Wow America is changing

[Snacks]

I guess Sharpton is winning. Now one of the leaders in the rap game thinks the words, ho, nigger and bitch should be banned from hip hop albums. Russel Simmons has changed his views from only a few days ago.

I remember a time back when we had freedom of speech in America. When you could change the channel or not buy something you didnt like or were offended by. Now whatever someone else doesnt like needs to be what no one likes.

I cant believe what is happening, it amazes me. Next thing you know someone is going to go to jail for saying one of these words.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/music_nm/usa_hiphop_dc

[HBox]

Simmons, co-founder of the Def Jam label and a driving force behind hip-hop's huge commercial success, called for voluntary restrictions on the words and setting up an industry watchdog to recommend guidelines for lyrical and visual standards.

Can we please read these articles first? Nobody wants to ban anything.

[jetdog]

Simmons has his FU money, he doesn't have to stand up for anything anymore, even if it is something that he made millions with. He's probably just saying that shit to keep people off his back.

[Midkiff]

Leave it to the _______ to screw up our Constitution.

[Snacks]

Can we please read these articles first? Nobody wants to ban anything.

I did read it and asking that they get rid of these words is all he can do. He cant force the issue but just the fact that he is asking is a shock.

We recommend that the recording and broadcast industries voluntarily remove/bleep/delete the misogynistic words 'bitch' and 'ho' and the racially offensive word 'nigger'," Simmons and Benjamin Chavis, co-chairmen of the advocacy group Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, said in a statement.

No law will ever be written ( I hope not) but for a big time hip hop name doing this makes it seem like people dont want anyone to be offend anyone.

[Gvac]

Wow America is changing

Sometimes when I think about how far we've veered off track compared to the vision our founding fathers had I picture myself like that crying American Indian in the old litter commercials.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/82/CryingIndian.jpg

[MrPink]

Looks like we are about to become the PCSA. Politically Correct States of America.

[Tall_James]

I picture myself like that crying American Indian in the old litter commercials.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/82/CryingIndian.jpg

That's funny, I sometimes think of myself as this advertising icon...

http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/greengiant.jpg

[Tall_James]

Oops. My cucumber is showing.

[AgnosticJihad]

That's funny, I sometimes think of myself as this advertising icon...

http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/greengiant.jpg

uh...wasn't the crying Indian part of a PSA, not an ad?

Simmons is a hypocrite. Fuck him and what he says. What a bitch ho nigger.

[Tall_James]

uh...wasn't the crying Indian part of a PSA, not an ad?


Too bad. I wanted to post a picture of the Jolly Green Giant with a giant cucumber schlong and I took the opportunity.

ARTISTIC LICENSE !!!

[AgnosticJihad]

Too bad. I wanted to post a picture of the Jolly Green Giant with a giant cucumber schlong and I took the opportunity.

ARTISTIC LICENSE !!!

no prob. Just checking to make sure I remembered correctly.

[Crippler]

Sometimes when I think about how far we've veered off track compared to the vision our founding fathers had I picture myself like that crying American Indian in the old litter commercials.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/82/CryingIndian.jpg

If you really want to feel like shit, consider that the tear was glycerin & the "Native American" was a guinea. We've been living a lie!!

[jetdog]

If you really want to feel like shit, consider that the tear was glycerin & the "Native American" was a guinea. We've been living a lie!!
that tear does look painfully viscous....like he spooged out of his eyeball...

[Yerdaddy]

I'm confused. From what little I read it seemed like the main reason Imus shouldn't be punished was that what rappers said about black women was worse.

what Imus said = bad
what rappers say = really bad

But if rappers now stop using racist and mysogenistic things about black women - and that's bad too... then the Imus defense doesn't make sense.

Unless:

what Imus said = good
what rappers say = good

Now there's consistency. Imus should not lose his job. Rappers shouldn't change their ways. Everybody happy. So what some of you are saying is simply that racism and mysogeny are good. That's the only way these two stories make sense together.

[AppleBoy]

If you really want to feel like shit, consider that the tear was glycerin & the "Native American" was a guinea. We've been living a lie!!

Maybe he was crying because someone stole his spicy meatball.

[A.J.]

So what some of you are saying is simply that racism and mysogeny are good.


"Let that hate OUT!"

http://image1.frappr.com/pix1/i/20061004/b/8/e/b8e60d106fd060947e0eda5128fff2b70_small.jpg

[cupcakelove]

what Imus said = good
what rappers say = good



Rappers singing about eating babies = no good

[sailor]

Can we please read these articles first? Nobody wants to ban anything.

he's calling for the words to be voluntarily deleted/beeped. even without government backing, i'd call that a ban and censorship of the artists (he's calling for their labels to alter the artists' original content).

