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DolaMight
05-06-2007, 11:52 AM
Sorry for the recycled Bill O'Reilly headline, but this is the 3rd article they've printed in the last 3 weeks trying to artificially incite another Imus incident. NYT now directly contacts show advertisers with the intent of having them pull their ads.

It's the ol dependable "Shock-Critic" Jacques Stienberg with another terribly written front page article, revealing that the NYT is taping every single minute of every talk show. No surprise there, but reading the article you just see the way they manipulate the reader by the way they quote the banter from all the shows. Inevitably in print there's no way to get across the humor, emphasis, and of course context. Jim Norton's line “Would it be possible, could you whistle ‘Singin’ in the Rain’ while I rape a girl?” came across as cruel, when in fact if you actually hear the audio it was a thoughtful and heartfelt plea for assistance.

Hypocritically the language printed in this article, intended to shock the reader and therefore sell more papers, is the same method "Shock-Jocks" use to sell radio.

100%Muscle reporting for www.ronfez.net




May 6, 2007
Shock Radio Plays Rough and Shrugs at Imus’s Fall
By JACQUES STEINBERG

Almost two weeks after CBS Radio fired Don Imus for his racially and sexually demeaning remarks about the Rutgers women’s basketball team, Nick Di Paolo opened his talk show on another CBS station in New York by mocking a manual that, he said, one of his bosses had given him that morning.

The booklet was entitled “Words Hurt and Harm” and, as described by Mr. Di Paolo, it urged him and his brethren to avoid the sort of stereotypes that had not only upended Mr. Imus but had also just gotten two colleagues on WFNY (92.3 FM) suspended for broadcasting a six-minute prank call littered with slurs to a Chinese restaurant.

“Right away, we’re starting with a false premise,” Mr. Di Paolo told his listeners on April 25, just after noon. “Because words don’t hurt.”

He then proceeded to refer to someone in the studio who was apparently of Colombian descent as “a drug dealer,” before using an exercise in the manual as a springboard to the following observations: that “enough” Native Americans drank to make them fair game for a joke; that waiters in Chinese restaurants were “efficient” and “better than most, you know, other ethnic groups as waiters and waitresses”; and that Jewish mothers were “bad cooks and a little hairy.”

The part of the radio spectrum where Mr. Di Paolo holds forth each day — shows in which commentary and entertainment fuse, sometimes under the rubric of a morning or afternoon “zoo” — remains as arguably and insidiously untamed in the days after Mr. Imus’s collapse as it was before, based on a New York Times screening of nearly 250 hours of shock-talk radio broadcast over the last week.

Gay men and lesbians, and women and Muslims, among others, were frequent targets of ridicule; coarse, sexually explicit banter, particularly descriptions of anal and oral sex, proliferated, much of it reminiscent of the routines that once drew Howard Stern heavy penalties; and meanness appeared to be a job prerequisite, whether a host was belittling someone who called in or the unwitting subject of a prank call.

In a sense, the hosts of these shows are juggling live grenades each day, putting the companies that broadcast and sponsor them at the greatest risk of collateral damage, particularly as the smoke clears from the Imus affair.

After being told of Mr. Di Paolo’s comments, for example, officials of the New York State Lottery said they had decided to discontinue all advertising on his show. They also said they would no longer sponsor “Opie and Anthony,” a morning show on the same station, after being apprised of a line uttered by a comedian who is a regular guest. “Would it be possible, could you whistle ‘Singin’ in the Rain’ while I rape a girl?” the comedian had asked another guest, a professional whistler, in an old interview replayed on April 25.

All told, The Times listened to a dozen prominent shows on so-called terrestrial radio for five weekdays in a row. Some, like “Mancow’s Morning Madhouse,” out of Chicago, and “El Vacilón de la Mañana,” a Spanish-language program originating in New York, draw tens of thousands of listeners each day on multiple stations across the country. Others tend to reach a more regional audience, including “The Jersey Guys,” an afternoon talk show that is among the most popular in New Jersey, and “Steve and D.C.,” which has similar reach in St. Louis.

In one respect, Mr. Imus and the hole he dug for himself were unique: a nationally syndicated radio host who interviewed the powerful used his bully pulpit, not just on radio but also on a cable news network, to make a racially charged aside about largely defenseless victims.

And yet, in the weeks after his firing, the nation’s AM and FM airwaves have continued to crackle with the kind of crude remarks, off-color bits and unfiltered rage that might well run afoul of the standards that Mr. Imus was said by his employers, and critics, to have violated.

One morning late last month, for example, Mancow, the syndicated talk show host whose real name is Erich Muller and whose audience was estimated at 1.5 million by Talkers magazine as recently as last fall, could be heard dismissing a caller as a “brain-dead fetus” and a “late-term abortion that somehow crawled out of the Dumpster” after the man’s phone connection gave out.

