VA Tech Shootings

[Dirtybird12]

the va tech website is reporting - shots fired - gunman on loose - stay in dorms.
lock windows and doors until notifed by police.

CNN _breaking news. The VA tech website is very slow.

we're all gonna die!

[Don Stugots]

stay down and be careful everyone on the area. check in if you can.

[cupcakelove]

Holy crap be careful people. That is insane.

[Marist Mike]

Oh wow, they are saying that it's in a dorm. CNN is saying something like it's a dorm with 900 plus people. Wow, everyone there is in my prayers.

[A.J.]

Holy shit, 20 people killed.

Let's see how soon it will be before some jackass politician uses this as an excuse for calling for tougher gun control. My money is on Schumer.

[Febreeze]

Fucking tragic.

I'm with Ronny. I never gave a shit enough about school to be that high strung.

[Furtherman]

I'm wondering if there was an automatic weapon involved. 20 people is a lot.

[MONICA5579]

Now it's 22 dead and 28 injured. They say that there may have been 2 gunmen. One of the gunmen was found dead, but the other one has not been found as of yet.

[Dirtybird12]

A young american male student.

was using 2 - 9mm handguns.

killed himself.

[SinA]

Holy shit, 20 people killed.

Let's see how soon it will be before some jackass politician uses this as an excuse for calling for tougher gun control. My money is on Schumer.

This is a perfect example of the need for WAY tougher gun control. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, and the value in owning a gun for hunting, limited self-defense, and the remote chance that the British will re-invade.

However, there is a HUGE difference between gun ownership and gun advocacy. The lobbyists falsely tie the right to bear arms to automatic rapid-fire weapons and hollow-point rounds, which no-one has any good reason to deal with. The various "defense" industries (from handguns to the big deal arms) are more powerful than oil and auto, and they've blown the issue out of proportion.

Fucking safetlylocks aren't the solution, it's stricter licensing, registration and tracking.

[Dirtybird12]

now they say the suspect is a young ASIAN american man.

wow thats a switch eh?

worst school shooting in history

[King Hippos Bandaid]

just fucking awful

People if u are Angry at the World and can't take it I got one word for you


SUICIDE


Dont bring other people into your Doom Filled World

[A.J.]

This is a perfect example of the need for WAY tougher gun control. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, and the value in owning a gun for hunting, limited self-defense, and the remote chance that the British will re-invade.

However, there is a HUGE difference between gun ownership and gun advocacy. The lobbyists falsely tie the right to bear arms to automatic rapid-fire weapons and hollow-point rounds, which no-one has any good reason to deal with. The various "defense" industries (from handguns to the big deal arms) are more powerful than oil and auto, and they've blown the issue out of proportion.

Fucking safetlylocks aren't the solution, it's stricter licensing, registration and tracking.

Fine. Then amend/revise/modify the countless gun control laws that are presently on the books -- and, apparently, don't seem to work.

[MONICA5579]

now they say the suspect is a young ASIAN american man.

wow thats a switch eh?

worst school shooting in history



Damn Asians Americans!!

[SinA]

Fine. Then amend/revise/modify the countless gun control laws that are presently on the books -- and, apparently, don't seem to work.

I've tried for years to be a libertarian, but again and again humanity lets me down. Every time it looks like things are going to be alright, someone is there to fuck things up. I can't trust you people, so now we all have to live with these god-damned oppressive laws.

[patsopinion]

now they say the suspect is a young ASIAN american man.

wow thats a switch eh?

worst school shooting in history

what about the clock tower/texas one?

[Dougie Brootal]

just fucking awful

People if u are Angry at the World and can't take it I got one word for you


SUICIDE


Dont bring other people into your Doom Filled World


how aboot therapy? people are too stupid to kill themselves without putting other people at risk sometimes.

[Mike Teacher]

jesus i just heard...

im at a loss...

[Dirtybird12]

wow 32 dead now.

crazy

[PapaBear]

wow 32 dead now.

crazy
Yeah. That's what Fox is saying. I hope they're wrong.


edit. Damn. They're all saying now.

[Dirtybird12]

how do u edit on this damn 2.0

[Snacks]

I have heard 31 so far and maybe more with a lot of people injured. This is sad, worse then Columbine? I dont remember how many died that day.

I feel bad for the parents. You send your children to college to get an education. College should be a safe place to learn without worrying about be shot for no reason.

I hope the kid who did this isnt some crazed war vet that just went nuts. Thats just one of the many reasons that came to my mind when I read it was an automatic rifle. I thought military. Any news to why he did this?

[PapaBear]

I hope the kid who did this isnt some crazed war vet that just went nuts.
Some reports are saying he was looking for his girlfriend.

[ralphbxny]

Very Sad!

[MadMatt]

I have heard 31 so far and maybe more with a lot of people injured. This is sad, worse then Columbine? I dont remember how many died that day.

I feel bad for the parents. You send your children to college to get an education. College should be a safe place to learn without worrying about be shot for no reason.

I hope the kid who did this isnt some crazed war vet that just went nuts. Thats just one of the many reasons that came to my mind when I read it was an automatic rifle. I thought military. Any news to why he did this?

Columbine was 13 total - 12 kids + 1 teacher.

I'm not sure about the UofT shootings in 1966, but I think there were 18 killed (not for sure).

Reports are still sketchy, but it sounds like it was a student that snapped. Talk about calculated - he shot up the dorm, went into hiding for 2 hours, then attacked classes in the engineering building. That is cold and eerily brilliant (sheerly from a strategic standpoint).

[PapaBear]

I'm not sure about the UofT shootings in 1966, but I think there were 18 killed (not for sure).


Yeah. It was either 16 or 18.

This is the worst shooting PERIOD in US history, much less school shooting.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The caller to R&F was right - if this had happened last week, nobody would have cared about Imus.

[TheMojoPin]

The caller to R&F was right - if this had happened last week, nobody would have cared about Imus.

Classy. Gotta love when people's first reaction to something this awful is how it could have "changed" Imus' situation. Matty, this isn't a rant at you specifically, just in general.

I'm really just kind of numb over this...my younger brother went there, I had plenty of friends there, and I went to school for a while just southwest of Tech, so I spent a lot of time up there, pretty much every other weekend for a semester. This is just so sad and unreal...what a waste.

Oh, someone might want to update the thread title for clarification.

[El Mudo]

Classy. Gotta love when people's first reaction to something this awful is how it could have "changed" Imus' situation. Matty, this isn't a rant at you specifically, just in general.

I'm really just kind of numb over this...my younger brother went there, I had plenty of friends there, and I went to school for a while just southwest of Tech, so I spent a lot of time up there, pretty much every other weekend for a semester. This is just so sad and unreal...what a waste.

Oh, someone might want to update the thread title for clarification.




My sister lives near there....I am really freaked out right now...


I am trying to get a hold of her and talk to her...if just to preserve my own sanity



Thoughts and prayers to the victims

[Thomas Merton]

Classy. Gotta love when people's first reaction to something this awful is how it could have "changed" Imus' situation. Matty, this isn't a rant at you specifically, just in general.

I'm really just kind of numb over this...my younger brother went there, I had plenty of friends there, and I went to school for a while just southwest of Tech, so I spent a lot of time up there, pretty much every other weekend for a semester. This is just so sad and unreal...what a waste.

Oh, someone might want to update the thread title for clarification.


Agreed Mojo. There is no angle, observation or connection relevant here other than the innocent victims and their families.

I always stupidly ask why in these situations; nothing really matters other than my Catholic based belief that this scum is going directly to hell, will not pass go, and is doomed to be anally raped for eternity in a circle of hell Dante could not imagine.

However, not surprised at all at the shooter being Asian if it was a result of snapping and academic pressure. Suicides over academic failure and embarrassment to the family in general are accepted and almost expected. I read with incredulity about a Jap business man who was caught embezzling. Cops come to arrest him, but give him a moment alone in order for him to commit hari-kari and save his family social stigma.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Strange that this happened so close to the anniversary of the Collumbine shootings.

[AgnosticJihad]

My sister lives near there....I am really freaked out right now...


I am trying to get a hold of her and talk to her...if just to preserve my own sanity


Thoughts and prayers to the victims

Hope she's alright, man

[Tenbatsuzen]

Classy. Gotta love when people's first reaction to something this awful is how it could have "changed" Imus' situation. Matty, this isn't a rant at you specifically, just in general.

I'm really just kind of numb over this...my younger brother went there, I had plenty of friends there, and I went to school for a while just southwest of Tech, so I spent a lot of time up there, pretty much every other weekend for a semester. This is just so sad and unreal...what a waste.

Oh, someone might want to update the thread title for clarification.

Mojo, it wasn't my first reaction. My "first reaction" was on the air when this first broke this afternoon. This is more like a sixth or seventh reaction.

What happened was a tragedy. And many people who were innocent lost their lives because of one deranged fuck. But it just shows how if it's a slow news week, the media will crucify someone. Because they can.

[LOAF]

33 kids dead...... for what, really really sad story.

