Spiderman 3 spoilers and talk

[Flea_Man]

Just got back. Good, not great.


Theres one part that really stuck out in my mind as uber super cheesy and gave me douche chills. When Spiderman is about to fight Venom/Sandman, the crowd all looks at him swinging in, and he lands on the building with the American flag, and starts running and they all cheer. It was so....... over the top, trying to be patriotic. Kind of took me out of "its a comic book movie" to "we're going to send a message out to the public". Ugh..... we get it, Spiderman is an all American good guy hero. I can't wait for all the Europeans and Japanese to have a field day burning down all Spiderman posters and toys.

There was waaaaaaay too much attention to Peter/MJ. UUUUGGGGGHHHHH. Yes I know its a major part and they're in love. The French resturant scene (Bruce Cambell ruled btw), MJ was a BITCH. Come on, he kissed a girl and shes in his class. Big woop. Why couldn't she just come out and say "Don't kiss other girls. And I got fired and I'm depressed". Stop being so "you don't walk in my shoes" and explain yourself. But I will say, I liked Harry in the movie.

Which I really liked when Peter Parker was a dick. Walking through the city, macking it with that chick at work, even that dance part, he such a prick. That made me for real laugh and enjoyed it. When he kicked Harry's ass and burned that SOB, I was cheering. "aww Goblin jr, you gonna cry?" :lol:

I thought Sandman was incredible and had enough character that he deserved to stay in the movie. He had a little too much time, and I would have combined the two individual fights into one big one, cut back a little on the time, and made way for more Venom.

Which is something they really needed to do. Venom RULES. He looked AMAZING in the movie. Loved the whole look. But, if they cut back on some of the blubbering with Peter/MJ, cut back on some Sandman fights, they really really could have benefited from one individual fight between Spidey and Venom. Just have them battle somewhere and establish why Eddie hates Peter so much, and have them go at it, and have Venom go "its not over yet, Parker" and have him leave to go find Sandman.

I liked the acting and the story was very well done. It all made sense around each other and nothing felt out of place. The last fight scene was the best part, and the ending worked very well. I don't think there will be another Spiderman movie. I would like one, but it better work within the story.

Overall....... I liked the movie. I may be very nit-picky but that's just what happens when you're a comic book fan. Definitely go see it.

[Tall_James]

Sorry for the edit Flea Man but there's a lot of folks waiting to see this movie so I'm adding the spoiler tag.

[Flea_Man]

Sorry for the edit Flea Man but there's a lot of folks waiting to see this movie so I'm adding the spoiler tag.

alright, no problem man

[weekapaugjz]

Sorry for the edit Flea Man but there's a lot of folks waiting to see this movie so I'm adding the spoiler tag.

tall james for mod of the year!

[HBox]

The short version of my review: It was OK. I enjoyed despite it being a deeply flawed film. It's probably my favorite of the series. I didn't like 2 and 1 didn't age well at all IMO. I'll put my more detailed thoughts under spoilers:

They completely wasted Venom. They completely wasted the black suit. And they pretty much wasted the Sandman.

First the black suit. They didn't explore it at all. It was basically used as a way to make Parker let the whole Spiderman thing go to his head. It didn't make him stronger, it just made him an asshole. It seems pretty obvious to me that the only reason the black suit was used was to make Parker get really egotistical without it being totally his own fault. Disappointing.

Now Sandman. He could have carried his own film. This film should have been his own. They probably could have got by with him and Green Goblin 2 being a side plot. But there was so much going on that Sandman gets lost. And he's the villian who gets the most screen time. They barely touched on his back story, only just enough to make him sympathetic. Why is he still robbing banks? Why the hell does he want Spiderman dead at the end? And then why does he take a huge 180 just minutes later? He wasn't explored as much as he should have been. And its really diappointing because Thomas Haden Church was so good. It could have been great. But at least they can explore him again in the future since he didn't die.

But the most disappointing thing was Venom. He's on the movie for a bout a half hour. He wasn't explored at all. And then he's killed off. Which is horrible because what there was of him was so good. They nailed the look of Venom. It was absolutely the best comic to screen visual translation of any character ever. And Topher Grace was great. So great that you'll find yourself actually wishing that he was playing Spiderman in the face of Tobey Maguire's lazy performance. Which makes it so bad that they barely explored Brock or Venom. Brock was such a one dimensional narcisistic character. And Venom is just a plot device to create a final showdown. None of the dialogue between the symbiote and Brock. And they'll never be able to fix it because the symbiote and Brock are dead.

Now for what was actually in the film and not what should have been. The Spiderman franchise has always had really cheesy moment and this is no different. It has the corwd cheering on Spiderman, it has that over the top talk with Aunt May where peter decides he's gonne fix everything, etc. Sometimes it works. The Saturday Night Fever thing is great. The J. Jonah Jameson scenes are still the best scenes in the film as usual. But more often they are cringy. Like any scene involving a Spiderman and a crowd in awe/cheering him on. Or the awful dance scene, the worst thing in any of the films.

The effects ranged from great to awful. It was obvious that Sandman is just beyond current technology. Sometimes it passable but more often, like at the end, it's so bad as to take you out of the film. Venom was great, Spiderman was good. Green Goblin 2 was hit and miss.