Mr. Muller — whose show is heard prominently on AM talk radio in South Florida (the station call letters are WMEN, a nod to its format), as well as in Houston, Indianapolis and San Francisco — also suggested on the same broadcast that “radical Muslims” would not stop until they had flattened American religion like a steamroller.

His children, he predicted, “will probably be killed because I’m bringing them up Catholic, and maybe their children will be brainwashed and put into some sort of situation where they’re wearing a burka and they follow Shia law, because that’s what these radicalized Muslims want.”

He also mused about several other matters, including, “I just wonder why we care so much about Virginia Tech kids.” He quickly qualified the remark by saying, “Don’t pull that out of context,” before indicating that soldiers killed in Iraq deserved comparable gestures of mourning.

And that was just one day’s show.

Asked about the appropriateness of that host’s remarks in a post-Imus world, a representative for the company syndicating the show — Talk Radio Network, which also distributes the hosts Michael Savage and Laura Ingraham — said he would pass on the question to the company’s chief executive, Mark Masters, and to the show’s producer. Neither responded.

Meanwhile, a representative for one of the show’s advertisers — the American Council on Education, an association of colleges — said that the group had been unaware that its spots promoting higher education had run on the show. The commercials are part of a public service campaign created and donated by the Ad Council, said Terry Hartle, a spokesman for the college group.

“We will certainly talk with the Ad Council about that particular placement,” Mr. Hartle said.

Still, no targets on such shows — which are overwhelmingly, though not exclusively, led by disaffected white men like Mr. Muller — are fired at with greater frequency than women.

Last Monday Mr. Di Paolo, a stand-up comic whose show on 92.3 “Free FM” in New York is heard by nearly 160,000 people each week (ranking it 27th in the market, according to Arbitron), proposed that homeless women be employed to monitor traffic.

“Go to the women’s shelter,” he said. “Get a bunch of chicks with black eyes and one tooth.”

On April 27, in an extended rant in support of Alec Baldwin’s right to lose his temper in private, he wondered about the last film role of the actor’s former wife, Kim Basinger. “What did she play?” Mr. Di Paolo asked. “An old tampon?”

Asked about the propriety of Mr. Di Paolo’s comments — especially in light of the action taken by CBS Radio against Mr. Imus and “J.V. and Elvis,” the hosts suspended over their prank against the Chinese restaurant — Karen Mateo, a spokeswoman for the company, declined to comment. Reached on Friday night, Mr. Di Paolo said he knew that in the current climate, his reluctance to filter his harshest opinions could ultimately cost him his show, which began on WFNY in December.

“It’s a risk I’m willing to take,” said Mr. Di Paolo, 45, who has been working as a comedian for nearly two decades. “It’s got to stop somewhere. And I’m hoping they say enough is enough — not as far as what I do, but as far as censoring people.”

He added, “At least with my show, I take shots at everybody.”

Across the Hudson River earlier in the week, the hosts of the “Jersey Guys” show on WKXW (101.5 FM) in Trenton, among the most popular in the state, were imagining the sex life of Gov. Jon S. Corzine.

Having decided a few days earlier that the governor’s girlfriend had surely cleared his hospital room to give him “a little servicing” after his car accident, they were now encouraging the governor, as he continued his recovery at his mansion, to find additional female companionship.

“I’d get bitches, wouldn’t you?” said Craig Carton, one of the hosts, on their April 30 program, which was simulcast live on the radio station’s Web site. “Poolside bitches ... with big leaves to fan the governor down after exhausting physical therapy, maybe a little massage.”

“That should be his new mantra,” Mr. Carton added. “I’m the governor, I’ve had a reawakening, I now believe everyone should have poolside bitches.”

Such talk was mild, though, when measured against what is offered every morning on Spanish-language radio, the Wild West of the medium.

Just as Mr. Imus’s show might have featured an interview with a presidential candidate followed by a bawdy imitation of Cardinal Edward M. Egan, “El Traketeo,” a morning show on an FM station owned by Univision in Miami (its title roughly translates as “the uproar” or “the hoax”) toggles between weighty discussion of matters like immigration and chatter that borders on the pornographic.

On April 26, for example, the show, heard by an estimated 142,000 listeners each week, broadcast a parody of a salsa song in which a man pleaded with his girlfriend for anal sex.

“I understand that you’re afraid,” he said. “Relax a little.”

A day later the show’s hosts conducted a phone interview about rising property taxes with Marco Rubio, a Republican from Miami who is speaker of the State House of Representatives. Sometime after Mr. Rubio hung up, the show broadcast another song parody, this one about a man whose life is being cramped by the taxes Mr. Rubio is trying to cut.

