing the subject, its pointing out the huge double standard here. A black guy says the same thing and nobody blinks. An old white guy says it and its WW3. Not fair. I think Imus was trying to be "hip" when he said it, not racist. "Nappy headed ho" has been used in so many rap songs and movies its a pop culture phrase at this point. But an old white guy says it and he gets slaughtered. These double standards were one thing when black people were a powerless minority. But we now have MANY blacks in some of the highest areas of politics and business, its enough already. It's time to hold EVERYONE to THE SAME standard.

And Obama, Condeleeza Rice, Sharpton, Jackson ALL called for Imus to be FIRED. They have all also criticized Rap artists for using the same words, but have ANY of them EVER called for a single rap artist to be FIRED from his label? Not that I've ever seen. Why when a white guy says this, it's "FIRE HIM, NOW!", but when a black guy does its "a problem we need to work on in our community". Why the double standard there too?

[PapaBear]

"They're 18- and 19-year-old women," she said. "And what were they doing except showing that they're really fine athletes, playing under extraordinary pressure in which for them was a dream season.
"And it gets ruined by this disgusting -- and I'll use the word 'disgusting' -- comment which doesn't belong in any polite company and certainly doesn't belong on any radio station that I would listen to," Rice told talk show host Michael Medved.


So... Though the team made great accomplishments on the court, but those accomplishments are now ruined? Does this mean they didn't really play in the finals?

She also said...

Asked how she handled racist, sexist comments directed her way, Rice laughed and replied: "I'm a big girl. I can take care of myself. And I really don't care because, you know, I'm a mature woman."


So... she's a big girl and the basketball team members aren't? I think she just called them little babies! She should be fired.

[jrod]

Sharpton and his protesters are only gonna insight the hayseeds who are just looking to promote white power. This will only give them a legitimate reason to society to hate again. This is only the beginning for censorship as well. Not only will other radio hosts be victimized, you will see satellite radio infiltrated as well. even if you hate Imus, you cannot deny that this is just the beginning and they will not stop here and no one is safe.

[FezPaul]

Sharpton and his protesters are only gonna insight the hayseeds who are just looking to promote white power. This will only give them a legitimate reason to society to hate again. This is only the beginning for censorship as well. Not only will other radio hosts be victimized, you will see satellite radio infiltrated as well. even if you hate Imus, you cannot deny that this is just the beginning and they will not stop here and no one is safe.

Incite

Welcome to the board.

[Bulldogcakes]

Incite

Welcome to the board.

I think he means that "Hayseeds" are really deep thinkers.

[Fat_Sunny]

Sharpton and his protesters are only gonna insight the hayseeds who are just looking to promote white power. This will only give them a legitimate reason to society to hate again. This is only the beginning for censorship as well. Not only will other radio hosts be victimized, you will see satellite radio infiltrated as well. even if you hate Imus, you cannot deny that this is just the beginning and they will not stop here and no one is safe.

Well, Jrod, Fat's Not Sure This Will Start A New Wave Of "White Power", And He Sure Hopes It Doesn't. Sharpton Does Not Represent Everybody.

Fat IS Very Concerned, Though, About Sharpton's Talk About What Can Be Said On The "Public Airways". Even More Concerning Is The Coming Democrat Push On What's Known As The "Fairness Docrtine".

Extremism In The Pursuit Of Liberty Is No Vice! (Barry Goldwater, 1964)

[Bulldogcakes]

I don't disagree with anything you said.

Really? Even the part where I said "You stink"?

[TheMojoPin]

Really? Even the part where I said "You stink"?

I didn't shower today after going for a run, and I'm pretty rank right now, so spot on, my good man.

[epo]

Fat IS Very Concerned, Though, About Sharpton's Talk About What Can Be Said On The "Public Airways". Even More Concerning Is The Coming Democratic Push On What's Known As The "Fairness Docrtine".

Extremism In The Pursuit Of Liberty Is No Vice! (Barry Goldwater, 1964)

EPO fixed it for you Fat Sunny.

[Bulldogcakes]

In an e-mail to NEWSWEEK, Imus said, "I could go to work tomorrow. Bigger deal. More money. TV simulcast ... I've got a summer of kids to cowboy with and then we'll see." He knows what he said was wrong, and that there is much to do. Asked whether his recovery from addiction had given him the strength to cope with the current crisis, he sounded like, well, Imus: "I'm a good and decent person who made a mistake in the context of comedy," he wrote in the e-mail. "My strength comes from not being full of shit and a coward."

We'll see what happens next fall. But this will all be a distant memory by then.

BTW-Nice job by Tim Russert on Meet The Press this morning. Everybody had their say, and it was constructive dialog. Wish we could have had more of it elsewhere.

[A.J.]

It never ends, everyone is a victim.

Welcome to modern America.

[Fat_Sunny]

EPO fixed it for you Fat Sunny.

No, Epo Ruined It.