As for the performances, Grace and Dunst look bored with the whole thing. Grace and Haden Church were great and so was James Franco, surprisingly. The Harry/Peter storyline was the best one in the film despite a bad, cringy scene at the end.

The most unbelievable thing are the way some of the characters act. At the beginning Brock is taking photos of Gwen Stacy hanging off a building. He's dating her but doesn't seem overly concerned. He doesn't seem concerned at all in fact. Perhaps that was done to illustrate how selfish he except he's doing this all in front of her father who he hasn't met and who doesn't seem all that concerned either. And then there's Sandman at the end. Venom offers him the chance to kill Spiderman. He goes along despite the movie trying to portray him as a good guy in an awful situation. And he almost succeeds. But then as soon as Venom dies he doesn't really care about killing Spiderman. In fact it seems he wants to make amends. It all comes down to the fact that they crammed so much into this movie that they couldn't give anything the attention it deserved.

And despite all that I enjoyed it. The action scenes were good. They could have made more of the Sandman Spiderman scenes but they could have made more of a lot. Thety made Bryce Dallas Howard look hot which is an accomplishment. Basically if you go in just looking for a good time and don't try to let these flaws bother you it's a decent way to spend 2 and a half hours. Just turn your brain off at the door.

[DIRTY_MEX]

the movie was alright. not enough action and fighting. and not enough black spider-man and Venon.

evil spider-man was the shit. that saved the movie

[PapaBear]

The Washington Post reviewer ripped it to shreds.

[TheMojoPin]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much shit crammed into one movie. It wasn't bad...there was just too much going on. This is definitely the Return of the Jedi to the last film's The Empire Strikes Back. Harry taken over his dad's mantle could have been its own movie, especially if they had gotten a little creative and tried to make him into the Hobgoblin to mix it up a bit.

Sandman was fantastic and definitely should have been the sole villain in one of these flicks. Church does a great job and I really like how they fleshed the character out. Trying to tie him in to Uncle Ben's murder is terrible, but I like how the character was made more complex (by comic book standards) as opposed to just typical "bad guy" or "good guy."

Topher Grace was fantastic...I hate, hate, HATE Venom and Eddie Brock in the comics, but I loved how they presented him in the film. Making him more of a dark doppelganger of Parker makes infinitely more sense than some random musclehead out of nowhere. It was a waste of a great character update to cram his turn as Venom into the end of the film.

"Emo-Peter" was mostly retarded. Dunst is awful on every possible level. J.K. Simmons is the fucking man.

All in all, it was OK. I probably won't get the DVD.

[patsopinion]

from what i have heard from uze guys im looking forward to the video game.
For spiderman 2 i just played through the game and basically got the entire movie experience with more character development and more action with less mary jane bs.
When i finnally got around to watching the movie the only thing i missed was the two of them blabbing on about dreck.

[Doogie]

Is it so wrong that I was the only person in the theatre dying laughing at the end of the film at what should have of been a sad moment?? The whole Hobgoblin/Harry dying scene was soo fucking ridiculous. All I saw was a guy in a bad buddy film goin "Im dying man..." It was practically a MST3K movie ending and it just burst be me into uncontrollable laughter. People around me must have of thought I was a crazy. I didnt give a fuck. The movie I would give a 2 out of 5 stars. They tried to cram wayyyyy to much in there. And the also thought the audience was mentally retarded with the whole "Ohhh this villian is gonna die scene!!!...but he isnt!!!" Stop!! It was soooo over the top with that shit.

I have to agree with Thomas Hayden Churchs portyal of Sandman, it was done very well but their was NO character development at all. I have never read one Spiderman comic in my life and read wikipedia about the main villians. From what I read I understood that the three villians in the film should have of been two at the max. And lets be honest, hobgoblin should have of been developed in two.

My final question to the loyal here is are there any complete graphic novels with Hobgoblin, Sandman and Venom in it?? I dont want to buy individual comics.

[HBox]

Why did Harry take one of those bombs one inch from his face and survive with a scar and yet both the symbiote and Brock are completely incinerated by one?

[Krodos]

I likedit. It wasn't awesomely fanboy excellent, but it was good. That movie could of been a half hour shorter.


I thought this was funny too (Take from Ctrl alt Del)



http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070505.jpg

[Tall_James]

I thought this was funny too (Take from Ctrl alt Del)



http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070505.jpg

That is really funny

[J.Clints]

I am headed to see it today

[flavopop]

After reading your reviews, I will wait until "my guy" has it on DVD sometime this week.

[RingWraith]

Saw it yesterday, and I must say it's definitely the best out of the three films IMO. I guess it's because they finally used cooler villians. I never liked the Green Goblin or Dr. Ock. I always thought those guys were lame.
The movie does has it's flaws, but what movie these days doesn't. But overall, I was entertained. Great movie!

[boobieman]

Saw Spidey 3 last night. So dissappointed. The begining of the movie was good..then it just went to shit. It was like they had a movie script then realize their was a deadline and just rushed the ending to get it in or somthing. They tried to do too much in one movie. Would of been better to have just Sandman and then at the end of the movie, venom is born and can go into another movie. Sandman was cool, venom was sort of useless, and I was so looking forward to how they were going to be using venom, and I say they shit the bed.