[FUNKMAN]

they are now playing the "blame" game. and I have no doubt the media is pushing it because how many times can they play the sound of the gunfire?

it is kind of eerie hearing that gunfire because it seems almost every shot winds up killing someone... a witness in an upstairs room above the area where these people were killed said he heard 40 or 50 shots and 33 people dead. makes you think he was up close to each victim and popping them in the head. if so you question why some of them didn't rush the guy, you figure he had to reload at some point?

just thinking out loud... i'd be curious what Reeshy or some other policeman or detectives from the board think of how he wound up killing so many?

[PapaBear]

just thinking out loud... i'd be curious what Reeshy or some other policeman or detectives from the board think of how he wound up killing so many?
I'm thinking they (the victims) were probably just too freaked out to do anything to try and stop him. He had the door chained so the cops were slowed down. It didn't take him very long to get off all the shots before the cops got there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm thinking they (the victims) were probably just too freaked out to do anything to try and stop him. He had the door chained so the cops were slowed down. It didn't take him very long to get off all the shots before the cops got there.

It sounds like he hit multiple classrooms. But if he only had 2 9mm's, that would make for an incredibly accurate killrate. Klebold and Harris had some heavy-duty firepower, including a Tec-9, a sawed-off shotgun, and a rifle.

Ron is right - until all the facts are out about this, we really can't comment on it, but the VT administration is taking heat for not locking down the campuses after the first shooting.

[Tenbatsuzen]

they are now playing the "blame" game. and I have no doubt the media is pushing it because how many times can they play the sound of the gunfire?

it is kind of eerie hearing that gunfire because it seems almost every shot winds up killing someone... a witness in an upstairs room above the area where these people were killed said he heard 40 or 50 shots and 33 people dead. makes you think he was up close to each victim and popping them in the head. if so you question why some of them didn't rush the guy, you figure he had to reload at some point?

just thinking out loud... i'd be curious what Reeshy or some other policeman or detectives from the board think of how he wound up killing so many?

As mentioned before...

Tech might be to blame because they knew of two murders in a dorm, and they "believed" the gunmen fled, but that's still no reason to not lock down the campus. They sent out a lot of emails, but did they have any of their campus police go door-to-door to alert people in classrooms of the situation? Maybe it was not enough time.

He also had two guns. If he wasn't firing chow yun fat style, he could easily use one gun to fire while reloading the other, if need be.

It also sounds like he didn't go into one classroom, but fired shots into multiple classrooms.

[johnniewalker]

they are now playing the "blame" game. and I have no doubt the media is pushing it because how many times can they play the sound of the gunfire?

it is kind of eerie hearing that gunfire because it seems almost every shot winds up killing someone... a witness in an upstairs room above the area where these people were killed said he heard 40 or 50 shots and 33 people dead. makes you think he was up close to each victim and popping them in the head. if so you question why some of them didn't rush the guy, you figure he had to reload at some point?

just thinking out loud... i'd be curious what Reeshy or some other policeman or detectives from the board think of how he wound up killing so many?

It is so hard to watch them try to find an angle on this. Gun control? A better university safety system? I know they feel like they have to use up 30 minutes on it b/c it is a huge story, but it's just a terrible story wtih not a lot of fault to go to anyone except the kid who blasted his face off. We can't just mourn a tragedy.

[TheMojoPin]

It sounds like he hit multiple classrooms. But if he only had 2 9mm's, that would make for an incredibly accurate killrate. Klebold and Harris had some heavy-duty firepower, including a Tec-9, a sawed-off shotgun, and a rifle.

Ron is right - until all the facts are out about this, we really can't comment on it, but the VT administration is taking heat for not locking down the campuses after the first shooting.

The reports now are indicating that they've found 2 9mm's, and one or both were carrying clips larger than the usual 10 shot ones.

[SinA]

michael moore will get to the bottom of this
http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/D20050223/1395_183616280_michael_moore_1_H152956_L.jpg

[MikeB]

Matty Fridays sounded like a moron talking about it today. Fark.com message board is a good place to go for your news.


I was talking to my friend who goes to Viriginia Tech and he was saying there internet was fucked up most of the day. He said his friend went to class and didn't stop until he heard gun shots.

The president and cheif of police for VT are going to and should lose their jobs over this.

[IamFogHat]

Jesus Christ, I was in tears hearing about this this afternoon. I still can't find out if my friends down there are ok or not. This is so fucking awful, all those families, it's incomprehensible.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Matty Fridays sounded like a moron talking about it today. Fark.com message board is a good place to go for your news.


I was talking to my friend who goes to Viriginia Tech and he was saying there internet was fucked up most of the day. He said his friend went to class and didn't stop until he heard gun shots.

The president and cheif of police for VT are going to and should lose their jobs over this.

Oh shut up. If you read the listening thread, the number changed from one killed to 20 killed during the duration of the call. That call was made around 1:30, when most people didn't know what the hell was going on, and I was just relaying what I read on Fark. BTW, I said that the shooting happened in a dorm, an enginnering building, and a gym. I got two out of the three right. I also said that the first shooting was at the dorm and the second shooting was in engineering, and the third was in the gym. Again, I got the chronology right, but the gym shooting was wrong.

Secondly, most of the people who were posting on Fark were students living off-campus.

And if you read the threads on fark, there was a lot of people on the VT campus who were talking about it. I wasn't presenting it as fact, but as what I read.

[sr71blackbird]

I haven't hard this said yet, but I suspect that a gun was found at the first shooting scene, and they must have believed that it was a murder/suicide, because I doubt the school and police would have acted as they did if they thought a gunman was at large.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I haven't hard this said yet, but I suspect that a gun was found at the first shooting scene, and they must have believed that it was a murder/suicide, because I doubt the school and police would have acted as they did if they thought a gunman was at large.

I remember a few news reports saying that the authorities believed he had fled the campus, whoever killed the two in the dorm.

[K.C.]

33 kids dead...... for what, really really sad story.

It really got to me when Ron said something to the effect of "33 kids, who all they cared about was homework or something aren't coming home today."

It's just fucking heartbreaking...all a lot of these kids were probably thinking about today was hanging out and grabbing a pint or something tonight, or calling their chick later, or whatever, and they're just gone.

Unbelievable.

[MikeB]

Oh shut up. If you read the listening thread, the number changed from one killed to 20 killed during the duration of the call. That call was made around 1:30, when most people didn't know what the hell was going on, and I was just relaying what I read on Fark. BTW, I said that the shooting happened in a dorm, an enginnering building, and a gym. I got two out of the three right. I also said that the first shooting was at the dorm and the second shooting was in engineering, and the third was in the gym. Again, I got the chronology right, but the gym shooting was wrong.

Secondly, most of the people who were posting on Fark were students living off-campus.

And if you read the threads on fark, there was a lot of people on the VT campus who were talking about it. I wasn't presenting it as fact, but as what I read.

At that first press conference they said it was 20 killed. You presented the idea of some kid just calling into the media that 20 people died as fact and the rest of your info with words like "probably" and "they (fark) are saying." Did the people at fark also tell you that 10 hijacked planes were still out there? You sounded just like the news media during events like this, spreading rumors like wild fire. I had people calling me all afternoon asking about my friend there because the phone lines were jammed and all they have to go by is rumor spreaders like yourself. Anyone with half a brain could realize that if a VT student is calling in within hours of the shootings or fucking posting on fark odds are they know as much about the situation as any person watching CNN.

[Tenbatsuzen]

At that first press conference they said it was 20 killed. You presented the idea of some kid just calling into the media that 20 people died as fact and the rest of your info with words like "probably" and "they (fark) are saying." Did the people at fark also tell you that 10 hijacked planes were still out there? You sounded just like the news media during events like this, spreading rumors like wild fire. I had people calling me all afternoon asking about my friend there because the phone lines were jammed and all they have to go by is rumor spreaders like yourself. Anyone with half a brain could realize that if a VT student is calling in within hours of the shootings or fucking posting on fark odds are they know as much about the situation as any person watching CNN.

Here's what happened.

1) Someone called in with the number of 20 dead.

2) Someone called in to correct them with 20 dead, saying 1 was dead.

3) I called in to say that LOCAL NEWS, FROM FARK, was saying that 20 was dead and the cable news was trying to confirm it.

4) I then relayed the information from FARK, because, as you may not know, Ron and Fez kind of started out here as a show about the fucking internet.

Everything I presented worked out, with the exception of the gym shooting. I really don't see what you fucking problem is.

Stop fishing for a battle. I screwed up on the gym shooting, and admit that I did. But everything else was legit.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Kid this morning on MSNBC said that he got an email from the college at 815 telling them to stay in their rooms. Seems alot earlier than was suggested last night.
This last week has made me really sour on FOXnews. There are a few shows I can handle but yesterday was so rediculous. Before anything is known for sure they have some tool on there blaming this all on videogames. It went on like that all afternoon. Between that and last week the morning show blatently saying that they were glad Imus was gone because he was mean. No mention of free speech or the Constitution at all. GD they are unbelieveable.
Side note: Why is Keith Olberman staring over my shoulder all the time? Is there something there?

http://myboxinabox.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/keith2_2.jpg

[MikeB]

Here's what happened.