Fat Does Not Use "Democrat" To Annoy The Lefties, It Is Just To Make It Clear He Refers To The Party Of The Democrats. The Term "Democratic" Suggests The Main Definition Of Democratic, Which Would Be Something Like "Will Of The People".

Using "Democrat" Makes It Clear That The Reference Is To The Democrat Party, As Opposed To The Democratic Process.

Trying To Be Precise Does Not Make Fat A Shill Of Fox News!

[jrod]

Thanks guys on the mis spell. I should know better. Well, like Dave, I'm from Jersey. So maybe I had one of his brain farts. Oh yeah I just remembered...Lenay D gave me the spelling.

[epo]

No, Epo Ruined It.

Fat Does Not Use "Democrat" To Annoy The Lefties, It Is Just To Make It Clear He Refers To The Party Of The Democrats. The Term "Democratic" Suggests The Main Definition Of Democratic, Which Would Be Something Like "Will Of The People".

Using "Democrat" Makes It Clear That The Reference Is To The Democrat Party, As Opposed To The Democratic Process.

Trying To Be Precise Does Not Make Fat A Shill Of Fox News!

Fat Sunny can justify however he wants, but the usage error was thrown in the mainstream as a rhetorical means to insult the Democratic Party. Any excuse you may use is seen as cheap and artifical.

It's childish and we should all be above such tactics.

[Don Stugots]

Thanks guys on the mis spell. I should know better. Well, like Dave, I'm from Jersey. So maybe I had one of his brain farts. Oh yeah I just remembered...Lenay D gave me the spelling.

please do not blame a child for your typos and misspellings.

[Fat_Sunny]

Fat Sunny can justify however he wants, but the usage error was thrown in the mainstream as a rhetorical means to insult the Democratic Party. Any excuse you may use is seen as cheap and artifical.

It's childish and we should all be above such tactics.

Fat's Excuse Was Not An Excuse, It Was An Explanation. You're The Childish One.

Shouldn't You Be Out Saran-Wrapping Roads?

[sailor]

Fat Sunny can justify however he wants, but the usage error was thrown in the mainstream as a rhetorical means to insult the Democratic Party. Any excuse you may use is seen as cheap and artifical.

It's childish and we should all be above such tactics.

seeing democrat as an insulting form of democratic is a bit silly. it's a legitimate variant of the name. for instance, who are the people in opposition to the republicans? the democrats. not the democratics. and the democrats is simply the plural of a democrat.

btw, great post to get all worked up over this type of minutiae.

[JimBeam]

Bulldog what did Russert have to say about it ?
I know he was one of the people Imus was pissed at because he didnt come on the show and stand on any side.
Kinda lame for a guy that was on the show pushing his books all the time.

[epo]

Fat's Excuse Was Not An Excuse, It Was An Explanation. You're The Childish One.

Shouldn't You Be Out Saran-Wrapping Roads?

Shouldn't you be out burning tires? I'm going to go eat an aborted baby fetus now.

I can't wait for the Republic Party to lose more seats in the 2008 election.

See how stupid this is? I stand by my previous statement.

[Fat_Sunny]

Shouldn't you be out burning tires? I'm going to go eat an aborted baby fetus now.

I can't wait for the Republic Party to lose more seats in the 2008 election.

See how stupid this is? I stand by my previous statement.

Fat Don't Need To See Your Stuff To Know It's Gonna Be Stupid!

[sailor]

Shouldn't you be out burning tires? I'm going to go eat an aborted baby fetus now.

I can't wait for the Republic Party to lose more seats in the 2008 election.

See how stupid this is? I stand by my previous statement.

ok, here's a post from the dnc's website (http://www.dnc.org/a/2007/02/democratic_pres.php). check out the usage in the 2nd sentence.

[epo]

ok, here's a post from the dnc's website (http://www.dnc.org/a/2007/02/democratic_pres.php). check out the usage in the 2nd sentence.

They refer to democrats and that is correct usage. However they are the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party as Fat Sunny and I have griped about before.

[sailor]

They refer to democrats and that is correct usage. However they are the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party as Fat Sunny and I have griped about before.


um, no that's not what is there. "DNC Chairman Howard Dean was joined by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and every Democrat running or considering a run for President at the DNC's Winter Meeting in Washington."

edit: if he says democrat party, that's just silly, but you're silly as well to let that bother you. it is not, however, what he posted in this thread.

[Fat_Sunny]

They refer to democrats and that is correct usage. However they are the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party as Fat Sunny and I have griped about before.

Huh? F_S Never Griped About This. You Must Mean HBox Or High Fly Or Yer Daddy Or Mojo Or One Of Those People.

The Point Sailor Made Is That You Took A Post With An Important Point In It And Chose To Pick Out A Piece Of Minutae, As Opposed To Taking On The Main Point. It Is Like A Two-Headed Woman Walking Into The Room And You Say: "Hey Look, That Lady Has Red Shoes!"

Bottom Line, Republican Is The Adjective Form Of Republic, Just As Democratic Is The Adjective Form Of Democrat.