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Sandman floates away at the end...come on...what is this Wizard of OZ.
Eddie Brock sees peter tring to rip off the black suit..all the way up the bell tower
Then when he is venom...he does nothing really. Just goes to meet sandman and plots to kill spidy
Dancing peter parker...Check please
All the fight scenes were like watching a video game...too much CGI
The most of them all..butler closes up a major plot line and tells Harry that his father killed by his own hand...WHERE THE FUCK WHERE YOU IN THE LAST MOVIE YA HUMP!

Only cool thing..the way they killed venom..sort of like the comic..at least the same weaknesses.

Overall might be the worst of the 3. Will get it on DVD when it comes out, but not worth going to see again. The first spidy, I saw in the threather 3 times..far and away the best.

SEE YA!!!

[Wallower]

First I have to say Hbox's review is pretty dead on.

Now for my thoughts,
I came out of the movie feeling very cheated. They've been selling the movie to us for about a year now with leaked venom and black suit pics. Now the movie comes out and neither of these things are very well developed. There was no explanation of why the symbiote was attracted to Peter in the first place. It was presented as a coincidence in the movie that the thing crash landed a hundred yards away from Parker. Oh, and isn't he Spider Man? Don't you think he might have noticed a meteorite crashing next to him? And why didn't MJ tell Peter on the bridge that she was being threatened by Harry? Did she think Harry was that much more powerful than Spidey? There were a lot of moments like that throughout where characters looked like they were just following a script and not thinking clearly.

One more thing. Every Spidey scene involves Tobey McGuire's stupid double chins sticking up out of the suit. Where's the cool factor? And it doesn't improve in the fight scenes. Venom, Harry, and Spidey all seem unable to carry out a fight without constant mask removal. I just couldn't get into it.

[J.Clints]

I was very happy with the movie. I just got hope from seeing it in IMAX and it was great. I do belive though that there will be a 4. They left a lot open. And maybe Another Venom Think about it.

[IamPixie]

the movie was alright. not enough action and fighting. and not enough black spider-man and Venon.

evil spider-man was the shit. that saved the movie

I fucking loved evil spiderman. :wub:

[IamPixie]

I thought the movie was generally entertaining and suprisingly funny. All in all, I was pretty satified with the movie. I just really hated that obligatory shot of spiderman in front of the waving american flag.

[J.Clints]

I fucking loved evil spiderman. :wub:

cause he was black?:wink:

[IamPixie]

cause he was black?:wink:

wakka wakka. no because he was all aggressive and confident. Girls love Dicks.

[J.Clints]

wakka wakka. no because he was all aggressive and confident. Girls love Dicks.

black ones?

[IamPixie]

black ones?

I left myself wide open for that one.

[IamPixie]

[QUOTE=Flea_Man;1298257]Just got back. Good, not great.


Theres one part that really stuck out in my mind as uber super cheesy and gave me douche chills. [spoiler]When Spiderman is about to fight Venom/Sandman, the crowd all looks at him swinging in, and he lands on the building with the American flag, and starts running and they all cheer. It was so....... over the top, trying to be patriotic.


You make a great point,flea. I was thinking the same exact thing. When I saw that shot I threw up in my mouth a little.

[J.Clints]

I left myself wide open for that one.

Mouth wide open?

[cougarjake13]

ill be going in less than 2 hours

so far the overall consensus seems to be it was an average movie probably on par with val kilmers batman not as good as the keatons but not as horrendous as clooneys

[TheMojoPin]

I keep thinking about how let down I was by this flick, and I think it's because as much as everything was crammed there, Raimi showed that he could do each villain well, maiing it THAT much more frustrating that they all had to be shoved into one movie, making everything suffer. If the Marvel execs hadn't "suggested" Venom so much, Raimi could have made a great film that focused on Sandman, Harry, Brock and the black suit. That famous shot from the trailer of Venome diving at the screen face-first should have been the LAST thing we saw and the first glimpse of Venom in the film. That would have been such a great tease for the next film and left plenty of room for the other stuff.

At least Bruce Campbell rocked the house yet again. He's become the best thing in all 3 of these flicks. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnrWELq1XHc)

[J.Clints]

ill be going in less than 2 hours

so far the overall consensus seems to be it was an average movie probably on par with val kilmers batman not as good as the keatons but not as horrendous as clooneys

NO It was good. I bet you will like it.

[cougarjake13]

That famous shot from the trailer of Venome diving at the screen face-first should have been the LAST thing we saw and the first glimpse of Venom in the film. That would have been such a great tease for the next film and left plenty of room for the other stuff.

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i remember a lot of fans, some on this board, myself included, that were pissed when we heard the rumors that was all we were gonna see of venom in this movie

[TheMojoPin]

i remember a lot of fans, some on this board, myself included, that were pissed when we heard the rumors that was all we were gonna see of venom in this movie

It would have been much better in the long run. Then you'd get 2 awesome movies instead of one overly-rushed, complicated and mediocre one.

