Pointless Premature Presidential Prediction Poll

[Yerdaddy]

Who's going to soil the Lincoln Bedroom in 2009?

I think it will be Hillary vs. McCain - McCain wins by a nose tumor.

Dem. primary -

Edwards is a weak candidate. Experience is low. Not a strong speaker. Sucked in the first debate. He couldn't even make a joke about the $400 haircut to make it go away. Anti-war stance will not win over enough liberals because the hardcore don't associate themselves with the Democratic party and if they didn't do it in '04 they never will.

Obama will lose the nomination because he's unelectable. Democrats will actually figure out that their candidates have been losing for the same reason the last two elections - the Republican attack machine works. Obama, as Fox and talk radio have already pointed out, is black, has a Muslim name, was agnostic before becomming Christian, and whatever bit of trivia that plays to the prejudices of Americans. Other than that he's very generic and gave a weak showing at the first debate. The short answer on Obama's unelectability is: he's Black.

Biden will shoot himself in the foot. Big fucking mouth. He's better in the Senate anyway.

Hillary will sort out her vote on the authorization for the use of force to show both liberals and conservatives that it wasn't a vote for the war, but for inspections and diplomacy with war as a last resort. She's strong on defense, which is important to mainstream democrats. She's the most experienced Dem candidate with the possible exception of Bill Richardson. She had a strong showing at the debate. By the time of the nomination she will be in full tough bitch mode which will have Dem voters thinking that she's the candidate who will stand up to Republican attacks, which means she's the most electable.

REPUBLICANS

Giuliani can't pass muster with the Christian right. This group has voted twice for Bush because he's presented himself as the guy who's finally going to get rid of the "genocide" of abortion and guaranteeing the "sanctity of marriage" and preventing gays from having the freedom to marry who they choose. On Iraq he is Bush's double. He talks in meaningless slogans: most often "Bush has put us on offense instead of defense, and, by the way Demcrats want us to lose the war on terror because they hate America." That won't fly. Enough Republicans will actually want someone who won't fuck up the rest of the world, in contrast to the last two elections, and Giuliani will not gain as much for the perception he is tought on terrorism because he was Mayor of NYC on 9-11. They've got a better choice in McCain. Guiliani will win points for being anti-liberal in lieu of being pro-conservative. He will run on not being Hillary and it will help him. But common sense will win in the end.

Romney is very low in the polls right now but has shit-loads of money. I don't think it's enough to dig him out of the hole, but it may get him to the #2 spot before he implodes. He's got organizational security issues: his campaign has already leaked planning documents that outlined his plans to run on an anti-liberal platform. He will have to effect organizational discipline in his team or they will frag him in the field. He will be one of the most socially conservative candidates, but he's seen the light late and won't convince enough of the Christian right that he will be an activist on abortion and gay marriage. Being Mormon will not help. Many of the major evangelical sects in America absolutely loath Mormons. They will patch up some differences in the campaign and in the long run a common ground will be formed between the money-loving Mormon church and the other faiths that have come to love the dollar as much as Jesus actually strengthening the Christian right, but not in time for this campaign. On Iraq he will have fluff and it won't fly.

McCain has the strongest defense credentials. On Iraq he's the only one with the most logical position - to support the surge wholehartedly. I think he will sell that position and the Republicans will embrace it and use it to attack Democrats, which is what they love more than anything. McCain's social conservative credentials are strong and the pandering to the Christian right will pay off with them. He's not campaigning well now, but if he doesn't blow it he's got the nomination.

THE CHAMPIONSHIP

The Dems still won't have a way to combat the conservative propaganda industry. The public will spend most of the time arguing about Whitewater, Monica, Hillarycare, and all the people they'll claim she's murdered and raped. McCain will hire the same people who smeared him in 2000. McCain will argue the need not to lose in Iraq while Hillary plays to the public's desire to get out. Bill Clinton campaigning for Hillary will help. They will be tough on attacks and Fox "News" and it will help show liberals how to fight it and maybe even embarass conservatives a little. But in the end: Fox "News" wins again!


Yeah I know my biases show in this piece. But the fact is: there's a reason Bush won twice with no resume to be the most powerful man in the universe. The reason he won - the poweful propaganda industry that conservatives have and liberals don't - is going to be a political force as long as it proves successful. I know people like McCain are uncomfortable with that fact. But, in the end, all politicians know their #1 job is to actually get into office and the end will justify the means. He'd be stupid not to use Bush's methods to win.

[Yerdaddy]

Remember: This Is Not Who You want to Win. It's Who You Think will win.