If You Think It Is Demeaning To Fat To Say "The Republic Push To....", He Will Say "That's The Best You Got? Then Insult Away!"

[epo]

btw, great post to get all worked up over this type of minutiae.

Language matters. I'm a 34 yr old Democrat who is sick of the last 10 years of rhetorical bullshit by the Republican Party. It gets me worked up.

Now imagine if you were a black person in America. Your entire race has been shit on for the 250 years+ in this nation. Your entire life you've heard language directed at you which is purposefully meant to demean your status in the world. For many people rhetorical bullshit gets them worked up too.

Language matters. Even Don Imus knows this, that's why he's not fighting as he fucked up big time.

[sailor]

Language matters. I'm a 34 yr old Democrat who is sick of the last 10 years of rhetorical bullshit by the Republican Party. It gets me worked up.

Now imagine if you were a black person in America. Your entire race has been shit on for the 250 years+ in this nation. Your entire life you've heard language directed at you which is purposefully meant to demean your status in the world. For many people rhetorical bullshit gets them worked up too.

Language matters. Even Don Imus knows this, that's why he's not fighting as he fucked up big time.
now we're back on the right topic. i think imus didn't fight because he thought that was how to save his gig. if he gets another gig, or just a place to express himself (can't wait for him to appear on o&a) i think he will fire back big time.

and rhetoric and word games work both ways in politics. one simple example is every dem poster who writes bu$h. oooh, so clever (even if it's stolen from the pro-mac tools).

[led37zep]

Here's the TWAT that alerted the media about the "hoes" comment.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/6370
Here is the article where is he listed as the guy who found the clip.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18110453/site/newsweek/
He's listed on Page Two of the article.

[lleeder]

Once I read "He's like the coolest bully on the playground" I decided this article is not worth reading anymore.

[led37zep]

Here I cut and pasted part of it for you. Rest up for your daily call my young lleeder

In fact, unknown to Imus, one of his most loyal listeners in Washington, D.C., was watching, and taping, the show every day for just that reason: to make a record of everything Imus said. But 26-year-old Ryan Chiachiere wasn't a fan, and he wasn't tuning in to be entertained. Chiachiere is one of a handful of young activists who spend their days wading through hours of radio and cable shows for Media Matters for America, a liberal group whose sole purpose is rooting out and "correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."Wired on coffee, Chiachiere was watching a recording of Imus's show when he noticed the "hos" remark.

[lleeder]

What a faggoty cunt face!!! People listen to things just to fuck people over. Norton was right. We are turning into a bunch of tattletails.

[Bulldogcakes]

COWARDS KICK AWAY ANOTHER PIECE OF AMERICA'S SOUL (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007/news/columnists/cowards_kick_away_another_piece_of_americas_soul_c olumnists_kinky_friedman.htm)


There's no excusing Imus' recent ridiculous remark, but there's something not kosher in America when one guy gets a Grammy and one gets fired for the same line.

Political correctness, a term first used by Joseph Stalin, has trivialized, sanitized and homogenized America, transforming us into a nation of chain establishments and chain people.

Take heart, Imus. You're merely joining a long and legendary laundry list of individuals who were summarily sacrificed in the name of society's sanctimonious soul: Socrates, Jesus, Galileo, Joan of Arc, Mozart and Mark Twain, who was decried as a racist until the day he died for using the N-word rather prolifically in "Huckleberry Finn."

[HBox]

The NY Post is in favor of Imus?

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/corzine-nypost.jpg

I can't imagine why.

[johnniewalker]

COWARDS KICK AWAY ANOTHER PIECE OF AMERICA'S SOUL (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007/news/columnists/cowards_kick_away_another_piece_of_americas_soul_c olumnists_kinky_friedman.htm)

That was one, good luck trying to find another. I gave up hours ago.

[epo]

If Imus is trying to save any shred of integrity, having Kinky Friedman defend him about racist comments probably isn't the best way I can think of.

Now, the two old friends, will be linked at the hip (fairly or not) as two old racists living out their elder years in the Southwest.

God damn has Imus mismanaged this entire situation from the start. All of it misteps.

[SatCam]

Take heart, Imus. You're merely joining a long and legendary laundry list of individuals who were summarily sacrificed in the name of society's sanctimonious soul: Socrates, Jesus, Galileo, Joan of Arc, Mozart and Mark Twain, who was decried as a racist until the day he died for using the N-word rather prolifically in "Huckleberry Finn."

Was Imus just put in the same paragraph as Socrates, Jesus and Mark Twain?

[TheMojoPin]

Was Imus just put in the same paragraph as Socrates, Jesus and Mark Twain?

That paragraph might be the greatest goddamn thing ever written.

[johnniewalker]

Was Imus just put in the same paragraph as Socrates, Jesus and Mark Twain?

Forget it, he's rolling.

[led37zep]

COWARDS KICK AWAY ANOTHER PIECE OF AMERICA'S SOUL (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007/news/columnists/cowards_kick_away_another_piece_of_americas_soul_c olumnists_kinky_friedman.htm)

I fucking love articles like this. Good find!

