LCD Vs Plasma

[furie]

Which is better, LCD or Plama TV's? What are the advantages or disadvantages of either?

[jetdog]

I think plasma has a real disadvantage if you play games on it, or watch something like CNN or ESPN that have tickers all the time, patterns can get burned into the screen, you'll eventually see the silluete of the images all the time. Or was that LCD? Shit, I can't remember...

[ScottFromGA]

I think plasma has a real disadvantage if you play games on it, or watch something like CNN or ESPN that have tickers all the time, patterns can get burned into the screen, you'll eventually see the silluete of the images all the time. Or was that LCD? Shit, I can't remember...

my LCD does that sometimes...almost like it lags...

overall im happy with my Vizio, its only a 37 inch screen but it looks much bigger than that.

[Bob Impact]

My company has a LOT of good info on these questions on our website (not to be a whore) http://askchris.tweeter.com/expert_answers.asp#TV

As far as gaming goes, LCD is still the winner, hands down over plasma.

[midwestjeff]

LSD is the only way to go.

[Bob Impact]

LSD is the only way to go.

That IS a vivid picture.

[Skellington]

We ended up get a 40 inch wide screen LCD. You need to check the refresh rates and pixels, but we really have had no issue. And Stubbs the Zombie looks amazing..........

[JPMNICK]

I would def recomend an LCD over a plasma. I think the picture is clearer, and in the last year they have surpased plasma in basically every department.

[Bob Impact]

I would def recomend an LCD over a plasma. I think the picture is clearer, and in the last year they have surpased plasma in basically every department.

Except for contrast and black levels this is true.

[Mike Teacher]

I love the big screens, but they're not very... big. I know this is off-topic but I'm about to buy another DLP Projector, for about $800, and I can watch a widescreen image that is about 8 feet wide, and could be bigger then that if you trade off brightness.

It may be something about the psychology of seeing a front projected image, but man I love my projector. Definite disadvantages, a dark room is necesary, but again, the dark makes it, for me, a bit more Cinema Paradiso.

[Ritalin]

I love the big screens, but they're not very... big. I know this is off-topic but I'm about to buy another DLP Projector, for about $800, and I can watch a widescreen image that is about 8 feet wide, and could be bigger then that if you trade off brightness.

It may be something about the psychology of seeing a front projected image, but man I love my projector. Definite disadvantages, a dark room is necesary, but again, the dark makes it, for me, a bit more Cinema Paradiso.

I've watched a front projected game before - this year's Super Bowl actually - and it is nice, but you can't get it high def, right? That's a definite drawback

[lleeder]

its only a... but it looks much bigger than that.

How many times do you use that with the ladies?

[Furtherman]

Which is better, LCD or Plama TV's? What are the advantages or disadvantages of either?


I was at Nielsen conference a couple of months ago and a tech guy got up to speak about the new developments in television technology.

The two things I came away with his talk was not to worry about HD-DVD & Blue Ray DVD because there will be DVD players out by the end of the year that will play both versions... AND.. although LCD and Plasma are equally good - it's LCD that will live on while Plasma will fade out in the upcoming years.

[ScottFromGA]

We ended up get a 40 inch wide screen LCD. You need to check the refresh rates and pixels, but we really have had no issue. And Stubbs the Zombie looks amazing..........

im not sure how to check or adjust mine on my Vizio, if thats even possible at all.....need to read the manual, i suppose.

[bigredd]

I've got the 50" Sony SXRD LCD projection and I LOVE it. If you're not looking to mount it on the wall I'd highly reccommend it.

[furie]

yeah, it looks like we're going to go with an LCD tv.
Sear's has some good prices on the Sony Wega

[Bob Impact]

The two things I came away with his talk was not to worry about HD-DVD & Blue Ray DVD because there will be DVD players out by the end of the year that will play both versions... AND.. although LCD and Plasma are equally good - it's LCD that will live on while Plasma will fade out in the upcoming years.
Two things, one: I would avoid the combo unit in the first generation personally. Two: The whole "plasma will fade out" argument really depends on who you talk to, there are still wide gaps that LCD needs to clear before they can even think about plasma fading out, not the least of which is their performance in head to head contrast and black level comparison with plasma, and the "wash out factor." LCD, as the older of the two technologies, will probably last a bit longer, but plasmas will be around for a good long while.

im not sure how to check or adjust mine on my Vizio, if thats even possible at all.....need to read the manual, i suppose.
Your Vizio cannot change it's refresh rate to the point that it won't lag, some of the very very new LCDs will be much better, look for a model that advertises a 120Hz refresh rate.

yeah, it looks like we're going to go with an LCD tv.
Sear's has some good prices on the Sony Wega

Everyone should be the same price on TVs. I won't pimp my company here, and if I could edit my post above I would pull out the reference I made to them, but the simplest advice I could give is that you do not want to buy a TV from a place with clerks. You want a salesman who is driven to take care of you. Call it marketing all you want, and tell me all your horror stories about my place, because 85% of my job is fixing mistakes from other stores, and i'm a very small cog in my company.