[cougarjake13]

It would have been much better in the long run. Then you'd get 2 awesome movies instead of one overly-rushed, complicated and mediocre one.

i totally agree

having 3 major villians in one movie seemed like overkill and unless this movie was grindhouse long it just wasnt going to be done right

they really should have had harry as a subplot in spidey 2

i mean you had only one villian in each of the first 2 movies why they need to cram 3 into this one ???

did they think that sandman alone wasnt enough to carry this film ???
for the hardcore fans it would have been okay, and the casual fans would have been wowed by the cgi sandman and a preview to venom at the end

[J.Clints]

i totally agree

having 3 major villians in one movie seemed like overkill and unless this movie was grindhouse long it just wasnt going to be done right

they really should have had harry as a subplot in spidey 2

i mean you had only one villian in each of the first 2 movies why they need to cram 3 into this one ???

did they think that sandman alone wasnt enough to carry this film ???
for the hardcore fans it would have been okay, and the casual fans would have been wowed by the cgi sandman and a preview to venom at the end

I would bet that Venom will be back. Just from what I saw.

[TheMojoPin]

i totally agree

having 3 major villians in one movie seemed like overkill and unless this movie was grindhouse long it just wasnt going to be done right

they really should have had harry as a subplot in spidey 2

i mean you had only one villian in each of the first 2 movies why they need to cram 3 into this one ???

did they think that sandman alone wasnt enough to carry this film ???
for the hardcore fans it would have been okay, and the casual fans would have been wowed by the cgi sandman and a preview to venom at the end

From everything I've read, Raimi really wanted to do this wtih just Harry and Sandman as the main villains and the Marvel "suits" essentially forced him to add the black suit and Venom..."if you want to do this film, you have to do this"-sort of thing. No doubt they wanted to capitalize on this potentially being the last movie with him driecting and all the leads, so they wanted the character that they thought would give them the biggest money-orgy.

Stupid Marvel.

[cougarjake13]

From everything I've read, Raimi really wanted to do this wtih just Harry and Sandman as the main villains and the Marvel "suits" essentially forced him to add the black suit and Venom..."if you want to do this film, you have to do this"-sort of thing. No doubt they wanted to capitalize on this potentially being the last movie with him driecting and all the leads, so they wanted the character that they thought would give them the biggest money-orgy.

Stupid Marvel.

fucking ass clowns

then if they were that demanding they shoulda left out sandman and just had venom and harry as the main guys

then you could spend more time devloping the evil spidey why the symbiote is attracted to him and the whole venom thing

[Flea_Man]

I think everyone agrees that it was too much in such a short amount of time. I still liked the movie, but I know there could have been so much more. Venom needed way more screen time. And less emo-Peter. The positive that comes out of this is the video game ought to be good.

of course, if they included this scene, I would have rated the movie 10 out of 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P40U07CM2VY)

Bruce Campbell did a hell of a job in all three btw.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I fucking loved evil spiderman. :wub:

He wasn't so much Evil Spiderman as much as he was Tag Body Spray Spiderman.

Really bad movie. I loved two, but this wasn't good. There was no need for there villians. It felt too rushed.

[Kevin]

Disapointed with the movie..

1.. Why would the butler take that long to tell Harry about the death of his father??
2 Too much MJ Peter
3 I have to go on record... Evil Spider man.. GAY!!!!! Toby looked like such a fag.
4 That 70's guy was an awful choice for venom.. He should had been buff.. The comic book said.. He was a gym rat, if i am not mistaken.. Plus he just did an awful job at it period.
5 The Sandman.. Well, the ECW sandman would have been better.. Just a awful movie all together

[TheMojoPin]

Disapointed with the movie..

4 That 70's guy was an awful choice for venom.. He should had been buff.. The comic book said.. He was a gym rat, if i am not mistaken.. Plus he just did an awful job at it period.

It always bugs me when this is brought up. Eddie Brock in the comics was one of the worst written characters in the history of the series. He was dropped out of nowhere and revealed as Venome when nobody had ever seen him before. He was freakishly huge due to Todd MacFarlane being an incredibly overrated artist. Griping that some musclebound lunkead isn't playing the character is ultimately meaningless...what you would rather have some awful wrestler playing him? Trying to make the character a flipside of Parker makes a lot more sense and, in my opinion, is a LOT more interesting. It makes the idea that Venom is PSidey's doppelganger a million times better. Otherwise he's just some random steroid freak who has his old costume.

[Kevin]

It always bugs me when this is brought up. Eddie Brock in the comics was one of the worst written characters in the history of the series. He was dropped out of nowhere and revealed as Venome when nobody had ever seen him before. He was freakishly huge due to Todd MacFarlane being an incredibly overrated artist. Griping that some musclebound lunkead isn't playing the character is ultimately meaningless...what you would rather have some awful wrestler playing him? Trying to make the character a flipside of Parker makes a lot more sense and, in my opinion, is a LOT more interesting. It makes the idea that Venom is PSidey's doppelganger a million times better. Otherwise he's just some random steroid freak who has his old costume.