[burrben]

kucinich '08

[Dan 'Hampton]

Who really cares at this point? Nothing will change. We're still in Iraq and we're about to pay $3 a gallon again. I thought this was supposed to end when the Dems "came to save us". What an F'ing joke.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

kucinich '08

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[Bob Impact]

http://www.caddylakgraffix.com/images/Categories/BANNERS/banner_CaptionContest.jpg

I did the work to go find it. That's exactly what I was thinking.

http://www.stuckiniowa.com/img/uploads/roflcopter7.gif

[sailor]

Remember: This Is Not Who You want to Win. It's Who You Think will win.

i'd pick mccain for either of those. it's like the ncaa tourney, i always think kansas will win because i want them to, so i know my predictions aren't impartial.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think its going to be Mc Cain. Generally speaking hes a well liked guy and he can get alot of independent voters. Clinton is not going to win because alot of people wont vote for her because shes a woman, as far as Obama hes black with a muslim name. alot of people wont vote for him for that reason

[Fat_Sunny]

First, Fat Will Answer This In The Bitchy Way Yerdaddy Did Two Days Ago When Another Person Started A Thread: "There Are Already 10 Threads On The Election. Why Did You Start This Thread? Why Didn't You Link It To A New Article? Blah Blah Blah Blah....." Not Very Nice, Huh!

What Fat Would Say Is: "Good Topic! Elections Are Fun And The More Threads The Better!"

Fat Thinks That At This Point McCain Is The Only Person In Either Party Who Can Win Both (a) His Party's Primary, And (b) The General Election. Those Are Two Entirely Different Obstacle Courses.

The McCain Caveat Is His Age/Health. If He Gets Another Melanoma On His Head Or A Serious Bout With The Flu Or Faints On Stage Or Looks Too Tired Or Forgetful, People Will Start Raising Their Eyebrows. He Must Keep Perfect Health And Full Energy For The Next 18 Months!

[A.J.]

You couldn't wait until December for 2008 predictions?

http://www.rikomatic.com/photos/uncategorized/johnmclaughlin.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

Who really cares at this point? Nothing will change. We're still in Iraq and we're about to pay $3 a gallon again. I thought this was supposed to end when the Dems "came to save us". What an F'ing joke.

I just paid $3.11/gallon in Queens.

but again, my prediction is that Obama and Hilary Cancel eachother out, and Edwards rises up and wins the Democrats.

I really cant tell with the republicans; although I guess its between Giuiliani and McCain, in which case McCain will win.

Thats the best race I can foresee. And of course, Id be pulling for McCain all the way.

[epo]

I think I paid $3.29/gallon this morning here in Milwaukee.

My best guess at this point is the general will be Clinton vs. McCain. McCain loses as he is essentially running for that third Bush term.

[burrben]

i think it's "mitt" romney

[patsopinion]

i'd pick mccain for either of those. it's like the ncaa tourney, i always think kansas will win because i want them to, so i know my predictions aren't impartial.

and mutch like the ncaa tourney you dont have a say who will win(our votes are meaningless)

[sailor]

and mutch like the ncaa tourney you dont have a say who will win(our votes are meaningless)

too cynical for me.

[patsopinion]

too cynical for me.

i was doing an irony thing there

[sailor]

i was doing an irony thing there

gotcha. a lot of folks say that seriously, tho'.

[Yerdaddy]

First, Fat Will Answer This In The Bitchy Way Yerdaddy Did Two Days Ago When Another Person Started A Thread: "There Are Already 10 Threads On The Election. Why Did You Start This Thread? Why Didn't You Link It To A New Article? Blah Blah Blah Blah....." Not Very Nice, Huh!

No, actually that's my favorite post of yours ever. I quite enjoyed it thank you.

BTW I just read you can't say "bitchy" anymore. You have to say "...in the itchy way Yerdaddy did..."

[Yerdaddy]

i think it's "mitt" romney

Shit. Now I need a new nickname for him. OOH! How about "Catcher's Mitt" Romney? I like it! Now if I could only edit a post...

[Yerdaddy]

Ha! Mojo thinks "Big Jim Slade" Obama is going to win! I guess he'll finally prove he's not a Muslim on election night when he eats one of those flying pigs! Ha! Ha!

Oh. Didn't I mention? I found the new setting where we can all see who voted for what. Let the mocking begin!

http://homepage.mac.com/mjsmitho/OneOffs/NelsonHaHa.jpg

[sailor]

Shit. Now I need a new nickname for him. OOH! How about "Catcher's Mitt" Romney? I like it! Now if I could only edit a post...

i'm surprised you didn't go for something like "law & order" for thompson.

[Yerdaddy]

i'm surprised you didn't go for something like "law & order" for thompson.

Never seen it. That's like a show or something? Only TV shows I've seen in the last few years have been from Saudi Arabia's satellite channels. They must not like law and order. They love Seinfeld though.

[sailor]

Never seen it. That's like a show or something? Only TV shows I've seen in the last few years have been from Saudi Arabia's satellite channels. They must not like law and order. They love Seinfeld though.

yeah, he played a d.a. for like 5-6 years. i guess shows like that wouldn't play as well with a different legal system.