1) Someone called in with the number of 20 dead.

2) Someone called in to correct them with 20 dead, saying 1 was dead.

3) I called in to say that LOCAL NEWS, FROM FARK, was saying that 20 was dead and the cable news was trying to confirm it.

4) I then relayed the information from FARK, because, as you may not know, Ron and Fez kind of started out here as a show about the fucking internet.

Everything I presented worked out, with the exception of the gym shooting. I really don't see what you fucking problem is.

Stop fishing for a battle. I screwed up on the gym shooting, and admit that I did. But everything else was legit.
Oh you got me there, you brought up the .com days. I read on a website it had to do with terrorism, someone should of called up to help relive the great .com days and bring up another rumor.
I have the show on my computer and listened to your part again, I stick by what I said. I am not fishing for a battle, I just have a problem with someone being so confident in being so irresponsible.

[Doomstone]

Kid this morning on MSNBC said that he got an email from the college at 815 telling them to stay in their rooms. Seems alot earlier than was suggested last night.
This last week has made me really sour on FOXnews. There are a few shows I can handle but yesterday was so rediculous. Before anything is known for sure they have some tool on there blaming this all on videogames. It went on like that all afternoon. Between that and last week the morning show blatently saying that they were glad Imus was gone because he was mean. No mention of free speech or the Constitution at all. GD they are unbelieveable.
Side note: Why is Keith Olberman staring over my shoulder all the time? Is there something there?

http://myboxinabox.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/keith2_2.jpg

This post makes me want to grab you by the ears and scream into your face until your head explodes.

Thank god I haven't opened the Imus thread...

[Dirtybird12]

BLACKSBURG, Va. — A Virginia Tech senior from South Korea was behind the massacre of at least 30 people locked inside a campus building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university said Tuesday.

The Virginia Tech Police Department identified him as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior in the English department.

Police also said ballistics tests showed one of the guns found after a deadly shooting at Virginia Tech was used in both shootings, at the doom at the classroom building.

The bloodbath ended with the gunman's suicide, bringing the death toll from two separate shootings — first at a dorm, then in a classroom building — to 33 and stamping the campus in the picturesque Blue Ridge Mountains with unspeakable tragedy.


CHO SEUNG HUI 23 - lived in Centerville VA ( Northern Virginia)

[Thomas Merton]

I'm not in the habit of defending the state police, but it sickens me how quickly people were pointing fingers. We have come to the point in our "evolution" where some people expect life to be totally pain and stress free. We expect to be safe at all times, not be offended by anything we hear or read, achieve instant Karma at will, take pills to get 3 hour boners and live forever. With the dying of religion, we're trying to achieve heaven on earth.

Buddha said life is pain and suffering bitches!!

Just saw the news conference so I can at least get in one shot on the cops. That chief makes the Public Speaking mistake #1. He has that nervous habit of grinning and smirking while speaking, making his facial expressions not match his words. Not intentional, but is seemed somewhat disrespectful.

Whatever is in the note left behind by this slope will make me hate more, if possible. If its a love triangle...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh you got me there, you brought up the .com days. I read on a website it had to do with terrorism, someone should of called up to help relive the great .com days and bring up another rumor.
I have the show on my computer and listened to your part again, I stick by what I said. I am not fishing for a battle, I just have a problem with someone being so confident in being so irresponsible.

It's really oh-so-cute that you decided to compare an event (9/11) that was quite literally, 100 times worse than what happened at VT to your own personal experience. You do realize that R&F were still harping on two shooters for the duration of the show, when I didn't even talk about the shooters?

I admitted what I said was wrong about the gym, but I was actually calling in to say that local news had reported 20 dead, but it wasn't confirmed yet.

Seriously, at the time I called, nothing was confirmed yet, and I presented it as it was - VT students using FARK to relay their personal experiences. I didn't present it as fact because I used words like "probably".

You don't go to CNN for dick jokes, don't come to me for hard hitting news.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The bloodbath ended with the gunman's suicide, bringing the death toll from two separate shootings — first at a dorm, then in a classroom building — to 33 and stamping the campus in the picturesque Blue Ridge Mountains with unspeakable tragedy.




I guess that means we lock the thread and the news will go back to Imus then.

[Jujubees2]

Holy shit, 20 people killed.

Let's see how soon it will be before some jackass politician uses this as an excuse for calling for tougher gun control. My money is on Schumer.

First of all, the state of Virginia has practically NO gun control laws. They don't do background checks on guns bought at gun shows and have no waiting period.

Virginia Gun Cotrol Laws (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=va)

Actually, the politicians are partially to blame for not renewing a bill that outlawed clips that held more than ten rounds. (http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=awb)

The worst thing was one of the lobbyists for the gun industry citing this as a reason that we should do away with the Gun Free School Zones.

[A.J.]

A source familiar with the investigation said the weapons found at Norris were a Walther .22-caliber semi-automatic and a 9 mm Glock -- both with the serial numbers filed off.

I don't know of any gun dealerships that file the serial numbers off of guns.

Look, I'm NOT opposed to certain gun control. I AM opposed to knee-jerk legislation that is symbolism over substance. That's what's happened over the last 20 years or so. And any gun control is going to have to be done on a state by state basis. I know people from rural states who deal with bears and coyotes coming onto their property: they probably deserve a little more firepower.

[Jujubees2]

I don't know of any gun dealerships that file the serial numbers off of guns.

Look, I'm NOT opposed to certain gun control. I AM opposed to knee-jerk legislation that is symbolism over substance. That's what's happened over the last 20 years or so. And any gun control is going to have to be done on a state by state basis. I know people from rural states who deal with bears and coyotes coming onto their property: they probably deserve a little more firepower.

I understand your point A.J. but how many Columbines and Virgina Tech's do we need before it's no longer a knee-jerk reaction?

Yes, people with wild animals on their property may need a little more firepower but do they need a clip that hold 100 rounds?

[Furtherman]

Yes, people with wild animals on their property may need a little more firepower but do they need a clip that hold 100 rounds?

Think about that question again as 100 wild boars are charging you.

[sr71blackbird]

http://www.drudgereport.com/vt.jpg

He was from South Korea

[A.J.]

Precisely my point: why wasn't previously passed legislation tough enough? Did lawmakers promse that no more Columbines would happen? By definition, VA Tech shouldn't have happened.

And I quote former Senator Phil Gramm of Texas: "If gun control worked, the District of Columbia would be the safest city in America".

I'm not saying do nothing...it's just that I don't want people to expect that this won't ever happen again just beacuse of some new law.

[Don Stugots]

I am all for people owning guns legally, hell I do. I cannot imagine that making it harder to get a gun legally will make things like this not happen. Keeping illegal guns off the street is just as hard as to keep crack off the streets.


BTW, MikeB and Matty, please take it off board. This a tragedy and the thread is about the subject at hand. I am not taking a side in the argument at all. thanks, if i offended anyone please PM me to discuss.

[cupcakelove]

I am all for people owning guns legally, hell I do. I cannot imagine that making it harder to get a gun legally will make things like this not happen. Keeping illegal guns off the street is just as hard as to keep crack off the streets.


BTW, MikeB and Matty, please take it off board. This a tragedy and the thread is about the subject at hand. I am not taking a side in the argument at all. thanks, if i offended anyone please PM me to discuss.

But making it harder for people to buy guns, will decrease the number of the guns on the street, legal and illegal. Right now, in VA, it is way too easy for someone to purchase a firearm. I do know people that have gotten around age restrictions because it is real simple for a friend to go pick one up for them.

[Don Stugots]

But making it harder for people to buy guns, will decrease the number of the guns on the street, legal and illegal. Right now, in VA, it is way too easy for someone to purchase a firearm. I do know people that have gotten around age restrictions because it is real simple for a friend to go pick one up for them.

then it is NOT legal at that point.

[cupcakelove]

then it is NOT legal at that point.

Exactly, the lax gun laws facilitated the acquiring of an illegal gun.

[Jujubees2]

From the Virginia Gun Control law:

State law restricts selling or giving handguns to juveniles under 18, and other firearms to juveniles under 12. There are no limits on selling or giving kids 12 or older rifles, shotguns or even assault weapons - without even parental permission.

[MikeB]

It's really oh-so-cute that you decided to compare an event (9/11) that was quite literally, 100 times worse than what happened at VT to your own personal experience. You do realize that R&F were still harping on two shooters for the duration of the show, when I didn't even talk about the shooters?

I admitted what I said was wrong about the gym, but I was actually calling in to say that local news had reported 20 dead, but it wasn't confirmed yet.

Seriously, at the time I called, nothing was confirmed yet, and I presented it as it was - VT students using FARK to relay their personal experiences. I didn't present it as fact because I used words like "probably".

You don't go to CNN for dick jokes, don't come to me for hard hitting news.

