Imus fired

[El Mudo]

NEW YORK -- Radio host Don Imus, as well as the radio station that produces his show, apologized Friday for calling the Rutgers University women's basketball team "nappy headed hos" on his nationally syndicated program

The National Association of Black Journalists demanded his immediate firing after the man known as "Imus in the Morning" put his foot deep in his mouth Wednesday. Imus questioned the players' looks, describing them as tattooed "rough girls." His producer compared the team -- which has eight black members -- to the NBA's Toronto Raptors.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=2828504)


Gregory Lee, an NABJ officer and senior assistant sports editor at The Boston Globe, said the mea culpa did little to atone for the comments.

"You can apologize, but what does that mean when you have a history of making disparaging remarks about people?" Lee asked about the acid-tongued Imus. "This kind of behavior must be punished. I hope the company and sponsors he has take some sort of action ... to educate him."










Ugh.....

[BoondockSaint]

He also called them "nappy headed ho's" and McGuirk said that Rutgers vs. Tennesse was like "the jiggaboos vs. the wannabees."

[Death Metal Moe]

He also called them "nappy headed ho's" and McGuirk said that Rutgers vs. Tennesse was like "the jiggaboos vs. the wannabees."

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

GOOD! Fuck them! I wish Imus wasn't up against O&A or I'd check him out more often, especially for comments like these.

[BoondockSaint]

Yeah, that's top notch material right there.

[burrben]

god i love imus

i didn't know black people listened to him

[Death Metal Moe]

god i love imus

i didn't know black people listened to him

They don't, it's some other busy body being offended FOR them. White guilt.

Shut the fuck up, it's a comedy show.

[cougarjake13]

i guess no one can anymore

its a joke who cares about this pc bullshit

i forget where i heard it but you have comics all over the country saying much worse racist jokes but thats okay

[patsopinion]

a sport we can all get behind(the view from ens is great)

http://www.mesastate.edu/athletics/womens/Volleyball/pictures06/images/team.jpg

[flavopop]

Wow, there aint a skank on that Volley Ball team. The one blond coach either has slight downs or a severe case of ButterFace, but that dont make her a bad person my friend. TEAM HOTTIE ALL THE WAY!

[cougarjake13]

just turn down the lights real low and it'll be no prob

[Don Stugots]

a sport we can all get behind(the view from ens is great)

http://www.mesastate.edu/athletics/womens/Volleyball/pictures06/images/team.jpg

Wow, there aint a skank on that Volley Ball team. The one blond coach either has slight downs or a severe case of ButterFace, but that dont make her a bad person my friend. TEAM HOTTIE ALL THE WAY!

agreed. can i be the towel boy for the team?

[lleeder]

agreed. can i be the towel boy for the team?
Only if I can be the towel

[A.J.]

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=2828504"]NEW YORK -- Radio host Don Imus, as well as the radio station that produces his show, apologized Friday for calling the Rutgers University women's basketball team "nappy headed hos" on his nationally syndicated program

If they were white, butch-looking players would this guy have been as outraged? I doubt it.

[burrben]

now the Rev. Al is wanting imus to resign.

hey Al, run for president again, see how that goes. no one cares about you.


maybe if imus did get fired there would be a spot for him on 202. 3-6 anyone?

[El Mudo]

now the Rev. Al is wanting imus to resign.

hey Al, run for president again, see how that goes. no one cares about you.


maybe if imus did get fired there would be a spot for him on 202. 3-6 anyone?



I think Reverend Al may be outraged that Imus didn't insult butch-looking white players

[J.Clints]

Only if I can be the towel

Only if Im the Shorts.

[FezPaul]

agreed. can i be the towel boy for the team?
Batch towel?

[hunnerbun]

Ah shit...just send him to rehab like Mel and Michael Richards...it'll be all good once he gets out. Seems to be the thing to do these days.

[Ritalin]

a sport we can all get behind(the view from ens is great)

http://www.mesastate.edu/athletics/womens/Volleyball/pictures06/images/team.jpg

No, wait, that girl in the front on the right is asian, and that's a mixing of the races, which is an ABOMINATION!

But if you want to lay with that chinese and her nappy headed jigaboo ho friends, you go right ahead.

[patsopinion]

now the Rev. Al is wanting imus to resign.

hey Al, run for president again, see how that goes. no one cares about you.


maybe if imus did get fired there would be a spot for him on 202. 3-6 anyone?

im sure o an a would glady go to afternoon drive(they constantly bitch about their hours)

[badorties]

I wonder if this guy would have been as outraged if Imus insulted a bunch of butch-looking white players. Probably not.

i think this transcends any double standard, or just another case of political correctness run amok

imus (and those on his show) have a long history of really angry, hateful speech ... when stern or o&a push the envelope, there seems to be a level of tact

i've never found imus funny, engaging or entertaining -- just a witless curmudgeon

[dndbuena]

We all love Imus cause he's Opie's dad - He was only jokin...

[cougarjake13]

i think this transcends any double standard, or just another case of political correctness run amok

imus (and those on his show) have a long history of really angry, hateful speech ... when stern or o&a push the envelope, there seems to be a level of tact

i've never found imus funny, engaging or entertaining -- just a witless curmudgeon

i totally agree

i cant believe he was actually competition for stern in the early days i guess people didnt know what they were missing b/c it hadnt happened yet and all ya had was imus

[TheMojoPin]

They don't, it's some other busy body being offended FOR them. White guilt.

Shut the fuck up, it's a comedy show.

It is?

[IamPixie]

I think what Imus said was pretty fucked up and i'm glad he's catching heat for it. whatever.

[Death Metal Moe]

It is?

DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER LAUGHTER?!?!?!

[TheMojoPin]

DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER LAUGHTER?!?!?!

Imus' show is like listening to an older D&M.

[bigredd]

now the Rev. Al is wanting imus to resign.

hey Al, run for president again, see how that goes. no one cares about you.


maybe if imus did get fired there would be a spot for him on 202. 3-6 anyone?

Hat trick.

[Death Metal Moe]

I cannot believe my ears.

Don Imus, basically in tears on the fucking radio. Having to stick up for himself by reminding people of all the charity work he does. Reminding people that humor should still exist in a free society.

I wanna fucking vomit. Imus didn't cross ANY lines. What he said was a complete joke and anyone who took it as hate speech is so stupid they should be exterminated.

Fuck your mother Al Sharpton. You think this makes anyone outside your small band or YES men respect you? It only makes me hate you more and think extremely low of anyone who thinks you're their racial leader.

When you pay attention to these bully race baiters, you give them come credibility. Just tell them to go shit in their hate, do your show and that's that.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE! The very idea of freedom of speech means you will offend someone, sometime. But some people can't take it I guess.

This is the kinda stuff that changes whole generation's opinions too.

[ralphbxny]

I cant believe it! I have to hear the audio. I have to agree. Imus doesnt need to apologize for anything. Al Sharpton should for being a douche. Go support some more drug dealers, liars, and other dumb people you do.

[LOAF]

I cant believe it! I have to hear the audio. I have to agree. Imus doesnt need to apologize for anything. Al Sharpton should for being a douche. Go support some more drug dealers, liars, and other dumb people you do.

I hereby support the above statement

[Judge Smails]

Can we get off of Imus' case and get on JV and Elvis' please. Now there's something I'm sure that we can all get behind. But seriously even though they're unfunny hacks, this whole PC shit is getting out of hand.

Use Of 'Fag' Just Comedy NYC CBS Radio Station Says (http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/04/040507radio.htm)
"The comments by ‘JV’ and ‘Elvis’ are vulgar and defamatory, plain and simple,” said Rashad Robinson, Director of Media Programs at GLAAD.

“CBS Radio and WFNY 92.3 Free FM have a responsibility to the community to ensure that hateful anti-gay slurs are not part of their standards and practices.”

Robinson said that GLAAD called station Program Director, John Mainelli several times before reaching him.

At one point, Robinson said, a receptionist hung up on a GLAAD senior staff member and told him to “stop calling.”

Eventually, Robinson said, Mainelli did call back, was unapologetic about the anti-gay tirade, defending the radio segment as “comedy.”

[burrben]

jesus, what is this country coming to? people make fat jokes but i don't get offended

[sailor]

my favorite part of this was jesse jackson getting involved. what's the difference between this and jesse's "hymietown" reference, oh, except that jesse wasn't joking. oh, and he was allowed to get on with his life.

[reillyluck]

Can we get off of Imus' case and get on JV and Elvis' please. Now there's something I'm sure that we can all get behind. But seriously even though they're unfunny hacks, this whole PC shit is getting out of hand.

Use Of 'Fag' Just Comedy NYC CBS Radio Station Says (http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/04/040507radio.htm)
"The comments by ‘JV’ and ‘Elvis’ are vulgar and defamatory, plain and simple,” said Rashad Robinson, Director of Media Programs at GLAAD.

“CBS Radio and WFNY 92.3 Free FM have a responsibility to the community to ensure that hateful anti-gay slurs are not part of their standards and practices.”

Robinson said that GLAAD called station Program Director, John Mainelli several times before reaching him.

At one point, Robinson said, a receptionist hung up on a GLAAD senior staff member and told him to “stop calling.”

Eventually, Robinson said, Mainelli did call back, was unapologetic about the anti-gay tirade, defending the radio segment as “comedy.”



Im offended that they are being labeled as "shock jocks". This is just down right offensive to me because they SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ralphbxny]

I just want to type SHOCK JOCKS!!
SHOCK JOCKS!!
SHOCK JOCKS!!!

[MrPink]

What the fuck happened to create a nation of pussies? I wish people would treat something that offends them like we treat something that doesn't entertain, turn it off! I blame people that apologize for encouraging people to continue being outraged because of something someone said. Never apologize, never be sorry!

[Arch Stanton]

Gotta tell ya, what he did today was far worse then what he said about the Basketball Team.

He re-wrote history by giving what he said so much importance. It was s throw away line.

I feel he himself in a way is also getting on the attention whore Bus by doing what he is doing today.

He should get back to the funny or get busy packing.

[sailor]

Gotta tell ya, what he did today was far worse then what he said about the Basketball Team.

He re-wrote history by giving what he said so much importance. It was s throw away line.

I feel he himself in a way is also getting on the attention whore Bus by doing what he is doing today.

He should get back to the funny or get busy packing.

disagree. yes, it was totally a throw-away line, but it's more he sees this as something he needs to save his career. i don't think this is what he'd prefer to do today, by any stretch of the imagination.

[nate1000]

I cannot believe my ears.

Don Imus, basically in tears on the fucking radio. Having to stick up for himself by reminding people of all the charity work he does. Reminding people that humor should still exist in a free society.

I wanna fucking vomit. Imus didn't cross ANY lines. What he said was a complete joke and anyone who took it as hate speech is so stupid they should be exterminated.

Fuck your mother Al Sharpton. You think this makes anyone outside your small band or YES men respect you? It only makes me hate you more and think extremely low of anyone who thinks you're their racial leader.

When you pay attention to these bully race baiters, you give them come credibility. Just tell them to go shit in their hate, do your show and that's that.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE! The very idea of freedom of speech means you will offend someone, sometime. But some people can't take it I guess.

This is the kinda stuff that changes whole generation's opinions too.


Yeah! Damn sparkling wiggles.

[TheMojoPin]

HAW-HAW!

Fuck Imus. I have no pity for morons.

[Arch Stanton]

disagree. yes, it was totally a throw-away line, but it's more he sees this as something he needs to save his career. i don't think this is what he'd prefer to do today, by any stretch of the imagination.

I see your point. It is just that he is 180 degrees off of his game that he has been at for years. Or, he has just been full of shit playing the role with no balls. Like he has been reading a script for years not feeling or saying what he thinks at all. And Today is the real Don Imus.

[razorboy]

Gotta tell ya, what he did today was far worse then what he said about the Basketball Team.

He re-wrote history by giving what he said so much importance. It was s throw away line.

I feel he himself in a way is also getting on the attention whore Bus by doing what he is doing today.

He should get back to the funny or get busy packing.

When has Imus ever been funny? I guess I'll understand when I'm older.

[A.J.]

Sharpton should be thanking Imus. Incidents like these keep Sharpton "employed".

[A.J.]

Imus said he hoped to meet the players and their parents and coaches, and he said he was grateful that he was scheduled to appear later Monday on a radio show hosted by the Rev. Al Sharpton, who has called for Imus to be fired over the remarks.

"It's not going to be easy, but I'm not looking for it to be easy," Imus said.

Sharpton has said he wants Imus fired and that he intends to complain to the Federal Communications Commission about the matter.
(http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/08/imus.ap/index.html)

Will Sharpton also be asking record companies to drop the rappers who have said far more insulting things about women in their music which gets broadcast over the airwaves?

[Arch Stanton]

disagree. yes, it was totally a throw-away line, but it's more he sees this as something he needs to save his career. i don't think this is what he'd prefer to do today, by any stretch of the imagination.

I see your point. It is just that he is 180 degrees off of his game that he has been at for years. Or, he has just been full of shit playing the role with no balls. Like he has been reading a script for years not feeling or saying what he thinks at all. And Today is the real Don Imus.

[badorties]

it probably won't happen, but ...

i will smile from ear to ear, and lite a candle if sharpton get imus off the air

oh, what a joyous day that would be

you can be an equal opportunity offender (whatever that really means), do good by selling
merchandise and some charity work -- but if you (and your team) say enough inappropiate / jackass things, you should be held accountable

[sailor]

I see your point. It is just that he is 180 degrees off of his game that he has been at for years. Or, he has just been full of shit playing the role with no balls. Like he has been reading a script for years not feeling or saying what he thinks at all. And Today is the real Don Imus.

[SIZE="3"]oooh, the elusive double post 19 minutes apart, with 3 other posts in between. :)/SIZE]

[HBox]

First of all this calling for Imus to be fired is retarded. It seems like these "civil rights" leaders have given up on trying to make real progress in the advancement of minorities and are just playing a perpetual game of gotcha with celebrities. They've turned into media whores. It's not as if mus has a history of this shit. Just let him apologize and move on. This whole begging for forgiveness thing on radio shows seems like nothing more than ego stroking.

That being said, what he said was offensive. You can't always get away with saying whatever you want and then just claiming "It's just a joke," even if it is just a joke. Imagine you were related to one of the players on the team, or a friend, or a fan, or go to Rutgers and you hear that some radio show you've never listened to just called your team "nappy-headed hos." Of course you'd be pissed off. Of course you'd be offended, especially if you're black. You're not in on the joke. Somebody just insulted them for no reason.