[TheMojoPin]

Folks, everything is OK. Racial detente has been achieved in this, our most trying moment of national crisis:

http://64.111.216.18/ul/2152-ann.JPG

[Dougie Brootal]

I don't disagree with anything you said.

first time ive ever seen that.:tongue:

[A.J.]

Folks, everything is OK. Racial detente has been achieved in this, our most trying moment of national crisis:

http://64.111.216.18/ul/2152-ann.JPG

Hopefully this will be the beginning of...Good Times.

A ge ge ge.

[Furtherman]

COWARDS KICK AWAY ANOTHER PIECE OF AMERICA'S SOUL (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007/news/columnists/cowards_kick_away_another_piece_of_americas_soul_c olumnists_kinky_friedman.htm)


Goddamn Kinky. If I lived in Texas, you'd have my vote. Brilliant.

[Furtherman]

By the way, did anyone see 60 Minutes last night? They interviewed Imus 10 years ago and replayed that interview.

He was truly a clueless old white man that was out of touch with society and came off as a guy who threw the N word around like candy when he was off mic.

That being said, I still think his firing was bullshit.

[Recyclerz]

Pravda says Imus was fired before he revealed the 9/11 back story

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0/

Read on Comrades!

[sailor]

Pravda says Imus was fired before he revealed the 9/11 back story

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0/

Read on Comrades!

i figured it was something like that.

[TheMojoPin]

In a perfect world, I picture Al, Imus and Jesse all laughing it up together and shining their monocles on Imus' ranch, their diabolical plan to get all three more attention than they've had in years having worked brilliantly.

[Gvac]

I was just about to link to Kinky Friedman's piece, but I see Bulldogcakes beat me to it.

What an awesome editorial.

[Don Stugots]

Political correctness, a term first used by Joseph Stalin, has trivialized, sanitized and homogenized America, transforming us into a nation of chain establishments and chain people.



i have been saying this for months now.

[lleeder]

Pravda says Imus was fired before he revealed the 9/11 back story

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0/

Read on Comrades!

I heard he was gonna reveal the Black Dahlia back story

[epo]

Political correctness is a long used term. It was even cited in the 1793 case Chisholm vs. Georgia, argued before the Supreme Court.

The phrase in that case was "not politically correct". Link to case ruling (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=2&page=419).

I only point this out because I hate the act of twisting the trust to serve their own needs.

[TheMojoPin]

Political correctness is a long used term. It was even cited in the 1793 case Chisholm vs. Georgia, argued before the Supreme Court.

The phrase in that case was "not politically correct". Link to case ruling (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=2&page=419).

I only point this out because I hate the act of twisting the trust to serve their own needs.

Exactly. PC has been turned into this blanket term that often ends up contradicting itself. There are definitely times where it's appropriate, and I feel this is definitely one of them, but too often it's tossed out lazily whenever someone disagrees with other people getting pissed off over something. Just because "you" think something is fine doesn't automatically make someone disagreeing with it "PC." There's also the flipside to PC in people who seemingly want to let pretty much anything slide in the ginormous public sector under the vague banner of "free speech" without wanting to realize that that term as we associate it with this country isn't necessarily always applicable.

[HBox]

Is it the new thing to reference Stalin instead of Hitler to avoid Godwin's Law?

[TheMojoPin]

Is it the new thing to reference Stalin instead of Hitler to avoid Godwin's Law?

Actually, Bin Laden and "terrorists" replaced Hitler and the Nazis for a while...I guess Stalin and the Soviets are the new chic.

[Fallon]

Jimmy and Opie were supporting him at the Virus Tour with shirts.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/ronfeznet/vegas/Vegas030.jpg

[Don Stugots]

Jimmy and Opie were supporting him at the Virus Tour with shirts.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/ronfeznet/vegas/Vegas030.jpg

show off.

[johnniewalker]

Hate to drudge up this thread, but kinda funny story...
Rutgers team skis Clinton meeting... (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushill0421,0,3464673,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines)

[Kevin]

Hate to drudge up this thread, but kinda funny story...
Rutgers team skis Clinton meeting... (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushill0421,0,3464673,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines)

Good, what the fuck does this cankled whore have to do with the Story.. God, I hate these people.

[Recyclerz]

In a move that surprises no one, (and as the O&A crew predicted), CBS (60 Minutes) starts going after rap with a tut-tut piece on the "stop snitching" ethos. I'm sue "Rev." Jackson and Sharpton will be grabbing the baton of responsibility first thing tomorrow AM.

It was very informative to me as a middle-age white male. Who knew that 50 cent was a punk ass stoolie? :wink:

[badmonkey]

I'm sue "Rev." Jackson and Sharpton will be grabbing the baton of responsibility first thing tomorrow AM.