I guess i just did not like that 70's guy playing him.. I am not saying be a brute.. But at least a guy with some muscle in him.. But, I guess you could say the same about Toby and Spiderman.. Like i said.. I'd rather Venom be played by a different actor

[HBox]

I disagree about Topher Grace. If you look at how he played Brock, take away the ego and assholishness, it seemed to me to be the perfect way to play Spiderman. They got away from the quips that Spiderman breaks out buring fights and Grace pulled some off perfectly in this film. Even when Maguire tried them it was awful. Grace played Brock with the kind of enthusiasm that Maguire should be playing Parker. And for the angle they took with Brock in this film it worked for him too.

[TheMojoPin]

I disagree about Topher Grace. If you look at how he played Brock, take away the ego and assholishness, it seemed to me to be the perfect way to play Spiderman. They got away from the quips that Spiderman breaks out buring fights and Grace pulled some off perfectly in this film. Even when Maguire tried them it was awful. Grace played Brock with the kind of enthusiasm that Maguire should be playing Parker. And for the angle they took with Brock in this film it worked for him too.

Grace would have been much better at being Spider-Man over Grace.

I remember when they first announced they were making these movies, I wanted that weirdo filmmaking kid from American Beauty to play Parker/Spidey. What the hell ever happened to him?

[Kevin]

Any numbers out yet?? I wonder what the box office is...

[Kevin]

Spider-Man caught just about everyone in his web. The superhero's latest adventure, "Spider-Man 3," smashed box-office records with $148 million in its first three days, according to studio estimates Sunday.

[Midkiff]

Saw it this morning. I liked it, but it could have been so much better.

[TheMojoPin]

Spider-Man caught just about everyone in his web. The superhero's latest adventure, "Spider-Man 3," smashed box-office records with $148 million in its first three days, according to studio estimates Sunday.

Suck on THAT, Aquaman.

[Kevin]

Suck on THAT, Aquaman.

Aquaman II would have killed that record, if Vince didn't fuck it up by getting fired..

[cougarjake13]

I fucking loved evil spiderman. :wub:

he didnt seem evil to me

more like emo spiderman



i liked the movie but there was just no continuity

why the hell does sandman want parker dead all of a sudden ???
way too much of mj and peter

[IamPixie]

ill be going in less than 2 hours

so far the overall consensus seems to be it was an average movie probably on par with val kilmers batman not as good as the keatons but not as horrendous as clooneys

I'd say that is a fair assesment.

[cougarjake13]

ill be going in less than 2 hours

so far the overall consensus seems to be it was an average movie probably on par with val kilmers batman not as good as the keatons but not as horrendous as clooneys

I'd say that is a fair assesment.



and after seeing it for myself i can totally agree that this was an avg movie that seemed rushed and overloaded with content

[drusilla]

The most of them all..butler closes up a major plot line and tells Harry that his father killed by his own hand...WHERE THE FUCK WHERE YOU IN THE LAST MOVIE YA HUMP!






that's what i was thinking. like um, i could have used this information three years ago. thanks.


i was really disappointed that venom was in the this movie. i was hoping it would be a set up for a 4th movie that was all venom. i was pretty disappointed in the ending, but maybe just maybe if they made a 4th they could show that like not all of the symbiote blew up or whatever if they really wanted to.

there was too much crying in the movie. even sandman was crying. emo peter was just redonkulous & was quite cringeworthy. mj is just annoying & her singing is even worse. at the end i just remember saying "oh no she's going to sing again!" too much crying. keep the love stories out of my action movies. k thnx bye.

[J.Clints]

that's what i was thinking. like um, i could have used this information three years ago. thanks.


i was really disappointed that venom was in the this movie. i was hoping it would be a set up for a 4th movie that was all venom. i was pretty disappointed in the ending, but maybe just maybe if they made a 4th they could show that like not all of the symbiote blew up or whatever if they really wanted to.

there was too much crying in the movie. even sandman was crying. emo peter was just redonkulous & was quite cringeworthy. mj is just annoying & her singing is even worse. at the end i just remember saying "oh no she's going to sing again!" too much crying. keep the love stories out of my action movies. k thnx bye.
Dont forget there is still some symbiote in the lab at school. I think there will be a four.

[drusilla]

At least Bruce Campbell rocked the house yet again. He's become the best thing in all 3 of these flicks. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnrWELq1XHc)



i love him & he is like my most favoritest person in the whole wide world, but he needs to get a new schtick. i heard him say that twice already once at a book signing & once at a screening for his movie "the man with the screaming brain" though he did say in the 3rd movie the only thing left for him to do is to become spider-man.

[drusilla]

Dont forget there is still some symbiote in the lab at school. I think there will be a four.

i was totally thinking about that

[Kevin]

that's what i was thinking. like um, i could have used this information three years ago. thanks.


i was really disappointed that venom was in the this movie. i was hoping it would be a set up for a 4th movie that was all venom. i was pretty disappointed in the ending, but maybe just maybe if they made a 4th they could show that like not all of the symbiote blew up or whatever if they really wanted to.

there was too much crying in the movie. even sandman was crying. emo peter was just redonkulous & was quite cringeworthy. mj is just annoying & her singing is even worse. at the end i just remember saying "oh no she's going to sing again!" too much crying. keep the love stories out of my action movies. k thnx bye.