[furie]

Everyone should be the same price on TVs. I won't pimp my company here, and if I could edit my post above I would pull out the reference I made to them, but the simplest advice I could give is that you do not want to buy a TV from a place with clerks. You want a salesman who is driven to take care of you. Call it marketing all you want, and tell me all your horror stories about my place, because 85% of my job is fixing mistakes from other stores, and i'm a very small cog in my company.

why should i give a fuck if it's a salesmen or clerk? If i find a tv that i want for a good price and it has all the features i need , why should i have someone stand with me trying to push an overstocked item on me?

[Bob Impact]

why should i give a fuck if it's a salesmen or clerk? If i find a tv that i want for a good price and it has all the features i need , why should i have someone stand with me trying to push an overstocked item on me?
Nevermind. Buy it from a clerk.

[furie]

Nevermind. Buy it from a clerk.

no seriously, explain the saleman advantage

[Bob Impact]

no seriously, explain the saleman advantage

Would you rather have someone who wants refferal business from you taking care of you, or some clerk who gets the same amount of money whether your happy or not? Would you rather ask questions of someone with extensive training in the subject over the course of a multi-year career or some kid who read a pamphlet online? Would you rather have someone who knows that a TV is over or understocked, and when they'll get more, or someone who ONLY knows what they have in stock, doesn't know when they'll get more in stock, and is FORCED to push what is in stock? I've been in this industry for WAY too long to believe for half a second that buying a TV at a big box store is anything like buying from a real retailer. As far as a "deal" goes, tell the salesman what you can buy the TV for at another location, and they'll match it. Everywhere.

[Bob Impact]

BTW, most of the deals on Sear's website are for TVs that are at least one model year old.
Edit: AND on the 60'' A2020(the new one) they're more expensive than me, by $300 dollars. The "big stores" definetly aren't always where you get the deals.

[furie]

everytime i've dealt with a saleman it is a terror. either the pushy hard sell or the self serving commision guy.
and what repeat buisness? i'm buying a TV. how often to people buy tv's? every 5, maybe ten years? he won't be there when i go back.
and if i do the research, i don't need him to answer questions. those answers usually parly into something he wants to show me rather than focusing in on what i asked.

[Bob Impact]

everytime i've dealt with a saleman it is a terror. either the pushy hard sell or the self serving commision guy.
and what repeat buisness? i'm buying a TV. how often to people buy tv's? every 5, maybe ten years? he won't be there when i go back.
and if i do the research, i don't need him to answer questions. those answers usually parly into something he wants to show me rather than focusing in on what i asked.
We don't want return business as much as we want referral business, there's a difference. Do what you want.

[Bob Impact]

We never really talked what to look for when you're buying so here's a quick version:

1) If you're looking at LCD/Plasma Flat Panel and you can wait, do so. The new models are shipping now so there will be good closeout deals coming soon. The newer LCDs are going to be much more heavily 1080p and 120Hz sets at a lower price so it may be worth waiting for that if you plan on doing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray in the future, or if you play a lot of games, watch a lot of sports, etc... The plasmas are moving into 1080p too, so if you don't need it you can get a great deal on an older panel(especially Pioneer Elites) which will still look great, better than most 1080i/p LCDs in fact.

2) If you're looking rear projection (DLP/SXRD) make sure you ask about bulb replacement. EVERY DLP OR SXRD TV currently on the market requires a bulb replacement at some point in it's lifespan. The traditional bulbs average about three years of life, but it all depends on how much you watch TV. Some higher end Sonys come with a replacement bulb, and some Samsungs use a LED Bulb that has a longer life. Make sure you know if the extended warranty package that you're place offers a bulb replacement, and what the restrictions on that are. Some places will sell a 5 year warranty with a 3 year bulb coverage, which is pointless if you don't watch a lot of TV. The best places will give you a 5 year coverage on the TV and a single bulb replacement in those 5 years. You are almost guaranteed to use that replacement. Considering the bulbs cost anywhere from $200-400, and if you don't want to do it yourself the labor will be $100-200 or so, it's worth it.