[Fat_Sunny]

yeah, he played a d.a. for like 5-6 years. i guess shows like that wouldn't play as well with a different legal system.

Yet They Seem To Enjoy A Jewish Comic From New York. Figure That Out. Oy-Vey.

[Yerdaddy]

What's wrong with "Tommy Gun"? That's an awesome nickname! Say it! Fred "Tommy Gun" Thompson. He'd like it. I know that much. Probly see it on bumper stickers before the end of the year. And it will get him an NRA endorsement, which is huge.

I need to manage someone's campaign. Yer going down Rove!

[patsopinion]

great thread title btw

[sailor]

What's wrong with "Tommy Gun"? That's an awesome nickname! Say it! Fred "Tommy Gun" Thompson. He'd like it. I know that much. Probly see it on bumper stickers before the end of the year. And it will get him an NRA endorsement, which is huge.

I need to manage someone's campaign. Yer going down Rove!

not saying there's anything wrong with it, i was just surprised you didn't go in that other direction. it does make him sound like an hiv-positive boxer, tho.
http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/images/tommy-morrison.jpg

[Fat_Sunny]

What's wrong with "Tommy Gun"? That's an awesome nickname! Say it! Fred "Tommy Gun" Thompson.


No Can Do. There Is Already A Tommy Thompson In The Race (Former Wisconsin Gov And HEW Sec'y). Can't Have A Tommy Thompson And A Tommy Gun Thompson...Just Too Confusing.

Unless The Wisconsin Tommy Became Tommy Gun, But That Just Doesn't Fit Him.

[TheMojoPin]

Ha! Mojo thinks "Big Jim Slade" Obama is going to win! I guess he'll finally prove he's not a Muslim on election night when he eats one of those flying pigs! Ha! Ha!

Oh. Didn't I mention? I found the new setting where we can all see who voted for what. Let the mocking begin!

http://homepage.mac.com/mjsmitho/OneOffs/NelsonHaHa.jpg

Mocking, shmocking. I'm always open to be swayed, but right now I want to root for a hometown hero.

[Bulldogcakes]

I voted for Newt (who I'd LOVE to see) though I broke your rule in that I don't actually think he'll win the nomination. I think ALL of the current field of Republicans (Guiliani/Romney/McCain) are flawed, and wont win. Either a Gingrich or a Fred Thompson will lie back, wait for the base to get disgusted by the current field, and then ride in as the last minute savior. My guess is it will be Thompson, Gingrich is too smart and too abrasive.
I also dont think Gore will enter the race. He would be looking to do the same thing on the Dem side, but so far BOTH Obama AND Hillary are beating ALL the Republican candidates (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18505030/site/newsweek/). But most feel thats a referendum on Bush's unpopularity, and will change when it becomes about the two candidates who are selected.

[Yerdaddy]

Mocking, shmocking. I'm always open to be swayed, but right now I want to root for a hometown hero.

Mecca?


Here's some new and interesting information: Thompson's Politics Much Like McCain's - But Unlike the Senator, Actor Is GOP's Darling (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050500284_pf.html)

Add that to the always good celebrity status and Tommy Gun could be this election's dark horse after all.

And this is going to be McCain's achille's heel - the public:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2007/02/27/GR2007022700164.gif (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022600313.html)

[Yerdaddy]

In a Newsweek poll this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18491981/site/newsweek/) week Giuliani still leads McCain by 15% among Republican voters, but that lead is down from 25% two months ago.

Bush's approval ratings hit an all-time low of 28%.

Lowest Approval Ratings for Past Presidents

President
% Approve

Clinton
36% 5/26-27/93 Newsweek

G.H.W. Bush
29% 7/31-8/2/92 Gallup

Reagan
35% 1/28-31/83 Gallup

Carter
28% 6/29-7/2/79 Gallup

Ford
37% 1/10-13/75 & 3/28-31/75 Gallup

Nixon
23% 1/4-7/74 Gallup

Johnson
35% 8/7-12/68 Gallup

Kennedy
56% 9/12-17/63 Gallup

Eisenhower
48% 3/27-4/1/58 Gallup

Truman
22% 2/9-14/52 Gallup

Roosevelt
48% 8/18-24/39 Gallup

[TheMojoPin]

Hot crackers! People hated Truman!

[Bulldogcakes]

Mecca?


Here's some new and interesting information: Thompson's Politics Much Like McCain's - But Unlike the Senator, Actor Is GOP's Darling (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050500284_pf.html)

Add that to the always good celebrity status and Tommy Gun could be this election's dark horse after all.

And this is going to be McCain's achille's heel - the public:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2007/02/27/GR2007022700164.gif (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022600313.html)

Actually, there's nothing new or even interesting about it, but try explaining that to most Republican primary voters. McCain made his name standing against Bush on some high profile issues (Campaign finance/Use of Torture) and is seen as a disloyal, backstabber by most of the party base despite his voting record. So he's a Liberal in Republican clothing, according to them. Talk show hosts like Rush and Hannity have done alot to promote this image of him as well.