But this is still a ridiculous dust up over one comment.

[SamTheGrrl]

I have been a lurker for many months, albeit a diehard R&F fan. I met many of you at the Big Ass Bash and am happy to share my thoughts on this site , esp about the Don Imus thing.

Oh, and leave Earl alone. I am 1/2 in love with him...I'm going to post this, and then off to wackbag...my other idols.


Anyway my words on the Imus thing:

"Listen. You both have been in the media spotlight for most of my adult existence. You have both always proclaimed to be the voice of "our" community. Well, here is one member of "your" community, asking you to knock it off.

Hypocritical men of faith don't sit well with me, and other members of "our" community. Rev. Jackson, in all due respect, I can barely make out a sentence you say. And all of your baby mama drama with Karin Stanford----please, clean up your own house before you clean up mine.

Mr. Sharpton, you are a sometimes amusing buffoon. You fought the good fight when it came to the Howard Beach thing, but lost all cred with T. Brawley. Also, I was a waitress many moons ago, who waited on you and your cronies, Maddox and Mason. The three of you could not even see fit to tip a young, hard-working black woman, trying to put herself through college, a 15% tip.

I think the both of you need to understand, Black people no longer need the "Power to the People" mantra of the 60's and 70's. Revs. Jackson and Sharpton, you are the weakest link. You seek to exploit public figures like Don Imus and could give less of a crap about the "brother" who continually exploits black woman in music videos; rappers call these women "ho's", "bitches", "gold-digger" and have referred to the "nappy dug-out" on more than one occasion. Why is this not OK for Imus but OK for the brothers? How about dissuading young black people from thinking that babies are accessories? HELLO..? If you can barely afford to provide for yourself, how in the hell are you going to provide for children from three different "baby mamas?"

You are older men, and young black men need guidance. Why not encourage the black men who are having baby after baby out of wedlock to be responsible providers?

Why not encourage young black women who only see in their future trapping some young guy to give her money for a baby as her only option in life?

Why not strive the importance of education, personal responsibilty and self-pride?

If either one of you cannot set aside your antiquated ways of thinking to purport this movement, then you leave me no choice, I must try to.

Here is to all the people of color getting degrees, high-paying jobs, and acclimating to the American Dream.

The rest of you gangsta's, thugs, baby-mamas-with-three-or-more-guys are deadweight.

And yes I am really a black woman, with a LOT to say! "

[jetdog]

When has Imus ever been funny? I guess I'll understand when I'm older.
He's no Ron B or Ant, but everynow and then he hits one out of the park.

[Death Metal Moe]

it probably won't happen, but ...

i will smile from ear to ear, and lite a candle if sharpton get imus off the air

oh, what a joyous day that would be

you can be an equal opportunity offender (whatever that really means), do good by selling
merchandise and some charity work -- but if you (and your team) say enough inappropiate / jackass things, you should be held accountable


Well then, I don't want to see you upset if and when someone comes after Ron and Fez for a "tongue in cheek" remark they make. If one of these pieces of shit goes by the show during a time that Ron is making black jokes at Earl's expense, they could get offended too. Does this mean you think Ron and Fez should tone it down?

I want FREE SPEECH, not Free Speech up to a point that is defined by some vocal minority.

[LilLibra]

First of all this calling for Imus to be fired is retarded. It seems like these "civil rights" leaders have given up on trying to make real progress in the advancement of minorities and are just playing a perpetual game of gotcha with celebrities. They've turned into media whores. It's not as if mus has a history of this shit. Just let him apologize and move on. This whole begging for forgiveness thing on radio shows seems like nothing more than ego stroking.

That being said, what he said was offensive. You can't always get away with saying whatever you want and then just claiming "It's just a joke," even if it is just a joke. Imagine you were related to one of the players on the team, or a friend, or a fan, or go to Rutgers and you hear that some radio show you've never listened to just called your team "nappy-headed hos." Of course you'd be pissed off. Of course you'd be offended, especially if you're black. You're not in on the joke. Somebody just insulted them for no reason.

But this is still a ridiculous dust up over one comment.

I totally agree and I'm glad someone sees the other side of this. That being said, I'm not for Al Sharpton's demand that Imus get fired. It's been posted before that there are far more important issues that need this much attention and it's true. It's impossible to go after every person who says something stupid or offensive about a group of people. It won't change a thing.

There are undeniable times to be upset and demand action but Imus is the least deserving of it. I also could care less when someone later apologizes for their remarks. We all know it was coerced and done to save face. What's the point? They're trying to pacify me and that's more offensive than the initial remark.

[Death Metal Moe]

I have been a lurker for many months, albeit a diehard R&F fan. I met many of you at the Big Ass Bash and am happy to share my thoughts on this site , esp about the Don Imus thing.

Oh, and leave Earl alone. I am 1/2 in love with him...I'm going to post this, and then off to wackbag...my other idols.


Anyway my words on the Imus thing:

"Listen. You both have been in the media spotlight for most of my adult existence. You have both always proclaimed to be the voice of "our" community. Well, here is one member of "your" community, asking you to knock it off.

Hypocritical men of faith don't sit well with me, and other members of "our" community. Rev. Jackson, in all due respect, I can barely make out a sentence you say. And all of your baby mama drama with Karin Stanford----please, clean up your own house before you clean up mine.

Mr. Sharpton, you are a sometimes amusing buffoon. You fought the good fight when it came to the Howard Beach thing, but lost all cred with T. Brawley. Also, I was a waitress many moons ago, who waited on you and your cronies, Maddox and Mason. The three of you could not even see fit to tip a young, hard-working black woman, trying to put herself through college, a 15% tip.

I think the both of you need to understand, Black people no longer need the "Power to the People" mantra of the 60's and 70's. Revs. Jackson and Sharpton, you are the weakest link. You seek to exploit public figures like Don Imus and could give less of a crap about the "brother" who continually exploits black woman in music videos; rappers call these women "ho's", "bitches", "gold-digger" and have referred to the "nappy dug-out" on more than one occasion. Why is this not OK for Imus but OK for the brothers? How about dissuading young black people from thinking that babies are accessories? HELLO..? If you can barely afford to provide for yourself, how in the hell are you going to provide for children from three different "baby mamas?"

You are older men, and young black men need guidance. Why not encourage the black men who are having baby after baby out of wedlock to be responsible providers?

Why not encourage young black women who only see in their future trapping some young guy to give her money for a baby as her only option in life?

Why not strive the importance of education, personal responsibilty and self-pride?

If either one of you cannot set aside your antiquated ways of thinking to purport this movement, then you leave me no choice, I must try to.

Here is to all the people of color getting degrees, high-paying jobs, and acclimating to the American Dream.

The rest of you gangsta's, thugs, baby-mamas-with-three-or-more-guys are deadweight.

And yes I am really a black woman, with a LOT to say! "

Jesus, thank you. At least there's some black folk who get it. With Jackson and Sharpton out there as your so called "Spokespersons" you are made to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.

I'd like to see more black public figures with some common sense, and who aren't media whores out for themselves.

[Friday]

This is for SamTheGrrl : :clap:

:)

[SinA]

YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE! The very idea of freedom of speech means you will offend someone, sometime. But some people can't take it I guess.


That is the absolute smartest thing I have ever read on this board. I couldn't agree more. I find some things on Steve Harvey's show offensive, but I don't demand that it gets pulled off the air.

On the other hand, I never thought Imus was funny.

[Death Metal Moe]

That is the absolute smartest thing I have ever read on this board. I couldn't agree more. I find some things on Steve Harvey's show offensive, but I don't demand that it gets pulled off the air.

On the other hand, I never thought Imus was funny.

Thank you sir. Wish I could say it was my idea, but it's a modified point that I heard Jimmy or Anthony bring up on O&A once.

The double standard is fucking appauling. Black comics can make fun of whites through an entire half hour set and that's OK?

Black leaders can attack Imus but don't attack blacks that are degrading their own women and pushing a violent lifestyle on their own people?

Now don't get me wrong, Black comics SHOULD be able to make fun of white and rappers SHOULD be able to say anything the want, but you don't hear me even raising an eyebrow to it.

Because here's the double edged sword. By getting offended, Rutgers and Rev. Cunt Sharpton just gave Imus A LOT of power. If they had shrugged it off as another dopey radio guy saying something outrageous, this would have went away. But THEY empowered Imus. Good job, stupids. We won't be returning the favor.

[sailor]

First of all this calling for Imus to be fired is retarded. It seems like these "civil rights" leaders have given up on trying to make real progress in the advancement of minorities and are just playing a perpetual game of gotcha with celebrities. They've turned into media whores. It's not as if mus has a history of this shit. Just let him apologize and move on. This whole begging for forgiveness thing on radio shows seems like nothing more than ego stroking.

That being said, what he said was offensive. You can't always get away with saying whatever you want and then just claiming "It's just a joke," even if it is just a joke. Imagine you were related to one of the players on the team, or a friend, or a fan, or go to Rutgers and you hear that some radio show you've never listened to just called your team "nappy-headed hos." Of course you'd be pissed off. Of course you'd be offended, especially if you're black. You're not in on the joke. Somebody just insulted them for no reason.

But this is still a ridiculous dust up over one comment.

BUT, what part offended you? what if it was a black radio guy talking aboot some white girls team and called them "straight haired ho's" or "blond haired ho's"? the ho's is the part that would "offend" a friend or family member, but nappy-haired is a straight physical description, not an offensive remark. and you can't go after someone's job (in radio), even if they call your daughter a ho.

[HBox]

BUT, what part offended you? what if it was a black radio guy talking aboot some white girls team and called them "straight haired ho's" or "blond haired ho's"? the ho's is the part that would "offend" a friend or family member, but nappy-haired is a straight physical description, not an offensive remark. and you can't go after someone's job (in radio), even if they call your daughter a ho.

You can't ignore the history behind the term. And you can't ignore the context. It was used as a derogatory term by whites against blacks. I think its outdated but I'm white and I don't know how it feels for a black person to hear that shit. Apparently a lot of people were offended. Consider how it was used. "Nappy-haired hos.' You think he was just trying to describe their hair, with no other consideration at all, just a straight description, and then go right into to a deep insult. The term carries connotations and while it's outdated Imus is old enough to remember when it wasn't.

And they CAN go after Imus's job. Not that they SHOULD, but they CAN. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. You can't be put in jail for what you say and you can't dictate how other people will react to what you say. I certainly think this country needs to lighten up. This is the worst case of over-reaction I can remember off the top of my head. But still, they have the right to say what they want and Imus has no right to WFAN's airtime.

[FUNKMAN]

besides people should stop voting, they should stop watching and listening to the news.

except for traffic and weather updates

the media is fucking garbage

no dig at you Moe or your interests...

[JohnWC]

Looks like he went on Sharpton's show (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMUS_PROTESTS?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-04-09-14-19-22)

[ChimneyFish]

besides people should stop voting, they should stop watching and listening to the news.

except for traffic and weather updates

the media is fucking garbage




I am of the belief that people should just stop breathing.

It's shit like this that makes me pray for the end.

Pro-Apocalypse since day 1.

[sailor]

You can't ignore the history behind the term. And you can't ignore the context. It was used as a derogatory term by whites against blacks. I think its outdated but I'm white and I don't know how it feels for a black person to hear that shit. Apparently a lot of people were offended. Consider how it was used. "Nappy-haired hos.' You think he was just trying to describe their hair, with no other consideration at all, just a straight description, and then go right into to a deep insult. The term carries connotations and while it's outdated Imus is old enough to remember when it wasn't.

And they CAN go after Imus's job. Not that they SHOULD, but they CAN. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. You can't be put in jail for what you say and you can't dictate how other people will react to what you say. I certainly think this country needs to lighten up. This is the worst case of over-reaction I can remember off the top of my head. But still, they have the right to say what they want and Imus has no right to WFAN's airtime.

i never heard it as an insult, so i'll take your word for it. and of course they CAN go after his job. yes, they have that right. i just think it's ludicrous. all in all, i think he was just saying they looked thuggish. having nappy hair was part of what made them appear thuggish to him.

edit: also, what if he said "ashy ho's"? or would that be too similar to you? if it was, where would you draw the line that it's jsut a description?

[Jujubees2]

While I agree that he should not be fired for being stupid, Imus does not have Freedom of Speech when he is on the radio. WFAN is operating under FCC rules and, as we all know, there are things you can and can not say on terrestrial radio.

In the end, the public will determine Imus' job. If enough people stop listening, his ratings go down and the sponsors leave. Which is the most likely reason behind his "apology".

[Death Metal Moe]

besides people should stop voting, they should stop watching and listening to the news.

except for traffic and weather updates

the media is fucking garbage

no dig at you Moe or your interests...

It's cool, I didn't take your comments as such. 99% of the media is garbage, you'll get no argument from me on that point.

In the end I don't listen to Imus, but the assault on free speech and people allowing piece of garbage like Sharpton to do what he's doing pisses me off.

[sailor]

While I agree that he should not be fired for being stupid, Imus does not have Freedom of Speech when he is on the radio. WFAN is operating under FCC rules and, as we all know, there are things you can and can not say on terrestrial radio.

In the end, the public will determine Imus' job. If enough people stop listening, his ratings go down and the sponsors leave. Which is the most likely reason behind his "apology".

in no way was what he said in conflict with fcc rules. that just doesn't apply here.

[HBox]

i never heard it as an insult, so i'll take your word for it. and of course they CAN go after his job. yes, they have that right. i just think it's ludicrous. all in all, i think he was just saying they looked thuggish. having nappy hair was part of what made them appear thuggish to him.

edit: also, what if he said "ashy ho's"? or would that be too similar to you? if it was, where would you draw the line that it's jsut a description?

Or what if he called them "big lipped hos"? The term nappy haired has historical baggage. I wouldn't think that the term ashy would offend blacks but I'm not black so I don't know.

The first time I found out that nappy haired was some kind of old racial slur was a few years ago in another infuriating story. An author wrote a book. It's was titled something like "My Nappy Hair." It was a children's book about a black girl with nappy hair and the trouble she had caring for it. From the news story it seemed cute and innocuous. It was certainly meant as a straight description and not in the insulting tone that Imus did. Well, one parent stumbles upon the book in a school library and starts a crusade to get it removed from the school. One problem though: the author was black. But that didn't matter, they fought on and got the book removed.

So, as awful as that story is and as over-reactive as the parents were, that is still proof that the term carries some baggage. And Imus had to know that. But he apologized, it was one sentence and that SHOULD have been the end of it.