Simmons has his FU money, he doesn't have to stand up for anything anymore, even if it is something that he made millions with. He's probably just saying that shit to keep people off his back.

you're saying he has FU money, then is giving in to get people off his back. isn't that the opposite of what having FU money is all aboot?

If you really want to feel like shit, consider that the tear was glycerin & the "Native American" was a guinea. We've been living a lie!!

why wouldn't you post a link (http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/ironeyes.htm) to that info?

[sailor]

Now there's consistency. Imus should not lose his job. Rappers shouldn't change their ways. Everybody happy. So what some of you are saying is simply that racism and mysogeny are good. That's the only way these two stories make sense together.

or, maybe freedom of speech is good? i would think you'd be totally behind that.

[Death Metal Moe]

Leave it to the _______ to screw up our Constitution.

::SILENT WHITEBOY CHUCKLE::

[Midkiff]

::SILENT WHITEBOY CHUCKLE::

I'm glad somebody got it!

[sailor]

I'm glad somebody got it!

i think we all did. "entrepreneurs." duh.

[Yerdaddy]

he's calling for the words to be voluntarily deleted/beeped. even without government backing, i'd call that a ban and censorship of the artists (he's calling for their labels to alter the artists' original content).

You'd be wrong. (http://www.m-w.com)

You're defining free speech as the existence of offensive epitets and that's insane. If you work as a waiter at Denny's and you said to three blue-haired customers "Would you like to try the Moons Over My Hammy you filthy cum-chugging whores?" and your boss fired you, would you call that censorship?

If you were writing a children's book and you decided not to put pictures of Paris Hilton taking it in the can in the back of a taxi, would you call that censorship?

If I had a science website and I decided not to post instructions on how to build a nuclear dirty-bomb and suggested fellow scientists did the same, is that censorship by your definition?

Imus was fired by his boss because they didn't want to lose money. He knew the rules and he fucked up and got fired. Not censorship. The two negative images of the Oompa Loompas did not censor him. They have little credibility amongst the 12% of America that is black much less the whole country and more than half of America thought Imus should have been fired. Media companies fire people who piss off half of their target market. They have the freedom to do that.

Simmons wants to voluntarily stop using words that insult people in the music he produces and he suggested the rap industry do the same. Where is the censorship?

These are elementary concepts. I'm struggling to understand why this is even being debated. You can disagree with these decisions, but that doesn't make it censorship. Although, honestly, why would you disagree with Simmons' idea, you cracker-ass honkey white-devil motherfuckers?

[Midkiff]

i think we all did. "entrepreneurs." duh.

:lol:

[sailor]

You'd be wrong. (http://www.m-w.com)

You're defining free speech as the existence of offensive epitets and that's insane. If you work as a waiter at Denny's and you said to three blue-haired customers "Would you like to try the Moons Over My Hammy you filthy cum-chugging whores?" and your boss fired you, would you call that censorship?

If you were writing a children's book and you decided not to put pictures of Paris Hilton taking it in the can in the back of a taxi, would you call that censorship?

If I had a science website and I decided not to post instructions on how to build a nuclear dirty-bomb and suggested fellow scientists did the same, is that censorship by your definition?

Imus was fired by his boss because they didn't want to lose money. He knew the rules and he fucked up and got fired. Not censorship. The two negative images of the Oompa Loompas did not censor him. They have little credibility amongst the 12% of America that is black much less the whole country and more than half of America thought Imus should have been fired. Media companies fire people who piss off half of their target market. They have the freedom to do that.

Simmons wants to voluntarily stop using words that insult people in the music he produces and he suggested the rap industry do the same. Where is the censorship?

These are elementary concepts. I'm struggling to understand why this is even being debated. You can disagree with these decisions, but that doesn't make it censorship. Although, honestly, why would you disagree with Simmons' idea, you cracker-ass honkey white-devil motherfuckers?

from the aclu web-site:
Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups. Censorship by the government is unconstitutional.

and he's not trying to just do this with his own label. he's trying to pressure all other labels to enact these "voluntary" standards. yes, certainly cbs and msnbc (or def jam) can hire and fire who-so-ever they want, willy-nilly. no one disputed that. it's the act of forcing your morals on another person or group that's censorship.

[TheMojoPin]

So what's the magical formula that changes "voluntary" into "mandatory?" I seem to be missing that.