McCain also hurt himself alot when he stopped being the "Independent maverick" and started kissing Falwell's ass. I would have loved to see him do a Teddy Roosevelt and try to build a new party, or build a new coalition from within the Republican party and attracting independents. But I'm sure he found that too risky, and now he's trying to be something he's not.

Also, his support of the war will really hurt him. Just as he entered the race, his position started becoming more well known to most people just as the general public was moving away from that very same position. Awful timing. The only way that doesn't hurt him is if we pull out completely sometime this year, which is doubtful.

[Yerdaddy]

Actually, there's nothing new or even interesting about it, but try explaining that to most Republican primary voters. McCain made his name standing against Bush on some high profile issues (Campaign finance/Use of Torture) and is seen as a disloyal, backstabber by most of the party base despite his voting record. So he's a Liberal in Republican clothing, according to them. Talk show hosts like Rush and Hannity have done alot to promote this image of him as well.

McCain also hurt himself alot when he stopped being the "Independent maverick" and started kissing Falwell's ass. I would have loved to see him do a Teddy Roosevelt and try to build a new party, or build a new coalition from within the Republican party and attracting independents. But I'm sure he found that too risky, and now he's trying to be something he's not.

Also, his support of the war will really hurt him. Just as he entered the race, his position started becoming more well known to most people just as the general public was moving away from that very same position. Awful timing. The only way that doesn't hurt him is if we pull out completely sometime this year, which is doubtful.

I think the question is whether McCain can re-sell the war to Republicans. I think he can.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

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[Fez4PrezN2008]

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[patsopinion]

Hot crackers. People hated Truman?

fixed it for ya

Im glad to see regan is so low but to me that indicates that this is not just republican voters.

Kennedy that lucky bastard
people that die get all the credit
maybe bush should look into that as a course of action

[keithy_19]

I want Fred Thompson to win, but I'm not so sure he's going to be able to win the republican nom.

[A.J.]

Hot crackers! People hated Truman!

Don't blame my grandfather -- he voted for Dewey!

http://www.electriceggplant.com/davidmccullough/images/photos/dewey_defeats_truman.jpg

[ChimneyFish]

I'm going with The Emperor Ming The Merciless.




















With McCain a close second.

[sailor]

I'm going with The Emperor Ming The Merciless.



With McCain a close second.

mccain is savior of the universe!

[K.C.]

McCain and Rudy can't win because they're tied too closely to Bush.

The Republicans still have a huge problem with that, and I don't know how they're going to be able to overcome it.

On the flip side, I think there's a bit of an Obama backlash in the next few months just from people thinking he's not electable.

Which leaves us with Hillary and Edwards on the Democratic side...it's tough to bet against the money Hillary has, but at the same time, she's so polarizing a figure I could see a backlash against her too allowing Edwards to sneak in.

All of it is irrelevant if Gore runs, though...he's the one guy that's out there that can declare and immediately waltz his way into the White House.

Don't be fooled by the polls that show him running behind the front runners. People aren't paying attention to him because they don't think he'll run. But If/When he declares, he'll jump up overnight to the #1 spot in the primary polls, and I can't see him losing it because he'll raise a TON of money.

If he stays out, then I'll stick with Edwards to squeak it out and then win the Presidency. But I think Gore's coming, and he's going to destroy everyone who thought they had a shot to win the nomination over night.

And when it gets to the general election, you'll have any Republican candidate, save Fred Thompson, struggling to distance themselves from Bush whereas Gore will be exalted as the 'anti-Bush' from the beginning because he's the only guy who's been consistantly against almost everything Bush has done in the last 7 years, and he doesn't having a voting record people can point out to muck it up.

[Yerdaddy]

McCain and Rudy can't win because they're tied too closely to Bush.

The Republicans still have a huge problem with that, and I don't know how they're going to be able to overcome it.

On the flip side, I think there's a bit of an Obama backlash in the next few months just from people thinking he's not electable.

Which leaves us with Hillary and Edwards on the Democratic side...it's tough to bet against the money Hillary has, but at the same time, she's so polarizing a figure I could see a backlash against her too allowing Edwards to sneak in.

All of it is irrelevant if Gore runs, though...he's the one guy that's out there that can declare and immediately waltz his way into the White House.

Don't be fooled by the polls that show him running behind the front runners. People aren't paying attention to him because they don't think he'll run. But If/When he declares, he'll jump up overnight to the #1 spot in the primary polls, and I can't see him losing it because he'll raise a TON of money.

If he stays out, then I'll stick with Edwards to squeak it out and then win the Presidency. But I think Gore's coming, and he's going to destroy everyone who thought they had a shot to win the nomination over night.