[Recyclerz]

A lot of good commentary in this thread but to keep it kinda on the tracks I'm most in agreement with Moe (& Samthe Grrl). Imus folded like a cheap suitcase (to use one of his expressions). He made one point this AM that I hadn't thought of - that the players on the Rutgers team aren't likely listeners of his show (too young or whatever) so they wouldn't necessarily know that he was trying to make the funny. I'll add one additional demerit - the players on that team aren't really public figures in the sense that his usual targets are.
(Eg. Dick Cheney:"War Criminal"; Hilary Clinton: "Satan with cankles"; Ned Lamont "Child rapist" for his alleged resemblance to the weirdo who confessed to killing Jon Benet Ramsey.) So he should have said " I apologize to the young women on the Rutgers team whio may have been offended by my remarks and will try to apolgize to them in person. Everyone else trying to make an issue of this can kiss my wrinkled white ass." Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have both been guests on Imus' show so they must understand the gimmick.

I've come up three possible explanations for imus's cave in.

1. He really is too old for this game.

2. The semi-new wife is spending his money much faster than he expected so he does need the job.

3. His Ranch means more to him than anything and he's afraid he won't get any more African-American kids to come out there if he doesn't fix the PR/Media problem.

I'm thinking some combination of 2 & 3, myself.

[HBox]

One more thing. This isn't like the Hot97 tsunami thing where they took time to write a song and obviously had time to realize how awful and offensive what they writing was and STILL air it. That shows either incredible ignorance, actual overt racism or a desperate attempt at publicity.

No, Imus has 4 hours of talk to fill everyday and has to talk off the cuff. Everyone has racist thoughts from time to time and if you are on the air trying to fill time everyday something is going to come out. It doesn't make him racist. It doesn't mean he discriminates or hates blacks or won't associate with them or looks down upon them or anything. It just one of many stupid thoughts we all have slipping out in a moment of weakness. He might not have even realized what he was doing as it was happening. We've all had that foot in the mouth moment.

And he still took responsibility and apologized. He realized what he said was wrong and admitted it. Anything else is further media whoring from these people who lost their way and have nothing meaningful left to give to the civil rights movement.

[sailor]

Or what if he called them "big lipped hos"? The term nappy haired has historical baggage. I wouldn't think that the term ashy would offend blacks but I'm not black so I don't know.

The first time I found out that nappy haired was some kind of old racial slur was a few years ago in another infuriating story. An author wrote a book. It's was titled something like "My Nappy Hair." It was a children's book about a black girl with nappy hair and the trouble she had caring for it. From the news story it seemed cute and innocuous. It was certainly meant as a straight description and not in the insulting tone that Imus did. Well, one parent stumbles upon the book in a school library and starts a crusade to get it removed from the school. One problem though: the author was black. But that didn't matter, they fought on and got the book removed.

So, as awful as that story is and as over-reactive as the parents were, that is still proof that the term carries some baggage. And Imus had to know that. But he apologized, it was one sentence and that SHOULD have been the end of it.

like i said, i'll have to take your word for it. never heard it as an insult, myself. i do see your big-lip point, tho.

[douchebagsean]

I cant believe it! I have to hear the audio. I have to agree. Imus doesnt need to apologize for anything. Al Sharpton should for being a douche. Go support some more drug dealers, liars, and other dumb people you do.

normally im all for inducting another member into the community of douchebaggery, but im ashamed to be lumped in with sharpton...douches of the world unite and kick this fucktard in the teeth

[HBox]

Here's a description of the story I described. It's actually different from what I remember, but MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse. (http://www.adversity.net/special/nappy_hair.htm)

And here's another article that briefly describes why the term carries baggage but is mostly a weird attack on the beauty industry. (http://www.pacificnews.org/jinn/stories/4.24/981204-hair.html)

Some black critics say that black women are in a frenzied search to shed the ancient racist shame and stigma of "nappy hair = bad hair" by aping white beauty standards.

[Death Metal Moe]

How about we just scream the N word and get this all over with?

It won't solve anything, but it'll make me laugh.

[Jujubees2]

in no way was what he said in conflict with fcc rules. that just doesn't apply here.

I didn't mean that his current comments violated FCC rules, only that he can't say whatever he wants due to FCC regs, therefore, he doesn't have "free speech" while on the airwaves.

[douchebagsean]

and while im here let me say this...this is truly a sad state of affairs we are in right now, there is a major war being waged overseas, gang violence is on the rise, just when the world appears to be tilting towards chaos is when we need laughter the most. and as a society we have become way too sensitive. i mean whats wrong with a quick giggle when a baby falls and cries? whenever younger people (ugh im 29, now i can actually use that term someone shoot me) comment on how awful the world is i usually say, 'pe-shaw the world aint so bad its what you do with your time here that makes life worth living,' but now if we cant make fun of each other in harmless ways, i might start to agree with their view of things. it almost makes you say why bother trying to cheer people up if they might complain at what you said. perhaps some day we will wake up and stop being such a bunch of babies and wussies. time to man up i say...punching out

[Arch Stanton]

Eddie Trunk / Eddie Trunk / Eddie Trunk / Ed Trunk / Eddie Trunk / Eddie Trunk / Ed Trunk

[Furtherman]

Deep down, we're all a bunch of nappy-ass hos.

[foodcourtdruide]

This is not a freedom of speech issue. Unless I'm reading the story wrong, the government is not the one censoring Don Imus.

[sailor]

Here's a description of the story I described. It's actually different from what I remember, but MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse. (http://www.adversity.net/special/nappy_hair.htm)

And here's another article that briefly describes why the term carries baggage but is mostly a weird attack on the beauty industry. (http://www.pacificnews.org/jinn/stories/4.24/981204-hair.html)

from what i've read there and found elsewhere, i don't see that folk have a problem with the word, but rather that they have a problem with people saying they can't have nappy hair (like at 6 flags in jersey, i believe). yet another reason the imus protests are misguided, in my opinion.

[JohnWC]

Here (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1b1_1176147032&p=1)is the video of Imus on Sharpton.

This is becoming the biggest story on cable news from what I just saw.

[HBox]

Ooof. He didn't help himself with the "I can't win with you people" comment. This is like a bad sitcom episode that keeps on getting worse.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't really blame Imus for this. If he doesn't play nice he'll lose his job. If I blame anyone for folding, it's CBS/MSNBC for not defending Imus.

[Ritalin]

Jesus, thank you. At least there's some black folk who get it. With Jackson and Sharpton out there as your so called "Spokespersons" you are made to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.

I'd like to see more black public figures nappyheaded jigaboo ho's with some common sense, and who aren't media whores out for themselves.

Fixed it for you Blowhard...I mean, Moe.

[Death Metal Moe]

Thank you Ritalin. Much better and to the point.

[patsopinion]

and now moe hates black people
the circle is complete

[Tenbatsuzen]

Honest to god, this is manufactured outrage of the highest fucking order.

Yeah, Imus made a stupid remark. Offensive? Sure. Racist? No. Yes, HBox, there's historical context, but what he said, taken at value, wasn't racist. No worse than calling an Irishman a paleskinned drunk or saying that someone who is Jewish or Italian is hairy.

Rutgers' basketball team is a bunch of rough looking women. I said it. I winced when I saw them introduced when I caught some of the game on Tuesday.

Everybody says worse shit. Hell, I think Sid's remark about Sarena (or Venus?) Williams being King Kong (or something like that) was 10 times worse than what Imus said.


If anything, it's a mysogynistic remark, NOT a racist remark. But the black special interest groups have better PR contacts than the women's groups, I guess.

Long story short, whoever has manufactured this brouhaha has effectively fucked over kids with Cancer, not just for the Ranch, but for the other organizations that benefit from the WFAN radiothon that's happening on Thursday.

I heard a Stern zombie in the office start ranting about this this morning. I almost went apeshit.

[sailor]

Honest to god, this is manufactured outrage of the highest fucking order.

Yeah, Imus made a stupid remark. Offensive? Sure. Racist? No. Yes, HBox, there's historical context, but what he said, taken at value, wasn't racist. No worse than calling an Irishman a paleskinned drunk or saying that someone who is Jewish or Italian is hairy.

Rutgers' basketball team is a bunch of rough looking women. I said it. I winced when I saw them introduced when I caught some of the game on Tuesday.

Everybody says worse shit. Hell, I think Sid's remark about Sarena (or Venus?) Williams being King Kong (or something like that) was 10 times worse than what Imus said.


If anything, it's a mysogynistic remark, NOT a racist remark. But the black special interest groups have better PR contacts than the women's groups, I guess.

Long story short, whoever has manufactured this brouhaha has effectively fucked over kids with Cancer, not just for the Ranch, but for the other organizations that benefit from the WFAN radiothon that's happening on Thursday.

I heard a Stern zombie in the office start ranting about this this morning. I almost went apeshit.

yeah, as a white guy i'm offended when ron calls dave "casper". where does the hatred end??

[Don Stugots]

yeah, as a white guy i'm offended when ron calls dave "casper". where does the hatred end??

is Sailor here? i cant see him.

[Captain Rooster]

It was a joke. Any questions?

[Judge Smails]

MSNBC to suspend Imus' show for two weeks. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html)

That'll teach him to speak badly of Rutgers. (Sorry, the NJ thread has me all in a lather.)

[johnniewalker]

I kinda thought the terms were culturally accepted. I always hear it in rap songs and in African American conversations. Good thing i never used it. I'm always glad when i can learn why i should be offended by something. Like when that Giant's radio announcer said some term that had some deep historical meaning, but it took a history teacher to explain the profound racism in it. After my history lesson i can properly condemn a person as stupid and without thought, which is kinda what a racist term does in the first place. Interesting.

[DonInNC]

If anything, it's a mysogynistic remark, NOT a racist remark.

I agree. The cynic in me wonders if there would be the same reaction if he had called a men's team a bunch of tatooed nappy headed criminals or something similar.

[led37zep]

This whole story is a massive fucking insult to free speech and humor.

I can't stand it when people pretend to be offended by shit like this.

[sailor]

I kinda thought the terms were culturally accepted. I always hear it in rap songs and in African American conversations. Good thing i never used it. I'm always glad when i can learn why i should be offended by something. Like when that Giant's radio announcer said some term that had some deep historical meaning, but it took a history teacher to explain the profound racism in it. After my history lesson i can properly condemn a person as stupid and without thought, which is kinda what a racist term does in the first place. Interesting.

what was that?

[techteach_1]

I cannot believe my ears.

Don Imus, basically in tears on the fucking radio. Having to stick up for himself by reminding people of all the charity work he does. Reminding people that humor should still exist in a free society.

I wanna fucking vomit. Imus didn't cross ANY lines. What he said was a complete joke and anyone who took it as hate speech is so stupid they should be exterminated.

Fuck your mother Al Sharpton. You think this makes anyone outside your small band or YES men respect you? It only makes me hate you more and think extremely low of anyone who thinks you're their racial leader.

When you pay attention to these bully race baiters, you give them come credibility. Just tell them to go shit in their hate, do your show and that's that.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE! The very idea of freedom of speech means you will offend someone, sometime. But some people can't take it I guess.

This is the kinda stuff that changes whole generation's opinions too.


I couldn't have put it better! I've been an Imus fan for years and he really bummed me out this morning. I too am so fucking sick of everyone is this fagot world we live in being 'offended' by words. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! What ever happened to 'Sticks and stones... like when we were brought up.

Keep up the good work and the music Moe.

[HBox]

Yeah, Imus made a stupid remark. Offensive? Sure. Racist? No. Yes, HBox, there's historical context, but what he said, taken at value, wasn't racist. No worse than calling an Irishman a paleskinned drunk or saying that someone who is Jewish or Italian is hairy.

I disagree. He wouldn't have said that about women of other races if they had nappy hair. It's a term negatively associated with black people. If Imus was younger I'd be more apt to believe that he didn't believe what he was saying was racist. And those other examples don't carry the baggage that the history of this country brings. It IS at it core just a descriptive term but the context in which it was used gave it power, made it offensive. Of course even considering all that it is fairly benign as far as racist shit goes and the misogyny was more insulting.

And I hate the "It's just a joke" defense. To his listeners, even his black listeners it was probably just a joke. They're in on the show, they know what it is about. But you wouldn't just walk up to one of these players on the street and say "You're a nappy headed ho" and expect them to laugh. That's the danger of broadcasting on the public airwaves.

And regardless of all that, taking shots at this team was really cheap. They're just college students and this is probably going to be the highlight of their life. They're not getting rich off of this, they're not going to get famous. They have this and then they're off to do whatever they are studying about at school. He deserved to apologize for this, racist implication or not.

And all that being said, all those people who constantly look for reasons to be offended (which doesn't just apply to blacks) are much worse than Imus. They make these issues more complicated than they should be, undermine their own cause to a large amount of people (who will become more skeptical in the future of incidents of actual hate) and do it all just to make themselves a career. It's taking a real important issues, undermining it for personal gain and not caring who you take down in the process. If this wasn't Imus and just some schmoe somewhere he'd already be fired and blacklisted. Apology or no career over over a one little tiny stupid comment. And Sharpton wouldn't have him on his show because it wouldn't get him ratings. And Jesse Jackson wouldn't bother with protests because no TV cameras would show up.

[BLZBUBBA]

Maybe Imus should go to satellite. I don't know. Today? He should have known better than to say it on network radio. Double standards? Sure. They're out there but he knows it. He went too far. Pathetic and sad but that's just how it is.
He lost a guy a while back, forget the details, but as this guy was going on with his controversial remarks as Imus was warning him to watch it...watch...watch it. He should have caught himself this time.

Firing him is just crazy-talk though. He's a legend.

But as he admits he owes an apology to the girls on the basketball team and their parents. Beyond that? I don't think he owes anyone anything. And considering his charitable work...I say this country owes him.

[Dan 'Hampton]

It's pathetic that he had to apologize to this extent. The more I think about this the more I get pissed off at Al Sharpton and all the other race baitors that actually are the ones keeping the minorities down. F them all.

[Death Metal Moe]

and now moe hates black people
the circle is complete

That's a 29 year old circle bro.

[Johnny4]

He should have told everyone to go f' themselves. He just learned what happens when you try to make everyone happy, you just make yourself miserable.