Where the hell in that post do I compare it to 9/11? "Hey look over there, he thinks 9/11 is dog shit! He never said it but you can tell! I read it on fark!"
Any other 202 references you want to make? Maybe a lil Jimmy joke or two.

[A.J.]

Enough. Take it off the board.

[Don Stugots]

Where the hell in that post do I compare it to 9/11? "Hey look over there, he thinks 9/11 is dog shit! He never said it but you can tell! I read it on fark!"
Any other 202 references you want to make? Maybe a lil Jimmy joke or two.

SEE MY POST ABOVE PLEASE, if you cannot see it than please take your argument with TENBATS off board.

[MikeB]

my fault stugots, did not refresh browser from when I had it opened earlier. Never meant to turn it into that as you can see that was a small part of my first post in this thread. I am fine with you deleting the last post if you want even though I do not like the idea of the lie about me comparing the events of yetserday to the event of 9/11.

[Don Stugots]

Exactly, the lax gun laws facilitated the acquiring of an illegal gun.

i had two long paragraphs in response but i lost it.

in summary:
i am all for gun control. I do not think people should be able to just walk into a store and walk out with a gun. I was glad that i didn't. I also glad that I went for firearm training before I bought the gun.

[Tenbatsuzen]

my fault stugots, did not refresh browser from when I had it opened earlier. Never meant to turn it into that as you can see that was a small part of my first post in this thread. I am fine with you deleting the last post if you want even though I do not like the idea of the lie about me comparing the events of yetserday to the event of 9/11.

Did you mention "10 planes"?

That is a comparion to 9/11. Now go home.

[Don Stugots]

oh stop it now.


nothing was like 9/11, period. I was a block or two away when it happened and do not need to imagine how those people felt, i can relate.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mike B comparing yesterday to 9/11:



Did the people at fark also tell you that 10 hijacked planes were still out there? You sounded just like the news media during events like this, spreading rumors like wild fire.


Mind you, I never mention anything about shooters, the number of shooters, or the identity or current situation of the shooter. I was relaying what was written on Fark by actual students in the area of VT, something you are not and really have no comparison of saying. It's like me talking about 9/11 because a friend of mine works near WTC and my fiance watched it out the window.

[Sheeplovr]

Short plays by Cho Seung Hui (http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/richard-mcbeef-cover-page/20070417134109990001)

Richard Mcbeefy is way better then Mr Brownstone

[MrPink]

Short plays by Cho Seung Hui (http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/richard-mcbeef-cover-page/20070417134109990001)

Richard Mcbeefy is way better then Mr Brownstone

Blame Guns n' Roses! People are so quick to blame movies, tv, music, gun control, and video games on mass murders like this. The fact of the matter is that Cho is the one who murdered these kids, nobody else.

Another thing, CNN had some deal where they talked about how unsafe schools are. If you look at percentages of kids involved with school shootings, you'll see that there are not that many.

[MikeB]

Mike B comparing yesterday to 9/11:



Mind you, I never mention anything about shooters, the number of shooters, or the identity or current situation of the shooter. I was relaying what was written on Fark by actual students in the area of VT, something you are not and really have no comparison of saying. It's like me talking about 9/11 because a friend of mine works near WTC and my fiance watched it out the window.

Quit trying to set up a straw man. I was comparing what was happening on that day on message boards and TV where rumors were spreading like wild fire due to the fact not that much real information was out. And you know that. For anyone to say thousands of people dieing in three different dozens dieing one is insane. But to compare a famous case of people spreading rumors and presenting some as fact to yesterday makes sense.


Stugots if you are going to delete the posts in this thread, I would prefer you to delete any that reference them.

[Don Stugots]

dude, i cant delete them. i am not a mod. i am just trying to steer something that is private away from public eye.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Quit trying to set up a straw man. I was comparing what was happening on that day on message boards and TV where rumors were spreading like wild fire due to the fact not that much real information was out. And you know that. For anyone to say thousands of people dieing in three different dozens dieing one is insane. But to compare a famous case of people spreading rumors and presenting some as fact to yesterday makes sense.


Stugots if you are going to delete the posts in this thread, I would prefer you to delete any that reference them.


How was I spreading rumors, you dumb fuck? I gave a source for what I was saying, (fark.com), and sharing the information. And the information I presented was pretty goddamn accurate outside of the gym situation. People were still harping on the Person of Interest being the "second shooter", whether the second shooter was alive, whether the second shooter dead, etc. I didn't say anything. I said three incidents. One in the dorm around 7, one in a class building around 10, and one in a gym around 11. And I said it was an engineering student. I was wrong on that, he was an English major. Oh well.

Tell me how I was spreading rumors. I fucking dare you. I presented what I said on the call as presented as it was on Fark. I wasn't making shit up. Considering that the NEWS MEDIA has overblown and made shit up, I was going with an unconentional resource - students who were near and on the campus.

And since you said that phone lines and the on-campus internet was blown up, what's the best resource to get information? Outside of the Police and the Administration, who weren't saying shit, and now trying to cover their asses? Off-campus students. Who were posting on fark.

Spreading rumors is creating malicious lies in order to deceive someone. An example of spreading a rumor is telling Stugots, "Hey, you know MikeB? He's a cocksucker."

An example of what I did was re-telling people information that I read on a website that seemed pretty legitimate.

[TheMojoPin]

Can the two of you kindly shut up and get this nonsense out of the thread? Nobody cares about it except you two.

[reillyluck]

seriously, knock it off

[Don Stugots]

I tried and they wouldnt listen to me. i need a mod badge or some type of mod PBA card.

[Furtherman]

This is what I meant - understand me!

This is what I meant - understand me!

Waaaaaaah!

[Mike Teacher]

Instead of the psycho, blame will be placed on [in no order]

-Video Games
-Prescription Drugs
-Gangs/Cults
-Guns
-Parents
-Evolution
-TV
-Music
-Movies

basically, like Colombine

[JPMNICK]

Instead of the psycho, blame will be placed on [in no order]

-Video Games
-Prescription Drugs
-Gangs/Cults
-Guns
-Parents
-Evolution
-TV
-Music
-Movies

basically, like Colombine

do not forget ex GF's and bad teachers / lack of good public school education

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

do not forget ex GF's and bad teachers / lack of good public school education

I'm sure Immigration will worm its way in there.

[MikeB]

seriously, knock it off
Okay. Everyone of his replies have now become lies about things I have said. I never said the internet was screwed up on campus because my friend lives off campus. Any other words you want to put in my mouth?
I am done with that piece of shit, next he is going to create a straw man argument blaming me for the insignificants of his life which forces him to desire make himself a bill o'reilly of a message board.

[Tenbatsuzen]

n/m

[Tenbatsuzen]

Okay. Everyone of his replies have now become lies about things I have said. I never said the internet was screwed up on campus because my friend lives off campus. Any other words you want to put in my mouth?
I am done with that piece of shit, next he is going to create a straw man argument blaming me for the insignificants of his life which forces him to desire make himself a bill o'reilly of a message board.


I was talking to my friend who goes to Viriginia Tech and he was saying there internet was fucked up most of the day. He said his friend went to class and didn't stop until he heard gun shots.


I'm not flaming, I just don't like being called a liar.

[MikeB]

I'm not flaming, I just don't like being called a liar.

Where in that statement does it say that the internet was down on campus?
Stop lieing to make yourself feel better.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

No, we are NOT going there. Again.

[reillyluck]

whatever arguments you are having, enough is enough. Final warning.

[Tenbatsuzen]

playing nice

[Thomas Merton]

Yo Mike, 32 people are dead you self absorbed mo fo. Give it a rest

[sr71blackbird]

Waa Waa Waa WaaaaaaAAaaaa

[FUNKMAN]

some people like to push the antelope

[Don Stugots]

i am speechless right now.

[celery]

I'm a UVA grad, but I was accepted to VT and was very close to attending. Half my high school friends including my brother went to VT - I've probably been there a dozen times to visit. On top of that, it turns out the shooter was from my current residence, Centreville. It's absolutely surreal seeing the distinctive Hokie Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokie_Stone) buildings all over the news attached to this story.

Anyways, here's a pic to explain how all Virgina colleges feel. I know it tugs at the heartstrings but I found it somewhat comforting.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/jblandojsuck/todayallhokies.jpg

[PapaBear]

Thanks for posting that, celery. One of my brothers, one of my sisters, that sister's husband, and their daughter all attended Tech.

BTW... I know it's spelled differently, but as Frank Zappa said...

Centerville.
A real nice place to raise your kids up.
Centerville.
It's really neat!

[Friday]

my stepmom found out that her old boss lost his only daughter in the shootings. she was 19.

senseless and sad.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Last night our governor (MA), in giving his condolences to the families, tried to reassure that because of Massachusetts gun control laws this would be unlikely to happen here. Of course he glosses over the fact that this guy bought all his guns and ammo completely legal. I'm not a fan of government interfering with my life and my wife's family is certainly pro gun rights. I find myself probably like everyone else somewhere in the middle. I guess that i'm saying that I really find it offensive when a politician spews false "hope" to his constituants thinking that we aren't smart enough to figure it out that what he's saying is BS on our own.