And when it gets to the general election, you'll have any Republican candidate, save Fred Thompson, struggling to distance themselves from Bush whereas Gore will be exalted as the 'anti-Bush' from the beginning because he's the only guy who's been consistantly against almost everything Bush has done in the last 7 years, and he doesn't having a voting record people can point out to muck it up.

You're from Delaware but no mention of Biden. Sup wit dat?

[Yerdaddy]

Giuliani to Support Abortion Rights (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/us/politics/10giuliani.html?hp=&pagewanted=print)

I think he's dead in the water.

[A.J.]

Giuliani to Support Abortion Rights (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/us/politics/10giuliani.html?hp=&pagewanted=print)

I think he's dead in the water.

Better than dead in the fetus.

EDIT: Dammit -- that should have been "uterus" instead of "fetus". I'm such an anus!

[Yerdaddy]

Better than dead in the fetus.

"Giuliani Coathangers Campaign"

[Midkiff]

I know you New Yorkers love you some Rudy, but that fucker doesn't stand a chance outside the boroughs. I think you NYCers are in your own little world there, so thought I'd give you a heads up.

[Yerdaddy]

Giuliani now tainted by scandal(s). (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/12/AR2007051201270.html)

There are a lot of allegations in this investigation. His little company looks really sleazy, and in his statements, like that the company doesn't lobby government for his clients, he looks like a liar. I think this will hurt him.

Then Murdoch's New York Post broke this story (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04022007/news/regionalnews/judis_job_with__pup_killer_firm_regionalnews_dan_m angan.htm)about his wife doing demonstrations of surgical stapling procedures on live dogs to sell their products and the dogs were killed either during or after the procedures. If you're running for president you don't want your wife giving the public the creeps. (Cue the obligatory photos of Hillary Clinton and Nancy Reagan, but I also want to see some oil paintings of Martha Washington with wooden teeth just to show the world that we're irreverent but still sophisticated.)

[Bulldogcakes]

Giuliani now tainted by scandal(s). (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/12/AR2007051201270.html)

There are a lot of allegations in this investigation. His little company looks really sleazy, and in his statements, like that the company doesn't lobby government for his clients, he looks like a liar. I think this will hurt him.



Sorry, but I didn't find a word of that article about his consulting firm troubling in any way, and I think people in DC would be even more comfy with it than we are in NYC. EVERYBODY in DC does stuff like that the minute they leave office, and Guiliani was simply preparing to leave office. He officially left January 2002. IN setting up Guiliani partners he was using his contacts and expertise in dealing with the NYC bureaucracy which can be very valuable to developers and others seeking to do business with the city.

As far as the dog stuff goes, I'm not voting for his wife and don't care. Personally I doubt its as bad as its made out to be and I think attacking people's family is a cheap shot (not you, the author of the article) unless that spouse wants to take an active role in the administration like Hillary. Then she's fair game.

[Yerdaddy]

Sorry, but I didn't find a word of that article about his consulting firm troubling in any way, and I think people in DC would be even more comfy with it than we are in NYC. EVERYBODY in DC does stuff like that the minute they leave office, and Guiliani was simply preparing to leave office. He officially left January 2002. IN setting up Guiliani partners he was using his contacts and expertise in dealing with the NYC bureaucracy which can be very valuable to developers and others seeking to do business with the city.

As far as the dog stuff goes, I'm not voting for his wife and don't care. Personally I doubt its as bad as its made out to be and I think attacking people's family is a cheap shot (not you, the author of the article) unless that spouse wants to take an active role in the administration like Hillary. Then she's fair game.

I read the Jersey Attorney General report on the one Giuliani partner, Kerik (http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/giuliani_interstatecomplaint2005.pdf), and I think he's a crook in bed with the mob. Another partner was accused of covering for pedophile priests and that will be investigated further following this report. While saying they don't do lobbying they were clearly lobbying for Purdue Pharma who was in the process of lying about the addictive nature and potential abuse of their drugs leading to "a wave of deaths" being investigated at the time. The "Matrix" project may have been fine but sold off because of the links to a drug smuggler - not specifically Giuliani's fault - and the Mexican security consulting contract looks like it was just a well-financed junket or a bad plan by Giuliani's company. Either way, add all this up and maybe Giuliani just started a company to use his stature to clients in the "grey zone" between ethical and legal boundaries and as an ex-mayor that's fine in and of itself. But it aint exactly presidential and it sure as shit isn't the way I and alot of other Americans are going to want the country run. I think it will hurt him in the very least in terms of trustworthiness, an important criteria for Americans as shown in polls. If the scandals grow they will knock him out of the race. Americans are tired, for now, of scandal-ridden Republican candidates. They've got to be clean for at least one election cycle.

[Yerdaddy]

Sorry, but I didn't find a word of that article about his consulting firm troubling in any way, and I think people in DC would be even more comfy with it than we are in NYC. EVERYBODY in DC does stuff like that the minute they leave office, and Guiliani was simply preparing to leave office. He officially left January 2002. IN setting up Guiliani partners he was using his contacts and expertise in dealing with the NYC bureaucracy which can be very valuable to developers and others seeking to do business with the city.