[docgoblin]

I've been listening to Imus for 30 years. What he said Wednesday was nothing. I cannot believe it's blown up to this proportion. Imus and his gang have said far worse things than this directly to certain individuals for many years. I'm disgusted that he's now been handcuffed like this because of the rediculous backlash. I'm sure Imus would just throw the radio/TV gig out the window if he didn't rely on those outlets to raise money for his and Diedre's charity work. Not to mention the Ranch for cancer kids, which completely is funded by the generosity of those that listen to or sponsor his show. Now sponsors are talking about pulling out!?!!? This is a f'ing disgrace! Now kids with cancer will lose a wonderful summer camp because Imus used the phrase "nappy haired?" Shame on Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and all the other people who think this is the worst thing that has happened to the race issue. This is so much worse than the young black gentleman who beat the shit out of an old lady, right? Where was Sharpton on that issue?. Nowhere! This is complete BS! I'm disgusted with CBS and NBC that they bowed to this pressure, especially after they made this man grovel over the last 24 hours... This country is F'd!!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

Well then, I don't want to see you upset if and when someone comes after Ron and Fez for a "tongue in cheek" remark they make. If one of these pieces of shit goes by the show during a time that Ron is making black jokes at Earl's expense, they could get offended too. Does this mean you think Ron and Fez should tone it down?

I want FREE SPEECH, not Free Speech up to a point that is defined by some vocal minority.

Moe, from your previous posts, I've gathered that you have a more libertarian view politically, is this correct?

If so, shouldn't major corporations be allowed to restrict speech if it was in their own best interest?

[Death Metal Moe]

Moe, from your previous posts, I've gathered that you have a more libertarian view politically, is this correct?

If so, shouldn't major corporations be allowed to restrict speech if it was in their own best interest?

I honestly don't know if you're trying to bait me or something so I'll just answer your questions at face value.

I don't know anything about what Libertarians believe. I am so turned off by political labels ever since I decompressed myself from Conservative Talk Radio that I just believe what I believe and that's that.

I of course do not believe major corperations should be allowed to restrict speech. The government shouldn't be allowed to restrict free speech. Clowns like Sharpton shouldn't be allowed to restrict free speech. NO ONE has that right in my opinion.

[foodcourtdruide]

I honestly don't know if you're trying to bait me or something so I'll just answer your questions at face value.

I don't know anything about what Libertarians believe. I am so turned off by political labels ever since I decompressed myself from Conservative Talk Radio that I just believe what I believe and that's that.

I of course do not believe major corperations should be allowed to restrict speech. The government shouldn't be allowed to restrict free speech. Clowns like Sharpton shouldn't be allowed to restrict free speech. NO ONE has that right in my opinion.

I'm really not trying to bait you, just kind of understand your beliefs a little more.

I think this is a major problem of a capitalist society. Caplitalism and Democracy don't always go hand-and-hand and this situation is a prime example of that. In this case, we have non-elected leaders making decisions relating to free speech.

All that being said, I completely agree with your statement above.

[BLZBUBBA]

And Imus also helped raise most (or a good chunk) of the money for that high-tech rehab center for disabled vets that just opened in San Antonio.
There's a reason why network TV sucks and the same is happening in radio. Make sure you offend no one, while entertaining no one.

[HBox]

I'm really not trying to bait you, just kind of understand your beliefs a little more.

I think this is a major problem of a capitalist society. Caplitalism and Democracy don't always go hand-and-hand and this situation is a prime example of that. In this case, we have non-elected leaders making decisions relating to free speech.

All that being said, I completely agree with your statement above.

I disagree. Companies have and should have the right to do whatever they like with their airtime. (Whether so many stations should be in the hands of so few companies is a different issue) What you are describing is speech without consequences. You say something bad enough and you should face the consequences, not that this is an example of it. I know I keep saying it in this thread but that's because every time one of these cheap remarks is blown out of proportion the pendulum is swung way too far in the other direction.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I agree with HBox. It's a company's "airwaves" in that they have the right to broadcast on them and if they don't like what they're being used for they have every right to take someone off. It's just said that he's getting bent over for somethign so innocuous that is now being used to better someons political aspirations or pockets.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did we all laugh at O&A doing "My Baby is Black"? Yes.

[burrben]

http://www.petitiononline.com/KeepImus/petition.html

[sailor]

i may possibly be the only one, but what's wrong with saying "you people"? black people are banding together and saying "we black people" are offended by x,y or z. what's the difference?

and i understand the historical context of black-face, but if that is going to be shunned by a polite society, why is the wayans brothers' movie white chicks allowed? if you can have one, you should have the other. or neither. either way, i'd be happy, but it's currently a double standard. can you imagine if will ferrell came out with a movie black chicks?

[sailor]

BUT, what part offended you? what if it was a black radio guy talking aboot some white girls team and called them "straight haired ho's" or "blond haired ho's"? the ho's is the part that would "offend" a friend or family member, but nappy-haired is a straight physical description, not an offensive remark. and you can't go after someone's job (in radio), even if they call your daughter a ho.

patrice stole my straight haired hos line! :)

[Death Metal Moe]

Well that's it. The scumbags have fucking won again. The pieces of shit like Al Sharpton the racist media whore got their way. It's all over for Imus. Now it'll go one of 2 ways:

1. He will be fired in the time he is suspended because of public pressure by racist black leadershit

or

2. He will come back but be so heavily monitored and his show will be so changed that he won't last a year.

For Imus' sake I hope it's option 1 at this point.

Comedy and Freedom of Speech just died a little more this week. I hope that fat cunt Sharpton understand what kind of country he's turning America into.

[Don Stugots]

Well that's it. The scumbags have fucking won again. The pieces of shit like Al Sharpton the racist media whore got their way. It's all over for Imus. Now it'll go one of 2 ways:

1. He will be fired in the time he is suspended because of public pressure by racist black leadershit

or

2. He will come back but be so heavily monitored and his show will be so changed that he won't last a year.

For Imus' sake I hope it's option 1 at this point.

Comedy and Freedom of Speech just died a little more this week. I hope that fat cunt Sharpton understand what kind of country he's turning America into.

He doesn't care what he is turning the country into. Why would he?

THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WINNING and its ok, because to some people Imus is a tool, so that makes it right.

[nevnut]

He doesn't care what he is turning the country into. Why would he?

THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WINNING!

Makes me wanna fuckin' puke!!!

:annoyed:

[PapaBear]

He doesn't care what he is turning the country into. Why would he?

THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WINNING and its ok, because to some people Imus is a tool, so that makes it right.
It's really kind of scary that I'd have to reference Cheap Trick, with anything in life that could possibly be considered relevant, but... with a few words changed....

























Fuck it. Even if I'm wrong to point this out... I think Cheap Trick was pretty damn cool.

[Don Stugots]

It's really kind of scary that I'd have to reference Cheap Trick, with anything in life that could possibly be considered relevant, but... with a few words changed....



Fuck it. Even if I'm wrong to point this out... I think Cheap Trick was pretty damn cool.

they are ok but i was making reference to 1984.

[Don Stugots]

not that it will matter but HTG posted this on her myspace:

Support Imus, Talk Radio EVERYWHERE and Oppose Assholes
Body: Most of you know talk show radio host Imus in the morning has been suspended for using the phrase "nappy headed hos" on his morning talk show.

This is not only rediculous, but SERIOUSLY dangerous.

There are some leaders in the black community calling for him to be fired over this. This is a tremendously dangerous precedent for us as a country. Do we want all radio hosts to be afraid to use humor that might possibly offend someone?

We might as well kiss goodbye all programming that tries to be even remotely provocative including Opie and Anthony, Ron and Fez, Imus, and even people like Howard Strern, Scott Ferrall, Bubba the Love Sponge and countless others.

Please sign this-- its very important:

http://...com/28pcu7

its to support imus and speak out against oversensitive controlling douchbages like Al Sharpton, and cowardly corporations who cave at the slightest provocation.


THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. PLEASE KEEP RADIO AS UNCENSORED AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!

please resend this link and vote in all polls, send emails to show that you will not tolerate this!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18028949/






cut and paste the links and stop being lazy.

[mendyweiss]

Jigaboo is not politically correct ? uh oh.

[PapaBear]

Please sign this-- its very important:

http://...com/28pcu7



OK... I voted in the MSNBC poll, but the link above is bad. I'll sign it, when i get a good link.

[Don Stugots]

Jigaboo is not politically correct ? uh oh.

the jigaboo line was from a movie. i think its from Do the Right thing.

OK... I voted in the MSNBC poll, but the link above is bad. I'll sign it, when i get a good link.

i know and i am working on it. give me a bit.

[sailor]

the jigaboo line was from a movie. i think its from Do the Right thing.

school daze (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096054/quotes)

[Lorn2Booze]

All this shit makes me sick to my stomach. Its disturbing to imagine what "free speech" is gonna be like in 50 years.

[Midkiff]

All this shit makes me sick to my stomach. Its disturbing to imagine what "free speech" is gonna be like in 50 years.

Mandarin Chinese.

[PapaBear]

give me a bit.

Will this bit work for you? (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58698&highlight=pokemon)

Wacka wacka.... :innocent:

[Terry-Two]

I am just so fed up with this censorship bullshit that is going on in this country. Why don't we just outlaw comedy right now? because that is going to be the end result anyway. We are goint to become so censored that the government makes sure that anything that goes out over public airways (and I believe all airwaves eventually, whether subscription or not) has no chance of possibly offending any single group of people, no matter how big or small. It is shameful.

[mdr55]

Send Imus to "rehab" then we'll all forget about it.

Nampy headed cracker.

[reillyluck]

Al Sharpton is a fucking asshole.

Thank you.

[Don Stugots]

Al Sharpton is a fucking asshole.

Thank you.

i wonder if he would get offended by a 5'-2" 110 pound white girl giving him the finger.
:innocent:

[reillyluck]

i wonder if he would get offended by a 5'-2" 110 pound white girl giving him the finger.
:innocent:

I used to work in same building as the Nielson group. Sharpton was protesting. I blew smoke in his phace. Good times.

[reillyluck]

Babeeeeeee!

[AKA]

Little to no sympathy for Imus - one of the biggest hypocites and phonies ever.

It was a dumb comment - it was racist - it was sexist - it wasn't funny, even in the context - and it's a complete non-story. It was no where rearly as offensive as the Greaseman's Lauren Hill "joke." The "you people" comment to Sharpton was actually worse, imo. He should have rode the storm out - took his lumps. He makes too much money for them to fire him; feeding into it over and again isn't helping himself.

[Don Stugots]

Little to no sympathy for Imus - one of the biggest hypocites and phonies ever.

It was a dumb comment - it was racist - it was sexist - it wasn't funny, even in the context - and it's a complete non-story. It was no where rearly as offensive as the Greaseman's Lauren Hill "joke." The "you people" comment to Sharpton was actually worse, imo. He should have rode the storm out - took his lumps. He makes too much money for them to fire him; feeding into it over and again isn't helping himself.

AKA for me, the point isnt if he is an ass or if you like him, sooner or later the thought police will go after something that you do enjoy or someone that you do know and like.

[sailor]

Little to no sympathy for Imus - one of the biggest hypocites and phonies ever.

It was a dumb comment - it was racist - it was sexist - it wasn't funny, even in the context - and it's a complete non-story. It was no where rearly as offensive as the Greaseman's Lauren Hill "joke." The "you people" comment to Sharpton was actually worse, imo. He should have rode the storm out - took his lumps. He makes too much money for them to fire him; feeding into it over and again isn't helping himself.

what's wrong with "you people"? i can't understand some of you people. (people on this board)

[Reephdweller]

I used to work in same building as the Nielson group. Sharpton was protesting. I blew smoke in his phace. Good times.

I didn't think there was a way for me to love you even more, but there you go again!

[Don Stugots]

what's wrong with "you people"? i can't understand some of you people. (people on this board)

sailor does have a point.

[LOAF]

I can't even listen to this crap! Sharpton is the biggest piece of shit. What a fuckin hypocrite, the guy is a racist, plain and simple. And because he is black people sympathize with him. The little "white people are so scared of black people" clip rings so true. Nobody wants to take on sharpton because they are afraid they will be labeled a racist. Its absolutely absurd!

[Terry-Two]

Little to no sympathy for Imus - one of the biggest hypocites and phonies ever.

It was a dumb comment - it was racist - it was sexist - it wasn't funny, even in the context - and it's a complete non-story. It was no where rearly as offensive as the Greaseman's Lauren Hill "joke." The "you people" comment to Sharpton was actually worse, imo. He should have rode the storm out - took his lumps. He makes too much money for them to fire him; feeding into it over and again isn't helping himself.

You, in my opinion are over-sensitive, if you believe the term you people is at all offensive. And, whether you like or hate Imus, you are missing the bigger picture. Every time someone gets in trouble for saying something on the air it sets a new precedent for what is "acceptable". So now that this nappy-headed, fucking leach Sharpton got someone in trouble for a term that does not even specifically single out a race (there are white women on Rutgers as well), it is going to be that much easier to go after the next guy who says something remotely racist. You may not realize it, but every victory for these dickweeds infringes on our free speech in this country.

And I am not singling out Sharpton and the "black leaders" (who are completely holding their people back), I am also talking about the gay activists who can't hear theword fag, the italians who won't let the Sopranos actors march in the Columbus Day parade, et etc.....fuck them all!!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

You, in my opinion are an over-sensitive douche (IMO), if you believe the term you people is at all offensive. And, whether you like or hate Imus, you are missing the bigger picture. Every time someone gets in trouble for saying something on the air it sets a new precedent for what is "acceptable". So now that this nappy-headed, fucking leach Sharpton got someone in trouble for a term that does not even specifically single out a race (there are white women on Rutgers as well), it is going to be that much easier to go after the next guy who says something remotely racist. You may not realize it, but every victory for these dickweeds infringes on our free speech in this country.

And I am not singling out Sharpton and the "black leaders" (who are completely holding their people back), I am also talking about the gay activists who can't hear theword fag, the italians who won't let the Sopranos actors march in the Columbus Day parade, et etc.....fuck them all!!!!

As an adult, you should be able to disagree with someone without insulting them or calling them a name.

[Terry-Two]

As an adult, you should be able to disagree with someone without insulting them or calling them a name.

Then suspend me for two weeks.

[foodcourtdruide]

Then suspend me for two weeks.

What are you talking about?

[Death Metal Moe]

As an adult, you should be able to disagree with someone without insulting them or calling them a name.

And as an adult in America, I should be able to listen to what I want to without some vocal minority ruining it at ever turn.