[cupcakelove]

Last night our governor (MA), in giving his condolences to the families, tried to reassure that because of Massachusetts gun control laws this would be unlikely to happen here. Of course he glosses over the fact that this guy bought all his guns and ammo completely legal. I'm not a fan of government interfering with my life and my wife's family is certainly pro gun rights. I find myself probably like everyone else somewhere in the middle. I guess that i'm saying that I really find it offensive when a politician spews false "hope" to his constituants thinking that we aren't smart enough to figure it out that what he's saying is BS on our own.

He bought his guns in MA? In VA, as long as you have a driver license you can walk in a store and walk out with a gun. They do have a few checks in place, but if you don't want to deal with that hassle just go to a gun show, its even easier.

[Dan 'Hampton]

No what i'm sayin is that the governor here pretends that if he'd bought the guns here it would have been harder for him to do this. My point was that this guy had a perfect record and would have been able to buy a gun anywhere he wanted.
I have a clean record it wouldn't be hard for me or most of the people on here to get a gun.

[cupcakelove]

No what i'm sayin is that the governor here pretends that if he'd bought the guns here it would have been harder for him to do this. My point was that this guy had a perfect record and would have been able to buy a gun anywhere he wanted.
I have a clean record it wouldn't be hard for me or most of the people on here to get a gun.

Massachusetts requires you to obtain a permit and has a waiting period for purchasing guns. Virginia has neither of these. I'm not say that we know for sure that it would have made a difference in this case, but laws like those have to help deter people who act on impulses, or are reacting to a situation in their life.

[TheMojoPin]

No what i'm sayin is that the governor here pretends that if he'd bought the guns here it would have been harder for him to do this. My point was that this guy had a perfect record and would have been able to buy a gun anywhere he wanted.
I have a clean record it wouldn't be hard for me or most of the people on here to get a gun.

The gun laws typically differ from state to state. VA is one of the easiest in the country to pretty much get any weapon you want no matter who you are, so you might want to actually compare the gun laws and restrictions between the two states before you just assume the same weapons could be bought so easily in MA..

[Dan 'Hampton]

He bought the first gun on MARCH 13. It wasn't a snap decision for him. He sure as hell could have gotten the guns after a check here in that amount of time.

[Dudeman]

but for comparison of how bad it is in baghdad:

"Four large bombs exploded in mostly Shiite areas of Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 157 people and wounding scores...

Among the dead were several construction workers who had been rebuilding the mostly Shiite marketplace after a bombing destroyed many shops and killed 137 people there in February, the police official said."

presumably many of these were innocent people as well

[AKA]

Thanks for posting that cartoon - that actually did tug at my heartstrings.

I don't have a lot of ties w/ VT, and in fact have been avoiding the wall to wall coverage. I had a childhood friend go there 20 years ago, but that was really about it. One of the places I work has some kids who do currently go there, so the emotion was running a little high there. Last night, about 11pm, I stopped off to get something from 7-11 and a young woman, about 21, came in where a VT sweater. I could only imagine she needed to leave Blacksburg and wanted to come back to Arlington to be with her family - many of the victims were from the DC suburbs - I'm sure most of them went through the local anxiety after 9/11 back in 2001 and shared in the fear the snipers had over this region a year later back when they were in HS. A sincere wave of depression hit me thinking about what so many lost this week - it was a relief when I got home and saw the images of so many standing with the candles.

[Dudeman]

He bought the first gun on MARCH 13. It wasn't a snap decision for him. He sure as hell could have gotten the guns after a check here in that amount of time.

a good background check would have found this:

"(CNN) -- Cho Seung Hui was referred to a mental health facility in 2005 after police, responding to accusations that he was suicidal and having inappropriate contact with female students, asked him to see a counselor, police said Wednesday."

why is the NRA worried about having more complete background checks?

[MrPink]

I just got an email from my new university president. He says that because of the murders at VATech, we are trying to find ways to safety precautions to prevent something like that. Is there anything that can be done prevent a mass murder?

[FUNKMAN]

I just got an email from my new university president. He says that because of the murders at VATech, we are trying to find ways to safety precautions to prevent something like that. Is there anything that can be done prevent a mass murder?

they need to minimize the entries and exits to the campus and at each entry/exit they have to have metal detectors. basically just like in some high schools. possibly even some apparatus that detects explosives

[cupcakelove]

I just got an email from my new university president. He says that because of the murders at VATech, we are trying to find ways to safety precautions to prevent something like that. Is there anything that can be done prevent a mass murder?

In this particular case, the school should have listened to the teachers about the student. I don't know if its true, but it sounds like they were not taking mental health issues very seriously. I'm not saying people dealing with a depression should be treated like criminals, but apparently a teacher reported about him, he had the police called him for stalking, and he spent some time in a mental health facility. The school probably should have started keeping a close eye on him at the point, maybe even required therapy to keep going to class.

[cupcakelove]

they need to minimize the entries and exits to the campus and at each entry/exit they have to have metal detectors. basically just like in some high schools. possibly even some apparatus that detects explosives

The size of the campus, and the number of students coming and going makes this impossible. You would have to turn the place into some kind of fortress.

[Furtherman]

In this particular case, the school should have listened to the teachers about the student. I don't know if its true, but it sounds like they were not taking mental health issues very seriously. I'm not saying people dealing with a depression should be treated like criminals, but apparently a teacher reported about him, he had the police called him for stalking, and he spent some time in a mental health facility. The school probably should have started keeping a close eye on him at the point, maybe even required therapy to keep going to class.


There really isn't much you can do to prevent a mass murder, without turning the country into hard core "your papers please" Soviet Union.

But what we can do if look into any of the red flags that have gone up recently involving nut jobs like this kid, who sent out multiple, HUGE red flags and were way more extreme than the typical brooding teenager/early 20's person. He was this loner type since high school.

Hopefully school across the country are now looking into any other such warning that have come up recently.

This kid really hated women. I'm betting he was some kind of repressed homosexual that hated himself for feeling that way and the fact that women would recoil from him infuriated him beyond coping. Probably had a few shorted out wires too, which didn't help.

[PapaBear]

NBC News received a box from the shooter today, containing photos, videos, and writings by him. They gave it to the FBI, and there hasn't been any announcement of what exactly was inside.

[reeshy]

Let me ask you guys a question.....if this miscreant was taken alive...should he be given the death penalty....just curious!!!!

[PapaBear]

Let me ask you guys a question.....if this miscreant was taken alive...should he be given the death penalty....just curious!!!!
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, but if anyone deserves it, it would be this guy. He'd probably not get it though, because he was so nuts.

[Dudeman]

Let me ask you guys a question.....if this miscreant was taken alive...should he be given the death penalty....just curious!!!!

if the death penalty is a detterent, killing this guy would do nothing to stop another person like him from doing the similar thing. he was very mentally ill (probably schizoaffective?) and detached from reality. Others like him would not factor his death penalty into their actions.

[Dudeman]

according to abcnews:

"In 2005, after a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho was either a danger to himself or to others"

how did this guy get guns???? why cant virginia have laws that require a deeper background check before handing out guns? why are the nra and "hunters" against just having more background checks??

[cupcakelove]

I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, but if anyone deserves it, it would be this guy. He'd probably not get it though, because he was so nuts.

VA came within days of killing a guy who thought the death penalty meant he got to ride on a motorcycle to burger king afterwards, I don't think they would hesitate with this guy.

[reeshy]

does mental illness excuse this guy....just asking!!!!

[Dudeman]

does mental illness excuse this guy....just asking!!!!

of course not. but does killing him prevent other mentally ill people from being mentally ill and acting on their paranoid/illusional/delusional thoughts.

[Furtherman]

does mental illness excuse this guy....just asking!!!!

No.

He was functional. He went to college. He was able to dress himself, feed himself, live among others. He went to class. He turned in his assignments on time. Maybe he could drive too?

Oh he was mental alright - but he wasn't ill. Just a creep.

[Friday]

according to abcnews:

"In 2005, after a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho was either a danger to himself or to others"

how did this guy get guns???? why cant virginia have laws that require a deeper background check before handing out guns? why are the nra and "hunters" against just having more background checks??

you are speaking of a state in which large scale fireworks are sold on street corners.
I love VA... but it's true.
Not that it is hard to get a firearm in just about any other state.
The NRA and big business have made it so that just about anyone who does not have a prominent criminal record can own a handgun ... or larger.

[PapaBear]

you are speaking of a state in which large scale fireworks are sold on street corners.
I love VA... but it's true.
Not that it is hard to get a firearm in just about any other state.
The NRA and big business have made it so that just about anyone who does not have a prominent criminal record can own a handgun ... or larger.
The only fireworks allowed here are sparklers and smokers. The large scale fireworks are sold in PA, but only if you're from out of state.

[Dudeman]

No.