And how does he know that Parker didnt use his own wepon to kill him?? They could have been in a fight, and Peter could have grabbed anything near him, to kill him.. The whole movie, was just poorly done..

[Midkiff]

MJ's singing sounded like those old 1920's records the soldiers would play while sitting in a bombed-out French cottage in WW1. It's like they purposely filtered her voice to sound like that, not realizing that sound was from the poor album quality, not the chick herself. Creepy.

[cougarjake13]

that's what i was thinking. like um, i could have used this information three years ago. thanks.


i was really disappointed that venom was in the this movie. i was hoping it would be a set up for a 4th movie that was all venom. i was pretty disappointed in the ending, but maybe just maybe if they made a 4th they could show that like not all of the symbiote blew up or whatever if they really wanted to.

there was too much crying in the movie. even sandman was crying. emo peter was just redonkulous & was quite cringeworthy. mj is just annoying & her singing is even worse. at the end i just remember saying "oh no she's going to sing again!" too much crying. keep the love stories out of my action movies. k thnx bye.

Dont forget there is still some symbiote in the lab at school. I think there will be a four.


clints you already beat me to my point
and they can always say it wasnt all blown away and some of it crawled away before the explosion

[HBox]

Dont forget there is still some symbiote in the lab at school. I think there will be a four.

Yeah, they can have that turn into Carnage and then he can be in the movie for 10 minutes, do nothing and then die.

[J.Clints]

clints you already beat me to my point
and they can always say it wasnt all blown away and some of it crawled away before the explosion

Yeah, they can have that turn into Carnage and then he can be in the movie for 10 minutes, do nothing and then die.

I guess I am alone in thinking it was good but I did. I still dont think there done with it all though.

[Wallower]

I was just thinking...
It's the first super hero movie in a while that hasn't involved a villain trying to take over the world or kill lots of people. If Spidey hadn't been there Opie's daughter would be dead (which happens later anyway) and a couple of banks would have had their insurance premiums raised. Brock also wouldn't have become Venom. Everything in this movie was propelled by the gravity of Spiderman himself rather than the malice of some evil character. You should be ashamed of yourself Peter Parker. Why should we all applaud you for cleaning up your own mess? To you sir, I say good day.

[hammersavage]

Just saw it and as a fan of the first two, I thought the movie was really terrible. I did think Topher Grace was a bright spot in an otherwise waste of time.

[Bill From Yorktown]

Just got home - Spiderman 3 rocks the fat ass

[cougarjake13]

Just got home - Spiderman 3 rocks the fat ass

then you must have been drunk or high

[RingWraith]

It always bugs me when this is brought up. Eddie Brock in the comics was one of the worst written characters in the history of the series. He was dropped out of nowhere and revealed as Venome when nobody had ever seen him before. He was freakishly huge due to Todd MacFarlane being an incredibly overrated artist. Griping that some musclebound lunkead isn't playing the character is ultimately meaningless...what you would rather have some awful wrestler playing him? Trying to make the character a flipside of Parker makes a lot more sense and, in my opinion, is a LOT more interesting. It makes the idea that Venom is PSidey's doppelganger a million times better. Otherwise he's just some random steroid freak who has his old costume.


Sorry Mojo, but I have to disagree with you. Venom/Eddie Brock being a musclebound freak is what I believe is supposed to be a total opposite of Spiderman. You want a doppleganger, Carnage is there.
And there is no way Venom is a poorly written character (Although I did hate when Marvel turned him babyface back in the mid-90's. LAME!)
IMO, Venom is one of the few villians in Spiderman's rogue gallery that I always find interesting. The others are just sooo campy and lame.

As far as Topher Grace being Eddie/Venom, I never liked that choice, but I think he did a decent job, and deserved to be on his own in a part 4.
Spiderman 3 (even though I'm seemingly one of the few here that liked it) would've been fine with just Sandman/Harry as the villians.

[TheMojoPin]

Sorry Mojo, but I have to disagree with you. Venom/Eddie Brock being a musclebound freak is what I believe is supposed to be a total opposite of Spiderman.

Yeah, and I think it makes him incredibly pointless. A giant block of muscles isn't going to be as fast or as agile as Spider-Man. He would just be strong, and Spidey's already got plenty of villains that fill that role. And a gym-freak photojournalist that looked like a 'roided-out wrestler just made no sense, even in comic book land.

You want a doppleganger, Carnage is there.

What? How does that make any sense? Carnage is barely a doppelganger of Venome, much less Spider-Man. Venome wears an old costume of Spidey's, has the same powers (right down to the webs), knows who Spider-Man really is and cancels out his spider-sense. He's basically a twisted version of Spider-Man...that's how he was sold when he first appeared. Carnage is nothing like Spider-Man in any way. He's not a doppelganger.

And there is no way Venom is a poorly written character (Although I did hate when Marvel turned him babyface back in the mid-90's. LAME!)