Quicker than that (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/04/22/al_sharpton_wars_against_indecency/)

[HBox]

Obama was one of the candidates I was seriously considering, until I saw this

Obama Calls for Imus' Firing (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/04/12/ap3604860.html)



All of his talk about being a "Uniter" and wanting to represent "all Americans". I dont believe a word of it anymore. He's not on the side of having a national debate on race, one which we were having in the past few days. He's for "the professional death penalty" for Imus. He's on the Sharpton/Jesse Jackson side of "off with his head", which ends this debate and solves NOTHING. He's selling you "unity" but when it comes right down to it, he's with the activists who make their living off race baiting. David Dinkins sold us a "Rainbow Coalition" too, and he was one of the most divisive and incompetent mayors in NYC history. I believe its because he saw the city through the prism of race, which led him to make bad decisions.

I remember that you have said in the past you support Newt Gingrich. Well I found this today: (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/22/newt-gingrich-blames-liberalism-on-va-tech-massacre/#more-16540)

STEPHANOPOULOS: How about the broader context? After Columbine, you gave a speech where you blamed 35 — blamed the shootings on 35 years of liberalism. (transcript via ABC below the fold)
You went — you said, "I want to say to the elite of this country, the elite news media, the liberal academic elite, the liberal political elite — I accuse you in Littleton of being afraid to talk about the mess you've made and being afraid to take responsibility for the things you have done, and instead foisting on the rest of us pathetic banalities because you don't have the courage to look at the world you have created."
Do you stand by that prescription today?



GINGRICH: Yes, I think the fact is, if you look at the amount of violence we have in games that young people play at 7, 8, 10, 12, 15 years of age, if you look at the dehumanization, if you look at the fact that we refuse to say that we are, in fact, endowed by our creator, that our rights come from God, that if you kill somebody, you're committing an act of evil.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But what does that have to do with liberalism?

GINGRICH: Well, who has created a situation ethics, essentially, zone of not being willing to talk about any of these things. Let me carry another example. I strongly supported Imus being dismissed, but I also think the very thing he was dismissed for, which is the use of language which is stunningly degrading of women — the fact, for example, that one of the Halloween costumes this last year was being able to be either a prostitute or a pimp at 10, 11, 12 years of age, buying a costume, and we don't have any discussion about what's happened to our culture because while we're restricting political free speech under McCain-Feingold, we say it's impossible to restrict vulgar and vicious and anti-human speech.

And I would argue that that's a major component of what's happened to our culture in the last 40 years.Let's just forget the tons of other nonsense in what he said. Do you hold him to the same standard? I mean, he went way farther than Obama did. Obama said he personally thought Imus should be fired. That was the extent. Here Gingrich is bemoaning the fact that the government cannot restrict that kind of speech. That's MUCH worse.

[Snacks]

I remember that you have said in the past you support Newt Gingrich. Well I found this today: (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/22/newt-gingrich-blames-liberalism-on-va-tech-massacre/#more-16540)

Let's just forget the tons of other nonsense in what he said. Do you hold him to the same standard? I mean, he went way farther than Obama did. Obama said he personally thought Imus should be fired. That was the extent. Here Gingrich is bemoaning the fact that the government cannot restrict that kind of speech. That's MUCH worse.


Newt is a fake moral asshole. He talks about morals but has been married 3 times. He actually left his wife while she had cancer for another women, hes a great guy!!! (Dont get me wrong I have no problem with anyone getting a divorce, I just hate when these types of assholes preach to us about morals and follow god etc and they do the opposite)

He talk about "liberalism not allowing god in our schools" and that allowing kids to play video games which are about killing people is bad and doesnt teach kids that its evil to kill. God, video games etc has nothing to do with it. Majority of people know that killing a bad guy in a cartoon video game is only a vodeo game. Did newt thing the road runner really killed the coyote back when he was a kid watching cartoons?

Didnt mr morals who wants god in our classroom read the bible he so wants us all to follow himself? Divorce is a sin, murder is a sin (he had no problem with the death penalty of Sadaam) He has been caught in lies and his ethics are shit. I dont need to listen to an asshole like Newt to tell me about morals and whats evil.

Once again a consevative/republican with the do as I say not as I do. Listen dont ask questions, just be a zombie. I hate it!

[Yerdaddy]

Troops in Diyala Face A Skilled, Flexible Foe (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/21/AR2007042101467_pf.html)
Sophisticated Insurgent Tactics Raise U.S. Death Toll in Northeast Province
By Joshua Partlow
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, April 22, 2007; A01

The soldiers fighting in Diyala have faced insurgents who communicate with radios and sometimes watch the Americans with night-vision goggles. Marksmen bore holes in the parapets of rooftops, stand back a few feet and fire through the openings to disguise the muzzle blast. Some shoot with tracer rounds to guide their bullets. When Americans come under attack, they often find themselves taking fire from several directions.

"I've been all over this country," Hanner said. "This is by far the worst place I've ever been in my life. This is what you think war is going to be."

[sailor]

Good, what the fuck does this cankled whore have to do with the Story.. God, I hate these people.

she's a senator from the next state over. duh.