I had to have sex in a bus, the singer laments, because “I couldn’t afford the motel.”

Asked if Mr. Rubio had been aware of the shenanigans that are part of the show’s daily diet, a spokeswoman for him, Jill Chamberlin, said that he appreciated “the opportunity Univision has given him to get the cut-property-tax message out to the citizens.”

Whether the Federal Communications Commission or Congress will step up sanctions against radio programs after Mr. Imus’s firing remains unknown. The commission does not actively monitor such shows — it relies on listener complaints to initiate investigations — and even then, harsh or racy speech is often protected by the First Amendment.

Which is not to say that the F.C.C. is not paying attention: in 2004 the hosts of “El Vacilón de la Mañana,” a show that until recently originated in Miami on WXDJ FM, were fined $4,000 by the commission for broadcasting a prank call to Fidel Castro, who apparently thought he was speaking to Hugo Chávez; they have since left the station.

Emmis Communications, which had broadcast Mr. Muller’s show on its FM station in Chicago, let him go last summer, two years after it had agreed to pay $300,000 to settle indecency complaints against his show.

Still, employers may not wait for the government, choosing instead to apply their own standards, particularly if advertisers begin to object.

After Mr. Imus’s comments about the mostly black Rutgers team, the hosts on two predominantly black stations in New York — WQHT (97.1 FM) and WBLS (107.5) — have made references on their programs to the need to police themselves, and their callers, better.

Tarsha Nicole Jones, who as “Miss Jones” is host of a show on WQHT that reaches nearly 700,000 listeners a week, has taken to using “wenches” and “itches” as substitutes for harsher words, and she reprimanded a caller on Monday for using a common racial slur twice.

Later the show ran a stentorian public service announcement that said, “Due to new regulations regarding the use of language, the ‘Miss Jones Show’ has made the appropriate adjustments.”

Reporting was contributed by Terry Aguayo, Rebecca Cathcart, Bob Driehaus, Theo Emery, Ann Farmer, Malcolm Gay, Jon Hurdle, Carolyn Marshall, Lori Moore, Regan Morris, Colin Moynihan and Andrea Zarate.

Midkiff
05-06-2007, 12:46 PM
Fuck the Times.

Oh, your post is three hours long.

johnniewalker
05-06-2007, 12:59 PM
The article is complete shit, they quote an O and A line from 2002. "They also said they would no longer sponsor “Opie and Anthony,” a morning show on the same station, after being apprised of a line uttered by a comedian who is a regular guest. “Would it be possible, could you whistle ‘Singin’ in the Rain’ while I rape a girl?” the comedian had asked another guest, a professional whistler, in an old interview replayed on April 25."

Then they act like Mancow is still relevant. "Mr. Muller — whose show is heard prominently on AM talk radio in South Florida, as well as in Houston, Indianapolis and San Francisco." He's not even on in Houston yet, and the rest of those stations he's on aren't even getting ratings on the arbitron. I don't get why he's trying to press an issue like there is a huge mandate for it.

He wrote nearly the same article about 2 weeks ago in the wake of the imus firing. I don't know why we needed it redone.

torker
05-07-2007, 05:27 AM
After being told of Mr. Di Paolo’s comments, for example, officials of the New York State Lottery said they had decided to discontinue all advertising on his show.

Fuck the New York State Lottery. Support Mr. Di Paolo.

dickmango
05-07-2007, 08:01 AM
The NY Times is a rag, their correction page is longer than their sports section for goodness sake! This is just part of a bigger plan to get rid of conservative talk radio and they're willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. This highly trumpeted bastion of free speech actually loved the fact that Imus was fired, for using that very freedom! They're frauds, I say good day to you sirs!

JustJon
05-07-2007, 09:40 AM
next time, just link to the article and quote some highlights.

badmonkey
05-07-2007, 10:41 AM
Sorry for the recycled Bill O'Reilly headline, but this is the 3rd article they've printed in the last 3 weeks trying to artificially incite another Imus incident. NYT now directly contacts show advertisers with the intent of having them pull their ads.

It's the ol dependable "Shock-Critic" Jacques Stienberg with another terribly written front page article, revealing that the NYT is taping every single minute of every talk show.

Sweet! More listeners! Oh... not internet radio. Damn.