Oh he was mental alright - but he wasn't ill. Just a creep.

that's totally NOT true. being smart has nothing to do with being psychologically ill or not.

have you ever read any of the DSMIV? have you ever worked on the psych floor of a hospital with psychiatrists? very intelligent people can have severe mental pathology.

this guy had bizarre delusions, at least (psychotic, positive symptoms). he was completely socially withdrawn (ie. negative symptoms).

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm not trying to compare the situation. But I'm not sure if this is worth a second thread or not.

I think, thinking back, we ALL know or knew of someone like Cho. Someone who was creepy, or socially inept, or someone who just didn't "get it". I'm not saying it was excusable for what he did, but I think a lot of us know somone like that.

Because of this, I feel bad for all the kids who don't quite fit in, because they are simply going to get railed in the next few months. This isn't like the trenchcoat mafia shit... since the kid involved was older, it takes it to a much higher level.

[Furtherman]

have you ever read any of the DSMIV? have you ever worked on the psych floor of a hospital with psychiatrists? very intelligent people can have severe mental pathology.

Of course! 17 years.



It just that I don't think mental illness would excuse this kid.

[Dudeman]

Of course! 17 years.


you started working on a psych floor when you were 16 (or earlier)?

[Snacks]

Why is there more guns produced and more guns in this country then people? Everyone talks about gun control laws. Gun control laws arent going to do anything but delay legal gun owners from buying guns quickly. What needs to be done is stop making guns. I know all you gun lovers and the 2nd amendment, but times are different then they were back in 1776. If you want to bare arms then make it a riffle. I think if civilians were allowed to only buy riffles then that might change things. Harder to conceal and most people that have gun licenses dont have carrying licenses so if you want a gun to protect your home, then you can protect it with a riffle just as easy as a hand gun. If you go hunting you dont use hand guns anyway. So wouldnt that solve some issues?

[Furtherman]

Of course! 17 years.

you started working on a psych floor when you were 16 (or earlier)?

Yes! Well, I was on a psych floor. I wasn't technically "working" per say. But if you just give me a chance, I'll show you I can fly.



Now, if you catch my drift, and you know something about mental illness - just state what you know, instead of trying to call someone out on an opinion, not a fact.

[badmonkey]

I'm not trying to compare the situation. But I'm not sure if this is worth a second thread or not.

I think, thinking back, we ALL know or knew of someone like Cho. Someone who was creepy, or socially inept, or someone who just didn't "get it". I'm not saying it was excusable for what he did, but I think a lot of us know somone like that.

Because of this, I feel bad for all the kids who don't quite fit in, because they are simply going to get railed in the next few months. This isn't like the trenchcoat mafia shit... since the kid involved was older, it takes it to a much higher level.

I remember goth kids in DC getting beaten up in DC by idiots who thought they were part of the "trenchcoat mafia", which it turned out the two kids that shot up the school were not members either. The shooters only wore trenchcoats because trenchcoats easily conceal large weapons. The media jumped all over the trenchcoat mafia thing and other kids got beaten up because they wore dark clothes and dyed their hair black. I would say Cho used handguns for the same reason the Columbine kids wore trenchcoats... handguns are easier to conceal. He planned it for at least a month or two before he carried it out, which is evidenced by his mandatory 30 day waiting period between purchasing each gun.


Badmonkey

[Friday]

has anyone seen the video clip of Cho or the manifesto of pictures/writings he created?
This stuff is all over the news right now.... very frightening.

Correction - looks like this was sent to NBC by the killer.... not fact yet... dont hold me to it.

[sr71blackbird]

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/070418/STG_Mega_KillerSpeaks_251p.jpg

He took time between the first shooting and the second to mail a package to NBC that contained a video and pics of him like this. NBC is suppose to air some of it tonite

[Friday]

they just aired part of it before... they said they would air more as it is cleared with the law enforcement officials.

on a side note... the judge apparently did not order a Mandatory Hospital Stay for Cho.
that would have been a red flag on any gun permit application/process.....hmmmm

Is this why there is a vacation happening for the buddays? Fezzie Mandatory Stay?
*just kidding*

[sr71blackbird]

Link to VIDEO (javascript:msnvDwd('00','925bc281-ce20-439e-9682-8cc58066b2bf','us','hotvideo_m_vatech','c3556','ms nbc','','18178241','\u2018Multimedia manifesto\u2018 sent to NBC'))


Sorry, the link doesnt seem to work.

[CaptClown]

Why is there more guns produced and more guns in this country then people? Everyone talks about gun control laws. Gun control laws aren't going to do anything but delay legal gun owners from buying guns quickly. What needs to be done is stop making guns. I know all you gun lovers and the 2nd amendment, but times are different then they were back in 1776. If you want to bare arms then make it a rifle. I think if civilians were allowed to only buy rifles then that might change things. Harder to conceal and most people that have gun licenses don't have carrying licenses so if you want a gun to protect your home, then you can protect it with a rifle just as easy as a hand gun. If you go hunting you don't use hand guns anyway. So wouldn't that solve some issues?

I have mostly stayed out of this discussion, because crazy people will do crazy things. But on what realm of reality do you even think this is even possible? Even if you could get every gun how are you going to stop the bombers? Are you going to regulate or outlaw common use chemicals and plumbing supplies?

[sr71blackbird]

As weird as this is to say, the things he says and the way he says them do not seem to me to be the words and tone of someone about to do what he did. He almost seemed to be trying to keep a straight face. It almost looks like a joke, but obviously it is not..

[Dudeman]

you cant diagnosis a person with videos and such, but he looks and sounds really sick- he is paranoid, he is detached from reality, he has a bizarre thought disorder, he is not rational. trying to find meaning in his words (like you and I give to our thoughts) may not be relevant in this person's case.

from abcnews:
"A court found that Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho was "mentally ill" and potentially dangerous.
In December 2005 -- more than a year before Monday's mass shootings -- a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho presented "an imminent danger to self or others." "

[FUNKMAN]

not much consolation but I'm glad he's dead. saves us a more extensive media circus that would accompany a trial

if killers are caught on video or there are multiple witnesses just pop them one in the head and move on...

[Snacks]

I have mostly stayed out of this discussion, because crazy people will do crazy things. But on what realm of reality do you even think this is even possible? Even if you could get every gun how are you going to stop the bombers? Are you going to regulate or outlaw common use chemicals and plumbing supplies?

I wasnt talking about bombs I was talking about guns. I also didnt say we are going to collect every gun, we need to stop the gun manufacturers from producing so many. They know they arent producing them for legal owners. They know that their guns wind up on the streets and are worth more.

I dont think people are blowing up their colleges and high schools. I think they have used guns.

[cupcakelove]

The only fireworks allowed here are sparklers and smokers. The large scale fireworks are sold in PA, but only if you're from out of state.

While the big fireworks are illegal here, a roadside store not far from my college (it was maybe 10-15 miles south of Roanoke) advertised the illegal stuff on the out side of the store, and had mortars and such sitting out on the shelves. Of course that stuff wouldn't fly in NOVA or other places near civilization, its just a funny story about a different part of the state.

[sr71blackbird]

I find it so odd that Virginia has such slack gun laws and is in such close proximity to Washington DC.

[Dudeman]

nbc and brian williams are trying to push the phrase "multimedia manifesto"

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss_070418_NBC_VATech/ss_070418_vatech_tease2.300w.jpg

The first thing that popped into my head when I saw this was (sic) "told u I was hardcore".

[Don Stugots]

nbc and brian williams are trying to push the phrase "multimedia manifesto"

i am sure it will be trademarked by 9:00 am tomorrow if it hasnt been already.

[PapaBear]

Too bad he didn't pull the trigger earlier.

[Snacks]

nbc and brian williams are trying to push the phrase "multimedia manifesto"

what does that mean and why would do they want to push that phrase?

[PapaBear]

what does that mean and why would do they want to push that phrase?
It means exactly what it says. Pics, video, and writing are multiple types of media, and it was his manifesto.

[Snacks]

here is parts of the video he sent to NBC. Hes fucking nuts, like that weird kid who would sit in the back corner picking his nose and writing weird poetry. Its a tough call when you see people like that. Are they going to be violent or extremly artistict and the next great author?

WE know the answer to the question when it comes to this one.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=2432995&ch=68276&src=news

I wonder why he sent it to NBC? Ho'Reilly calls NBC the worst news cast and most liberal and extremly biast. I wonder if he thought that or is Ho'reilly just making shit up again?

[Patches]

(from the video)

"Do you know what its like to have people sit on your face and have trash shoved on you?"

Actually.. yeah.. I do.

"Just like Jesus"

Wait.. Wha?

"Do you know what its like to bleed on a cross while other.."

Hold it partner..

You do?

Fuck you.

I guarantee I've been through as much bullshit if not more growing up than you have. In fact I would be willing to bet a good 1/3 of this board has. You whiny maladjusted fuck.

People learn to tolerate things. People adjust. Oh so you were the question mark kid in class? oh.. real fucking cool.. Get the fuck over yourself.