[Terry-Two]

What are you talking about?

what is wrong with a little name calling? We are all disagreeing with Sharpton and plenty posts on here are calling him names. If there was any offense taken at all to that post, then I apologize to AKA and strike douche from the record. I still think he is over-sensitive though.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I have a problem with people who think that they can indoctrinate what words you can and cannot say in a free society. People who says the term 'you people' cannot be used, which in general is used to refer to ANYONE and RARELY has a racial context- these people are asses. It's funny how we are cow-towing to every little group that has an issue- big or small- so long as they threaten some corporate cash for a limited time. So funny I think I'll fucking cry.

All this bullshit does is make other people dislike the whiners and the people these whiners are trying to represent more and more. I'm sorry, I said the word 'people', am I a racist because I acknowledged that there are different groups in this world with the word 'people'?

[Jujubees2]

And as an adult in America, I should be able to listen to what I want to without some vocal minority ruining it at ever turn.

And that's why satellite radio was invented - free from government regulations!

And this is not so much a Free Speech issue (no one ever said that Imus doesn't have the RIGHT to say what he wants) as it is an issue of WFAN trying to limit the loss of ad revenues by suspending Imus for two weeks. He won't lose his job over this, and if he does, he will be on another station within the month.

And if you are truly a believer in free speech, then Mr. Sharpton has as much right to protest what Imus said as Imus had saying it.

[LilLibra]

This has escalated into madness and the only thing it's done is widen the gap between people. There are things that I commend Sharpton for speaking out on. Truthfully if it weren't for he or Jackson (as ass backwards at they've been at times) the black community wouldn't have any so-called "leaders." No one else has stepped up to the plate.

With that said, it upsets me when Sharpton or Jackson speak on behalf of an entire people for every topic. There are issues I agree with and there are ones I don't. The Imus fiasco is one of those that got blown way out of proportion and it's the average person like myself that has to deal with the effects of what supposed leaders (of any race, actually)say or do.

[zolo6029]

Thank GOD for freedom of speach! Oh wait that dosen't apply to me. I'm a white male.

[Terry-Two]

And that's why satellite radio was invented - free from government regulations!

for now...

[foodcourtdruide]

And as an adult in America, I should be able to listen to what I want to without some vocal minority ruining it at ever turn.

I agree with you. My point before was that you should focus your blame on major corporations that:
1. Bow to these vocal minorities in fear of backlash by advertisers, who are also major corporations.
2. Are headed by non-elected officials that make decisions that would have traditionally been made by a democratically elected government.. in this case free speech.

[Fat_Sunny]

You People In Hymie Town Sure Are Agitated About This!

[Terry-Two]

Sharpton is basically saying that his Heimy-Town slur is different from "NAppy Headed Ho" because blacks are the minority and there are more of them in jail then in prison and jewish people are rich and go to college so his comment isn't holding Jews back, but Imus's does hurt blacks.

[Terry-Two]

I am so disappointed in Artie....

[sailor]

Thank GOD for freedom of speach! Oh wait that dosen't apply to me. I'm a white male.

no, you don't have freedom of speech because you have only 10 posts. ;)

[sailor]

I am so disappointed in Artie....

that would go better in the listening thread, mayhap.

[foodcourtdruide]

Thank GOD for freedom of speach! Oh wait that dosen't apply to me. I'm a white male.

Yes. It's so difficult to be a white male in America. :already forgot how to do the roll eyes thing:

[AKA]

AKA for me, the point isnt if he is an ass or if you like him, sooner or later the thought police will go after something that you do enjoy or someone that you do know and like.

I guess the part of me saying it's a "non story" is being lost on the fact that I admitted that I think he's a douche. First ammendment has been one of my pet issues for 25+ years - I know the drill.

You, in my opinion are over-sensitive, if you believe the term you people is at all offensive.

Eat a dick - Imus is a fucking retard for going onto Sharpton's show in the first place to try and defend himself, and then he made himself look like a detatched old, racist ass talking down to another person. Saying "you people" in the context of an apology sent a clear signal to "those people" that he didn't mean what he was saying - that is why it was much worse.

[BoniMaroni]

I for one am so fucking sick of Americans letting this bullshit go on. How many fucking words are we gonna let various groups of people take away from us? We can't say this word or that word because it makes people feel uncomfortable. Well, who gives a FUCK!!!!! If I'm not mistaken these women on this Rutgers b-ball team are all adults. Its a pretty sad ass world when adults can't say something insensitive to/or about others adults once in awhile. He has been apologizing more for these couple of statements than actual racists that spread there hate speech. Here in this country you are somehow, if you are a member of a hate group such as the KKK, allowed to stand up and use the "N" word as much as they want.

As far as Al Sharpton and these other fucking racists black bastards, they do not speak for the black community what so ever. They are "self appointed" leaders of there people. These groups are always preaching equality but as soon as they see the least little thing to get on TV about they pounce on it. It absolutely makes me sick. I have had two friends of mine die in these past couple of years over in this war, one in Afghanistan the other in Iraq. President Bush always says that they are fighting to maintain our freedom. Freedom of what??? Freedom to be able to sue and throw a fucking fit about complete nonsense, is that what freedom has become in this country? Don Imus has done more for our troops and children with cancer and all sorts of other things than these people will ever even think of doing. He has apologized now fucking get over it!

sorry for the rant but I for one am throwing up in my own mouth!!!!!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/toiletpapercopy.jpg

[El Mudo]

Rutgers news conference going on right now



The fact that this issue has blown up the way it has really makes me sick

[BoniMaroni]

why are these ok?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/WB-2350_f.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/nappy.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/0783137745.jpg

also, some needs to tell some European places that they need to start using the word diaper instead of nappy, because it offends some people.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/static-napisan001.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/REGPREFNAP.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/Pet_Nappy.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/nappyliners.jpghttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/BoniMaroni667/LND200.jpg

[Terry-Two]

I guess the part of me saying it's a "non story" is being lost on the fact that I admitted that I think he's a douche. First ammendment has been one of my pet issues for 25+ years - I know the drill.



Eat a dick - Imus is a fucking retard for going onto Sharpton's show in the first place to try and defend himself, and then he made himself look like a detatched old, racist ass talking down to another person. Saying "you people" in the context of an apology sent a clear signal to "those people" that he didn't mean what he was saying - that is why it was much worse.

Food Court, he's calling me names.....

I never cared for Imus in the least, but that doesn't mean he should be pulled over coals for this crap. And yeah, he meant black people when he said "you people"...what the fuck is wrong with that? He did back down from it and try to cover it up, only because he knew what the result would be in this country that is controlled by an over-sensitive minority......and man was he right, the "you people" comment was on every cover in NYC today.

[foodcourtdruide]

Food Court, he's calling me names.....

I never cared for Imus in the least, but that doesn't mean he should be pulled over coals for this crap. And yeah, he meant black people when he said "you people"...what the fuck is wrong with that? He did back down from it and try to cover it up, only because he knew what the result would be in this country that is controlled by an over-sensitive minority......and man was he right, the "you people" comment was on every cover in NYC today.

Yes he is. This is why you shouldn't have called him a name initially.. the conversation will deteriorate into personal insults.

[Dudeman]

Yes. It's so difficult to be a white male in America. :already forgot how to do the roll eyes thing:


yes. because the hardship white men face in america is the inability to make jokes about black women.

[A.J.]

i wonder if he would get offended by a 5'-2" 110 pound white girl giving him the finger.

He'd call it a hate crime.

[sailor]

where's the ACLU to defend imus' rights?

[drusilla]

i'm listening to the news conference & the coach is just going on forever. i think she started talking about herself for a while. i have no idea what shes saying, i just tuned her out.

[ralphbxny]

Its A Comedy Show! These Stupid People Dont Get It!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

where's the ACLU to defend imus' rights?

Here is the ACLU's ABOUT US off their website:
The American system of government is founded on two counterbalancing principles: that the majority of the people governs, through democratically elected representatives; and that the power even of a democratic majority must be limited, to ensure individual rights.

How does that apply at all to this situation?

[ralphbxny]

i'm listening to the news conference & the coach is just going on forever. i think she started talking about herself for a while. i have no idea what shes saying, i just tuned her out.

I zoned out. Long winded. She should have just said its a comedy show. Dont give this comment to much thought! Our girls know they are great and did a great thing. period end conference.

[DJEvelEd]

I'm coming out of my self-banning to give my support to the I-Man. I now will also be watching EVERY black comedian for any racially insensitive remarks and write letters to complain. I find the words "Whitey" offensive. I don't like it when black comedians put on the fake white guy voice to demean us as a race. If only certain groups can use certain words, then I'm taking back the word "whitey". No non white people should be using the W word!

I'm crawling back under my rock now. Bub Bye...

(FYI: I have tried many times to call in when Mikeyboy was on the air and was hung up on so I have not posted or even listened to Ron & Fez in months. I had to move on because Mikeyboy is worshipped here like a God and I can't respect a coward and anyone who would support a coward and a show that would not even take my phone calls to defend myself after being called a "stalker". I guess I'm no longer a fan...just an FYI for anyone who missed me like lleder & sailor.........C-YA and sorry for the minor de-rail but Ronfez.net is the only site I can post on here at work)

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Yes. It's so difficult to be a white male in America. :already forgot how to do the roll eyes thing:

yes. because the hardship white men face in america is the inability to make jokes about black women.

BUT ANTI BLACK WOMAN JOKES MAKE ME LAUGH WHILE IM CUTTING MY FANCY STEAK THAT I BOUGHT WITH MY BLOOD DIAMOND! :(

[sailor]

Here is the ACLU's ABOUT US off their website:
The American system of government is founded on two counterbalancing principles: that the majority of the people governs, through democratically elected representatives; and that the power even of a democratic majority must be limited, to ensure individual rights.

How does that apply at all to this situation?

are you serious? the ACLU defends people all the time for saying unpopular things; like if someone wants to fire a professor for their political views, or even if the kkk wants to march and people are trying to limit their right to do so. this should be right in their wheel-house.

[K.C.]

Granted...I don't listen to Imus so I didn't hear the context.


But what was the joke he was going for, exactly?

I get the comparing them to the Toronto Raptors part of it...

But what was he going for with the 'nappy-headed hoes' comment? Was it part of a series of jokes, or did he just throw it out there thinking that Imus saying that line in itself would be funny?

[foodcourtdruide]

BUT ANTI BLACK WOMAN JOKES MAKE ME LAUGH WHILE IM CUTTING MY FANCY STEAK THAT I BOUGHT WITH MY BLOOD DIAMOND! :(

lol.

[foodcourtdruide]

are you serious? the ACLU defends people all the time for saying unpopular things; like if someone wants to fire a professor for their political views, or even if the kkk wants to march and people are trying to limit their right to do so. this should be right in their wheel-house.

Right to march and response to the treatment of a professor in a government sponsored state college or university is vastly different from the Imus situation.

[A.J.]

The fact that this issue has blown up the way it has really makes me sick

Are you unfamiliar with the work of Reverends Jackson and Sharpton?

[El Mudo]

Are you unfamiliar with the work of Reverends Jackson and Sharpton?


No I'm not, but its not all Jackson and Sharpton's fault this thing has blown up the way it has....There are like 8 columns right now on ESPN.com about this very issue, and I'm sure it will be on all their shows.

I'm steaming mad about his whole thing

[sailor]

Granted...I don't listen to Imus so I didn't hear the context.


But what was the joke he was going for, exactly?

I get the comparing them to the Toronto Raptors part of it...

But what was he going for with the 'nappy-headed hoes' comment? Was it part of a series of jokes, or did he just throw it out there thinking that Imus saying that line in itself would be funny?

it was part of a small riff about how the women looked thuggish.

[Snacks]

I have been on the fence of this issue but kinds think things went overboard. I never liked Imus, he's not funny. I have watched a couple of his live broadcasts on TV and thought he and his crew were a bunch of assholes. Thats just me. I think what he said was wrong, but he should be allowed to say whatever he wants. I dont know if he hates blacks or not and I dont care. You are Allowed to like or hate anyone you want. You have the right to say whatever you want. People do not have to listen or agree and if enough people dont listen then you wont have a job. I want equality for all people. This also means speech. I do think its a double standard whites can not say anything or never make fun of blacks.

Watch a Black comedian and he will make fun of whites and how we talk , work, live, treat our kids, play sports etc. Whenever a white does the same thing its recist? Sorry no. I think words are just that, words. Sometimes when people call a black a nigger it isnt always because they are racist I think sometimes its said in anger to piss that person off as much as they can. Whats better then that word. I have said it and I have been called a guinea by many blacks, spanish etc. I dont think everyone who called me that is racist against Italians.

Back on track, Imus shouldnt be suspended. The problem comes down to whites for not standing up for the same things that blacks do. Maybe it is white guilt and I understand that b/c society still treats people as shit, its not just blacks anymore thought its actually a class thing now not a race thing. I think next time black comeidan calls a white or even a black person "vanilla" we should ask for them to be suspended. The people to blame here are whites for not speaking out when these things happen to them.

On a side note about race. Baseball did a study that only 8.9% of MLB is black and that blacks need to get back into baseball. I think thats bullshit. Do people think that whites need to be helped to get back into basketball or football? No. Everyone should get the same opertunity to do anything they want. This doesnt mean everyone will choose to do everything equally.

OK Im done.

[keithy_19]

Al Sharpton is a total douchebag and has no credibility in anything he says. He's is one of the most racist people I have ever heard speak. It seems like it gets overlooked because he is a black American targeting whites.

Imus shouldn't have said what he said. Whatever. I don't give a shit about it though. I mean, half the black community would have never heard that statement if the media didn't go parade it around. It's sickening how this really "hurt" people. Suck it up.

[K.C.]

it was part of a small riff about how the women looked thuggish.

eh...it's kind of Greaseman-esque. Even when O&A do the race stuff, they always make sure to frame it in the proper context to be able to defend themselves. Doesn't sound like Imus did.

That said, I agree that a lot of the outrage on this is a lot of media attention whoring by people. Especially when I see Stephen A. Smith on Anderson Cooper railing about it...then I know it's jumped the shark.

He definitely shouldn't be fired, and I'm not sure if he should have even been suspended. If MSNBC and WFAN wanted him to, they should have forced him to apologize and ended it with that.

Let the people decide...if they stop listening to him, he'll go away.

Imus's biggest problem, and the reason the media circus around this has grown so large is because he deals so much with politicians on a daily basis and they're the absolute best at attention whoring on this type of thing.

[Arch Stanton]

Imus is a smart fella. He is taking this ride as far as it goes.