[Death Metal Moe]

I have a 19" tube TV that I haven't turned on since "The Puppy Bowl" in January. Fuck LCD and Plasma in their asses.

[Bob Impact]

I have a 19" tube TV that I haven't turned on since "The Puppy Bowl" in January. Fuck LCD and Plasma in their asses.

For someone who sells them i'm more with you. I understand the draw to a good TV, but I've still got my old tube that hasn't been turned on since, well, I guess the last time Sarah watched something on it.

[underdog]

1) If you're looking at LCD/Plasma Flat Panel and you can wait, do so. The new models are shipping now so there will be good closeout deals coming soon. The newer LCDs are going to be much more heavily 1080p and 120Hz sets at a lower price so it may be worth waiting for that if you plan on doing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray in the future, or if you play a lot of games, watch a lot of sports, etc... The plasmas are moving into 1080p too, so if you don't need it you can get a great deal on an older panel(especially Pioneer Elites) which will still look great, better than most 1080i/p LCDs in fact.

While looking for information on whether I should buy Plasma or LCD, I stumbled across information on something like Laser TV or something that is supposed to be coming out at some point this year, with the features of LCD and Plasma, but with a lower price.

Have you heard anything about these new tvs?

I'm even more confused then I was when I started looking for info. My original thought was leaning towards a 50" Pioneer Elite Plasma, but I play a decent amount of games, so now I'm looking at more LCDs. But when I read reviews, the plasmas are still ahead of the LCDs in overall performance and ratings, or so it seems.

I think I'm just going to give up and just buy another Mitsubishi. Fuck everything else, nothing has worked as well as my Mitsu tv.

[Bob Impact]

While looking for information on whether I should buy Plasma or LCD, I stumbled across information on something like Laser TV or something that is supposed to be coming out at some point this year, with the features of LCD and Plasma, but with a lower price.

Have you heard anything about these new tvs?

I'm even more confused then I was when I started looking for info. My original thought was leaning towards a 50" Pioneer Elite Plasma, but I play a decent amount of games, so now I'm looking at more LCDs. But when I read reviews, the plasmas are still ahead of the LCDs in overall performance and ratings, or so it seems.

I think I'm just going to give up and just buy another Mitsubishi. Fuck everything else, nothing has worked as well as my Mitsu tv.

I've heard about the Laser TVs, but haven't seen anything approaching reality on that. Mitsu tends to throw out all kinds of crazy stuff every so often. The Pioneer Elite is still the best television on the market for my money. Again if you need to play a lot of games go LCD, 120Hz.

[underdog]

I've heard about the Laser TVs, but haven't seen anything approaching reality on that. Mitsu tends to throw out all kinds of crazy stuff every so often. The Pioneer Elite is still the best television on the market for my money. Again if you need to play a lot of games go LCD, 120Hz.

Everything I read about the laser tvs, the release date keeps getting pushed back.

What 120hz LCDs would you recommend?

[Bob Impact]

Everything I read about the laser tvs, the release date keeps getting pushed back.

What 120hz LCDs would you recommend?

That's par for the course with Mitsu, it'll come out eventually. They were also talking about some kind of film LCD for a while. As far as good LCDs go, they aren't out yet, but the new Sony KDL40V3000 and XBR4 are slotted to be 120Hz TVs.

[furie]

We never really talked what to look for when you're buying so here's a quick version:

1) If you're looking at LCD/Plasma Flat Panel and you can wait, do so. The new models are shipping now so there will be good closeout deals coming soon. The newer LCDs are going to be much more heavily 1080p and 120Hz sets at a lower price so it may be worth waiting for that if you plan on doing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray in the future, or if you play a lot of games, watch a lot of sports, etc... The plasmas are moving into 1080p too, so if you don't need it you can get a great deal on an older panel(especially Pioneer Elites) which will still look great, better than most 1080i/p LCDs in fact.


i can't wait. my last TV, a 36 inch crt just shit the bed. that's why i am in the market for a new one.

[Bob Impact]

i can't wait. my last TV, a 36 inch crt just shit the bed. that's why i am in the market for a new one.

As long as the TVs not in direct sunlight I would go 40-inch LCD, I prefer Sony, and a 1080p set if you've got the budget for it. Look at the KDL40V2500, great set for the money and should be lower in price everywhere because the new model is coming soon.