I, for a split second, had a drop of sympathy for this piece of shit.

If there is a hell, I hope you roast.

[Patches]

After watching the video, and calming down a bit, I realized i haven't expressed my sympathy.

I don't know if there is anyone here who attends Va Tech, or has family that does (I will read through the entire thread shortly) but I know certainly my thoughts and prayers are with the victims, the families of the victims, the students and alumni of Virginia Tech, and the citizens of Blackburg, VA.

While i know this sympathy is simply breath in the wind, it is all I can offer at this time. May God bless.

[Patches]

sorry.

[Reynolds]

Anyone notice the Korean guy was using a gay baritone voice in the video?

[MrPink]

Anyone notice the Korean guy was using a gay baritone voice in the video?

I told one of my buddies he sounds like Napoleon Dynamite!

I don't like those pics he took with his guns. I got a pic of me and favorite duck gun on my myspace. I shaved my head. Because of him, people that look at my shit will probably think I'm a psychotic. I'd like to know if he has a myspace or a facebook account.

If he were captured alive, I think he should get the chair or injection. He may be "mentally ill", but he knew those weren't paintball coming out of his Glocks. He knew that killing a person is wrong. That is grounds for execution.

[sr71blackbird]

I was wondering:
Who took these pictures and videos? Was he totally alone in this?

[PapaBear]

I was wondering:
Who took these pictures and videos? Was he totally alone in this?
Cameras have self timers. This guy was TOTALLY ALONE.



Edit.. Looking at the latest reports, the videos were in Quicktime format. This tells me he did it with a comp or digital camera. There's no reason to think anyone else was involved in taking the pics or vids.

[A.J.]

I find it so odd that Virginia has such slack gun laws and is in such close proximity to Washington DC.

Headquartered in Toothless Fairfax, VA:

http://media.dabu.com/users/dylan/thumbs/400/259-5994_IMG.jpg

[Dudeman]

(from the video)

"Do you know what its like to have people sit on your face and have trash shoved on you?"

Actually.. yeah.. I do.

"Just like Jesus"

Wait.. Wha?

"Do you know what its like to bleed on a cross while other.."

Hold it partner..

You do?

Fuck you.

I guarantee I've been through as much bullshit if not more growing up than you have. In fact I would be willing to bet a good 1/3 of this board has. You whiny maladjusted fuck.

People learn to tolerate things. People adjust. Oh so you were the question mark kid in class? oh.. real fucking cool.. Get the fuck over yourself.

I, for a split second, had a drop of sympathy for this piece of shit.

If there is a hell, I hope you roast.


he also said:
"Jesus loves crucifying me. You loved introducing cancer in my head "

do you know what it is like to have jesus crucify you? or have cancer introduced into your head? no. but neither did he (in reality). but in his mind he did.

he was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic.

stop taking this guy literally.

[ScottFromGA]

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/SCOTTFROMGA/6389734_BG4.jpg


dont ask my why....but this insane fucker looks like a korean Jimmy Norton with a hammer.

i wonder if he's gonna use that hammer to diddle his grandmothers clit?

[Dirtybird12]

"are you talkin' to me?"

"i'm the only one standing here...so you MUST BE talkin' to me"

NBC FIRES IMUS - FOR A JOKE... (funny or not - it was a joke)
Yet they air Cho's presskit - over & over.
And IMUS is insensitive?
Fuck NBC and mainstream media. ... man

[A.J.]

Looks like this masterpiece is forever tainted.

http://www.margaretcho.com/shop/notorious_poster.jpg

[ScottFromGA]

Looks like this masterpiece is forever tainted.

http://www.margaretcho.com/shop/notorious_poster.jpg

wow...Cho is lookin good for her age and weight....

[Mike Teacher]

I wasnt talking about bombs I was talking about guns. I also didnt say we are going to collect every gun, we need to stop the gun manufacturers from producing so many. They know they arent producing them for legal owners. They know that their guns wind up on the streets and are worth more.

I dont think people are blowing up their colleges and high schools. I think they have used guns.

From Wikipedia, Harris and Klebold's plan was to use bombs, and then shoot the people fleeing:

=

At Columbine, the pair met near Harris' car and armed two 20 pound (9 kg) propane bombs before entering the cafeteria a few minutes before the "A" lunch shift began, placing the duffel bags carrying the bombs inside; each bomb was set to explode at approximately 11:17 a.m.

The bombs had enough explosive power to destroy the entire cafeteria and bring the library above crashing down. Each shooter then returned to his car to wait until the bombs exploded. They intended to open fire on students fleeing the school through the main entrances once the cafeteria bombs detonated.

[Furtherman]

I'm not going to watch this asshole's video.

This is what he wanted. Fame. He got it. Thanks to the media showing his videos and printing his picture over and over and over again.... he wins.

And somewhere, another loner looks on with a smile, and begins to think... "That's what I want."

[FUNKMAN]

I'm not going to watch this asshole's video.

This is what he wanted. Fame. He got it. Thanks to the media showing his videos and printing his picture over and over and over again.... he wins.

And somewhere, another loner looks on with a smile, and begins to think... "That's what I want."

I haven't watched it either, not that that really means a whole lot. as you can see with some of my recent statements about my 'dislike' for a large part of the media, I agree this video should never have been aired. it holds no value to the public other than drawing an interest. I'm wondering if the families of the victims enjoy seeing this guys face every time they turn on the tv? i don't think so

[SatCam]

From Wikipedia, Harris and Klebold's plan was to use bombs, and then shoot the people fleeing:

=

At Columbine, the pair met near Harris' car and armed two 20 pound (9 kg) propane bombs before entering the cafeteria a few minutes before the "A" lunch shift began, placing the duffel bags carrying the bombs inside; each bomb was set to explode at approximately 11:17 a.m.

The bombs had enough explosive power to destroy the entire cafeteria and bring the library above crashing down. Each shooter then returned to his car to wait until the bombs exploded. They intended to open fire on students fleeing the school through the main entrances once the cafeteria bombs detonated.

that is the most amazing part about columbine. If they didnt suck at wiring bombs it wouldve been 500+ dead not 13... no guns needed

[Mike Teacher]

that is the most amazing part about columbine. If they didnt suck at wiring bombs it wouldve been 500+ dead not 13... no guns needed

=

Ya know it sucks coz I left classroom teaching when it became a deal of risk vs. reward. I wasnt thinking risk of being killed, that wasnt at the frony of my mind, I mean the myriad ways a teacher can lose their job and/or end up on the front page of the papers vs. the money. I took a 50% pay cut from my Pharma job to teach.

Anyway, that's why I have a bit of an interest in what happened after Colombine. The blame game had some real legs; everything was blamed.

-Video Games were really scrutinized. Doom was the game of the day, and there were articles that described the gaming world as a 'dark dangerous place' which is utter crap.

-ABout a week after, they found out Eric Harris was taking Luvox one of the SSRI class anti-depressants. Other SSRIs = Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil. Theories of an SSRI induced mass murder were put on the table.

-The 4/20 Hitler connection had people connecting the shooters with cults and gangs and people connected goths and a Trench Coat Mafia, that really didnt exist.

[OK I went and looked this one up coz I wanted to get the quote right]

-You ready for this? [I am neither lefty/right dem/rep/other] Barely two months after the Colombine shootings, Tom DeLay, Majority Whip read the following on the floor of the HOuse of Reps., it was attributed to him but was really a letter he got, but endorsed, and read. Important for understanding that the tone/style of the letter is one of Sarcasm, repeat, Sarcasm:

'It couldnt have been because our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial soup of mud by teaching evoluton as a fact and by handing out condoms as if they were candy.

'It couldnt have been because we teach our children that there are no laws of morality that transcend us, that everything is relative and that actions dont have consequences. What the heck, the president gets away with it.

'Nah, it must have been the guns'

=

So yes, even evolution, as I mentioned before, was blamed for the shootings. Crazy, eh?

[cupcakelove]

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-Video Games were really scrutinized. Doom was the game of the day, and there were articles that described the gaming world as a 'dark dangerous place' which is utter crap.


This really cracked me up, because when this happened, Doom was six years old, which makes it an antique as far as computer games go. There were much more detailed and graphic games out at this point, but for some reason the old school Doom took all the heat. Just an example of how desperate they were to find something to blame.

[MrPink]

There's a 4/20 Hitler connection? 4/20 is about smokin up.

[MrPink]

This really cracked me up, because when this happened, Doom was six years old, which makes it an antique as far as computer games go. There were much more detailed and graphic games out at this point, but for some reason the old school Doom took all the heat. Just an example of how desperate they were to find something to blame.

That's because GTA 3 hadn't come out yet.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

There's a 4/20 Hitler connection? 4/20 is about smokin up.

Then every time you smoke up you celebrate the Fuhrer's birthday.

[pennington]

I'm not going to watch this asshole's video.

This is what he wanted. Fame. He got it. Thanks to the media showing his videos and printing his picture over and over and over again.... he wins.

And somewhere, another loner looks on with a smile, and begins to think... "That's what I want."