[Don Stugots]

Troops in Diyala Face A Skilled, Flexible Foe (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/21/AR2007042101467_pf.html)
Sophisticated Insurgent Tactics Raise U.S. Death Toll in Northeast Province
By Joshua Partlow
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, April 22, 2007; A01

amazing to me. "I've been all over this country," Hanner said. "This is by far the worst place I've ever been in my life. This is what you think war is going to be."

and yet, we Sen. Clinton takes questions about american idol as a serious question.

Also, in regards to her trying to go to Rutger's and meet with the team: nice photo op that you missed, PHACE. Next time, try wearing a Yankee hat on TV. Dick.

[Yerdaddy]

Is it the new thing to reference Stalin instead of Hitler to avoid Godwin's Law?

Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law) (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1]

That's awesome! If it weren't for FUNKMAN's drive-by puns I'd probably spend all my time on Wikipedia instead of here.

[pennington]

Hate to drudge up this thread, but kinda funny story...
Rutgers team skis Clinton meeting... (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushill0421,0,3464673,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines)

This story proves what a lot of people were saying, these girls weren't harmed, they got over it and have moved on. I have a lot of respect for them that they didn't contribute to this dog and pony show.

However the coach, C. Vivian Stringer, is now writing her autobiography. So expect her to make the talk show rounds in the near future to re-live this tragedy over and over again.

[RicShaw]

Next time she should get a faster driver.

[HBox]

This story proves what a lot of people were saying, these girls weren't harmed, they got over it and have moved on. I have a lot of respect for them that they didn't contribute to this dog and pony show.

However the coach, C. Vivian Stringer, is now writing her autobiography. So expect her to make the talk show rounds in the near future to re-live this tragedy over and over again.

In all fairness she probably would have been doing that anyway. She's one of the winningest coaches in the history of woman's basketball.

[johnniewalker]

In all fairness she probably would have been doing that anyway. She's one of the winningest coaches in the history of woman's basketball.

Yeah but it probably made her a little bit more money now.

[HBox]

Yeah but it probably made her a little bit more money now.

Yeah, but it was more a 'Hey, this will help sell books' thing more than a 'Let's cash in and write a book about nothing' thing.

[johnniewalker]

This is not a first amendment issue, this is not a first amendment issue. Ha.

Imus won't go quietly
The talk show host has hired a top First Amendment lawyer, and an unusual clause in his contract could give him a $40 million payday, writes Fortune's Tim Arango.

Huh why I wonder would he need a first amendment lawyer?

"Imus has hired Martin Garbus, a New York-based attorney at the law firm Davis & Gilbert who is widely recognized as one of the country's most able First Amendment lawyers."

"But in Imus' case, his free speech rights are tempered by the fact that he said what he said on the public airwaves - which are subject to Federal Communications Commission regulations about what is appropriate content."

"Bernabei also said that any contract stipulations that allow for provocative content on Imus' show are probably balanced by "something in the contract about appropriate content."

She said, "I'm sure CBS has something about conduct - that he can't use profanity and has to abide by FCC regulations."

So under this argument, the case could turn on whether Imus' comments - which referred to members of the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" - meets the definition of profanity under FCC guidelines. The FCC, on its Web site, defines profanity as "including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance.""


Imus Plans Lawsuit (http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/01/news/newsmakers/pluggedin_arango_imus.fortune/index.htm?)

[MadMatt]

But Imus didn't do anything that was against FCC regulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Midkiff]

Hello, exactly!

[TheMojoPin]

This is not a first amendment issue, this is not a first amendment issue. Ha.

Imus won't go quietly
The talk show host has hired a top First Amendment lawyer, and an unusual clause in his contract could give him a $40 million payday, writes Fortune's Tim Arango.

Huh why I wonder would he need a first amendment lawyer?

"Imus has hired Martin Garbus, a New York-based attorney at the law firm Davis & Gilbert who is widely recognized as one of the country's most able First Amendment lawyers."

"But in Imus' case, his free speech rights are tempered by the fact that he said what he said on the public airwaves - which are subject to Federal Communications Commission regulations about what is appropriate content."

"Bernabei also said that any contract stipulations that allow for provocative content on Imus' show are probably balanced by "something in the contract about appropriate content."

She said, "I'm sure CBS has something about conduct - that he can't use profanity and has to abide by FCC regulations."

So under this argument, the case could turn on whether Imus' comments - which referred to members of the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" - meets the definition of profanity under FCC guidelines. The FCC, on its Web site, defines profanity as "including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance.""


Imus Plans Lawsuit (http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/01/news/newsmakers/pluggedin_arango_imus.fortune/index.htm?)

Wow, talk about not facing reality.

[MadMatt]

She said, "I'm sure CBS has something about conduct - that he can't use profanity and has to abide by FCC regulations."

So under this argument, the case could turn on whether Imus' comments - which referred to members of the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" - meets the definition of profanity under FCC guidelines. The FCC, on its Web site, defines profanity as "including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance.""