[furie]

As long as the TVs not in direct sunlight I would go 40-inch LCD, I prefer Sony, and a 1080p set if you've got the budget for it. Look at the KDL40V2500, great set for the money and should be lower in price everywhere because the new model is coming soon.

i've got $1600-2000 to spend on a set. I was looking at the Sony's

[Bob Impact]

i've got $1600-2000 to spend on a set. I was looking at the Sony's
Two questions...
Are you looking to hang the TV on the wall?
Are you planning on Hi-Def?

[furie]

Two questions...
Are you looking to hang the TV on the wall?
Are you planning on Hi-Def?

No, and Yes

[Bob Impact]

No, and Yes

Most of the Sony's are out of your range at floored pricing, but you could easily get a V2500 close. You're gonna save a ton by pedestal mounting it because you don't need any brackets or potential install. For a 40'' you'll want to get a good but not great set of cables for it. Contact your provider and see what outputs the boxes have. If you give up 1080p you can get a great Samsung set for around 1800. I would say go to the store and get an idea of what you like as far as aesthetics and image quality. Don't get too caught up in numbers, 1080p is nice, but it's not as important as a good picture is.

[furie]

best buy has a Sony 46" Grand WEGA Rear-Projection LCD HDTV for $1500

[Bob Impact]

best buy has a Sony 46" Grand WEGA Rear-Projection LCD HDTV for $1500

Got a model number?

[furie]

Kdf-46e2000

[Bob Impact]

Kdf-46e2000

Nice TV, old model, make sure it isn't a floor model, if it is it's probably a return or it has a LOT of hours on the bulb. I'm not a huge fan of BB warranty, but its probably worth it on this set, repair costs on rear projection sets are ridiculous.

[SatCam]

Nice TV, old model, make sure it isn't a floor model, if it is it's probably a return or it has a LOT of hours on the bulb. I'm not a huge fan of BB warranty, but its probably worth it on this set, repair costs on rear projection sets are ridiculous.

boy you sure love those floor models

[Bob Impact]

boy you sure love those floor models

Smartass. Im not working tommorow, so you can't abuse me.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I figured Bob would have atleast 50% of the Posts in this Thread



I like my friends DLP,very good Picture

:king:

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK, I'm in the market now. Mainly because the Jets are playing the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.

I am planning to buy before football season starts, so I'm saving a portion of my paycheck. I'm not going to finance through the company or the store. That's just poor.

I want a 50 inch. I can mount it on a wall, but I can also stand it up. (IKEA, HELLO!)


I have gaming systems, I don't game a lot. Was looking at Plasma, but now, reading this thread, I'm bouncing back towards LCD.

I have about 2K to spend.

[BeltOfScotch]

Unless you want to get it in the next two weeks or so, wait until Labor Day sales, my old roommate got a great deal on a TV at that time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Unless you want to get it in the next two weeks or so, wait until Labor Day sales, my old roommate got a great deal on a TV at that time.

That's what I'm planning to wait for, right before football season.

[suggums]

there is a definite difference between a good salesman and a retail clerk, mad props to bob impact for the help. i'm not even in the market and found this very informative!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I saw the Panasonic 50' plasma and I fell in love. It's not a bad deal either for 2300 at Best Buy (although I can probably find a better deal online)

That being said, the Panasonic picture looks good 1-2 feet away, and awesome 8-10 feet away.

I know it's plasma, but come on.

BTW, what's the deal with "sunny rooms" - does it really affect plasma that much?

[JPMNICK]

I saw the Panasonic 50' plasma and I fell in love. It's not a bad deal either for 2300 at Best Buy (although I can probably find a better deal online)

That being said, the Panasonic picture looks good 1-2 feet away, and awesome 8-10 feet away.

I know it's plasma, but come on.

BTW, what's the deal with "sunny rooms" - does it really affect plasma that much?

I have seen plasma's in my friends house that were near a window, and watching a day time yankee game you could not follow the ball at all. it really killed the picture. i am not saying an LCD would be much better, but the plasma sucked.

[underdog]

I saw the Panasonic 50' plasma and I fell in love. It's not a bad deal either for 2300 at Best Buy (although I can probably find a better deal online)

I was looking at that one online. I guess I'll go check it out in store.

I have seen plasma's in my friends house that were near a window, and watching a day time yankee game you could not follow the ball at all. it really killed the picture. i am not saying an LCD would be much better, but the plasma sucked.

LCD have an anti-glare screen, so they should be much better than plasmas.