He was a horribly written character. His attitudes and motivations and mental state changed at the drop of a hat and rarely made any kind of sense and often basically cancelled each other out. And his presence led to Spider-Man constantly being written bizarrely out of character. Besides, the main threat of Venom was that he knew who Parker was and could threaten his family. But almost from the start, Venome says he won't hurt Peter's family because his vendetta is only with him. OK, there goes the one thing that made him unique in Spider-Man's rogue gallery tossed right out the window. Now why is he so special? Outside of the cool outfit, he's just random Marvel 90's psycho #6721. And it sucked that he showed up out of nowhere...we never saw this guy working around Parker at the Bugle before. It all had to be explained to us like a shitty Scooby-Doo cartoon when he's first unmasked. Weak sauce.

IMO, Venom is one of the few villians in Spiderman's rogue gallery that I always find interesting. The others are just sooo campy and lame.

The "campy and lame" ones have stood the test of time for 30-40 years now.

This site I found really does a good job summing up everything that made Venom not really work, well, ever. (http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpiderPart1.html)

[RingWraith]

Not everything in comic book land is gonna make sense. And almost EVERY hero or villian are on 'roids anyway. It's just the fact the characters have to be "larger than life" next to the average human. I do agree though that a "gym-freak photojournalist" doesn't make sense at all, but that is what Marvel presented. But I like always liked the fact that because is a 'roid up' version of Spiderman.

Okay, I had to look up doppelganger to really know what this term is. So I apologize for not looking it up first before replying. And your right, Carnage is not. I was just implying the look and size of Carnage. That's all.

You are right about inconsistencies of the writing about the character during the 90's. But I blame the writers for that.


As far as the "Campy and Lame" characters go, I was never a fan of the Green Goblin or Dr Ock. Although Dr. Ock did look cool in SM 2.

Bottom line is, I'm currently art student, and as an artist I'm more into the look and style of a character and because of that, Venom is just cool to me. You may right on all points about your take on Venom.
But my motivation on liking a character in comics is mostly based look, style, and who drew the comic. Great writing and storytelling are like bonuses for me.

[TheMojoPin]

Nobody's really gonna argue that Venom doesn't look cool...that's his main appeal. The problem ends up being that he's completely style over substance. I guess you and I just like comics for different reasons...I prefer to follow good writers. I usually like the "less is more" style of art, and Venom and his ilk don't really fit into that. I think MacFarlane is a massively overrated artist. There's zero motion in most of his comics, and that bugs the hell out of me. Plus, all the women he draws look like aliens and they all look alike...they'll either be really fat or really skinny. Venome is just the peitome of that era of comic art, and I wasn't really a fan.

There's a lot of potential to a character like Venom, and I feel he's been totally wasted and written poorly in the comics. I like how the movie tried to give more reasoning behind his existence. I like the Ultimate version of Venom better, too. He's got more of a legit reason to hate Parker, and I think that's key.

[RingWraith]

Nobody's really gonna argue that Venom doesn't look cool...that's his main appeal. The problem ends up being that he's completely style over substance. I guess you and I just like comics for different reasons...I prefer to follow good writers. I usually like the "less is more" style of art, and Venom and his ilk don't really fit into that. I think MacFarlane is a massively overrated artist. There's zero motion in most of his comics, and that bugs the hell out of me. Plus, all the women he draws look like aliens and they all look alike...they'll either be really fat or really skinny. Venome is just the peitome of that era of comic art, and I wasn't really a fan.

There's a lot of potential to a character like Venom, and I feel he's been totally wasted and written poorly in the comics. I like how the movie tried to give more reasoning behind his existence. I like the Ultimate version of Venom better, too. He's got more of a legit reason to hate Parker, and I think that's key.

I honestly never read Ultimate Spiderman books. I should start though. Any recommendations I'm all open.
As far as Todd McFarlane, while I do liked his style then, but you forgot to mention is constant drawing of huge eyebrows on almost EVERY character he drew. That always bugged me.
I usually don't get annoyed by most artists in comics, Todd's style didn't, but I always hated Rob Liefield style. Every character disporportion with him!!!

Back to the movie, did anyone noticed Eddie Brock was introduced to Jonah as he was never there before, and there was an Eddie reference by name in Spiderman 1? That annoyed me.

[TheMojoPin]

I honestly never read Ultimate Spiderman books. I should start though. Any recommendations I'm all open.
As far as Todd McFarlane, while I do liked his style then, but you forgot to mention is constant drawing of huge eyebrows on almost EVERY character he drew. That always bugged me.
I usually don't get annoyed by most artists in comics, Todd's style didn't, but I always hated Rob Liefield style. Every character disporportion with him!!!

Start from the beginning with Ultimate Spider-Man. There are some dull spots, but for the most part it's a great read that's really benefited from having the same writer and artist from the start up until this point.

Liefeld is a monster. What a complete and total hack...not only does his original artwork suck, he copies other people's art when he gets too lazy to finish his own scenes. He's the Carlos Mencia of comics.

Back to the movie, did anyone noticed Eddie Brock was introduced to Jonah as he was never there before, and there was an Eddie reference by name in Spiderman 1? That annoyed me.

Good point. I remember totally geeking out hearing his name in the 1st film.

[cougarjake13]

Good point. I remember totally geeking out hearing his name in the 1st film.