I can't tell you how angry this comment makes me. Who would have considered "Nappy headed hos" profanity until REv. Al got pissed about it? It might not be particularly sensitive, but it wasn't profanity. If that is the case, Retard or Jew (said in the "wrong way") could be profanity.

Damn it! Imus better not loose this lawsuit...

[JPMNICK]

if he loses the lawsuit and they deem Nappy Headed Ho's as racially insenstive or whatever, black artists are in big trouble becauae a LOT of songs will have to be pulled. and if i were Imus, i would spend millions to make sure it happens.

the ironic outcome of all this might be that black artists go against jessie jackson and rev. Al and possibly side with people like Imus and O&A so they all have the ability to say what they want.

[TheMojoPin]

I can't tell you how angry this comment makes me. Who would have considered "Nappy headed hos" profanity until REv. Al got pissed about it? It might not be particularly sensitive, but it wasn't profanity. If that is the case, Retard or Jew (said in the "wrong way") could be profanity.

Damn it! Imus better not loose this lawsuit...

I don't see how he could possibly win since the FCC wasn't involved in the first place, and as far as I know his employers didn't try to invoke the FCC or their regulations.

[IMSlacker]

I can't tell you how angry this comment makes me. Who would have considered "Nappy headed hos" profanity until REv. Al got pissed about it? It might not be particularly sensitive, but it wasn't profanity. If that is the case, Retard or Jew (said in the "wrong way") could be profanity.

Damn it! Imus better not loose this lawsuit...

I'm sure CBS will settle before it ever gets to court.

[JPMNICK]

I am not a lawyer, but is there anyway Imus could turn around and file suit against rev. al or jessie jackson for defamation of charector?

[crb1]

I don't see how he could possibly win since the FCC wasn't involved in the first place, and as far as I know his employers didn't try to invoke the FCC or their regulations.

I don't see how he can lose (assuming I'm following the basis for the lawsuit correctly) Isn't the $40 million the remainder owed on his contract, since he had just re-signed for 5 years. They would have to pay him since he broke no FCC rules, and I can't imagine that what he said would be considered a conduct/content issue since I can't see him agreeing to any contract with language strict enough to make him watch himself on the air that closely.

This isn't really a 1st Amendment lawsuit. It's a contract dispute lawsuit. What he said is only relevant as it pertains to the FCC rules (which he clearly did not break) and the language of his contract (which I can't imagine is written in a way to make this situation a valid reason to void the deal).

If CBS does manage to void the deal, then he can go somewhere else and do radio. If they decide to pay him, they can make him sit on the sidelines, just like Infinity did to O&A.

[MadMatt]

I don't see how he could possibly win since the FCC wasn't involved in the first place, and as far as I know his employers didn't try to invoke the FCC or their regulations.

I think you misunderstood. They are planning to say that what Imus said was profanity as based on the FCC guideline that profanity "includes language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance." [para]

The clause in his contract was supposed to protect him/his job for saying "outrageous things" but does not apply if he violated FCC regs. What they are asserting is that what Imus says fits into the FCC guidelines regarding profanity (based on the statement above) so Imus was not protected by the clause in his contract.

It is F-ing ridiculous. If Imus looses, virtually anything could be considered profanity as long as some group claims to be hurt by it.

CRB1 - if CBS uses the above arguement, it certainly DOES become a First Amendment issue for the reasons I stated. Any group could claim that virtually any language is inflamatrory and hurtful.

[crb1]

CRB1 - if CBS uses the above arguement, it certainly DOES become a First Amendment issue for the reasons I stated. Any group could claim that virtually any language is inflamatrory and hurtful.

I'm not sure CBS would use that argument because if it holds up, it could set a precedent which other groups could use a basis to go after CBS. And I don't think they want that, considering how big the CBS radio group is, and how many talk shows they have on in different markets.

[TheMojoPin]

I think you misunderstood. They are planning to say that what Imus said was profanity as based on the FCC guideline that profanity "includes language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance." [para]

The clause in his contract was supposed to protect him/his job for saying "outrageous things" but does not apply if he violated FCC regs. What they are asserting is that what Imus says fits into the FCC guidelines regarding profanity (based on the statement above) so Imus was not protected by the clause in his contract.

It is F-ing ridiculous. If Imus looses, virtually anything could be considered profanity as long as some group claims to be hurt by it.

CRB1 - if CBS uses the above arguement, it certainly DOES become a First Amendment issue for the reasons I stated. Any group could claim that virtually any language is inflamatrory and hurtful.

On the flipside, a radio personality could essentially only be fired or disciplined for their on-air content if it violates FCC regulations. Shouldn't the employers have some wiggle room in that area?

[crb1]

On the flipside, a radio personality could essentially only be fired or disciplined for their on-air content if it violates FCC regulations. Shouldn't the employers have some wiggle room in that area?

Since most, or all, on-air personalities work under contract, I would think any "wiggle room" would have to be in the contract language.