Badmonkey

King Hippos Bandaid
05-07-2007, 11:04 AM
The Times is a good Paper

It unfortunity has a Douchebag Department that is Anti Shock Radio


I only read their Sports Section Anyways

World and National News Sometimes

I have no desire to read Editorials and Some Jerk's Opinions

Just the News and Sports Thank you

:king:

AKA
05-07-2007, 11:12 AM
http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/ceiling_cat_god.jpg

johnniewalker
05-07-2007, 11:29 AM
The Times is a good Paper

It unfortunity has a Douchebag Department that is Anti Shock Radio


I only read their Sports Section Anyways

World and National News Sometimes

I have no desire to read Editorials and Some Jerk's Opinions

Just the News and Sports Thank you

:king:

That was my problem with it too, it is not under opinion. It's put off like a legitimate report on radio. It's so easy to spot an underlying agenda.

DolaMight
05-07-2007, 01:24 PM
That was my problem with it too, it is not under opinion. It's put off like a legitimate report on radio. It's so easy to spot an underlying agenda.

I agree I've been reading the NYT for years because I like their world reports and national news but at the same time I was always aware their editorial opinion often slips into the front page. Most often seen leading on the front page under the moniker "News Analysis" AKA opinion or often just like in this case promoting a page 99 worthy story to the front page because it fits with their agenda. I like to watch and read FOX news as well but all the time I'm aware they do the exact same thing on their website and network, just it leans the opposite way.

Anyways sorry for the long post I'm not all that up on board etiquette.

Here's what Jacques looks like: (Jimmy Norton's bow tie theory is correct)

http://www.the-gatekeepers.com/content/author/photo.jpg

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/09.26/photos/09-steinberg1-450.jpg

KnoxHarrington
05-07-2007, 02:09 PM
To me, the most hilarious part of the article is that for all of Mancow's pious and self-righteous attempts to say his show is more "elevated" than shock-jock swill, he's right in there with the rest of them.

Looks like the buddays escaped this one. For now.

Yerdaddy
05-18-2007, 05:01 AM
I figured you'd all have found this if you really thought the NYT is at "war" with talk radio. It's a NYT forum with at least a couple topics on O&A giving people a chance to express their opinions. This one is about you in particular: "Opie and Anthony Fans Bite Back" (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/opie-and-anthony-fans-bite-back/). I suggest you get over there and get biting.

FezPaul
05-18-2007, 05:56 AM
Bite me.

torker
05-18-2007, 06:02 AM
The old gray lady has an old gray cunt.

CofyCrakCocaine
05-18-2007, 11:30 AM
Two names: Jacques. Steinberg.

Great combo.

Who's surprised at his stance?

pennington
05-18-2007, 12:20 PM
The NYT subscriptions are down, readership is down, they're cutting costs across the board. Maybe this is their attempt to be relevent again and get some readers back.

Or maybe thy're dicks, I don't know...

johnniewalker
05-18-2007, 12:26 PM
Two names: Jacques. Steinberg.

Great combo.

Who's surprised at his stance?

I think it shocked wine critic Eric Asimov.

Snacks
05-18-2007, 02:28 PM
The NYT subscriptions are down, readership is down, they're cutting costs across the board. Maybe this is their attempt to be relevent again and get some readers back.

Or maybe thy're dicks, I don't know...

I think readership and subs are down everywhere. Who really reads the newspaper anymore other then people over 50? I havent purchased a paper in 3 years. I get all my news online or TV.

torker
05-18-2007, 02:32 PM
I think readership and subs are down everywhere. Who really reads the newspaper anymore other then people over 50? I havent purchased a paper in 3 years. I get all my news online or TV.
I get it for free at work. The majority of the sizable stack of papers is left untaken.

Aqualad
05-18-2007, 02:58 PM
Worrrrrrrrds hurrrrt.

Snacks
05-18-2007, 09:56 PM
Worrrrrrrrds hurrrrt.

sticks and stones make break my bones but names will never hurt me!!!

Whatever happened to that saying and how about people actually living by it???

torker
05-20-2007, 03:58 PM
New York Daily News Loser of the Week:
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/23037008.jpg

lleeder
05-20-2007, 04:00 PM
New York Daily News Loser of the Week:
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/23037008.jpg

Is that seriously in the paper? It must be fun yet anger inducing to acheive that title.

torker
05-30-2007, 08:54 AM
Among the casualties of the format change are Nick Di Paolo, a stand-up comic whose show was heard in the early afternoons; Leslie Gold, a nighttime host who bills herself as “the radio chick;” and two other hosts known as Ron and Fez.

By JACQUES STEINBERGhttp://www.pbs.org/merrow/tmr_radio/pgm15/steinberg.jpg
Published: May 25, 2007 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/25/nyregion/25radio.html)

I don't know if Jacques is being dismissive or it's just part of the enigma that is Ron & Fez.

Death Metal Moe
05-30-2007, 09:04 AM
He's a know nothing piece of garbage.