As far as the dog stuff goes, I'm not voting for his wife and don't care. Personally I doubt its as bad as its made out to be and I think attacking people's family is a cheap shot (not you, the author of the article) unless that spouse wants to take an active role in the administration like Hillary. Then she's fair game.

What are you, his consigliere?!

Nothing new to add, I just wanted to use that line. It's a good fucking line, isn't it?

What are you, his consigliere?!

[A.J.]

What are you, his consigliere?!

Nothing new to add, I just wanted to use that line. It's a good fucking line, isn't it?

What are you, his consigliere?!

"You're not a wartime consigliere, Bulldogcakes. Things could get a little...rough."

[K.C.]

You're from Delaware but no mention of Biden. Sup wit dat?

The only shot Biden has is if the American people were to be convinced (not that I'm saying it's necessarily true) that leaving Iraq is just as bad a solution as the current Bush plan and that a solution to appease the situation before leaving is the only way it will work to American interests.

If that happens, then Biden has an in with his 'three countries' plan where he's basically advocating independent Kurdish, Sunni, and Shi'ite states.

In reality, it's VERY debatable whether that:
a) would ever work (the logistics of dividing Iraqi resources alone could torpedo it)
b) could ever happen without much more intensified bloodshed

but the American people don't go too far in-depth in thinking about these policies and I think he could sell it and get elected that way if they were interested.


But it's a longshot that they'll get interested...most on the Democratic side favor full withdraw at this point.

[Bulldogcakes]

"You're not a wartime consigliere, Bulldogcakes. Things could get a little...rough."


Woahhhhh . . . hold on here. You forgot the part before that "You're not a Sicilian, Tom."

I am Sicilian, and I am SUCH a wartime consiglieri. You have no idea.

I give you this, Yerdaddy, and AJ

http://www.godfatherfilms.com/films_images/mike-fredo-kiss.jpg

Buona sera.

[epo]

The only shot Biden has is if the American people were to be convinced (not that I'm saying it's necessarily true) that leaving Iraq is just as bad a solution as the current Bush plan and that a solution to appease the situation before leaving is the only way it will work to American interests.

If that happens, then Biden has an in with his 'three countries' plan where he's basically advocating independent Kurdish, Sunni, and Shi'ite states.

In reality, it's VERY debatable whether that:
a) would ever work (the logistics of dividing Iraqi resources alone could torpedo it)
b) could ever happen without much more intensified bloodshed

but the American people don't go too far in-depth in thinking about these policies and I think he could sell it and get elected that way if they were interested.

But it's a longshot that they'll get interested...most on the Democratic side favor full withdraw at this point.

I've always thought of Joe Biden as a Secretary of State kind of guy...not my President.

[A.J.]

Buona sera.

"What do you want from me?"

http://pov.imv.au.dk/Issue_18/section_1/ill_07.jpg

[K.C.]

I've always thought of Joe Biden as a Secretary of State kind of guy...not my President.

Very true...he's much more suited for that role.

My personal feelings aside (I'm not a big fan of the guy), he'd make a decent president as he's a pretty middle of the road democrat, but I just don't really think he's the best choice at this point.

Of all the darkhorse candidates, though, (which is everyone outside of Hillary/Obama/Edwards), he probably has the best chance of that group...although that's not saying much.

[Yerdaddy]

Brownback Questions Abortion for Rape Victims in Speech to Catholic Men's Conference (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/10/AR2007061000038_pf.html)

TAYLORS, S.C. (AP) -- Sen. Sam Brownback, campaigning for president Saturday before the National Catholic Men's Conference, questioned whether rape victims should get abortions.

"Rape is terrible. Rape is awful. Is it made any better by killing an innocent child? Does it solve the problem for the woman that's been raped?" the Kansas Republican asked at the St. Joseph's Covenant Keepers gathering.

"We need to protect innocent life. Period," Brownback said, bringing the crowd of about 500 to its feet.

Brownback also talked about keeping marriage between a man and a woman, saying nations that have allowed same-sex marriages were engaging in bad social experiments, with bad results.


Ugh! Kansas freaks me out. Is there anything in the Constitution about revoking statehood for a former territory?

[Bulldogcakes]

Brownback Questions Abortion for Rape Victims in Speech to Catholic Men's Conference (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/10/AR2007061000038_pf.html)



Ugh! Kansas freaks me out. Is there anything in the Constitution about revoking statehood for a former territory?

http://www.baptistwatch.org/pics/protest.jpg

WE LOVE KANSAS! IT'S OUR HOME STATE!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Brownback Questions Abortion for Rape Victims in Speech to Catholic Men's Conference (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/10/AR2007061000038_pf.html)



Ugh! Kansas freaks me out. Is there anything in the Constitution about revoking statehood for a former territory?