[TheMojoPin]

Since most, or all, on-air personalities work under contract, I would think any "wiggle room" would have to be in the contract language.

So to clarify, Imus is saying that his contract said that he could only be fired for on-air content if it violated FCC regulations?

[johnniewalker]

So to clarify, Imus is saying that his contract said that he could only be fired for on-air content if it violated FCC regulations?

She said, "I'm sure CBS has something about conduct - that he can't use profanity and has to abide by FCC regulations."

So it may turn on what the definition of profanity is?

The FCC, on its Web site, defines profanity as "including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance."

[TheMojoPin]

She said, "I'm sure CBS has something about conduct - that he can't use profanity and has to abide by FCC regulations."

So it may turn on what the definition of profanity is?

The FCC, on its Web site, defines profanity as "including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance."

Profanity is subjective. An employer can pretty much decide what they consider profanity. If I run a business, I can fire an employee for constantly saying "damn" in front of the customers even if a lot of us don't consider it a big deal. Are you saying you want profanity to be strictly defined a la the FCC when it comes to private business?

[johnniewalker]

Profanity is subjective. An employer can pretty much decide what they consider profanity. If I run a business, I can fire an employee for constantly saying "damn" in front of the customers even if a lot of us don't consider it a big deal. Are you saying you want profanity to be strictly defined a la the FCC when it comes to private business?

I really wasn't saying anything, I was confused myself about the article on that point. That's just where the article went when it was talking about profanity.

[Furtherman]

If I run a business, I can fire an employee for constantly saying "damn" in front of the customers even if a lot of us don't consider it a big deal.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1867/hooverdam.GIF

I am your dam guide, Arnie, please don't wander off the dam tour and please take all the dam pictures you want. Now are there any dam questions?

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1867/hooverdam.GIF

I am your dam guide, Arnie, please don't wander off the dam tour and please take all the dam pictures you want. Now are there any dam questions?

Heh...so awesome.

[crb1]

Profanity is subjective. An employer can pretty much decide what they consider profanity. If I run a business, I can fire an employee for constantly saying "damn" in front of the customers even if a lot of us don't consider it a big deal. Are you saying you want profanity to be strictly defined a la the FCC when it comes to private business?

That's not the point here. You're looking at this as an employer/employee situation, but there is a contract involved which changes things. It forces CBS to pay Imus unless he somehow breaches his contract, and he did not.

The FCC issue isn't important because the FCC has already said there was no violation. The only existing issue is whether he did something that was forbidden within the language of the contract. And from what I read this morning, it sounds as if he was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing (being controversial) according to his contract.

CBS has almost no chance of winning this case, and they shouldn't. A company should have no right to hire someone via a contract that states they should be "controversial" and "irreverent" and then be able to fire them (without paying out the contract) when said personality gets into trouble for being controversial.

[sailor]

If CBS does manage to void the deal, then he can go somewhere else and do radio. If they decide to pay him, they can make him sit on the sidelines, just like Infinity did to O&A.

cbs fired him, unlike what happened with o&a. he would be free to work somewhere else even if a judge ordered them to pay him the cash (to the best of my knowledge).

and mojo, from an article i read (it's posted in another thread, i don't want to post the same article in multi-threads) from the language of the contract, cbs had to warn him that something he said went against their contract and for the 2nd infraction he could be fired. from that i don't see how cbs could possibly win. they had a specific remedy allowed in the contract and ignored it.

[cupcakelove]

Profanity is subjective. An employer can pretty much decide what they consider profanity. If I run a business, I can fire an employee for constantly saying "damn" in front of the customers even if a lot of us don't consider it a big deal. Are you saying you want profanity to be strictly defined a la the FCC when it comes to private business?

This goes beyond normal employer-employee relations, and enters into the realm of contracts between entertainers and large corporations. The contract also explicitly said he was supposed to be edgy and controversial, and he could only be fired if he said something that falls into the category of profanity, which the court either has to define themselves, or turn to the FCC to define. It will probably turn to the already established mechanism for determining whats profane, and also, any decision they do reach will probably not have implications beyond whats said on the radio.

[TheMojoPin]

This goes beyond normal employer-employee relations, and enters into the realm of contracts between entertainers and large corporations. The contract also explicitly said he was supposed to be edgy and controversial, and he could only be fired if he said something that falls into the category of profanity, which the court either has to define themselves, or turn to the FCC to define. It will probably turn to the already established mechanism for determining whats profane, and also, any decision they do reach will probably not have implications beyond whats said on the radio.

Yeah, if his contract is really that specific, they'll just pay him some money and be done with it.

[epo]

Yeah, if his contract is really that specific, they'll just pay him some money and be done with it.

Exactly. Pay him off with a no-compete for the balance of his contract. He'll get paid and honestly who is gonna hire a 70 year old shock jock? Nobody. You'll probably never hear from Imus again.

[mendyweiss]

Is he going to have to kick the kids off the "cancer ranch ?
I imagine that takes alot of cash to keep that going !!