[sailor]

eh...it's kind of Greaseman-esque. Even when O&A do the race stuff, they always make sure to frame it in the proper context to be able to defend themselves. Doesn't sound like Imus did.

That said, I agree that a lot of the outrage on this is a lot of media attention whoring by people. Especially when I see Stephen A. Smith on Anderson Cooper railing about it...then I know it's jumped the shark.

He definitely shouldn't be fired, and I'm not sure if he should have even been suspended. If MSNBC and WFAN wanted him to, they should have forced him to apologize and ended it with that.

Let the people decide...if they stop listening to him, he'll go away.

Imus's biggest problem, and the reason the media circus around this has grown so large is because he deals so much with politicians on a daily basis and they're the absolute best at attention whoring on this type of thing.

o&a say worse stuff everyday, not that they should get in trouble either. people like to protest (all people from all groups). i don't know if anyone who is protesting is a listener of his show. i would be surprised if they were actually.

[Dougie Brootal]

Can anyone take a joke anymore?


no.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Exempting Arch's theory, which I like, I think the major problem is that Imus buckled immediately and apologized. As much as I hate her guts, take a page from Anne Coulter's book (preferably torn off at a bookstore and shat on) when it comes to dealing with these kind of accusations. "Fuck you, I'm not sorry", it gives them far less leverage over you. They're just going to lord over this guy as much as possible because he's opened himself up to them.

It might be part of a greater plan by Imus, as Arch suggests, it might not be. All I know is, I never thought of nappy being a racial slur but now I'm more inclined to use it, just to defy everyone who's throwing such a fit over this inane comment.

[K.C.]

o&a say worse stuff everyday, not that they should get in trouble either. people like to protest (all people from all groups). i don't know if anyone who is protesting is a listener of his show. i would be surprised if they were actually.

I agree...but the difference is they know how to frame it properly to get away with it. For whatever reason, a lot of people don't understand the guy was trying to make a joke, which means he probably did a poor job of conveying it or else that would be his #1 defense.

It sounds to me like he is a bit at fault...but at the same time, people go WAY over the top with how to deal with it. I'm very nervous when people wanted someone fired, essentially in the name of censorship.

It should be up to his employers...if they want him to apologize, he should, and that should be the end of it.

As for people listening, I would actually say that some of the people outraged probably do listen to his show. Imus is fairly popular in political and media circles...that's really where his show has gone over the last few years.

[Snacks]

Exempting Arch's theory, which I like, I think the major problem is that Imus buckled immediately and apologized. As much as I hate her guts, take a page from Anne Coulter's book (preferably torn off at a bookstore and shat on) when it comes to dealing with these kind of accusations. "Fuck you, I'm not sorry", it gives them far less leverage over you. They're just going to lord over this guy as much as possible because he's opened himself up to them.

It might be part of a greater plan by Imus, as Arch suggests, it might not be. All I know is, I never thought of nappy being a racial slur but now I'm more inclined to use it, just to defy everyone who's throwing such a fit over this inane comment.

I hate Ann Coulter but she may be right on this. The people that dont say they are sorry seem to have things dropped (usually) Look at the sports broadcaster who said "fag" he came on tv said its a word with many meanings and that he wasnt sorry and WILL say it again. Since then its been dropped and not discussed anymore.

[Bulldogcakes]

Results from the MSNBC poll

He should be fired -- there's no excuse for what he said 32%

The two-week suspension is enough 30%

A suspension is too much. He's a shock jock, this is what he's paid for 38%

Thats over 2/3 of Americans who think he should stay.
To be honest, I'm surprised he's doing so well. The people who seem most offended by his remarks are usually people NOT fimiliar with his show. And I would think that would be the majority of Americans, he only gets about 4 million listeners a week.
To be clear, I think he should apologize and serve his two weeks and thats it. The reason why this is different is he didn't attack a high profile "public" personality (Hillary Clinton/Gwen Ifel/Howard Kurtz) this time, he attacked a group of girls who are "civilians" so to speak. And as we all learned in 3rd grade, you cant play rough with the girls like you do with the guys. So just serve the suspension and forget it.

I'd also tell some people to learn how to take a joke, but that's a lost cause.

[TheMojoPin]

The next person that cires that this has anything to do with "free speech" in terms of the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or anything along those lines is a complete idiot whose knowledge of how those documents actually work is an embarassment.

Secondly, I love how Al Sharpton being a publicity-hogging hypocrite somehow makes it OK to pretend like what was said on Imus' show is potentially offensive to a LOT of people.

Thirdly, what we're seeing right now are actions between private citizens on privately owned corporations. This has nothing to do with the government. This has nothing to do with the ACLU. Stop tossing out these random trains of thought that are so woefully incorrect and flat out stupid.

Are a lot of people being getting a lot angrier over this than they should? I don't know. Tossing out something like "jigaboo" in the context it was used is just retarded. I have little sympathy for morons. It would be one thing if this was all just over the "nappy-headed" bit...I don't know, I'm just depressed that it seems like it takes the possible loss of the "right" to be a racist douchebag, joke or not, is one of the few things that's people riled up over anything. I have no idea why it's so baffling that a word like that being used like that on a national forum is going to be incredibly insulting to a huge part of this population. And then people start crying about how "nobody gets jokes," as if all the best humor is somehow hinged on clumsy and moronic racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever slurs. "Look at how racist Al Sharpton! Listen to that black comedian making fun of white people!" Yeah, they sound like idiots. So the way to "get back" at them is to try and sound as stupid as they do? Man, that makes a LOT of sense.

Fuck Don Imus. His stupidity is meaningless.

[AgnosticJihad]

I disagree. Companies have and should have the right to do whatever they like with their airtime. (Whether so many stations should be in the hands of so few companies is a different issue) What you are describing is speech without consequences. You say something bad enough and you should face the consequences, not that this is an example of it. I know I keep saying it in this thread but that's because every time one of these cheap remarks is blown out of proportion the pendulum is swung way too far in the other direction.

Technically, the airwaves belong to the people, not corporations, but the bullshit politicians bowed to big money and handed them over so some rich fuck could get even richer and make our society even more shallow and consumerist than it already was. Seeing as how the airwaves belong to us, we should decide what is broadcast, not radio companies, advertisers, or the fucking FCC. According to the poll Don Stugots linked earlier, the majority of those voting felt he shouldn't be punished at all, so leave the man alone. And I know Imus is much older than me, but I've never heard the term "nappy-hair" used by anyone but black people, so I can totally believe if Imus had no idea the term had racist undertones.

[TheMojoPin]

OK, I'll freely admit I'm not following this very closesly. Is the uproar really over the "nappy hair" comment? I thought the big deal was over the "jigaboo" line. The latter is a racist slur...the former is just a descriptive term.

That said, this still has nothing to do with "free speech" until the government steps in.

[underdog]

OK, I'll freely admit I'm not following this very closesly. Is the uproar really over the "nappy hair" comment? I thought the big deal was over the "jigaboo" line. The latter is a racist slur...the former is just a descriptive term.

That said, this still has nothing to do with "free speech" until the government steps in.

I'm pretty sure its the nappy headed ho line. The jigaboo line wasn't even said by Imus, and was said as, "its the jigaboos vs the wannabes, like in that Spike Lee movie". It wasn't an original thought or line.

And the only reason there's any sort of uproar is because Al Sharpton won't let it go out of the news. He's trying to keep his name in the paper for as long as possible.

[AgnosticJihad]

OK, I'll freely admit I'm not following this very closesly. Is the uproar really over the "nappy hair" comment? I thought the big deal was over the "jigaboo" line. The latter is a racist slur...the former is just a descriptive term.

That said, this still has nothing to do with "free speech" until the government steps in.

It's the nappy-hair comment. I've not yet heard a thing about the jigaboo line.

[TheMojoPin]

It's the nappy-hair comment. I've not yet heard a thing about the jigaboo line.

OK, then this is just retarded. Nappy-haired is just nappy-haired, Imus still sucks, and this still has nothing to do with "free speech."

[Bulldogcakes]

OK, then this is just retarded. Nappy-haired is just nappy-haired, Imus still sucks, and this still has nothing to do with "free speech."

You're right, but you're overstating your case. If you want to be consistent on the principle of free speech, you can defend it in this case even though it has nothing to do with the government. The principle of "Defending speech even when you disagree with it or don't like it" still applies here, and it can be used when aimed at the people calling for his firing. They need to understand that embracing free speech for all will include stuff that offends you personally. You cant have a double standard. Though I know that most of the people throwing around the term "free speech" have no idea what they're talking about. But I think what they fear is even MORE restrictions on terrestrial radio as a result of this, and I think that concern is VERY well founded in the consolidated corporate universe of free radio these days.

There HAS been something positive that's come out of this, and its that were having a national debate on race, and maybe some people on both sides are understanding each other better as a result of this, especially given Imus' demo (49-up). Which are some of the people who need to have this discussion the most. To fire him now would just end the debate, dividing people further and give the Imus defenders another "Jimmy the Greek" to be bitter about till the day they die.

[BoondockSaint]

I'm outraged at all the people who are outraged over the outrage.

[Don Stugots]

OK, then this is just retarded. Nappy-haired is just nappy-haired, Imus still sucks, and this still has nothing to do with "free speech."

it does when people are not allowed to say what they want with out this bullshit coming up. TV, radio, books, etc do not need to be watered down for the masses. PC is not the way to be.

[Captain Rooster]

I feel bad for comedians everywhere--black, white, etc...

[lleeder]

I feel bad for comedians everywhere--black, white, etc...

Its so true. Now no one will want to do anything new or boundry pushing. Comedy is gonna be a faint memory of what was.

[TheMojoPin]

it does when people are not allowed to say what they want with out this bullshit coming up. TV, radio, books, etc do not need to be watered down for the masses. PC is not the way to be.

None of which actually has anything to do with "free speech" as we think of it when it comes to the Bill of Rights. This ultimately boils down to an issue between citizens and enterprise. Contrary to what BDC says, this isn't some kind of double standard. If people want to get pissed off because they think someone is being overly sensitive, go ahead...but it's just pretty much the same thing as the people who got pissed over what was said in the first place.

Nobody is actually forcing Imus or the companies that pay him to apologize or suspend him or anything...they're choosing to. Despite any pressure from boycotts or protests, there's been nothing done or said that makes it NECESSARY for them to suspend Imus. There's been choice involved in every step of the process.

Look, I can't stand Imus just because he's an unfunny hack and has been since before I was born. I also can't stand people like Al Sharpton and how he's turned legitimate issues over civil rights and racism into a complete joke. That said, in no way is "free speech" as promised to American citizens by the government being threatened here.

And the idea that "edgy comedy" is somehow at risk is obviously not the case since Imus and "edgy comedy" have nothing to do with each other.

[Don Stugots]

well, then lets agree to disagree. "Edgy" anything is at risk not just comedy. Movies, books, TV, you name it. Sharpton has bastardized civil rights issues as well as anything else he touches.

[Dudeman]

i'm looking forward to the picture of the college-age, national championship runner-up basketball team next to the old, worn-down Imus.

[TheMojoPin]

well, then lets agree to disagree. "Edgy" anything is at risk not just comedy. Movies, books, TV, you name it. Sharpton has bastardized civil rights issues as well as anything else he touches.

If you're worried specifically about Sharpton, this case is an example of why you shouldn't be. He picks his "battles" very carefully...namely with people and issues that he knows he's gonna get a minimum fight over. Sharpton is too comfy doing what he does to go after anything legitimately "edgy." The only people he's a danger is his own since he's made racism and racial issues such a joke whenever he gets near them.

[sailor]

what we're seeing right now are actions between private citizens on privately owned corporations. This has nothing to do with the government. This has nothing to do with the ACLU. Stop tossing out these random trains of thought that are so woefully incorrect and flat out stupid.

well, as i'm the one who brought up the aclu question, it's obvious i'm the one you consider "flat out stupid." it's not necessary to insult to get your point across.

from the aclu website:
"Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are 'offensive,' happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups."

"The Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment's protection of artistic expression very broadly. It extends not only to books, theatrical works and paintings, but also to posters, television, music videos and comic books -- whatever the human creative impulse produces."

even if i am wrong (likely, as i am often "woefully incorrect") i don't think it was unreasonable to ask why the aclu didn't step up and get involved on some level. this is censorship, as a private pressure group is imposing their morals on others. the government does NOT have to be involved for censorship to take place.

[Don Stugots]

If you're worried specifically about Sharpton, this case is an example of why you shouldn't be. He picks his "battles" very carefully...namely with people and issues that he knows he's gonna get a minimum fight over. Sharpton is too comfy doing what he does to go after anything legitimately "edgy." The only people he's a danger is his own since he's made racism and racial issues such a joke whenever he gets near them.

today it is him, next week some PTA group, then some right wing born again group. it will never end and will only get worse. One day soon Catcher in The Rye will be tossed into a barrel with flames coming out of it burning up next to a Carlin Album. wait for it....

[keithy_19]

One day soon Catcher in The Rye will be tossed into a barrel with flames coming out of it burning up next to a Carlin Album. wait for it...

That's alright. I never liked that book. Holden seemed like such a fag to me, which is why teenage girls think he's the perfect guy ever, even though he is entirely made up and a pussy.

It would be ironic if they burned Fahrenheit 451.

[TheMojoPin]

well, as i'm the one who brought up the aclu question, it's obvious i'm the one you consider "flat out stupid." it's not necessary to insult to get your point across.

from the aclu website:
"Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are 'offensive,' happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups."

"The Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment's protection of artistic expression very broadly. It extends not only to books, theatrical works and paintings, but also to posters, television, music videos and comic books -- whatever the human creative impulse produces."

even if i am wrong (likely, as i am often "woefully incorrect") i don't think it was unreasonable to ask why the aclu didn't step up and get involved on some level. this is censorship, as a private pressure group is imposing their morals on others. the government does NOT have to be involved for censorship to take place.

Right, but people are specifically wailing and gnashing their teeth about "free speech" and posting pitcures of the Constitution as toilet paper, implying that somehow the 1st Ammendment was being violated here, and no matter how anyone tries to dress it up, it's not. In my opinion, the understanding of how that and pretty much the entire Bill of Rights works has gone from ignorant to willfully ignorant. People only care about it when they want to get outraged over something seemingly without bothering to understand just what they're specifically outraged about. It's an exceedingly simple concept and the its constant misuse and misunderstanding is a massive pet peeve of mine. I never said that this wasn't censorship...censorship isn't exclusive to being inflicted by a government or ruling body. I've been saying that this is not an issue of his 1st Ammendment rights being violated.