[sailor]

So what's the magical formula that changes "voluntary" into "mandatory?" I seem to be missing that.

time

[KnoxHarrington]

Remember that the MPAA's rating code system is fully voluntary. You don't have to get a rating for your movie at all.

Good luck finding anywhere to play it without a rating, though. And good luck getting any sort of money to make it if you say it's going to go out unrated.

[Yerdaddy]

from the aclu web-site:


and he's not trying to just do this with his own label. he's trying to pressure all other labels to enact these "voluntary" standards. yes, certainly cbs and msnbc (or def jam) can hire and fire who-so-ever they want, willy-nilly. no one disputed that. it's the act of forcing your morals on another person or group that's censorship.

Oh for fuck's sake! How is Russel Simmons pressuring anyone? He's suggested voluntary standards. What the fuck is wrong with that? It should be unarguable that the words Simmons is talking about are deemed to be offensive to the majority of people they are attributable to. So if the standards were accepted by record companies they would simply be joining the ranks of public schools in which a principle cannot come over the intercom and say "you little cocksuckers better behave yourselves today!" Or Jerry Fallwell's TV network which is unlikely to broadcast a documentary entitled "Was Jesus a Faggot, or Just a Black Guy With Facial Hair?" Or the local Walmart which probably has a policy that forbids employees from saying on the intercom: "Poor people get out!" Or this message board which won't let me post pictures of reeshy's sister naked, (not because she's naked, but because she looks alot like reeshy!) Do you blame any of these groups or businesses for accepting these codes as their own moral standards, or do they all have to say "nigger! nigger! nigger ho!" in order to truly be free?

(BTW I'm not really taking this issue seriously anymore, I'm just thinking up silly censorship rules now.)

[EliSnow]

Leave it to the _______ to screw up our Constitution.

How is the Constitution being screwed up? The First Amendment protects the right of free speech from government intrusion. It does not stop anyone from using commercial persuasion to say what they want. It also doesn't guarantee anyone the right to have a company create or distribute its rap album.

While I don't think this is great news, I do think we need to think about the news intelligently, and not go on an "outrage" about the First Amendment being violated, when it clearly isn't.

[SarahImpact]

It does not stop anyone from using commercial persuasion to say what they want. It also doesn't guarantee anyone the right to have a company create or distribute its rap album.


Your exactly right. Although, the current business world that we have today could not have been anticipated. I'm not saying whether or not all of this is right or wrong, but I do think that many people don't know what their rights are because they never read he Constitution themselves. Many of the ideals that we live by today aren't always guaranteed by the Constitution because the world we live in is completely different than it was when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution. Also, the Constitution can be interpreted in many different ways because it was written loosely to be able to grow with the changes of the country.

[lleeder]

If they ban the word "ho" Hacksaw Jim Dugan will have nothing to say in promos.

[MrPink]

Leave it to the _______ to screw up our Constitution.

fuckin naggers

[TheMojoPin]

Yerdaddy has still made the most awesome point of all time:

Black guys: "Hey, Imus is a racist douche...let's get him punished for his crappy joke."

White guys: "Why don't 'you people' look at your own rap music and the content there, too?!?"

Black guys: "OK, we'll do just that!"

White guys: "............."

White guys: "SAVE FREE SPEECH!!! HOW DARE THEY ATTACK OUR PRECIOUS HIP-HOP!!!"

[badmonkey]

Yerdaddy has still made the most awesome point of all time:

Black guys: "Hey, Imus is a racist douche...let's get him punished for his crappy joke."

White guys: "Why don't 'you people' look at your own rap music and the content there, too?!?"

Black guys: "OK, we'll do just that!"

White guys: "............."

White guys: "SAVE FREE SPEECH!!! HOW DARE THEY ATTACK OUR PRECIOUS HIP-HOP!!!"

Beautifully put, both of you.

Badmonkey

[Gvac]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone could just stop crying every time their feelings were hurt, or when they were told their feelings should be hurt?

It'll never happen.

There's too much money to be made in this world if you're a crybaby.

[ChimneyFish]

Or Jerry Fallwell's TV network which is unlikely to broadcast a documentary entitled "Was Jesus a Faggot, or Just a Black Guy With Facial Hair?"




I don't mean to ruin the seriousness of the topic, but I'd really enjoy seeing this.
Anyone know where I can procure a copy????

[Midkiff]

Right on. I would actually legally pay for that flick.

[BLZBUBBA]

I'm offended by the notion that all GREEN GIANTS have big green cucumber schlongs. That's a stereotype and is unacceptable in today's society.

[HBox]

We don't have free speech on this message board. All politics is local people! Start where you live. DOWN WITH MIKEYBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!