So were all the people leaping to their feet and cheering volunteering to adopt all of the rape-babies? That's sure nice of them.

[A.J.]

So were all the people leaping to their feet and cheering volunteering to adopt all of the rape-babies? That's sure nice of them.

I'm sure they were just as happy to pay higher taxes to support all that wonderful, precious life too.

[A.J.]

Ugh! Kansas freaks me out. Is there anything in the Constitution about revoking statehood for a former territory?

A territory ironically known as "Bleeding Kansas".

"PLUG IT UP!!!"

[Recyclerz]

I'm not sure how credible this news source is but, if true, Ron Paul is getting enough campaign donation $ to make life uncomfortable for the frontrunners for the GOP nomination for awhile longer, which ought to make future campaign coverage more enjoyable.

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=43192

[pennington]

http://www.baptistwatch.org/pics/protest.jpg


I can't read all the scriptures these geniuses are citing but I looked up Romans 9:13 : "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." How do you get from there to "GOD HATES FAGS"?

And what about "FAG = ANAL SEX = (skull & crossbones)"? So if a guy has anal sex with his wife, does that make him a fag?

[Fat_Sunny]

I can't read all the scriptures these geniuses are citing but I looked up Romans 9:13 : "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." How do you get from there to "GOD HATES FAGS"?

And what about "FAG = ANAL SEX = (skull & crossbones)"? So if a guy has anal sex with his wife, does that make him a fag?

Don't Even Try To Understand Them Or Refute Their Arguments. None Of Their Stuff Is Subject To The Laws Of Rationality.

[Yerdaddy]

http://www.baptistwatch.org/pics/protest.jpg


By the looks of this father/son tag team I'd bet a fist full of ones and a sack of crystal meth that the daughter in that family doesn't get much sleep at night.

[cupcakelove]

I can't read all the scriptures these geniuses are citing but I looked up Romans 9:13 : "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." How do you get from there to "GOD HATES FAGS"?

And what about "FAG = ANAL SEX = (skull & crossbones)"? So if a guy has anal sex with his wife, does that make him a fag?

Pretty much anything anyone that is not part of their group does, makes them evil and hell bound. They are nuts, don't try to figure out their thought process, it could make your head explode.

[Yerdaddy]

Pretty much anything anyone that is not part of their group does, makes them evil and hell bound. They are nuts, don't try to figure out their thought process, it could make your head explode.

And yes, an exploding head makes you a fag.

[A.J.]

And yes, an exploding head makes you a fag.

Peter North is gay?

[cupcakelove]

Mitt Romney is now the new front runner in New Hampshire.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/12/schneider.nh.gop/index.html

In early April, there were two front-runners in the New Hampshire Republican primary: Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani were tied for first place.

Now, after last week's CNN-WMUR-New Hampshire Union Leader debate in Manchester, New Hampshire, things have changed. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has picked up support, from 17 percent in April to 28 percent now. He's the new front-runner, by a narrow margin, while Giuliani and John McCain both lost support. They're still tied -- but for second, at 20 percent each.

[Yerdaddy]

Mitt Romney is now the new front runner in New Hampshire.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/12/schneider.nh.gop/index.html

Must have been this quote on traditional marriage: "If elected I will guarantee that marriage will only be between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman..."

[BeltOfScotch]

Hillary vs. Romney, we all lose

[S0S]

They all suck on the minor issues so I will probably have to choose the one with the best major issue politics.

[Yerdaddy]

The time is nigh!

Repent!

I'm sorry I mocked you Mojo.

I should have mocked Bulldogcakes!

http://homepage.mac.com/mjsmitho/OneOffs/NelsonHaHa.jpg

Ha! Ha!

Anybody else want to 'splain their predictions? (Click on one of the numbers in the votes column to see what you - and everybody else - predicted.)

McCain sure gave me a scare there. About six weeks ago I had all but written him off.

Giuliani's implosion really surprised me.

And both of these events restored much of my faith in Republicans as voters.

I wrote off Obama early for superficial reasons. I guess his remaining contender status restores a bit of faith in the Democrats' principles, if not their sense. I still question whether he's electable. It would depend on whether he played Mr. Nice Guy while he's getting brutalized by the right in the general election. I still fear he's pretty much a black John Edwards, who I would expect to be a white John Kerry or Al Gore, but without the experiene, and would lose the general election for the same reason they did - for being a pussy.

Back then I really thought Hillary would have run away with it by now. The press didn't help by predicting exactly that up until the first vote. In the end I still think my predictions of Hillary v. McCain will be right, but I'm not so sure that McCain would beat her. He'd have to play really dirty and she'd have to play really clean and I don't think either of them have that in them. I think they're both experienced enough to know that the way the last two elections have been fought by both parties has been bad for the country. But we'll see.

Repent!