The ACLU is there if Imus and co. want their help. They can't force wheezy ol' Imus to do whatever they want. So far, everything that has transpired in this mess has been between citizens and private companies. If anyone wants the ACLU on their side, they're right there.

The notion of what's insulting/wrong/etc. has constantly evolved in this country since its birth. I just don't see the "PC movement" or the "pussification of America" as something that's suddenly showed up out of nowhere. It's part of not having a stagnant sociological structure. Our society has always changed and adapted to maintain a general sense of "freedom" and will continue to do so.

[who6489]

Check this out.......
I was talking to a couple of my old buds that I used to work with at Cablevision in NJ recently and they were telling me that the company now has a "zero tollerance" policy when it comes to racial slurs. OK, fine BUT..................

A few months ago 2 of my old supervisors (1 black & 1 hispanic) were talkin' on the phone with each other at work, discussin' business and life. The hispanic guy said within' the conversation, something to the effect of ".....yeah, well, you black guys are lazy anyway...."
He was on speaker, someone overheard (nosey bastard) and reported him. Long story short, he got fired!
Sounds like he got what he deserved right? WRONG!!!!
These 2 guys have been friends for years! Going to Yankees games, BBQ's, etc.
The black supervisor defended his friend and co-worker, saying it was joke, and he was not offended, and that the person who reported it should mind their own damn business!
Needless to say, it didn't matter. This guy was with the company for years, done a good job (to my knowledge) and this is what happens! BULLSHIT!!!!

So... take your P.C. crap, and shove straight up your unfunny ass !!

:furious:

[TheMojoPin]

Check this out.......
I was talking to a couple of my old buds that I used to work with at Cablevision in NJ recently and they were telling me that the company now has a "zero tollerance" policy when it comes to racial slurs. OK, fine BUT..................

A few months ago 2 of my old supervisors (1 black & 1 hispanic) were talkin' on the phone with each other at work, discussin' business and life. The hispanic guy said within' the conversation, something to the effect of ".....yeah, well, you black guys are lazy anyway...."
He was on speaker, someone overheard (nosey bastard) and reported him. Long story short, he got fired!
Sounds like he got what he deserved right? WRONG!!!!
These 2 guys have been friends for years! Going to Yankees games, BBQ's, etc.
The black supervisor defended his friend and co-worker, saying it was joke, and he was not offended, and that the person who reported it should mind their own damn business!
Needless to say, it didn't matter. This guy was with the company for years, done a good job (to my knowledge) and this is what happens! BULLSHIT!!!!

So... take your P.C. crap, and shove straight up your unfunny ass !!

:furious:

The guy should have had a chance to explain himself, but it's not like it's someone else's fault for hearing something that's on speaker phone.

And is it really "PC" to just not like blatantly racist comments, joke or not? Since when did it become wrong to not like that shit? Seriously, why should I have to just sit back and take it if it's in my face?

[who6489]

The guy should have had a chance to explain himself, but it's not like it's someone else's fault for hearing something that's on speaker phone.

And is it really "PC" to just not like blatantly racist comments, joke or not? Since when did it become wrong to not like that shit? Seriously, why should I have to just sit back and take it if it's in my face?

He DID have a chance! He was defended by the very man who it was said to! I do agree that it should not have been on speaker. I'll give you that.
As for the person who heard it... they don't know, which means the office door was closed. Again, nosey bastard! They're listening in on a conversation behind closed doors!

As for blatantly racist comments..... NO, you should NOT like it. But you also shouldn't go run to mommy and tattle on someone you had no business with to begin with! Back to "behind closed doors" again.
My P.C. comment is in general. Nobody can say ANYTHING without offending someone.

"I don't like apple pie"
"That's un-american! Your a commie!"

My point is this....
If you're with a group of people and say something offensive, then yeah, you're an idiot.
If you overhear something in a private conversation, you should either keep your mouth shut, OR talk to the person you overheard and get the facts.

[foodcourtdruide]

well, as i'm the one who brought up the aclu question, it's obvious i'm the one you consider "flat out stupid." it's not necessary to insult to get your point across.

from the aclu website:
"Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are 'offensive,' happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups."

"The Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment's protection of artistic expression very broadly. It extends not only to books, theatrical works and paintings, but also to posters, television, music videos and comic books -- whatever the human creative impulse produces."

even if i am wrong (likely, as i am often "woefully incorrect") i don't think it was unreasonable to ask why the aclu didn't step up and get involved on some level. this is censorship, as a private pressure group is imposing their morals on others. the government does NOT have to be involved for censorship to take place.

No one ever debates me :(

Well anyway, I'll just interrupt. I think the best part of your argument is the "private pressure groups" part of the first paragraph.

However, I don't know what they mean by private pressure groups. Is Al Sharpton organizing a protest or calling for Imus to get fired on his radio show a "private pressure group"? Seems like vague rhetoric the ACLU uses to get around this very debate :)

[TheMojoPin]

He DID have a chance! He was defended by the very man who it was said to! I do agree that it should not have been on speaker. I'll give you that.
As for the person who heard it... they don't know, which means the office door was closed. Again, nosey bastard! They're listening in on a conversation behind closed doors!

As for blatantly racist comments..... NO, you should NOT like it. But you also shouldn't go run to mommy and tattle on someone you had no business with to begin with! Back to "behind closed doors" again.
My P.C. comment is in general. Nobody can say ANYTHING without offending someone.

"I don't like apple pie"
"That's un-american! Your a commie!"

My point is this....
If you're with a group of people and say something offensive, then yeah, you're an idiot.
If you overhear something in a private conversation, you should either keep your mouth shut, OR talk to the person you overheard and get the facts.

You said this happened at work, right?

Between friends or not, how hard is it to keep stuff that can obviously be taken as being incredibly racist (and I don't think it's a stretch for people overhearing such a thing to at least initially think that) out of the workplace? I hate to be blunt, but that's just common sense, since when one is at work there are a lot of other people around who aren't necessarily sharing the sense of humor or going to want to hear something as racist as that in ANY context at their place of business. Rmember, the people that over hear it work their, too. It's not like they're doing anything wrong if they expect to be able to come to work and not have to hear that...whether they were actually part of the conversation is ultimately moot...in another office, around the corner, over the phone...people shouldn't have to worry about trying to figure out the context or the "humor" with that kind of stuff.

Again, it sounds like the guy got a raw deal being fired, but he did ultimately make a very poor choice tossing that out, even as a joke, in the workplace. As a specific example, that's a pretty far cry from people not being able to say "anything." Whether people want to admit it or not, racist content, humor or otherwise, is not the accepted norm once one gets out of their circle of friends and family that they KNOW don't mind it. I don't understand why this seems like such a radical concept. I'm not saying we all need to make believe like we're all lovey-dovey and everything is fine...but why do people act like their way of life is being crippled because others REALLY don't like racist being tossed at them. With a something like Imus, I can just do what I've always done...I can turn him off. But why is acted like expecting the people you deal with in everyday situations to have a little self control and common sense is such a horrible thing? Sure, I could run around screaming "FUCK YOUR FAT MOTHER" to everyone I see, and some people might find it hilarious, but that doesn't make it right. A lot of people will be insulted or pissed off, and rightfully so.

[Doogie]

In my opinion, the understanding of how that and pretty much the entire Bill of Rights works has gone from ignorant to willfully ignorant. People only care about it when they want to get outraged over something seemingly without bothering to understand just what they're specifically outraged about. It's an exceedingly simple concept and the its constant misuse and misunderstanding is a massive pet peeve of mine. I never said that this wasn't censorship...censorship isn't exclusive to being inflicted by a government or ruling body. I've been saying that this is not an issue of his 1st Ammendment rights being violated.

The ACLU is there if Imus and co. want their help. They can't force wheezy ol' Imus to do whatever they want. So far, everything that has transpired in this mess has been between citizens and private companies. If anyone wants the ACLU on their side, they're right there.

The notion of what's insulting/wrong/etc. has constantly evolved in this country since its birth. I just don't see the "PC movement" or the "pussification of America" as something that's suddenly showed up out of nowhere. It's part of not having a stagnant sociological structure. Our society has always changed and adapted to maintain a general sense of "freedom" and will continue to do so.

I have to agree with you on this part, and I took a little while to scroll through all 7 pages of this argument to see some level headed thinking. Imus would need to pursue actions against his freedom of speech being violated. Technically, it hasnt been violated. He was able to say what he said, and if there were true "censorship" it would have of been dumped out. Then it would be grounds for everyone to get all up in arms with the pictures. But as of right now, he has been fighting this off by himself (for the most part, I am sure there are plenty behind the scenes helping him) and I think he has done a decent job of explaining himself.

But as old Ben Franklin once said at the time of the American Revolution and how passions drown out sensibility: "Passion governs, and it never governs wisely." And right now, everyones passions are inflammed without fulling understanding why. If Imus did pursue the help of the ACLU, I am sure that they would help. But as Mojo has stated, and quite correctly I might add, this whole issue comes down between private citizens and enterprise. The government isnt taking actions against Imus, but rather it is CBS that has taken action against Imus. And I am sure that many of us have fucked up, even a lil bit, at our jobs in our lives that it seems like we will get fired. Imus is in that position right now. He fucked up and his job is on the line, but it is on the line from a private company that has standards and practices which they felt were violated.

This is a concept that does get many pissed off cause it does seem to be a violation of free speech. But how much free speech does one really have when at work?? And that is an honest and legitimate question. Now I dont mean the guy with "balls" at work to say "whatever he feels like saying" nor the flippant receptionist who is sassy. I am sure that many of you have to turn around and watch what you are saying before you say something. How free is that?? But lets face the facts that is something that you signed up for in this world. Do a lot of these companies standards and practices suck dick, yes. And it does seem to create more problems than it is worth it.

But as long as they dont force you to do anything that is a violation of the law, and provide you with an environment that isnt life threatening (cops and fireman exempted from this category of course), they are allowed to create laws that 'limit' what you can and cant say. Can you have the right to argue with them and say this is ridiculous, sure. Yet it ultimately is a sign of the times. And I am sure there were standards and practices in the Victorian age America that enraged a lot of people, but you could choose not to work under such conditions.

Now speaking from a personal point of view. I think Imus was wrong to even apologize in the first place. Not because I think he didnt do anything wrong, but rather because it would open himself up to this firestorm. Was it a somewhat stupid comment, ehhhh that is for all to debate, but when you show an opponent ANY sign of weakness they go for the kill. And that is what he did. He showed a weakness and his opponent teed off on him like he was a slow pitch machine. Ohhh well, these are the consequences he has to deal with now as a result. Speaking on an even further point of view, I dont work for a job that has limits like that cause I personally cant handle that type of shit. It is a choice that I have made for myself and I am happy with where I am and what I can do. I dont have to worry about the type of shit that a lot of people do. Que serar serar.

To wrap up, if Imus wants to pursue some 1st amendment violations he would have, or will. Should he be fired over this, no. Do I think the suspension is excessive, yes. But I also think that there are far worse things happening in the world and needed to perouse the news sites to see what other lil ditty is happening in the world as we focus on another bullshit issue.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, you really are just like Doogie-Wan. So awesome...

[who6489]

You said this happened at work, right?

Between friends or not, how hard is it to keep stuff that can obviously be taken as being incredibly racist (and I don't think it's a stretch for people overhearing such a thing to at least initially think that) out of the workplace? I hate to be blunt, but that's just common sense, since when one is at work there are a lot of other people around who aren't necessarily sharing the sense of humor or going to want to hear something as racist as that in ANY context at their place of business.AGREED Remember, the people that over hear it work their, too. It's not like they're doing anything wrong if they expect to be able to come to work and not have to hear that...whether they were actually part of the conversation is ultimately moot...in another office, around the corner, over the phone...people shouldn't have to worry about trying to figure out the context or the "humor" with that kind of stuff. Yeah, I guess. but the person that overheard should have still confronted the guy on the phone first.

Again, it sounds like the guy got a raw deal being fired, but he did ultimately make a very poor choice tossing that out, even as a joke, in the workplace. As a specific example, that's a pretty far cry from people not being able to say "anything." Whether people want to admit it or not, racist content, humor or otherwise, is not the accepted norm once one gets out of their circle of friends and family that they KNOW don't mind it. I don't understand why this seems like such a radical concept. I'm not saying we all need to make believe like we're all lovey-dovey and everything is fine...but why do people act like their way of life is being crippled because others REALLY don't like racist being tossed at them. With a something like Imus, I can just do what I've always done...I can turn him off. But why is acted like expecting the people you deal with in everyday situations to have a little self control and common sense is such a horrible thing? Sure, I could run around screaming "FUCK YOUR FAT MOTHER" to everyone I see, and some people might find it hilarious, but that doesn't make it right. A lot of people will be insulted or pissed off, and rightfully so.

Fair enough. I just don't remember people being so sensitive. Again, in the workplace, yeah bad decision.
You do bring up good points, and for that I thank you MOJO

[SatCam]

The real people who should be offended are the nappy headed hos around the world who were compared to the Rutgers basketball team

[BLZBUBBA]

Have you ever lost a co-worker due to a racial slur? Happened where I work...at least once. An old guy dropped an N-bomb jokingly. He got sacked. Odd thing was it wasn't the black person that ran to personnel to report him. It was a Spanish guy he was having a problem with that overheard it. And management, perhaps seeing the opportunity to get rid of some old wood, fired him.

My point? It's not just radio. Not by a long shot. I'm hearing all the back and forth about Imus getting screwed but we all have to deal with it each day. We say Imus is a victim (or not), but we all run that risk. I'd say the average person is more a victim of this sort of thing than Imus. He makes his living talking. I don't but I feel I have to watch it just as much as him...maybe even more.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The N-Word, joke or not, has no place in the workplace. he was deservedly fired.

In this realm of lawsuits, "uncomfortable work enviroments", etc, you have to watch what you say.

If someone said what Imus said in the workplace, they are looking at a suspension or firing.

[BoondockSaint]

Fantastic article (http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001) on the situation by Jason Whitlock.

[Bulldogcakes]

Now speaking from a personal point of view. I think Imus was wrong to even apologize in the first place. Not because I think he didnt do anything wrong, but rather because it would open himself up to this firestorm. Was it a somewhat stupid comment, ehhhh that is for all to debate, but when you show an opponent ANY sign of weakness they go for the kill. And that is what he did. He showed a weakness and his opponent teed off on him like he was a slow pitch machine. Ohhh well, these are the consequences he has to deal with now as a result.