Back to the movie, did anyone noticed Eddie Brock was introduced to Jonah as he was never there before, and there was an Eddie reference by name in Spiderman 1? That annoyed me.


when di the mention occur ??? i dont remember it off hand

[RingWraith]

when di the mention occur ??? i dont remember it off hand

Well, it's been awhile since I've seen SM 1, but I think somewhere in the near the beginning to middle. I know it was said in Jonah Jameson office.

[cougarjake13]

Well, it's been awhile since I've seen SM 1, but I think somewhere in the near the beginning to middle. I know it was said in Jonah Jameson office.

ill have to rewatch

i probably remember, i just dont remember rememebering

[TheMojoPin]

ill have to rewatch

i probably remember, i just dont remember rememebering

He tosses it out there when Peter first shows up to sell his Spider-Man photos. Jonah calls in his secretary and is yelling about getting a photographer and first mentions something like "get Brock on it" and then changes his mind and gives the job to Peter.

[badorties]

dogshit of a movie ...

[DorothyCrosley]

Alot of people i know who saw it said they didnt like it and from reading on here it seems not to many people enjoyed so i guess i am in the miniority but i really liked it alot. I liked the first one more but i thought this way much better then the second one! Although i did think it was a little cheesy at the end of it the fight turned into a tag team match between Spiderman and Green Goblin vs. Venom and Sandman. My only question is was the tag titles on the line LOL

[Turd_Burgler]

By far, that was the worst Spider-man of them all. Not one actor in it has ever experienced a human emotion, or at least couldn't act like they ever had. It was all so phony and corny. It's as if they shot it in one day, and just went with what they had.

Anyone notice the ever changing scar on Goblin Jr's face?

What movie ends with the super hero and the villian crying together and apologizing?

I'm about to end 7yrs of sobriety over this.

If I ever want to see shit that stinks that bad again, I'll pay a homless fella to take a dump on my forehead.

[lleeder]

This sums up my feelings about this movie. When it was over my wife turned to me and asked, " Does Spiderman cry this much in the comic book?"

[J.Clints]

This sums up my feelings about this movie. When it was over my wife turned to me and asked, " Does Spiderman cry this much in the comic book?"

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol:
:glurps:

[angrymissy]

Just saw this last night on ondemand

HOLY SHIT

What the hell?

Seriously, the scene between MJ and Harry dancing in the kitchen to TWIST AND SHOUT? We had to fast forward it it was so douchey... and it looked like it went on for at least 5 minutes.

Fucking emo venom suit Peter??? WHAT THE HELL??? Walking down the street with his emo hair doing finger guns at the ladies? Buying a FANCY new suit and dancing in front of the store??? Seriously.

As mentioned before, that shit with the butler??? OH HAI, SORRY I DIDN'T TELL YOU EARLIER, SPIDERMAN DIDN'T KILL YOUR FATHER. LOL.

Venom's voice? I will admit the effects for Venom were bad ass, then he opens his mouth and you get a high pitched Topher Grace voice. They could have at least added some effects for it.

Also, Toby Maguire seemed to be a littly pudgy in this movie and it made for hilarious scenes while he was standing in his suit (when he asks harry for help)

[EliSnow]

Just saw this last night on ondemand

HOLY SHIT

What the hell?

Seriously, the scene between MJ and Harry dancing in the kitchen to TWIST AND SHOUT? We had to fast forward it it was so douchey... and it looked like it went on for at least 5 minutes.

Fucking emo venom suit Peter??? WHAT THE HELL??? Walking down the street with his emo hair doing finger guns at the ladies? Buying a FANCY new suit and dancing in front of the store??? Seriously.

As mentioned before, that shit with the butler??? OH HAI, SORRY I DIDN'T TELL YOU EARLIER, SPIDERMAN DIDN'T KILL YOUR FATHER. LOL.

Venom's voice? I will admit the effects for Venom were bad ass, then he opens his mouth and you get a high pitched Topher Grace voice. They could have at least added some effects for it.

Also, Toby Maguire seemed to be a littly pudgy in this movie and it made for hilarious scenes while he was standing in his suit (when he asks harry for help)

Yeah, Spider-man 3 is the Maximum Clonage of movies.

[MadMatt]

Yeah, Spider-man 3 is the Maximum Clonage of movies.

:lol::clap::lol:

[fezident]

I hate all the Spidey movies.
To be honest, I'm kinda shocked that anybody really liked them at all. They were very "day glow". Kinda felt like THE PHANTOM MENACE in some ways. Too cartoony.

BLADE I & II kicked all kinds o' ass. Love the tone of those two films. The 3rd film had too much humor. Ruined everything. See also: The Spiderman movies.

[Snoogans]

I own Spiderman 3 on Blu Ray disc and I have yet to open it in over a month. Anybody want it?

[IMSlacker]

I own Spiderman 3 on Blu Ray disc and I have yet to open it in over a month. Anybody want it?

I'll give you $5 for Spider-man 3 if you throw in a snowboard.

[Snoogans]

i wasnt even sayin that. I meant anyone actually want it, they can have it. I have ZERO desire to watch it