[scottinnj]

Well, I voted late, and for McCain. Remember, its who we think will win, not who we hope will win. I like McCain, but I hope Obama makes it. Now that we are on the eve of Super Tuesday, the polls are showing that Hillary will grab most of the delegates come Tuesday night. And if she rolls out of Super Tuesday with enough momentum to get the Democratic Nomination, and McCain does the same for the Republicans, even though Rush and Sean and Coulter hate him, they will rally the troops in the right wing, and to save face after trashing McCain they will "have an epiphany-" having some vision from God one night this summer about Hillary nominating Bill Clinton for the Supreme Court or floating a rumor Jimmy Carter is going to be her Secretary of State, and also John Edwards as her Attorney General because he gave her his delegates at the convention to deliver the knockout blow to Obama.
And then they'll ask the right to forgive McCain for campaign finance and his immigration poicy, they'll unite under the golden EIB microphone and vote for McCain in numbers similar to what was given Bush in 2004. Ann Coulter will excuse her "I'll vote for Hillary over McCain" statement after her next book, "How to fuck a Democrat with a strap-on" fails to sell with her disillusioned zombies who look to her to tell them which Republican is the holiest Christian to vote for.
Now I am a Republican, and a conservative, and all of you know I voted for Bush both times. But I am sick and tired of the games these "leaders" of the conservatives are playing.


Good conservatives want to end our dependance on foreign oil. Maybe not necessarily for the same reasons you freinds I have here on the board have due to your concerns over global warming, but since we have similar goals, I feel we can work together to fix this problem.

Good conservatives want as little intrusion into our personal lives as much as liberals do. Probably not for the same reasons, but again, I feel we can work together to make government as small as possible without hurting people who depend on it for what they need, whether it is healthcare, roads, or an effective military that will defend the country.

And on and on.

That is why Obama speaks to me. I believe he is serious about getting us rallied together so we can get ourselves off the foreign oil and the problems it comes with over top the price we pay monetarily. I believe him when he tells me he will defend the country from real threats to our lives, while at the same time restoring our reputation in the world so that the Islamo-Fascists will find it harder to recruit people who hate us. Less hatred of America, smaller pool to draw suicide bombers from.

I think it will be McCain. I hope it will be Obama.


"I'm Scott Hicks, and I approved this message"

[scottinnj]

I can't read all the scriptures these geniuses are citing but I looked up Romans 9:13 : "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." How do you get from there to "GOD HATES FAGS"?

And what about "FAG = ANAL SEX = (skull & crossbones)"? So if a guy has anal sex with his wife, does that make him a fag?

I know this post was from last year, but the skull and crossbones equals death. But wouldn't it be funny if they meant pirates?

AAAARGH! Anchor your dinghy in my porthole, matey!

[keithy_19]

I know this post was from last year, but the skull and crossbones equals death. But wouldn't it be funny if they meant pirates?

AAAARGH! Anchor your dinghy in my porthole, matey!

Butt Pirates? :huh:

[sailor]

AAAARGH! Anchor your dinghy in my porthole, matey!

that needs to be your mod quote.

[TeeBone]

'Tiger cage' might be the best nickname ever. Hopefully it sticks.

[Bulldogcakes]

The time is nigh!

Repent!

I'm sorry I mocked you Mojo.

I should have mocked Bulldogcakes!

http://homepage.mac.com/mjsmitho/OneOffs/NelsonHaHa.jpg

Ha! Ha!

Anybody else want to 'splain their predictions? (Click on one of the numbers in the votes column to see what you - and everybody else - predicted.)

Fred Thompson?

That must have been just before I entered rehab. That smack is a bitch, let me tell you.

[Bulldogcakes]

Well, I voted late, and for McCain.

Cheater. Stick your neck out early and make an ass of yourself like the rest of us did.

[K.C.]

Well, I had Edwards vs. Huckabee with a hedging my bets on a surprise Gore entrance into the race.


Yeah.....not so strong...

Although I'll give myself a little credit in the sense that I picked Huckabee back in May when he was polling less than 1%...I knew he would get some traction in this race.

And all things considered, Edwards did better than most people ever thought he would.

But 'doing well' isn't winning, so I suck.

[scottinnj]

that needs to be your mod quote.

Done and done. Thank you to whoever did it. Now my gaydi training is complete, so I need a young padawan to train.

[scottinnj]

Well, I had Edwards vs. Huckabee with a hedging my bets on a surprise Gore entrance into the race.


Yeah.....not so strong...

Although I'll give myself a little credit in the sense that I picked Huckabee back in May when he was polling less than 1%...I knew he would get some traction in this race.

And all things considered, Edwards did better than most people ever thought he would.

But 'doing well' isn't winning, so I suck.

You are actually one of the good analysts on this board. You are kind of like a weatherman. Hear me out on this.....5-10 days out from any particular primary, you are really spot on with the trends and polling data.

This thread started what, last summer? If I were you, I wouldn't be so hard on myself.