I'm glad somebody posted this, because I've been thinking the exact same thing since the minute he started groveling. He actually now has a MUCH harder case tp prove, trying to PROVE that he's NOT a racist. Law School 101 (or Politics) its difficult to prove your own innocence, much easier to attack your opponent. Especially for a guy with his track record, all of it recorded.

He would have stood a better chance standing his ground with his initial reaction. Which was "Fuck you if you cant take a joke". Now that he's on the groveling tour, his initial reaction on air works against him. It says he really doesn't care, but his bosses leaned on him so he changed his tune and now he's trying to play catch up. He's taken himself OUT of the drivers seat and put Al Sharpton and the Rutgers coach in it. These are not unbiased observers on race matters. Knowing Al Sharpton's M.O., and judging by the coach's speech the other day, he has no shot.


Plus his advertisers are leaving him in droves (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyid=2007-04-11T210831Z_01_N10415025_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-RACE-IMUS-ADS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22)

I didn't think he'd be fired yesterday, I do today.

[Ritalin]

From Michael Wilbon's column today in the Washington Post:

Imus is the one who said in 1995 of Gwen Ifill, an accomplished, award-winning black journalist of incredible dignity and grace: "Isn't the [New York] Times wonderful. . . . It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House."

It's Imus who called William C. Rhoden, the veteran Times sports columnist, "a quota hire." Of course, the work, accomplishments or stature of their targets do not matter to Imus and his stooges. He makes fun of former attorney general Janet Reno's Parkinson's disease.

So "nappy-headed hos" wasn't some weak moment of great exception on the Imus show. In 1997, during a "60 Minutes" profile, Mike Wallace confronted Imus and a former producer who quoted Imus as saying he'd hired a staffer to "do nigger jokes." When I mentioned that earlier this week on ESPN's Pardon the Interruption, Imus responded on his show that it simply did not happen -- though I see it in a 2000 issue of the Columbia Journalism Review and had a producer access it through a transcript (also the audio version) on National Public Radio.

Wallace: "You've told Tom Anderson, the producer, in your car coming home that Bernard McGuirk is there to do nigger jokes.'"

Imus: "Well, I've . . . I never use that word."

Wallace: "Tom?"

Tom Anderson: "I'm right here."

Imus: "Did I use that word?

Anderson: "I recall you using that word."

Imus: "Oh, okay, well then I used that word, but I mean . . . of course that was an off-the-record conversation . . ."

Wallace: "The hell it was."

[burrben]

so now imus is off MSNBC. I say fuck MSNBC.


let's boycott MSNBC

and obama wants imus to be fired.

i say fuck him too

[SatCam]

Sounds like he messed with the wrong nappy headed hos

[burrben]

it sucks because that's the only way i could listen to him

[Ritalin]

it sucks because that's the only way i could listen to him

Did you ever try the WFAN webstream?

[dolemyte]

Ehh..for what its worth...Im looking at this from a few perspectives: Male, black, and a lover of media (I was too lazy to do anything in college besides watch movies and write papers about them)

I dont think he should be fired first and foremost...

Was i offended by the comment? Yea, for a split second (reactionary) but i know the show, i know morning radio so i basically shrugged it off...

Dude appologizing originally was quite enough IMO... No need to grovel to Sharpton (who incidentally, is not a black 'leader' no matter how much the media paints it that way...)

Shit has been blown way out of proportion and the only issue i have (other than these fake ass leaders) is the new crusade to say ' Hey BLACKS need to worry about blah blah, rather than worry about Imus. This mentality (granted its more on places like wackbag) is demeaning in sooo many ways, coming from non blacks... Dont assume that the loudest ppl like Sharpton speaks for any percentage of blacks... Hell im black and i cant speak for us...

i get it, these guys call wolf and alot of ppl are fed up. i am as a media person and black person... but id hate for the issue to be compounded by criticizing a whole group of people to make you feel better about the situation...

Sorry for the rant, but reading some posts at wackbag have gotten to me....

[burrben]

Did you ever try the WFAN webstream?

at home i have dialup, so i can't. it sucks because i can't listen to the Ron & Fez Free FM then either

[badorties]

MSNBC drops simulcast of Don Imus show (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17999196/)

[celery]

www.nappyho.com

[PapaBear]

MSNBC drops simulcast of Don Imus show (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17999196/)
So fucking stupid.

[Bulldogcakes]

From Michael Wilbon's column today in the Washington Post:

Imus is the one who said in 1995 of Gwen Ifill, an accomplished, award-winning black journalist of incredible dignity and grace: "Isn't the [New York] Times wonderful. . . . It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House."

It's Imus who called William C. Rhoden, the veteran Times sports columnist, "a quota hire." Of course, the work, accomplishments or stature of their targets do not matter to Imus and his stooges. He makes fun of former attorney general Janet Reno's Parkinson's disease.

So "nappy-headed hos" wasn't some weak moment of great exception on the Imus show. In 1997, during a "60 Minutes" profile, Mike Wallace confronted Imus and a former producer who quoted Imus as saying he'd hired a staffer to "do nigger jokes." When I mentioned that earlier this week on ESPN's Pardon the Interruption, Imus responded on his show that it simply did not happen -- though I see it in a 2000 issue of the Columbia Journalism Review and had a producer access it through a transcript (also the audio version) on National Public Radio.

Wallace: "You've told Tom Anderson, the producer, in your car coming home that Bernard McGuirk is there to do nigger jokes.'"

Imus: "Well, I've . . . I never use that word."

Wallace: "Tom?"

Tom Anderson: "I'm right here."

Imus: "Did I use that word?

Anderson: "I recall you using that word."

Imus: "Oh, okay, well then I used that word, but I mean . . . of course that was an off-the-record conversation . . ."

Wallace: "The hell it was."

And Bernard, Charles McCord and the producer all wish he would drop dead every 5 minutes, they say his wife is cheating on him, etc etc. They clobber Mike and the MadDog saying one is a fat dope and the other is stupid and probably gay. They make fun of hayseeds, jews, hispanics, and brace yourself. . . .BLACKS!

If you've ever listened to the show, they look for every way they can to clobber everyone and anyone. And when you're sitting in traffic, pissed off at the world, it sounds good. Thats the kind of humor they do. Its not for everyone, but you need to put the show in some context to view those remarks.

Be ready to see your morning radio dial get a little more vanilla when he's replaced with some idiots talking about A-Rod 24/7, and begin counting the days until O&A get canned again.

The people who cant take a joke run this country.

[JPMNICK]

www.nappyho.com

fucking hysterical

[JPMNICK]

And Bernard, Charles McCord and the producer all wish he would drop dead every 5 minutes, they say his wife is cheating on him, etc etc. They clobber Mike and the MadDog saying one is a fat dope and the other is stupid and probably gay. They make fun of hayseeds, jews, hispanics, and brace yourself. . . .BLACKS!

If you've ever listened to the show, they look for every way they can to clobber everyone and anyone. And when you're sitting in traffic, pissed off at the world, it sounds good. Thats the kind of humor they do. Its not for everyone, but you need to put the show in some context to view those remarks.

the same way you can take a snippit of a rap song and turn it racist against white people, this is what happened to Imus. No one who is pissed knows the content of his show and what he is about.

and what makes me the most mad is how NO ONE in the media stands up for his right to free speech. YOU ARE THE MEDIA, you base your living on free speech and they are the first to condemn him.

If a cop shoots someone, or gets a DUI, all the other cops rally and do their best to sweep whatever they can under the table. same for fireman and most other union type workers. The fucking media can not wait to eat their own, because maybe there is a chance .03% of Imus' listeners will go to their channel in the morning, meaning they get to keep their jobs for another 6 months.

[AgnosticJihad]

OK, I'll freely admit I'm not following this very closesly. Is the uproar really over the "nappy hair" comment? I thought the big deal was over the "jigaboo" line. The latter is a racist slur...the former is just a descriptive term.

That said, this still has nothing to do with "free speech" until the government steps in.

Mojo Pin is absolutely right here. Freedom of Speech only applies to the government telling you what you can or cannot say. Furthermore, according to how the Supreme Court has interpreted it, the only form of absolutely, unconditionally protected speech is political speech. Anything else can be censored by the government if it so chooses. Corporations have every legal right to censor their employees, and individuals/groups can censor others as well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is how I feel about freedom of speech. This is simply the reality of the situation.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've been really quiet about this situation for a lot of reasons.

I have had several experiences in my former career where people do charitable things and they are completely dishonest assholes behind the scenes. (And it's not the obvious people, and I'm not getting into details)

I've also seen firsthand racism in radio.

I don't want to hear the defense that Imus is such a great person because he does the cancer kids telethon. Big deal. Yeah, the ranch helps kids. Fine. But I'm sure there's also a shred of truth in Stern's accusations that Imus was using it as a tax shelter and a write-off and his future retirement home.

This is not a free speech issue.

Is Imus a racist? Who knows.

Is his show full of hate speech? Does it turn people into racists, is it a broadcast version of the Turner Diaries?

NO.

Offensive, inappropriate, mysogynistic. Stupidest remark in the world. Christ, if Imus is getting crucified like this, Tom Leykis better be fucking sweating.

This is a combination of manufactured outrage, slow news, and just a bunch of other garbage.

Another ridiculous thing is this: A DJ in the poconos got fired because he decided to make "I'm a Nappy Headed Ho" his "Phrase That Pays" feature. This was a guy who did radio for 17 fucking years, and he probably did it to make a point. STUPID.

[dolemyte]

And for the ppl mentioning rap songs and urban radio... Public airwaves play edited songs, so no it is not the same as Imus' slur going out on air...

[lleeder]

so now imus is off MSNBC. I say fuck MSNBC.


let's boycott MSNBC

and obama wants imus to be fired.

i say fuck him too

I feel like all black people are taking there hate of racism out on Imus. Now all white people will take there feelings out on Obama. He thinks by jumping in on the issue he's winning voters but he really is driving more away.

[AgnosticJihad]

well, as i'm the one who brought up the aclu question, it's obvious i'm the one you consider "flat out stupid." it's not necessary to insult to get your point across.

from the aclu website:
"Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are 'offensive,' happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups."

"The Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment's protection of artistic expression very broadly. It extends not only to books, theatrical works and paintings, but also to posters, television, music videos and comic books -- whatever the human creative impulse produces."
even if i am wrong (likely, as i am often "woefully incorrect") i don't think it was unreasonable to ask why the aclu didn't step up and get involved on some level. this is censorship, as a private pressure group is imposing their morals on others. the government does NOT have to be involved for censorship to take place.

Yes, these forms of speech are protected sometimes, mostly because art is often political in nature. However, if it is not deemed political, or is deemed obscene or otherwise offensive, the government has every right to censor it, according to the Supreme Court, that is.

[johnniewalker]

So Imus gets fired b/c people are shocked that he said things like this. This has taught me its so not worth having a good reputation or to be thought of as a moral upstanding person. Be brazen, be as big of an asshole as you want to be so people aren't shocked when you do make that slip of the tongue. South Park isn't crucified, O and A aren't, Stern isn't. They are looked at as trash, and its expected. As soon as a moral person slips, they have an immutable characteristic of being a racist so there is nothing you can do. It's pathetic, but i guess we can just drudge along and say oh it's really not that bad, when we could realize we're going the wrong way.

[johnniewalker]

I feel like all black people are taking there hate of racism out on Imus. Now all white people will take there feelings out on Obama. He thinks by jumping in on the issue he's winning voters but he really is driving more away.

No kidding, Obama doesn't need to do anything to get the black vote, not completely b/c of race but b/c african americans are typically liberal. It's pointless for him to get in the middle of this one.

[TooLowBrow]

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-04/28954562.jpg
No more nappy hair, those hos straightened their hair!

[Gvac]

I've got a lot to say on the subject.

Maybe I can get a few hours on XM 202 one weekend where I can rant and rave without having to watch my language.

I'm seriously furious over the whole non-issue.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've got a lot to say on the subject.

Maybe I can get a few hours on XM 202 one weekend where I can rant and rave without having to watch my language.

I'm seriously furious over the whole non-issue.

The Greg and Matty show?

[Tenbatsuzen]

It'll be like 60/20 Sports, but more like 90/30 News.

[douchebagsean]

say goodbye to your freedom folks, imus down whose next...ron, fez, stern, opie, ant...instead of trying to fix the racial issues we just fire one big mouth after another in a way of saying hey we got one of them...this had the chance to turn into something so positive in terms of trying to end the racial divide that just got deeper..way to go msnbcowards

[pennington]

Another ridiculous thing is this: A DJ in the poconos got fired because he decided to make "I'm a Nappy Headed Ho" his "Phrase That Pays" feature. This was a guy who did radio for 17 fucking years, and he probably did it to make a point. STUPID.

There's a thread on this over at the NYRMB. This is unbelievable. He should be rehired and the idiot who fired him should be let go. Immediately.

And now NBC is trying to prove how caring they are by dropping Imus' show. Cowards.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

MSNBC - You nappy headed ho's !!!!!

Dropping Imus is BS. Caving to a few people looking to spin an angle in an election year and also trying to create a distraction from middle east shit. I see it as a set back in race relations too, huge divisiveness created out of nothing. Sharpton, you suck.

[Gvac]

Ladies and Gentlemen...prepare yourselves...here he is. The most frightening man in America ---

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/Imus.jpg

[SatCam]

So Imus gets fired b/c people are shocked that he said things like this. This has taught me its so not worth having a good reputation or to be thought of as a moral upstanding person. Be brazen, be as big of an asshole as you want to be so people aren't shocked when you do make that slip of the tongue.

the guy says this kind of shit all the time

[TooLowBrow]

While the Imus controversy is troubling, it reflects a trend in talk radio in which the medium seems to think it is immune from criticism and above reproach, regardless of what is said on the air.

To me, talk radio shows have become nothing more than mirrors for the blind. (Let me emphasize that I'm referring to the blind in the figurative sense; I don't mean to marginalize the visually impaired.) These radio megalomaniacs preach to their own narrow-minded choirs in their own cathedrals.

[Don Stugots]

i'm telling you now that everything you enjoy that pushes the envelope will be gone in the not so distant future. PC=modern McCarthyism

[Don Stugots]

Ladies and Gentlemen...prepare yourselves...here he is. The most frightening man in America ---

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/Imus.jpg

remember his face, you will not see it much longer. (fan of his or not, at what point do you care that his ability to earn a living is now being taken from him?)