My feelings exactly.

And I don't buy the story of how they agonized for hours over the decision. The promos were on the air pretty fast though. They waited for the evening newscast to debut it for the biggest ratings; they could have put it on cable if all they were worried about was sseing what could be learned from this tragedy.

Contemptible. These are the same people who had to fire Imus so quickly because of their high journalistic standards.

[MrPink]

I'm fucking sick of hearing about this. When I first heard about it, I thought thats fucked up and wanted to know more. Now, I don't want to hear about it anymore. I don't want to know what kind of cereal Cho Sung ate that morning. I can't fuckin take it anymore.

[sr71blackbird]

Witness account (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22norris.html?ei=5065&en=261d7a8b7f72d09f&ex=1177819200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print) of the shootings

[Midkiff]

Witness account (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22norris.html?ei=5065&en=261d7a8b7f72d09f&ex=1177819200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print) of the shootings

jesus, that is so fucked up

[Dudeman]

read the more important article. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22vatech.html?hp)

This guy wasn't acting because of violent movies or bullying or a guy just deciding to be evil.

This article (and his manifesto) show that guy had so many features of schoizophrenia- from an early age:

-negative symptoms: inattentiveness, blunted affect, socially withdrawn, irritable, alogia
-positive symtoms: delusions, bizarre behavior, thought disorder, hyperreligiosity, hypersexuality, possible ideas of reference

[sr71blackbird]

read the more important article. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22vatech.html?hp)

This guy wasn't acting because of violent movies or bullying or a guy just deciding to be evil.

This article (and his manifesto) show that guy had so many features of schoizophrenia- from an early age:

-negative symptoms: inattentiveness, blunted affect, socially withdrawn, irritable, alogia
-positive symtoms: delusions, bizarre behavior, thought disorder, hyperreligiosity, hypersexuality, possible ideas of reference

Wow...
I was wondering, did this guy have a myspace page?

[PapaBear]

Wow...
I was wondering, did this guy have a myspace page?
If he did, it would be on mydeathspace (http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2007/04/16/32_people_were_killed_at_Virginia_Tech_University_ on_April_16,_2007)

[Furtherman]

Another sicko at Virginia Tech.

A female graduate student at Virginia Tech was killed Wednesday night when a man she knew attacked her with a knife and decapitated her, a school spokesman said. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/22/virginia.tech.death/index.html)

[cougarjake13]

jesus christ whats wrong with people at va tech


this guy,

last yrs gunman


michael and marcus vick


wtf ??

[sailor]

AP reporting a gunman on the campus. No shooting yet, they're telling everyone to stay indoors.

[Tenbatsuzen]

AP reporting a gunman on the campus. No shooting yet, they're telling everyone to stay indoors.

Looks like a false alarm over nothing

[Jujubees2]

Three kids on campus for a camp reported that they saw a white gut with what appeared to be a gun covered with a cloth but campus police haven't found anyone yet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If there was a legitimate threat, people would be shot by now. Sorry.

[Furtherman]

Three kids on campus for a camp reported that they saw a white gut with what appeared to be a gun covered with a cloth but campus police haven't found anyone yet.

Probably a painter with a long roller and some drop cloths.

[RoseBlood]

Three kids on campus for a camp reported that they saw a white gut with what appeared to be a gun covered with a cloth but campus police haven't found anyone yet.

GROSS!

[Furtherman]

Here we go again.


And I see a lot of people online are praying for VA Tech.

Why bother? No one heard those prayers the first two times. What are they praying for?


If only people would put the same amount of concentration into gun laws than they would prayers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here we go again.


And I see a lot of people online are praying for VA Tech.

Why bother? No one heard those prayers the first two times. What are they praying for?


If only people would put the same amount of concentration into gun laws than they would prayers.

Maybe God hates Hokies

[Judge Smails]

VTEC just kicked in yo

[CountryBob]

Maybe God hates Hokies

Blashphemy!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Were any of the weapons fast and furious related?

[Jujubees2]

If only people would put the same amount of concentration into gun laws than they would prayers.

Blashphemy!

[SonOfSmeagol]

What are they praying for?

any of a number of natural disasters to keep you occupied while they take the world.

[weekapaugjz]

If only people would put the same amount of concentration into gun laws than they would prayers.

right, because we all know gun laws would always prevent shit like this.

[Furtherman]

right, because we all know gun laws would always prevent shit like this.

Stricter ones could help.

[CountryBob]

Not to get preachy here but most people arent politically active or protest and they only have the comfort of praying to their God of choice. It always suprizes me when someone criticizes prayer. It aint hurting you and though it may not help solve the problem - its all most people have to help cope.

[weekapaugjz]

Stricter ones could help.

no, it wouldn't. just stop. people who would something like this would get a gun in their hands no matter what the laws were.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Not to get preachy here but most people arent politically active or protest and they only have the comfort of praying to their God of choice. It always suprizes me when someone criticizes prayer. It aint hurting you and though it may not help solve the problem - its all most people have to help cope.

very true. It's no different than the guy on the other extreme who asks "why are you not praying?"

[Furtherman]

no, it wouldn't. just stop. people who would something like this would get a gun in their hands no matter what the laws were.

Easy cheetah... I'm not advocating eliminating guns. I never have. Every case is different, but it is a fact that the crazy Asian who killed all those students got his gun way too easily. Stricter laws - like a simple background check - might have prevented that instance.


And the prayer thing I just see has selfish public intention - oh look I'm doing a good thing! Are ya? Well, the bible says public displays of prayer is hypocritical, so if you want to do it right - keep it to yourself.

[weekapaugjz]

Easy cheetah... I'm not advocating eliminating guns. I never have. Every case is different, but it is a fact that the crazy Asian who killed all those students got his gun way too easily. Stricter laws - like a simple background check - might have prevented that instance.

and that crazy asian would have found a gun even if he failed a background check. maybe instead of focusing on guns (which isn't the problem) we need to focus more on the people who cause these problems that need help before they get to a position in life where they'd need a gun.

[Furtherman]

and that crazy asian would have found a gun even if he failed a background check. maybe instead of focusing on guns (which isn't the problem) we need to focus more on the people who cause these problems that need help they need before they get to a position in life where they'd need a gun.

Debatable. Maybe he would gotten frustrated and gave up. Maybe he would have just killed his roommate. Maybe he just would have killed himself. Maybe he would have stopped at Burger King on the way home, had the best Whopper of his life, and decided life was worth living.

Maybe he had no idea how to buy an illegal one. Maybe he would have went to the hood, asked for a gun and ended up arrested or shot himself?

A simple background check might have helped, that's not too much to ask for a gun, is it?

[RoseBlood]

no, it wouldn't. just stop. people who would something like this would get a gun in their hands no matter what the laws were.

Some burglars are going to break into your home no matter what, you still lock your doors at night right?

Not to get preachy here but most people arent politically active or protest and they only have the comfort of praying to their God of choice. It always suprizes me when someone criticizes prayer. It aint hurting you and though it may not help solve the problem - its all most people have to help cope.

Maybe it's all they've been taught, but prayer is not the only thing people have to cope. No god is going to answer these peoples prayers and like you said it won't solve the problem, so why do it? Prayer is self-serving, it simply functions like meditation for those willing to buy into it.

[weekapaugjz]

A simple background check might have helped, that's not too much to ask for a gun, is it?

if you think increasing gun laws and making sure background checks are used more often is going to prevent any type of gun violence you're delusional.

[RoseBlood]

and that crazy asian would have found a gun even if he failed a background check. maybe instead of focusing on guns (which isn't the problem) we need to focus more on the people who cause these problems that need help before they get to a position in life where they'd need a gun.

Can't we focus on both?

[weekapaugjz]

Some burglars are going to break into your home no matter what, you still lock your doors at night right?.

let's hope i'm home at the time so they can be at the end of my shotgun. :wink:



and hello. long time no see round these parts.

[weekapaugjz]

i apologize if my personal views of guns or gun law has taken away from what has happened today. it was a disgusting act of violence and i hope the person is caught swiftly and prosecuted fully.

[Furtherman]

if you think increasing gun laws and making sure background checks are used more often is going to prevent any type of gun violence you're delusional.

Well then call me crazy.

I think a background check would help weed out a few of the locos who wouldn't have a clue where else to get a gun and might attract suspicion if they started asking around. An impossible scenario, but maybe we'd get lucky.

[Dude!]

they should just close
that awful school

[CountryBob]

Some burglars are going to break into your home no matter what, you still lock your doors at night right?



Maybe it's all they've been taught, but prayer is not the only thing people have to cope. No god is going to answer these peoples prayers and like you said it won't solve the problem, so why do it? Prayer is self-serving, it simply functions like meditation for those willing to buy into it.

I dont think that prayer is the only thing you can do but for most, it is all that they have. And I know first hand how prayer does not solve problems as I prayed my ass off during my Mom's cancer and she died horrifically anyway.

Not all people are able to fight the fight, and some are incapable of compassion. Let the meek pray and the strong fight the battles.